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cws05champ
12-22-2009, 08:53 AM
The Yankees will acquire Vazquez and Boone Logan for Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn and a prospect.

The same package we sent to Atlanta last year.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/yankees-after-starting-pitcher.html

soxfanatlanta
12-22-2009, 09:00 AM
Oh my. :o:

They got rid of the wrong pitcher.

TheOldRoman
12-22-2009, 09:03 AM
I thought Cashman couldn't wait to unload Vazquez last time because he was a mental midget who couldn't handle the spotlight of NY? Has his last several years of up and down made him tough enough now? Aside from that, I thought Vazquez hated it there?

I guess it is easy to be a moron as long as you have an infinite payroll. At least Cashman wins, though. *cough*JimHendry*cough*

TheOldRoman
12-22-2009, 09:04 AM
Oh my. :o:

They got rid of the wrong pitcher.I know, Logan is on the brink of stardom. Seriously, though, how much are the Braves regretting the Lowe deal now?

doublem23
12-22-2009, 09:19 AM
I wish we cut out the middle man and just ended up with Melky ourselves.

SoxGirl4Life
12-22-2009, 09:22 AM
I thought Cashman couldn't wait to unload Vazquez last time because he was a mental midget who couldn't handle the spotlight of NY? Has his last several years of up and down made him tough enough now? Aside from that, I thought Vazquez hated it there?

I guess it is easy to be a moron as long as you have an infinite payroll. At least Cashman wins, though. *cough*JimHendry*cough*



My thoughts exactly. And Logan wasn't the toughest cookie in the box, either.

pythons007
12-22-2009, 09:25 AM
I know, Logan is on the brink of stardom. Seriously, though, how much are the Braves regretting the Lowe deal now?

So wait now Vazquez is back with the Yankees? Didn't he hate it there? I mean with their rotation he is an awesome 5th starter.

Fenway
12-22-2009, 09:25 AM
Vazquez had the misfortune of trying to clean up the mess that Kevin Brown made in Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS and gave up a grand slam on his first pitch.

Expos writer told me back then he can't handle pressure.

I thought Cashman couldn't wait to unload Vazquez last time because he was a mental midget who couldn't handle the spotlight of NY? Has his last several years of up and down made him tough enough now? Aside from that, I thought Vazquez hated it there?

I guess it is easy to be a moron as long as you have an infinite payroll. At least Cashman wins, though. *cough*JimHendry*cough*

dickallen15
12-22-2009, 09:32 AM
So wait now Vazquez is back with the Yankees? Didn't he hate it there? I mean with their rotation he is an awesome 5th starter.

Its deja vu all over again.

Sargeant79
12-22-2009, 09:33 AM
I wish we cut out the middle man and just ended up with Melky ourselves.

I think we're going to be better off with Flowers in the long run over Cabrera, even if that means he is traded for another valuable piece. And remember, we got other prospects too...Santos Rodriguez is a 21 year old hard throwing lefty that struck out 50 batters in about 31 innings last year, albeit in the low levels of the minors.

As for Vazquez, he may strike out a ton of guys again, but watch his ERA balloon to around 5.00 now that he's back in the AL.

DirtySox
12-22-2009, 09:48 AM
Vizcaino is a nice piece, but he is very far away.

doublem23
12-22-2009, 09:48 AM
I think we're going to be better off with Flowers in the long run over Cabrera, even if that means he is traded for another valuable piece. And remember, we got other prospects too...Santos Rodriguez is a 21 year old hard throwing lefty that struck out 50 batters in about 31 innings last year, albeit in the low levels of the minors.

As for Vazquez, he may strike out a ton of guys again, but watch his ERA balloon to around 5.00 now that he's back in the AL.

Flowers may turn out all right, but I really like Cabrera... Only 24 years old last year in 2009; .274/.336/.416 and getting better. He's a real special player.

I like Flowers a lot though.

jabrch
12-22-2009, 09:48 AM
I wish we cut out the middle man and just ended up with Melky ourselves.


You'd rather have Melky Cabrerra than Tyler Flowers? Melky plays OK CF and has a career .269/.331/.385 line in the Yanks lineup. He's got 8-12 HR and 8-12 SB type pop/speed.

We also got Santos Rodriguez, John Gilmore and Lillibridge in that deal - for whatever little it is worth.

Javy had a great year last year. I'd rather have him back than have Melky. And for those who like to look at post season stats (I don't) Melky has 67 very unimpressive post season ABs.

jabrch
12-22-2009, 09:50 AM
Flowers may turn out all right, but I really like Cabrera... Only 24 years old last year in 2009; .274/.336/.416 and getting better. He's a real special player.

Wow...real special? I'm surprised you are so high on him. I don't see the improvement and I don't see what's so special. OK D, marginal speed, limited power... not a great OBP/AVG.

soxinem1
12-22-2009, 09:54 AM
So wait now Vazquez is back with the Yankees? Didn't he hate it there? I mean with their rotation he is an awesome 5th starter.

I've heard that statement somewhere before.....:scratch:

doublem23
12-22-2009, 09:55 AM
You'd rather have Melky Cabrerra than Tyler Flowers? Melky plays OK CF and has a career .269/.331/.385 line in the Yanks lineup. He's got 8-12 HR and 8-12 SB type pop/speed.

We also got Santos Rodriguez, John Gilmore and Lillibridge in that deal - for whatever little it is worth.

Javy had a great year last year. I'd rather have him back than have Melky. And for those who like to look at post season stats (I don't) Melky has 67 very unimpressive post season ABs.

Cabrera's career line is dragged down by his stinker of a season in 2008, but other than that his career path his been on a solid upswing. He's also less than 1 1/2 years older than Flowers and has 2,218 more PAs in the Majors.

If the tables were turned, and we had Cabrera and Flowers was going to the Yankees, you'd be singing Melky's praises and trashing Tyler.

thedudeabides
12-22-2009, 09:55 AM
Flowers may turn out all right, but I really like Cabrera... Only 24 years old last year in 2009; .274/.336/.416 and getting better. He's a real special player.

I like Flowers a lot though.

I have to disagree, I really wouldn't call him a special player. If he wasn't so young I would say he is on his way to being a fourth outfielder, and he's not a particularly good fielder.

I would take the package the Sox got over this. Flowers has a chance to be a special player. I think his upside is much better than Melky's.

Edit: I also forgot to add that he was a super two, so he is going to be due around $3-4 million this year and can become a free agent in two years. I don't really get this deal for Atlanta, at all.

soxinem1
12-22-2009, 10:07 AM
I have to disagree, I really wouldn't call him a special player. If he wasn't so young I would say he is on his way to being a fourth outfielder, and he's not a particularly good fielder.

I would take the package the Sox got over this. Flowers has a chance to be a special player. I think his upside is much better than Melky's.

Edit: I also forgot to add that he was a super two, so he is going to be due around $3-4 million this year and can become a free agent in two years. I don't really get this deal for Atlanta, at all.

I don't either, unless it was a straight salary dump. Even then..........

The kicker is, there is PLENTY of time left in the off-season. I'm sure that LAA, LAD, NYY, NYM, and even WAS, among others, would have given them something decent for Lowe, or more for Vazquez.

After all, it is still two months until ST. Why the rush??

Here's hoping that Vazquez 'helps' this defending World Series Champion as much as the last one he pitched for!http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon14.gif

CPditka
12-22-2009, 10:39 AM
In case anyone else was wondering:

'03
New York Yankees (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/New_York_Yankees) acquired Vázquez from the Expos in exchange for Nick Johnson (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Nick_Johnson), Juan Rivera (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Juan_Rivera_(baseball_player)) and Randy Choate (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Randy_Choate)

'05
the Yankees sent Vazquez, Brad Halsey (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Brad_Halsey), and Dioner Navarro (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Dioner_Navarro), to the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for Randy Johnson (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Randy_Johnson)

'05
Vazquez was traded to the Chicago White Sox for Orlando Hernández (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Orlando_Hern%C3%A1ndez), Luis Vizcaino (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Luis_Vizcaino), and highly regarded prospect Chris Young (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Chris_Young_(outfielder)).

'08
Vázquez was traded, along with Boone Logan (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Boone_Logan), to the Atlanta Braves (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Atlanta_Braves) for minor league catcher Tyler Flowers (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Tyler_Flowers), shortstop Brent Lillibridge (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Brent_Lillibridge), third baseman Jon Gilmore and pitcher Santos Rodriguez

'09
New York Yankees (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/New_York_Yankees) reacquire Vázquez from the Braves with Boone Logan (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Boone_Logan) in exchange for Melky Cabrera (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Melky_Cabrera), Mike Dunn (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Michael_Dunn_(baseball)) and Arodys Vizcaino (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/wiki/Arodys_Vizcaino)


...his real estate agent must love him.

The Immigrant
12-22-2009, 10:50 AM
This just further demonstrates the value of a full no trade clause. Why any marquee free agent would sign a deal without one is beyond me.

Johnny Mostil
12-22-2009, 10:58 AM
From a Yankee fan friend to whom I sent the news and whose holiday I really didn't mean to ruin: "You’re ****ing kidding me. You’ve got to be ****ing kidding me. Get rid of Johnny Damon, who hit the first pitch grand slam off Vazquez, and bring back Vazquez?" Um, yes.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
12-22-2009, 11:05 AM
Two of the most timid pitchers in the league going to where the spotlight burns the brightest?

Yeah, that'll work out well. Especially since both Javy and the Yankees couldn't wait to be rid of each other the first time around.

102605
12-22-2009, 11:08 AM
Vazquez is going to completely meltdown in NY again. He was a perfect fit for Atlanta.

DSpivack
12-22-2009, 11:10 AM
The best of trades turn out well for both teams.

I don't see this as a good trade for either team.

jabrch
12-22-2009, 11:24 AM
Cabrera's career line is dragged down by his stinker of a season in 2008, but other than that his career path his been on a solid upswing. He's also less than 1 1/2 years older than Flowers and has 2,218 more PAs in the Majors.

If the tables were turned, and we had Cabrera and Flowers was going to the Yankees, you'd be singing Melky's praises and trashing Tyler.


I am not praising Tyler at all - he hasn't done anything yet to praise. I just don't see anything in Melky that leads me to believe he is much more than a below average CF.

I don't see the solid upswing...His best season was his rookie season when he hit .280/.360/391. Even if you exclude the stinker, His other two seasons were about .275/.330/.400 with no better than average defensive work. If you exclude his stinker, his line is definitely on a solid downswing from his Rookie year.

If I had my druthers, I'd rather have Javy than Flowers or Melky. I didn't like trading Javy from the beginning - but we had to uload salary. So if that was required, I'd rather get guys with upside than a guy who has looked mediocre at best in his last 3 years.

You may be right - I may be crazy. But Melky Cabrerra? For Javy? Players with large pricetags just don't seem to be of much value these days. I'd much rather have Javy.

Chez
12-22-2009, 11:32 AM
The Yankees bullpen now has both Boone Logan AND Damaso Marte. I see NYY making a move to add Andrew Sisco

doublem23
12-22-2009, 11:34 AM
The Yankees bullpen now has both Boone Logan AND Damaso Marte. I see NYY making a move to add Andrew Sisco

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/baseball/mlb/players/6666.jpg
I'm available, too, guys!!!

russ99
12-22-2009, 11:35 AM
I wish we cut out the middle man and just ended up with Melky ourselves.

But Kenny didn't want a CF in the Yankees or Braves deals last year because "we have options in-house".

How wonderful that turned out... But at least that got him to move in on Rios, who I'd take over Melky Cabrera any day, even with his bad season last year.

PaleHoser
12-22-2009, 11:43 AM
i wish we cut out the middle man and just ended up with melky ourselves.

+1

doublem23
12-22-2009, 11:52 AM
How wonderful that turned out... But at least that got him to move in on Rios, who I'd take over Melky Cabrera any day, even with his bad season last year.

Rios > Cabrera on the field, for sure, but I don't know if I'd take Rios over Cabrera plus the $60 million we owe Alex over until 2014.

Anyways, I guess the wild card I'm not thinking about is if we acquired Melky last year, he'd be subject to the idiotic hitting coaching staff we have here, so he'd probably have flamed out already. So I guess it was a prudent non-move.

Zisk77
12-22-2009, 12:04 PM
I am not praising Tyler at all - he hasn't done anything yet to praise. I just don't see anything in Melky that leads me to believe he is much more than a below average CF.

I don't see the solid upswing...His best season was his rookie season when he hit .280/.360/391. Even if you exclude the stinker, His other two seasons were about .275/.330/.400 with no better than average defensive work. If you exclude his stinker, his line is definitely on a solid downswing from his Rookie year.

If I had my druthers, I'd rather have Javy than Flowers or Melky. I didn't like trading Javy from the beginning - but we had to uload salary. So if that was required, I'd rather get guys with upside than a guy who has looked mediocre at best in his last 3 years.

You may be right - I may be crazy. But Melky Cabrerra? For Javy? Players with large pricetags just don't seem to be of much value these days. I'd much rather have Javy.

Not only can you have your druthers, but you can have mine too, for whatever they are. Goofy word.:redneck

johnnyg83
12-22-2009, 12:10 PM
Javy could struggle mightily in those small HR-friendly confines of the New Yankee stadium. Seems like a consummate great NL pitcher/decent to OK AL pitcher.

*Sorry I put the words "friendly" and "confines" nest to each other.

thomas35forever
12-22-2009, 12:18 PM
I don't have much hope for either pitcher the Yankees got, but they'll just be small blips on the radar when the Yankees repeat as champions.

chunk
12-22-2009, 12:24 PM
He might have a bit of an increase going into the homer friendly Yankee Stadium, but I can't believe they just picked up one of the best pitchers in the NL last year for spare parts. What's even worse is the Braves already have McLouth, Schafer, Diaz, and Heyward (soon) who are all at least equal to Melky. The trade doesn't make much sense.

Corlose 15
12-22-2009, 12:34 PM
I'll bet that Vazquez's numbers this year with the Yankees are closer to his '08 season with the Sox than last year with Atlanta. A mid 4 era, with 200 IP and 200K. Solid but unspectacular. He'll be **** in the playoffs though, but the Yankees may not need him by then since they got by with 3 pitchers this year.

I think the key to their rotation is Pettite. If he stays healthy and Vazquez is able to stay in the 4 spot, they'll be very good. If Pettite breaks down and Vazquez has to move up it could get interesting.

Rdy2PlayBall
12-22-2009, 12:51 PM
I'm starting to hate the Yankees more and more. They ruin baseball.

NardiWasHere
12-22-2009, 01:11 PM
I'm starting to hate the Yankees more and more. They ruin baseball.

Trading for Javier Vazquez ruins baseball?

CPditka
12-22-2009, 01:28 PM
What does this mean for Jayson Heyward? I thought he was going to get his shot this year...

Fenway
12-22-2009, 01:34 PM
Only in Boston

NewsCenter 5 just updated Facebook status

WCVB Channel 5 Boston

Yankees trade OF Melky Cabrera to Atlanta for pitcher Javier Vazquez. The move brings Vazquez back to the Bronx... you might remember Javy gave up a first-pitch grand-slam to Johnny Damon in the 7th Game of the 2004 ALCS. Welcome back Javy!*-*52 seconds ago

DaveFeelsRight
12-22-2009, 01:36 PM
didn't vazquez stink up the 2004 alcs for the yanks? i expect the same this year.

DumpJerry
12-22-2009, 01:45 PM
I'll bet that Vazquez's numbers this year with the Yankees are closer to his '08 season with the Sox than last year with Atlanta. A mid 4 era, with 200 IP and 200K. Solid but unspectacular. He'll be **** in the playoffs though, but the Yankees may not need him by then since they got by with 3 pitchers this year.

Can't happen in 2010. They tightened up the schedule so there won't be enough off days to rest up a three man rotation.

I'm starting to hate the Yankees more and more. They ruin baseball.
Yeah, when the Yankees make trades, it ruins baseball. When the White Sox make a trade, it (according to some WSIers) ruins the White Sox.

oeo
12-22-2009, 01:47 PM
The Yankees have gotten duped on Vazquez twice now. :lol: Let's hope he didn't hurt himself on that fall back to Earth.

Flowers may turn out all right, but I really like Cabrera... Only 24 years old last year in 2009; .274/.336/.416 and getting better. He's a real special player.

He's okay, not 'real special.' He'll probably be worse out of that Yankees lineup.

I've heard that statement somewhere before.....:scratch:

And he was pretty good that year. Too bad the rest of the rotation/bullpen was not.

However, who is ahead of Vazquez in the Yankees rotation that makes him the fifth starter? CC and Burnett, the rest is kind of questionable, including Pettitte.

tstrike2000
12-22-2009, 04:05 PM
2010 will be the return of 200 K, 4.50 ERA, 5.2 inn Vazquez.

JB98
12-22-2009, 05:13 PM
didn't vazquez stink up the 2004 alcs for the yanks? i expect the same this year.

That was my initial reaction. Vazquez was a bust his first time through New York. I'm surprised they wanted him again, although this time he'll be there as a back-of-the-rotation pitcher. That might make a difference for him. Nevertheless, I don't expect him to pitch as effectively for the Yankees as he did for the Braves.

cards press box
12-22-2009, 05:36 PM
I don't have much hope for either pitcher the Yankees got, but they'll just be small blips on the radar when the Yankees repeat as champions.

No, that is not going to happen because the White Sox will take the AL flag in 2010.

guillensdisciple
12-22-2009, 05:36 PM
He is going to be the reason the Yankees DON'T win a world series next year.

JermaineDye05
12-22-2009, 05:45 PM
No, that is not going to happen because the White Sox will take the AL flag in 2010.

Our odds are only better now because we won't have to face Melky "Cycle" Cabrera in the LCS.

soxfanreggie
12-22-2009, 06:25 PM
I don't blame Vazquez one bit for wanting to go back to New York, as he will have probably the best shot at winning a World Series - there with the Yankees, maybe with the Phillies.

soltrain21
12-22-2009, 11:44 PM
Cashman said he tried to get Javy after 2008 from the Sox but they, "didn't match up."

Uh. I would have taken Melky.

chunk
12-23-2009, 12:08 AM
Cashman said he tried to get Javy after 2008 from the Sox but they, "didn't match up."

Uh. I would have taken Melky.

Why?

StillMissOzzie
12-23-2009, 01:08 AM
Two of the most timid pitchers in the league going to where the spotlight burns the brightest?

Yeah, that'll work out well. Especially since both Javy and the Yankees couldn't wait to be rid of each other the first time around.

Vazquez is going to completely meltdown in NY again. He was a perfect fit for Atlanta.

That's how I feel too. The only saving grace for Javy may ne that he's slotted as a #5 starter, instead of the #2 slot the Sox were paying him for. Expectations and pressure should be down substantially. We can also hope that the Bronx faithful don't let him forget that 1st pitch grand slam, should he stumble out of the gate next year.

SMO
:gulp:

JohnTucker0814
12-23-2009, 01:11 AM
That's how I feel too. The only saving grace for Javy may ne that he's slotted as a #5 starter, instead of the #2 slot the Sox were paying him for. Expectations and pressure should be down substantially. We can also hope that the Bronx faithful don't let him forget that 1st pitch grand slam, should he stumble out of the gate next year.

SMO
:gulp:

I don't understand why having him slotted as a #5 starter is going to bring expectations and pressure down? Once the season starts the fans want every player to be their best. They aren't going to accept that the Yankees might lose every 5th game. If he isn't having a successful year, regardless if he's the #5, #2, middle relief, mop up duty... the Yankee fans will be all over him!

JohnTucker0814
12-23-2009, 01:12 AM
Cashman said he tried to get Javy after 2008 from the Sox but they, "didn't match up."

Uh. I would have taken Melky.

I think that Vizcaino pitching prospect is probably the better player that Atlanta got. Melky is a servicable player, but no potential to be an All-Star.

VMSNS
12-23-2009, 01:25 AM
I was flipping through the channels and caught SportsCenter tonight, and they seemed to really love the trade. Wow, what a surprise.

Javy should stay in the NL.

Rdy2PlayBall
12-23-2009, 02:29 AM
Trading for Javier Vazquez ruins baseball?No, but the way they SPEND SPEND SPEND, and then throw away good back-up players for other teams full-time players makes me mad. What they do every year isn't magical, it's predictable and corrupt.

ChiTownTrojan
12-23-2009, 06:44 AM
I don't understand why having him slotted as a #5 starter is going to bring expectations and pressure down? Once the season starts the fans want every player to be their best. They aren't going to accept that the Yankees might lose every 5th game. If he isn't having a successful year, regardless if he's the #5, #2, middle relief, mop up duty... the Yankee fans will be all over him!

You don't have different expectations for Jake Peavy than you do for Freddy Garcia? If Peavy put up an ERA around 4 this year, we'd all be disappointed. If Freddy did the same, we'd be ecstatic.

ChiTownTrojan
12-23-2009, 07:05 AM
I think that Vizcaino pitching prospect is probably the better player that Atlanta got. Melky is a servicable player, but no potential to be an All-Star.

I agree, Vizcaino is the centerpiece. Even so, prospects don't always work out, especially prospects as young as him. Vazquez, despite his inconsistency with us, was very good last year, one of the best pitchers in the NL. There's no reason to think he couldn't do that again next year. For the sake of Braves fans, I hope they use the money saved in this deal to add something to the offense, otherwise they just gave up the chance to have a sick rotation (Hudson, Hanson, Vazquez) for a prospect.

cws05champ
12-23-2009, 07:32 AM
I agree, Vizcaino is the centerpiece. Even so, prospects don't always work out, especially prospects as young as him. Vazquez, despite his inconsistency with us, was very good last year, one of the best pitchers in the NL. There's no reason to think he couldn't do that again next year. For the sake of Braves fans, I hope they use the money saved in this deal to add something to the offense, otherwise they just gave up the chance to have a sick rotation (Hudson, Hanson, Vazquez) for a prospect.
They still have a great rotation with Hanson, Jurrjens, Hudson, Lowe. Vazquez had a career year, and that's why I think people are surprised they got such little in return. You never know, with Atlanta Vizcaino may blossom into a dominant pitcher too.

soltrain21
12-23-2009, 10:10 AM
No, but the way they SPEND SPEND SPEND, and then throw away good back-up players for other teams full-time players makes me mad. What they do every year isn't magical, it's predictable and corrupt.

How is it corrupt?

PaleHoser
12-23-2009, 10:12 AM
Cashman said he tried to get Javy after 2008 from the Sox but they, "didn't match up."

Uh. I would have taken Melky.

Agreed, but they didn't match up last year and still wouldn't if the Yankees don't trade for Curtis Granderson. If they don't get Granderson they aren't in the position to move Cabrera.

Although Cabrera isn't an All-Star, he can at least play center field and would have been better than any other option the Sox had going into last season. If the Sox had Cabrera chances are that Rios wouldn't be and there would be budget money to add a run-producing corner outfielder. Timing is everything.

soxfanreggie
12-23-2009, 10:35 AM
No, but the way they SPEND SPEND SPEND, and then throw away good back-up players for other teams full-time players makes me mad. What they do every year isn't magical, it's predictable and corrupt.

Can't any team do this? Sure you have to have an owner willing to put his own money into the team to do it until the team is self-sufficient, but you can't be mad at an owner who lets his team have a much higher payroll. The other owners seem to have no problem the league's luxury tax windfall (to the MLB Industry Growth Fund) either. If I was a billionaire owner, I would certainly have a big payroll. That doesn't mean it would be in Yankees territory, but it would still be sizable.

dickallen15
12-23-2009, 10:41 AM
No, but the way they SPEND SPEND SPEND, and then throw away good back-up players for other teams full-time players makes me mad. What they do every year isn't magical, it's predictable and corrupt.
Would you rather they pocket the money?

jabrch
12-23-2009, 06:43 PM
Cashman said he tried to get Javy after 2008 from the Sox but they, "didn't match up."


Uh. I would have taken Melky.

Need a guy with an OK average who plays OK D and has no power and limited speed? Melky's your man. He's eligible for arbitration next year - so soon you will actually have to pay a bunch of money for him as well...

Delicious!

I'd much rather have Javy Vazquez back.

SOXSINCE'70
12-23-2009, 07:12 PM
He is going to be the reason the Yankees DON'T win a world series next year.

He might also be the reason the White Sox or Mariners have a better chance of advancing in the post season.:cool:

Craig Grebeck
12-24-2009, 06:47 AM
Agreed, but they didn't match up last year and still wouldn't if the Yankees don't trade for Curtis Granderson. If they don't get Granderson they aren't in the position to move Cabrera.

Although Cabrera isn't an All-Star, he can at least play center field and would have been better than any other option the Sox had going into last season. If the Sox had Cabrera chances are that Rios wouldn't be and there would be budget money to add a run-producing corner outfielder. Timing is everything.
...and they'd have no replacement for AJP.

spawn
12-24-2009, 06:55 AM
...and they'd have no replacement for AJP.
Exactly. Persoanlly, I'd rather have Rios anyway.