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Sockinchisox
01-07-2010, 01:22 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/athletics/index

Meanwhile the Rangers have offered Vlad a one-year deal worth 7 mil.

KenBerryGrab
01-07-2010, 01:25 PM
Cust and the A's deserve each other.

pythons007
01-07-2010, 01:31 PM
Thank god we can all stop talking about Cust becoming a White Sox!

DirtySox
01-07-2010, 01:48 PM
The list of DH candidates is getting shorter.

TDog
01-07-2010, 01:59 PM
The list of DH candidates is getting shorter.

I don't believe it did. I seriously doubt that anyone on the White Sox had Cust on a list of potential DHs.

KenBerryGrab is right. Cust and the A's do deserve each other, and Cust apparently is taking a pay cut to stay with the A's. I'm guessing that no other major league team offered him anything more than a minor league contract with incentives.

NLaloosh
01-07-2010, 02:09 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/athletics/index

Meanwhile the Rangers have offered Vlad a one-year deal worth 7 mil.

Vlad will be worth every penny of that.

Craig Grebeck
01-07-2010, 02:10 PM
Vlad will be worth every penny of that.
Yeah, he's looked awesome lately.

Ick.

oeo
01-07-2010, 02:58 PM
The list of DH candidates is getting shorter.

I think the way the roster currently stands is a better option than Cust. There's a reason he couldn't catch on anywhere else and will now share DH duties with another bad player.

veeter
01-07-2010, 03:40 PM
Vlad will be worth every penny of that.He's not the player he once was, but I'd love to see what he could do at the Cell for a season.

LoveYourSuit
01-07-2010, 04:13 PM
Yeah, he's looked awesome lately.

Ick.


If we end up with a platoon of Jones and Kotsay, everyone would be wishing we made an attempt to get a guy like Vlad.

jabrch
01-07-2010, 04:27 PM
Cust and the A's deserve each other.

Absolutely!

cards press box
01-07-2010, 04:29 PM
If Johnny Damon does not get a multi-year deal anywhere, would the Sox offer him a one year deal in the 6-7 million dollar range? Does KW have that kind of financial flexibility? If he does (and if Damon and the Sox can work something out), Damon at DH and sometimes LF would make a fine #2 hitter in between Juan Pierre and Gordon Beckham. How about this lineup?

Pierre LF
Damon DH
Beckham 2B
Konerko 1B
Quentin RF
Pierzynski C
Rios CF
Teahan 3B
A. Ramirez SS

Jimmy Piersall
01-07-2010, 04:48 PM
If we end up with a platoon of Jones and Kotsay, everyone would be wishing we made an attempt to get a guy like Vlad.

Exactly right.Those two guys should be bench/depth guys only.KW ought to be selling Vlad on hitting at the Cell.Hell,that shouldn't take much selling in the first place.Get it done Kenny.

KenBerryGrab
01-07-2010, 06:23 PM
Vladdy that affordable would be a punched ticket aboard the summer fun express.

cws05champ
01-07-2010, 06:32 PM
Thank god we can all stop talking about Cust becoming a White Sox!

+1

And the Dominos are falling after the Bay and Holliday signings.

khan
01-08-2010, 10:28 AM
If Johnny Damon does not get a multi-year deal anywhere, would the Sox offer him a one year deal in the 6-7 million dollar range?
1. Boras client.
2. He wants roughly double that.
3. He doesn't provide what this team needs.
4. Therefore, he'd be a waste of 6-7 million.

Does KW have that kind of financial flexibility? If he does (and if Damon and the Sox can work something out), Damon at DH and sometimes LF would make a fine #2 hitter in between Juan Pierre and Gordon Beckham.
Sure. Now, where is the proven #4 or #5 hitter? Where is the LH power? For that matter, where is the proven power of ANY variety in this team? Do you REALLY want to count on Quentin staying healthy? Do you REALLY think Konerko won't go into another 2-4 month slump? Getting a "fine #2 hitter" won't make this team into a winner.


How about this lineup?

Pierre LF
Damon DH
Beckham 2B
Konerko 1B
Quentin RF
Pierzynski C
Rios CF
Teahan 3B
A. Ramirez SS
That lineup is so middlingly weak that the offense would suck as a result. Where is the power? Where are the run producers? Again, Minnesota has 4 hitters of .850 OPS or better. That lineup has MAYBE 1, IF Konerko doesn't go into a 4 month slump, and POSSIBLY a 2nd, IF Quentin doesn't get hurt. Again.

Johnny Damon is NOT what this team needs. For 6 or 7 million, why wouldn't they have gone for a REAL DH like Matsui, or [MAYBE] Vlad? Johnny Damon would be a more expensive route to 2nd place in the Central.

cards press box
01-08-2010, 06:06 PM
1. Boras client.
2. He wants roughly double that.
3. He doesn't provide what this team needs.
4. Therefore, he'd be a waste of 6-7 million.


Boras client or not, Johnny Damon has apparently not convinced any teams to give him a multi-year deal. By all accounts, Vlad Guerrero wants a multi-year deal and no team has offered him one, either. What's more, the market for Damon is not anywhere near $13 million annually. If Guerrero's best offer is 1 year/$5 million from Texas, then the actual market for Damon (unless Boras convinces some owenr to do something crazy and that is unlikely in this market) might be around $4 million annually.

If the Sox could get Damon at $3 to 4 million, it would be a good deal and, as discussed below, he would help the Sox.



Pierre LF
Damon DH
Beckham 2B
Konerko 1B
Quentin RF
Pierzynski C
Rios CF
Teahan 3B
A. Ramirez SS

That lineup is so middlingly weak that the offense would suck as a result. Where is the power? Where are the run producers? Again, Minnesota has 4 hitters of .850 OPS or better. That lineup has MAYBE 1, IF Konerko doesn't go into a 4 month slump, and POSSIBLY a 2nd, IF Quentin doesn't get hurt. Again.

Johnny Damon is NOT what this team needs. For 6 or 7 million, why wouldn't they have gone for a REAL DH like Matsui, or [MAYBE] Vlad? Johnny Damon would be a more expensive route to 2nd place in the Central.

By my reckoning, that starting lineup (other than Pierre) would, at a minimum, hit around 160 homeruns. Damon would hit at least 15 playing half of his games at the Cell. Beckham and Ramirez would hit around 20 each. Conservatively, Konerko would hit at least 25 and Quentin would hit at least 30. I would pencil in AJ for 15, Rios for at least 20 and Teahan for at least 15. That adds up to 160 on the low end and does not count what additional power the bench (which has improved) would provide.

Let's say the Sox ended up hitting around 170-180 homers and, with the additional speed that Pierre, Damon and Rios add to the lineup, the Sox finish among the league leaders in stolen bases. What the Sox would have -- particularly with a top three of Pierre, Damon and Beckham -- is a balance of speed and power on offense. That is exactly what the Sox had in 2005 and, as a rule, balanced offenses are a lot harder to shut down. That starting lineup (plus the current Sox bench) would be good offensively.



Sure. Now, where is the proven #4 or #5 hitter? Where is the LH power? For that matter, where is the proven power of ANY variety in this team? Do you REALLY want to count on Quentin staying healthy? Do you REALLY think Konerko won't go into another 2-4 month slump? Getting a "fine #2 hitter" won't make this team into a winner.

But for his freak injury against Cleveland, Quentin would have been the AL Most Valuable Player in 2008. He is a proven power hitter and Paul Konerko certainly is as well. Rios has a track record of hitting for power that is better than some people think. It is true that this lineup doesn't have a lot of lefty power but it has some in Damon, AJ and Teahan. Kotsay is a good lefty pinch hitter off the bench. In any event, the lineup with Damon has five righty hitters and four lefties and, in that sense, is balanced.

MISoxfan
01-09-2010, 02:08 PM
1. Boras client.
2. He wants roughly double that.
3. He doesn't provide what this team needs.
4. Therefore, he'd be a waste of 6-7 million.


Sure. Now, where is the proven #4 or #5 hitter? Where is the LH power? For that matter, where is the proven power of ANY variety in this team? Do you REALLY want to count on Quentin staying healthy? Do you REALLY think Konerko won't go into another 2-4 month slump? Getting a "fine #2 hitter" won't make this team into a winner.



That lineup is so middlingly weak that the offense would suck as a result. Where is the power? Where are the run producers? Again, Minnesota has 4 hitters of .850 OPS or better. That lineup has MAYBE 1, IF Konerko doesn't go into a 4 month slump, and POSSIBLY a 2nd, IF Quentin doesn't get hurt. Again.

Johnny Damon is NOT what this team needs. For 6 or 7 million, why wouldn't they have gone for a REAL DH like Matsui, or [MAYBE] Vlad? Johnny Damon would be a more expensive route to 2nd place in the Central.

Johnny Damon had an OPS of .854 last year and has averaged .821 over the last 4 seasons.