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LITTLE NELL
11-17-2009, 06:23 AM
Phil Rogers in Tribune today is reporting that this kid is the Sox 3rd baseman of the future. He has moved ahead of Viciedo in the depth chart. Looked up his stats and at Winston Salem and he had for A Ball a damn good year. Looks to me like Teahen is just filling in for a couple of years.
Anyone know anything else about him?

Craig Grebeck
11-17-2009, 08:20 AM
Phil Rogers in Tribune today is reporting that this kid is the Sox 3rd baseman of the future. He has moved ahead of Viciedo in the depth chart. Looked up his stats and at Winston Salem and he had for A Ball a damn good year. Looks to me like Teahen is just filling in for a couple of years.
Anyone know anything else about him?
Everything else. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=brent+morel)

Phil Rogers is a tool, but I don't doubt that Morel is better suited for third base than Viciedo. I have no idea where they're going to put him, but all indications from scouts outside the Sox organizations are that he'll be moved elsewhere.

Let's hope he finds his bat along the way.

UofCSoxFan
11-17-2009, 10:54 AM
I liked the Morel pick since the time they drafted him so I've been following him a fairly closely. I think defensively he's close to ready. The question is whether his bat will be good enough to play everyday at a corner IF spot. He likely will be a gap to gap doubles hitter with occassional power, although he's shown a bit more pop than when he first entered pro ball.

I wouldn't call him a sure thing by any means but I think he's got a real solid chance to be a decent major league player if he continues to develop.

DirtySox
11-17-2009, 11:48 AM
BA Blurb (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=6963)

KenBerryGrab
11-17-2009, 12:00 PM
How awesome will it be when he turns out to be a better third baseman than the all-hallowed Josh Vitters?

Chisoxfn
11-17-2009, 04:22 PM
Since it is of discussion, below is a link to an interview FutureSox performed on Morel.

http://futuresox.com/frontpage/2009/11/17/sit-down-with-brent-morel/

jabrch
11-17-2009, 06:19 PM
How awesome will it be when he turns out to be a better third baseman than the all-hallowed Josh Vitters?


As irrelevant as when Starlin Castro becomes a better IF than Alexei... We aren't in a competition with them to see who's prosects end up better.

oeo
11-17-2009, 07:30 PM
How awesome will it be when he turns out to be a better third baseman than the all-hallowed Josh Vitters?

You don't have to worry about that. Who was the last can't-miss Cubs position prospect that amounted to anything big? Exactly.

JermaineDye05
11-17-2009, 07:38 PM
You don't have to worry about that. Who was the last can't-miss Cubs position prospect that amounted to anything big? Exactly.

MLB prospects, for the most part, are a crap shoot. Boston, Anaheim, and Minnesota are the only teams that seem to consistently bring ML ready talent to the big leagues. Despite their financial capabilities (Boston and Anaheim), they're definitely doing something right in their development.

The rest of the teams in the majors? Well you could pretty much flip a coin with their prospects, unless he's a first rounder and even then you never know.

For the record, I have nothing to base this off of, other than my own observations of the league over the past couple of seasons.

oeo
11-17-2009, 08:18 PM
MLB prospects, for the most part, are a crap shoot. Boston, Anaheim, and Minnesota are the only teams that seem to consistently bring ML ready talent to the big leagues. Despite their financial capabilities (Boston and Anaheim), they're definitely doing something right in their development.

The rest of the teams in the majors? Well you could pretty much flip a coin with their prospects, unless he's a first rounder and even then you never know.

For the record, I have nothing to base this off of, other than my own observations of the league over the past couple of seasons.

You don't need to lecture me on prospects, but there's consistently a can't-miss type guy in the Cubs organization and he consistently flops. If Vitters played CF, I would think it was some kind of joke how they also have the next big leadoff hitting centerfielder on the way.

DrCrawdad
11-19-2009, 08:11 AM
You don't need to lecture me on prospects, but there's consistently a can't-miss type guy in the Cubs organization and he consistently flops. If Vitters played CF, I would think it was some kind of joke how they also have the next big leadoff hitting centerfielder on the way.

Vitters is so last year...The Cubbies new "can't miss" prospect is Starlin Castro. All Hail Starlin Castro!

UofCSoxFan
11-19-2009, 10:25 AM
Vitters is so last year...The Cubbies new "can't miss" prospect is Starlin Castro. All Hail Starlin Castro!

Starlin Castro sound's like Karl Marx's dream ticket.

moochpuppy
11-19-2009, 02:25 PM
Morel is one AB away from qualifing for the highest BA in the AFL (.414).

moochpuppy
11-19-2009, 02:27 PM
MLB prospects, for the most part, are a crap shoot. Boston, Anaheim, and Minnesota are the only teams that seem to consistently bring ML ready talent to the big leagues.

The Rays have been pretty good at this. Keep an eye on Jeremy Hellickson.

DirtySox
11-19-2009, 02:54 PM
Morel is one AB away from qualifing for the highest BA in the AFL (.414).

And he just qualified by hitting a 2 RBI Double in his first AB.

moochpuppy
11-19-2009, 04:27 PM
Nice! One more year of seasoning and this kid should be ready.

DirtySox
11-19-2009, 04:31 PM
Nice! One more year of seasoning and this kid should be ready.

That's rather optimistic for someone who hasn't had a single AB in AA yet.

cws05champ
11-19-2009, 07:32 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091118&content_id=7684462&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Article on Morel from the AFL.

JohnTucker0814
11-19-2009, 10:18 PM
The Rays have been pretty good at this. Keep an eye on Jeremy Hellickson.

I picked up Hellickson in my Dynasty League at the end of the year to hold on to him. Crazy amount of strikeouts!

Also, here are the up to date stats on Danks & Morel:

AVE/SLG/OPS

Danks: .343/.505/.963 3 hr 23 rbi 20 bb 26 K 26 games
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=l119&t=p_pbp&pid=458668

Morel: .435/.565/1.020 2 hr 11 rbi 4 bb 7 K 16 games
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=l119&t=p_pbp&pid=543569

Here are Flowers & Beckahm's stats from last year:

Flowers: .387/.973/1.433 12 hr 23 rbi 10 bb 22 K 20 games
Beckham: .394/.652/1.119 3 hr 13 rbi 8 bb 14 K 18 games

I like how Danks is driving in some runs. He does strikeout a lot, but it looks like he gets the basehits when needed!

JohnTucker0814
11-19-2009, 10:32 PM
Also, who do you guys think Morel has the capabilites of being?

Look at these stats from a top 3B playing today:

Rookie: 4 hr 17 rbi 9 sb .300 ave
A: 11 hr 93 rbi 21 sb .266 ave
A Adv: 15 hr 75 rbi 19 sb .270 ave
AA-AAA: 18 hr 57 rbi 22 sb .341 ave

Morel:

Rook & A: 6 hr 27 rbi 12 sb .318 ave
A Adv: 16 hr 79 rbi 25 sb .281 ave

BTW... that top 3B minor league numbers are: DAVID WRIGHT!

I tried to look up scouting reports on Wright, but could only find current reports, not the ones that were out when he was drafted #28 in round 1 for the Mets.

California Sox
11-20-2009, 12:54 AM
I like Morel quite a bit. He had a fantastic second half, but it's not fair to compare him to David Wright. Wright was a high school kid who was young for his league all the way up. By the time he was Morel's age, he was in the majors. Apples and oranges.

DonnieDarko
11-20-2009, 01:06 AM
Also, who do you guys think Morel has the capabilites of being?

Look at these stats from a top 3B playing today:

Rookie: 4 hr 17 rbi 9 sb .300 ave
A: 11 hr 93 rbi 21 sb .266 ave
A Adv: 15 hr 75 rbi 19 sb .270 ave
AA-AAA: 18 hr 57 rbi 22 sb .341 ave

Morel:

Rook & A: 6 hr 27 rbi 12 sb .318 ave
A Adv: 16 hr 79 rbi 25 sb .281 ave

BTW... that top 3B minor league numbers are: DAVID WRIGHT!

I tried to look up scouting reports on Wright, but could only find current reports, not the ones that were out when he was drafted #28 in round 1 for the Mets.

Might be getting a weeeeeeeeeeee bit ahead of yourself, you know? :smile:

moochpuppy
11-20-2009, 08:23 AM
That's rather optimistic for someone who hasn't had a single AB in AA yet.

I'm a glass half-full kind of guy. :smile:

JohnTucker0814
11-20-2009, 09:17 AM
I like Morel quite a bit. He had a fantastic second half, but it's not fair to compare him to David Wright. Wright was a high school kid who was young for his league all the way up. By the time he was Morel's age, he was in the majors. Apples and oranges.

Might be getting a weeeeeeeeeeee bit ahead of yourself, you know? :smile:

Yes it's very optimistic, however, if the numbers are comparable at the same levels, then it's fair to compare. If you look at the A Adv numbers, it was Wrights 3rd year in the majors and Morels 2nd year.

I have not seen Morel play in person and I've never seen Wright play at the minor league level... But there aren't that many players that hit 16 hr and steal 25 bases as a 3B!

Craig Grebeck
11-20-2009, 09:41 AM
Yes it's very optimistic, however, if the numbers are comparable at the same levels, then it's fair to compare. If you look at the A Adv numbers, it was Wrights 3rd year in the majors and Morels 2nd year.

I have not seen Morel play in person and I've never seen Wright play at the minor league level... But there aren't that many players that hit 16 hr and steal 25 bases as a 3B!
No, still not fair. Much more context than you're willing to concede.

jabrch
11-20-2009, 12:07 PM
The Rays have been pretty good at this. Keep an eye on Jeremy Hellickson.


Draft first every year - you are bound to eventually get a few right.

cws05champ
11-20-2009, 01:26 PM
I picked up Hellickson in my Dynasty League at the end of the year to hold on to him. Crazy amount of strikeouts!

Also, here are the up to date stats on Danks & Morel:

AVE/SLG/OPS

Danks: .343/.505/.963 3 hr 23 rbi 20 bb 26 K 26 games
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=l119&t=p_pbp&pid=458668

Morel: .435/.565/1.020 2 hr 11 rbi 4 bb 7 K 16 games
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=l119&t=p_pbp&pid=543569

David Wright's stat's from the AFL in 2003:

.341/.427/.489 with two HRs and seven doubles in 88 ABs. He walked more often than he struck out (10-13 K/BB ratio). But he was also only 20 yrs old at the time whereas Morel is 22. Seems like a small difference in age but means a lot more to scouts when a player dominates a level at a younger age. I think Wright is a stretch comparison but we can hope!!! If he does turn out to be that lets hope we hold onto him.

Edit: Also, just noticed that Morel led the league in hitting and Danks led in Runs. Pretty cool!!

JohnTucker0814
11-20-2009, 02:11 PM
David Wright's stat's from the AFL in 2003:

.341/.427/.489 with two HRs and seven doubles in 88 ABs. He walked more often than he struck out (10-13 K/BB ratio). But he was also only 20 yrs old at the time whereas Morel is 22. Seems like a small difference in age but means a lot more to scouts when a player dominates a level at a younger age. I think Wright is a stretch comparison but we can hope!!! If he does turn out to be that lets hope we hold onto him.

Edit: Also, just noticed that Morel led the league in hitting and Danks led in Runs. Pretty cool!!

BTW, I'm not saying that Morel is going to be as good as David Wright. But, by comparing his stats and the similiarities that they have in the minors so far, I think Morel has a chance to be a pretty darn good player. Wright puts up some of the best stats at his position in all of baseball. It would be hard for anyone to match. HOWEVER, if he hits 5 less HR and 20 less RBI's, but matches his high average and SB, he'd probably be an exceptional MLB player!

Who would be dissapointed with 15 HR, 80 RBI, 25 SB, .280-.300 AVE from our 3B position, with above average defense????

Frater Perdurabo
11-20-2009, 02:55 PM
Who would be dissapointed with 15 HR, 80 RBI, 25 SB, .280-.300 AVE from our 3B position, with above average defense????

Third base is a position where you absolutely must have more power.

Britt Burns
11-22-2009, 11:04 AM
Also, who do you guys think Morel has the capabilites of being?

Look at these stats from a top 3B playing today:

Rookie: 4 hr 17 rbi 9 sb .300 ave
A: 11 hr 93 rbi 21 sb .266 ave
A Adv: 15 hr 75 rbi 19 sb .270 ave
AA-AAA: 18 hr 57 rbi 22 sb .341 ave

Morel:

Rook & A: 6 hr 27 rbi 12 sb .318 ave
A Adv: 16 hr 79 rbi 25 sb .281 ave

BTW... that top 3B minor league numbers are: DAVID WRIGHT!

I tried to look up scouting reports on Wright, but could only find current reports, not the ones that were out when he was drafted #28 in round 1 for the Mets.

Wright put up those numbers coming out of high school; Morel had 3 years of college. I like Morel a lot, but he isn't a David Wright by a mile.

Come to think of it, the person I would compare him to at this point in Morel's development is...Joe Crede. I think Morel will be a better hitter and faster on the basepaths but with a little less power than Crede.

California Sox
11-22-2009, 04:17 PM
Looking at him yesterday, he reminded me of Kevin Seitzer at the plate. Not that big of a guy with a low maintenance short stroke. Probably not a huge power guy. Of course, he's much better in the field, so maybe Jeff Cirillo is a better comp. Kid looks like he'll play in the majors, though.

Frater Perdurabo
11-22-2009, 05:17 PM
I think Morel will be a better hitter and faster on the basepaths but with a little less power than Crede.

I'd be fine with that.

Britt Burns
11-23-2009, 03:42 PM
I'd be fine with that.

Me too, especially if he and Crede are about equal in the field. I haven't seen or read enough about Morel to know that one way or the other.

Redus Redux
11-24-2009, 12:14 PM
With Morel/Alexei/Beckham we may have a 3b/ss/2b combining for 50 HRs....... i would imagine that kind of production would be normal to high-end power for those positions leaguewide...

JermaineDye05
11-24-2009, 01:51 PM
With Morel/Alexei/Beckham we may have a 3b/ss/2b combining for 50 HRs....... i would imagine that kind of production would be normal to high-end power for those positions leaguewide...

We already have a 2B and SS that can combine for 50 HR, Beckham has the potential to hit 20+, as does Alexei.