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DirtySox
11-05-2009, 10:10 AM
For Getz and Fields. Supposedly to replace Dye in RF.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/columnists/madden/index.html?page=1

guillen4life13
11-05-2009, 10:12 AM
I'm not seeing any other sources pop up with this info, but if true... WHY!?!

I understand letting Fields go, but Getz? Now who fills out the IF?

All for a guy with a career .749 OPS out of RF. And it's not like he's a fast guy either.

Say it ain't so!

socko82
11-05-2009, 10:13 AM
For Josh Fields & Chris Getz
Per MLBTradeRumors & NY Daily News

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/columnists/madden/index.html?page=1

nug0hs
11-05-2009, 10:14 AM
It is now starting to show up on http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

SoxSpeed22
11-05-2009, 10:14 AM
If I had to guess, either Teahen is playing 3rd and Bacon moves to 2nd, or Teahen plays right and we're taking in another 2nd baseman. The former being more likely.
Kenny striking fast, I like it.

DeuceUnit
11-05-2009, 10:14 AM
I really really like this. I can also see him playing 3rd, moving Beckham to his natural position at short and putting TCM back at 2nd where he played much better.

Balfanman
11-05-2009, 10:24 AM
If I had to guess, either Teahen is playing 3rd and Bacon moves to 2nd, or Teahen plays right and we're taking in another 2nd baseman. The former being more likely.
Kenny striking fast, I like it.

Polanco maybe?

voodoochile
11-05-2009, 10:25 AM
At the worst he's a super utility guy with Nix taking over primary duties at second. I really think Nix and Getz are pretty interchangeable in terms of talent with Nix adding more pop.

I'd imagine Kotsay is gone too.

beasly213
11-05-2009, 10:25 AM
Hmm. Maybe we move Beckham to SS and the White Sox can get the legend that is Chone Figgins! :D:

beasly213
11-05-2009, 10:26 AM
At the worst he's a super utility guy with Nix taking over primary duties at second. I really think Nix and Getz are pretty interchangeable in terms of talent with Nix adding more pop.

I'd imagine Kotsay is gone too.

I'd hope not. You still need a backup at first.

Boondock Saint
11-05-2009, 10:26 AM
For Josh Fields & Chris Getz
Per MLBTradeRumors & NY Daily News

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/columnists/madden/index.html?page=1

I don't like that at all.

FoulkeFan
11-05-2009, 10:29 AM
I don't get this at all. Teahen is a decent player, but Getz really showed some promise last year.

voodoochile
11-05-2009, 10:33 AM
I'd hope not. You still need a backup at first.
Teahan has played some first according to his stats page - 25 games over the last 2 years.

WhiteSox4Lyfe
11-05-2009, 10:34 AM
If this is true it will be a horrible trade. I like Teahen but you shouldnt give up Getz to get him. I will be pissed if this is true.

beasly213
11-05-2009, 10:35 AM
Teahan has played some first according to his stats page - 25 games over the last 2 years.

The Sox also need someone who can actually pinch hit. Kotsay does that for them.

beasly213
11-05-2009, 10:35 AM
If this is true it will be a horrible trade. I like Teahen but you shouldnt give up Getz to get him. I will be pissed if this is true.

Oh man. Here we go with the legend of Chris Getz.... :rolleyes:

SoxFan78
11-05-2009, 10:38 AM
Welcome to 2B Jayson Nix

cleanwsox
11-05-2009, 10:38 AM
I don't mind Teahan but to give up Getz and his cheap contract status for the next 4 some years??? Teahan has 2 years left before FA and got $3.5 million last year. I assume he gets more than that this year. :scratch:

nug0hs
11-05-2009, 10:39 AM
People, think of it this way:


1) Dye finished the season batting .250, 27/81. Teahen hit .271, 12/50. Dye = $12 mil....Teahen = $3.5 -- That alone is worth giving up Getz.

2) Did Getz really show that much potential last year? Sure he stole a few bases and has some flashy plays, but he also didn't really hit for that high of an average and made a handful of bad plays/errors. I think people are overrating/overhyping him here. Nix is not really much different than Getz as the new 2B.

tstrike2000
11-05-2009, 10:39 AM
If true, I don't mind this trade. Teahen has good upside and seems pretty versitile.

sox1970
11-05-2009, 10:40 AM
I want Polanco. Get him.

Marqhead
11-05-2009, 10:41 AM
People, think of it this way:


1) Dye finished the season batting .250, 27/81. Teahen hit .271, 12/50. Dye = $12 mil....Teahen = $3.5 -- That alone is worth giving up Getz.

2) Did Getz really show that much potential last year? Sure he stole a few bases and has some flashy plays, but he also didn't really hit for that high of an average and made a handful of bad plays/errors. I think people are overrating/overhyping him here. Nix is not really much different than Getz as the new 2B.

Just because Dye had a crappy season last year doesn't mean we should be happy with a lesser player replacing him in RF.

I agree Getz isn't particularly special, and I think (hope) Nix will fill in adequately for him at 2B.

Boondock Saint
11-05-2009, 10:41 AM
People, think of it this way:


1) Dye finished the season batting .250, 27/81. Teahen hit .271, 12/50. Dye = $12 mil....Teahen = $3.5 -- That alone is worth giving up Getz.

2) Did Getz really show that much potential last year? Sure he stole a few bases and has some flashy plays, but he also didn't really hit for that high of an average and made a handful of bad plays/errors. I think people are overrating/overhyping him here. Nix is not really much different than Getz as the new 2B.

Jermaine Dye playing ****ty baseball does not make Mark Teahen even an average RF. It certainly doesn't make him worth a fairly promising young player that at least looked like he could play every day.

Lundind1
11-05-2009, 10:42 AM
Hmm. Maybe we move Beckham to SS and the White Sox can get the legend that is Chone Figgins! :D:

No joke. I think that it opens up a hole to fill with someone from free agency. Think about it. You could find any of the 3rd basemen, SS, or 2nd baseman who is of top rate talent. The other thing, this might not be the end of the many trades that are coming up.

The thing that bothers me is now the lack of any depth at man positions. I don't see Kotsay leaving and now the resigning of Pods becomes a reality.

JermaineDye05
11-05-2009, 10:42 AM
I liked Chris a lot. I'm gonna miss him, but Teahen is an upgrade offensively if they play him at second. I know it says they plan on playing him in RF but I don't know how true that is.

DirtySox
11-05-2009, 10:42 AM
At least we can follows Teahen's dog on Twitter.

http://twitter.com/ESPY_TEAHEN

And the "Tea Time" shirt is super sweet.

aryzner
11-05-2009, 10:44 AM
I don't mind this move at all. I kind of like it actually.

spawn
11-05-2009, 10:44 AM
Oh man. Here we go with the legend of Chris Getz.... :rolleyes:
Following in the footsteps of...

The Legend of Jeremy Reed
The Legend of Aaron Rowand
The Legend of Chris Young
The Legend of Brian Anderson

Gammons Peter
11-05-2009, 10:44 AM
People, think of it this way:


1) Dye finished the season batting .250, 27/81. Teahen hit .271, 12/50. Dye = $12 mil....Teahen = $3.5 -- That alone is worth giving up Getz.


Wow, is that dumb. He's just as ****ty, but much cheaper!

DirtySox
11-05-2009, 10:45 AM
I liked Chris a lot. I'm gonna miss him, but Teahen is an upgrade offensively if they play him at second. I know it says they plan on playing him in RF but I don't know how true that is.

Agreed. I will not be very pleased if he is indeed the starting RF.

veeter
11-05-2009, 10:45 AM
I don't get this at all. Teahen is a decent player, but Getz really showed some promise last year.I agree. This sucks.

nug0hs
11-05-2009, 10:46 AM
Wow, is that dumb. He's just as ****ty, but much cheaper!

How is that dumb? If someone said "hey, your car sucks...I'll give you a somewhat similar crappy car + $50,000", wouldn't you take that deal? Imagine what you could do with that other cash... ::looks at list of free agents::

tstrike2000
11-05-2009, 10:46 AM
At least we can follows Teahen's dog on Twitter.

http://twitter.com/ESPY_TEAHEN

Tea Time...I like it. We'll like it even better if Dye is gone that Teahen plays to more of his potential.

Lundind1
11-05-2009, 10:47 AM
Agreed. I will not be very pleased if he is indeed the starting RF.

Could you explain why there would be a difference between the two positions. I am of the mindset of hit or sit no matter where you play.

DumpJerry
11-05-2009, 10:48 AM
At least this time it is not a Royals pitcher.........

Lundind1
11-05-2009, 10:48 AM
At least this time it is not a Royals pitcher.........

I can agree with that.

Gammons Peter
11-05-2009, 10:48 AM
Plan A
3B Chone, SS Bacon, 2B Missle

Plan B
3B Bacon, SS Missle, 2B Nix

JermaineDye05
11-05-2009, 10:49 AM
Agreed. I will not be very pleased if he is indeed the starting RF.

My gut tells me that they either really really really really like what they're seeing from Danks or they already have FA targets or other trades on the table. They just can't announce those.

Boondock Saint
11-05-2009, 10:50 AM
How is that dumb? If someone said "hey, your car sucks...I'll give you a somewhat similar crappy car + $50,000", wouldn't you take that deal? Imagine what you could do with that other cash... ::looks at list of free agents::

Jermaine Dye will cost $1m to buy out. How does it make sense to replace him with a crappy outfielder simply because he's cheap???

veeter
11-05-2009, 10:51 AM
Following in the footsteps of...

The Legend of Jeremy Reed
The Legend of Aaron Rowand
The Legend of Chris Young
The Legend of Brian AndersonI really like Getz, but for me the anger is that I think Teahen sucks. And Getz might end up being better than all those guys.

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 10:51 AM
Welcome to 2B Jayson Nix

Considering he couldn't hit RHP at all, I really don't think that is the plan.

veeter
11-05-2009, 10:53 AM
Considering he couldn't hit RHP at all, I really don't think that is the plan.Yea, no way can they be thinking Nix is a starting second baseman. Maybe Kenny's getting Iwamura from Pitt.

JGarlandrules20
11-05-2009, 10:54 AM
I'm so excited if this is true.

Mark Teahen has been my favorite non-sox player for the past 4 years, so I've followed him really closely. He's a great guy, for one. Very involved with the community. He can play so many positions (although I think the versatility and -constantly- switching positions hurt his development on the Royals) He can draw a walk/get on base, and he's hit VERY well at the Cell.

I'm really sad to see Getz go, but I'm glad Josh gets a start with a new organization.

I don't know where he'd play because Teahen's second-base experiment did not pan out last season...

Craig Grebeck
11-05-2009, 10:54 AM
I don't really get this. If Teahen played competent defense at 3B he'd be extremely valuable. If he's in the outfield his defense is pretty mediocre.

I'm not scratching my head, but I'm also not jumping for joy. Let's hope Polanco or Figgins fill out the lineup.

nug0hs
11-05-2009, 10:55 AM
WE.
ARE.
NOT.
GETTING.
CHONE.
FIGGINS.


end of discussion!!!

Lundind1
11-05-2009, 10:56 AM
we.
Are.
Not.
Getting.
Chone.
Figgins.


End of discussion!!!

you.
Never.
Know!

hi im skot
11-05-2009, 10:56 AM
we.
Are.
Not.
Getting.
Chone.
Figgins.


End of discussion!!!

like.

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 10:56 AM
I'm so excited if this is true.

Mark Teahen has been my favorite non-sox player for the past 4 years, so I've followed him really closely. He's an great guy, for one. Very involved with the community. He can play so many positions (although I think the versatility and -constantly- switching positions hurt his development on the Royals) He can draw a walk/get on base, and he's hit VERY well at the Cell.

I'm really sad to see Getz go, but I'm glad Josh gets a start with a new organization.

I don't know where he'd play because Teahen's second-base experiment did not pan out last season...
Actually his OBP isn't so great. He is a guy with potential that more than a few people have expected to break out for a few years. He should be entering his prime, hopefully he fufills his promise. If he plays like he has the last couple of seasons, ho hum.

DumpJerry
11-05-2009, 10:57 AM
Come on people. this is not our first Kenny offseason. We all know that this move is just one piece of a puzzle which consists of several more moves between now and April 5th. Let's just wait and what other players come and go so we can cheer/fret over the big picture.

beasly213
11-05-2009, 10:57 AM
WE.
ARE.
NOT.
GETTING.
CHONE.
FIGGINS.


end of discussion!!!

Just like the Sox would never get Jake Peavy.. :rolleyes:

WhiteSox1989
11-05-2009, 10:57 AM
I hope Jayson Nix is not going to play 2B every day.

voodoochile
11-05-2009, 10:58 AM
Plan A
3B Chone, SS Bacon, 2B Missle

Plan B
3B Bacon, SS Missle, 2B Nix

I'm okay with B provided they add a big bat to the OF and leave Teahan as the utility guy.

Craig Grebeck
11-05-2009, 10:58 AM
Also, I know Callaspo is a wife beater and all, but why the hell would they put Getz at second base instead of him? Alberto is far better.

DirtySox
11-05-2009, 10:58 AM
WE.
ARE.
NOT.
GETTING.
CHONE.
FIGGINS.


end of discussion!!!

o.

thx.

BainesHOF
11-05-2009, 10:58 AM
Nix better not be our starting second baseman. He's brutal with the bat. All he does is try to pull the ball and hit home runs. I don't want to see him even on the team.

Boondock Saint
11-05-2009, 10:59 AM
Come on people. this is not our first Kenny offseason. We all know that this move is just one piece of a puzzle which consists of several more moves between now and April 5th. Let's just wait and what other players come and go so we can cheer/fret over the big picture.

I really hope so. I'm going to be really disappointed if this is Plan A.

jmeneghini1433
11-05-2009, 11:00 AM
Plan A
3B Chone, SS Bacon, 2B Missle

Plan B
3B Bacon, SS Missle, 2B Nix
I like Plan A, and I believe it's very likely.

Craig Grebeck
11-05-2009, 11:00 AM
Nix better not be our starting second baseman. He's brutal with the bat. All he does is try to pull the ball and hit home runs. I don't want to see him even on the team.
Yeah. Who needs a utility guy who can mash lefties and play competent defense at second base? The league is just crawling with those guys at league minimum.

Craig Grebeck
11-05-2009, 11:04 AM
I'm okay with B provided they add a big bat to the OF and leave Teahan as the utility guy.
I'd feel better about:

Polanco
Pierzynski
Beckham
Quentin
Thome
Konerko
Ramirez
Teahen
Rios

esbrechtel
11-05-2009, 11:05 AM
I dont know how I feel about this....I have a feeling it is one of many moves...

esbrechtel
11-05-2009, 11:06 AM
I'd feel better about:

Polanco
Pierzynski
Beckham
Quentin
Thome
Konerko
Ramirez
Teahen
Rios

Thats a pretty solid lineup....

SoxGirl4Life
11-05-2009, 11:06 AM
I like Chris Getz. How old is Teahan?

Craig Grebeck
11-05-2009, 11:06 AM
Last three Cowley tweets:

As far as Getz, if he was traded it was news to him. The second baseman just said in a text, "I don't know what's going on.''
less than a minute ago from web

Sox have announced that Mark Kotsay was given a one-year, $1.5 million deal to return to the South Side as a key reserve.
2 minutes ago from web

Reports out of NY have Getz and Fields going to KC for Mark Teahen. All is mum on Sox side so far.
19 minutes ago from txt

illini81887
11-05-2009, 11:07 AM
i like chris getz. How old is teahan?
28

DirtySox
11-05-2009, 11:07 AM
Teahen strikes out more than I thought. I hope he keeps mashing at the Cell.

Craig Grebeck
11-05-2009, 11:07 AM
Thats a pretty solid lineup....
Better defensively, versatile, short contracts, etc. I think it's financially viable as well.

The Immigrant
11-05-2009, 11:09 AM
The person most excited about this (alleged) trade? Mark Buehrle. Teahen has a lifetime .480 average against him.

Count me as strongly in favor of this move. Chris Getz is overwhelmingly underwhelming.

SoxGirl4Life
11-05-2009, 11:09 AM
28
Younger than I thought. Getz is solid though. A little injury prone. Leave it to Kenny to make the first deal after the world series concluded.

DirtySox
11-05-2009, 11:11 AM
Younger than I thought. Getz is solid though. A little injury prone. Leave it to Kenny to make the first deal after the world series concluded.

This is a good point. Getz has been rather frail. I hadn't considered that.

PopsBrechtel
11-05-2009, 11:11 AM
I dont know how I feel about this....I have a feeling it is one of many moves...

I agree with the younger Brechtel :smile:

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 11:14 AM
Getz hasn't been told so it could be BS.

voodoochile
11-05-2009, 11:15 AM
i like chris getz. How old is teahan?28

voodoochile
11-05-2009, 11:16 AM
Better defensively, versatile, short contracts, etc. I think it's financially viable as well.

They just resigned Kotsay, so I think he move into RF over Teahan, but I have no objection to signing Polanco.

johnnyg83
11-05-2009, 11:16 AM
Teahan can and has played all three OF positions and three IF positions (though 2B was a short experiment due to an injury they had to move him).

So he's instant depth. Between Kotsay and Teahan we've covered 1b and the OF 2x.

Rockabilly
11-05-2009, 11:17 AM
The White Sox have declined to confirm this "rumor" as Bruce Levine is calling it on ESPN 1000

spawn
11-05-2009, 11:18 AM
I'm moving this to WTS until the rumor is confirmed.

hawkjt
11-05-2009, 11:19 AM
I like Getz,but I have always feared Teahan the way he hit the Sox...he is a lefty that hits MB...

As a part of the offseason plan, I am ok with this.
I like the Kotsay re-signing.
Get Pods on board, then maybe one big splash addition for Dh/outfield,and a relief pitcher or two...and Kenny can go on holiday early.

voodoochile
11-05-2009, 11:19 AM
The White Sox have declined to confirm this "rumor" as Bruce Levine is calling it on ESPN 1000

Ah but they haven't denied it or Levine would have reported that too.

DirtySox
11-05-2009, 11:23 AM
10:17am: ESPN's Buster Olney (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors#3471) says talks are "not that far along." Joe Cowley of The Chicago Sun Times (http://twitter.com/cst_sox/statuses/5452752999) mentions that Getz hasn't heard anything about the trade.

First link is insider only.

Bob G
11-05-2009, 11:25 AM
Getz and Fields for Teahen - not confirmed yet.

Edit - looks it may be true.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=4625441

AlleghenySoxFan
11-05-2009, 11:25 AM
says so on ESPN i liked Getz :(

socko82
11-05-2009, 11:26 AM
Teahan can and has played all three OF positions and three IF positions (though 2B was a short experiment due to an injury they had to move him).

So he's instant depth. Between Kotsay and Teahan we've covered 1b and the OF 2x.


Teahan actually spent all last winter preparing to be the Royals every day secondbaseman. He then got hurt during the WBC and by the time he was healthy Callaspo was hitting over .300 so KC put him back in right field. So it's possible the Sox might be looking at him to play every day at second base.

spawn
11-05-2009, 11:27 AM
says so on ESPN i liked Getz :(
They're quoting the NY TImes article that is posted here.

voodoochile
11-05-2009, 11:27 AM
Teahan actually spent all last winter preparing to be the Royals every day secondbaseman. He then got hurt during the WBC and by the time he was healthy Callaspo was hitting over .300 so KC put him back in right field. So it's possible the Sox might be looking at him to play every day at second base.

That's interesting. If so, then very cool. He's an upgrade over Getz for sure.

MrX
11-05-2009, 11:27 AM
10:17am: ESPN's Buster Olney (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors#3471) says talks are "not that far along." Joe Cowley of The Chicago Sun Times (http://twitter.com/cst_sox/statuses/5452752999) mentions that Getz hasn't heard anything about the trade.

First link is insider only.

Olney also said Tehan's salary is expected to go up to 5 million next season.

Sockinchisox
11-05-2009, 11:31 AM
Teahen (and his dog) have not heard anything yet.

http://twitter.com/ESPY_TEAHEN/status/5453315855

Jimmy Piersall
11-05-2009, 11:35 AM
Until this gets confirmed by somebody at the baggage claim at O'Hare...

ShoelessJoeS
11-05-2009, 11:35 AM
Following in the footsteps of...

The Legend of Jeremy Reed
The Legend of Aaron Rowand
The Legend of Chris Young
The Legend of Brian AndersonDon't forget the Legend of Ron Burgandy. :redneck

HomeFish
11-05-2009, 11:36 AM
I am the foremost Getz hater on this board, but this sounds like we got ripped off.

soltrain21
11-05-2009, 11:39 AM
I am the foremost Getz hater on this board, but this sounds like we got ripped off.

How, exactly, are we getting ripped off? Getz and Teahen are pretty lateral, and Josh Fields is a complete throw in.

soxfanreggie
11-05-2009, 11:39 AM
Just got notice from ESPN about this deal.

Boondock Saint
11-05-2009, 11:41 AM
How, exactly, are we getting ripped off? Getz and Teahen are pretty lateral, and Josh Fields is a complete throw in.

Teahen has had several years to bulid off of his potential, and has been disappointing. Getz has had one MLB season so far. To expect a breakout season from Teahen is a stretch. Getz may still be developing.

skobabe8
11-05-2009, 11:42 AM
They are still quoting the NY Post, unless you have something new.

GAsoxfan
11-05-2009, 11:43 AM
The Sox trade speed for power, imagine that. (And not even good power, Ryan Sweeney power)

I just don't see the upside from the Sox perspective. Why add another high-strikeout, low-OBP guy? How does this improve the team?

twsoxfan5
11-05-2009, 11:45 AM
Not really sure how I feel about this. I really liked Getz but I dont think he was going to be a superstar by any means. As far as Teahen goes I always thought he was great but really he is a 271 hitter that seems like a 371 hitter against the Sox.

soltrain21
11-05-2009, 11:45 AM
I also think you guys are forgetting all the "stuff" that came out on Getz at the end of the year. It sounded like ships were starting to sail and the Sox weren't exactly happy with his clubhouse ethic.

skobabe8
11-05-2009, 11:46 AM
I also think you guys are forgetting all the "stuff" that came out on Getz at the end of the year. It sounded like ships were starting to sail and the Sox weren't exactly happy with his clubhouse ethic.

Never heard about it.

dochocin
11-05-2009, 11:46 AM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/11/report_white_sox_get_teahan_fo.html

oeo
11-05-2009, 11:47 AM
If he's playing 2B or being a Mark Derosa type guy (spelling time all over the field), then okay. As our everyday right fielder? That is one weak ass bat. Still need a big lefty bat, this isn't it.

voodoochile
11-05-2009, 11:47 AM
Not really sure how I feel about this. I really liked Getz but I dont think he was going to be a superstar by any means. As far as Teahen goes I always thought he was great but really he is a 271 hitter that seems like a 371 hitter against the Sox.

Maybe he'll be more like that better hitter playing int USCF 81 games a year.

skobabe8
11-05-2009, 11:47 AM
WHAT!? :o:

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 11:48 AM
I also think you guys are forgetting all the "stuff" that came out on Getz at the end of the year. It sounded like ships were starting to sail and the Sox weren't exactly happy with his clubhouse ethic.

The quote about the veterans giving him a hard time because he said the young guys brought an energy to the team? Wow, what a horrible thing to say.

hi im skot
11-05-2009, 11:48 AM
I also think you guys are forgetting all the "stuff" that came out on Getz at the end of the year. It sounded like ships were starting to sail and the Sox weren't exactly happy with his clubhouse ethic.

Are you referring to Getz's claim that the younger guys brought some energy to the clubhouse, and that some veterans were unhappy about that?

Hard to disagree with Chris on that call...

oeo
11-05-2009, 11:49 AM
Never heard about it.

The only thing I read was in Mark Gonzalez's interview with Lip where the veterans apparently got pissed off that Getz said the young guys were providing a lot of energy to the team. That was early in the year when he said that.

If that's what the problem was, then those veterans should be shown the door, not Getz.

HangWiffum
11-05-2009, 11:50 AM
It's a move that doen't make sense. I know you wanted to dump Fields but why are you picking up a 5 million a year players who has been in a steady decline? He's not a huge upgrade at any position. I'm not saying that Getz was an All-Star here. I just don't see the value. It's a waste of cash for a cash-strapped team. That 5 million would look much better in a BULLPEN pitcher which is one of this teams biggest weaknesses.

Kittle'sNeighbor
11-05-2009, 11:50 AM
Thoughts?

I don't like the thought of losing Getz's left handed bat. Hopefully Nix raises his average .075 points next year with regular playing time.

That is if Figgins isn't at third and Ramierez / Beckham aren't the new up the middle duo.

.

soltrain21
11-05-2009, 11:51 AM
Are you referring to Getz's claim that the younger guys brought some energy to the clubhouse, and that some veterans were unhappy about that?

Hard to disagree with Chris on that call...

I must be wrong, then - but I thought he was the one that everyone was getting pissed off at because he was watching college football instead of getting ready for the game?

I didn't read the Lip interview.

oeo
11-05-2009, 11:52 AM
Thoughts?

I don't like the thought of losing Getz's left handed bat.

Teahen is a left-handed bat, too...

oeo
11-05-2009, 11:53 AM
I must be wrong, then - but I thought he was the one that everyone was getting pissed off at because he was watching college football instead of getting ready for the game?

I didn't read the Lip interview.

I thought that was a WSI created rumor.

Boondock Saint
11-05-2009, 11:53 AM
I must be wrong, then - but I thought he was the one that everyone was getting pissed off at because he was watching college football instead of getting ready for the game?

I didn't read the Lip interview.

Ozzie was pissed about people watching college football after they lost another game down the stretch. It wasn't about Getz specifically, but he was one of those guys.

Hitmen77
11-05-2009, 11:54 AM
If this trade does happen, would Teahen be 3B or RF for us?

How is he defensively at 3rd?

gobears1987
11-05-2009, 11:55 AM
I have to say I like this. I really liked Getz, but Alexei can move to 2nd where he was better defensively. Bacon can move to his natural position of short, and Teahen can take 3rd. Perhaps, Kenny is finally getting Chone Figgins for 3rd and Teahen becomes a utility infielder.

HangWiffum
11-05-2009, 11:56 AM
I have to say I like this. I really liked Getz, but Alexei can move to 2nd where he was better defensively. Bacon can move to his natural position of short, and Teahen can take 3rd. Perhaps, Kenny is finally getting Chone Figgins for 3rd and Teahen becomes a utility infielder.

utility infielder at 5 million a year? guess the recession really is over.

oeo
11-05-2009, 11:58 AM
I have to say I like this. I really liked Getz, but Alexei can move to 2nd where he was better defensively. Bacon can move to his natural position of short, and Teahen can take 3rd. Perhaps, Kenny is finally getting Chone Figgins for 3rd and Teahen becomes a utility infielder.

I really don't think the infield is shifting at all. Alexei was a lot better at SS in the latter part of the year, and Ozzie says he's the third best defensive SS in the American League. Beckham also took large strides at 3B, and his bat will be more than adequate (already is more adequate than Teahen's) at third base.

slavko
11-05-2009, 11:59 AM
The Sox trade speed for power, imagine that. (And not even good power, Ryan Sweeney power)

I just don't see the upside from the Sox perspective. Why add another high-strikeout, low-OBP guy? How does this improve the team?

Yeah. Except that I'd rather have Ryan Sweeney.

JohnnyInnsbrook
11-05-2009, 11:59 AM
If this trade does happen, would Teahen be 3B or RF for us?

How is he defensively at 3rd?

Cowley thinks that if he does play 3rd, they may move bacon over to 2nd.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2009/11/getz_and_fields_traded_for_tea.html

Kittle'sNeighbor
11-05-2009, 12:00 PM
Why did the thread get removed and why is there no info on the board?

gr8mexico
11-05-2009, 12:01 PM
utility infielder at 5 million a year? guess the recession really is over.
I'm sure Kenny is going to have KC pick up some of that money.

hi im skot
11-05-2009, 12:01 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=116381

Kittle'sNeighbor
11-05-2009, 12:01 PM
I'll miss Getz.

Other teams' pitchers will miss Fields.

I trust ya KW! *gulp*

DSpivack
11-05-2009, 12:01 PM
Mark^3!

gobears1987
11-05-2009, 12:01 PM
Why did the thread get removed and why is there no info on the board?

Check What's the Score, that's where trade threads go until officially confirmed.

hi im skot
11-05-2009, 12:03 PM
We need more threads on this.

Lip Man 1
11-05-2009, 12:04 PM
If this deal does happen I can see Mark starting in right field myself with Nix starting at second. I just don't think they are going to want to move Beckham to a second position in two years time.

But we'll see. There's still a lot of time to make deals and potentially sign players so at this point nothing is guaranteed in the infield save for Ramirez and Konerko.

Personally I'm not thrilled that Nix could be starting and it's my guess that Kenny is looking for an upgrade.

Lip

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:04 PM
The Sox trade speed for power, imagine that. (And not even good power, Ryan Sweeney power)

Hmm...I'm missing where Teahen is considered powerful, in any way.

fram40
11-05-2009, 12:05 PM
Ozzie was pissed about people watching college football after they lost another game down the stretch. It wasn't about Getz specifically, but he was one of those guys.

Then everybody in the press missed it, because all I have seen are comments that Ozzie loves Getz and plans on him being the starter at 2B for a long time.

This trade seems weird - trade one of Ozzie's (supposed) favorite players, trade power for speed. Kenny has been quoted as saying the power era is over, and baseball is going back to the way it was before PEDs.

I don't understand.

gobears1987
11-05-2009, 12:05 PM
Here's my question...

Nellie Fox struck out a total of 216 times in 19 seasons. Can Josh Fields top that in a single 162 game season?

Rockabilly
11-05-2009, 12:05 PM
http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/1867251,teahen-getz-fields-white-sox-trade-05.article


looks like a done deal

seventyseven
11-05-2009, 12:05 PM
If this deal does happen I can see Mark starting in right field myself with Nix starting at second. I just don't think they are going to want to move Beckham to a second position in two years time.

But we'll see. There's still a lot of time to make deals and potentially sign players so at this point nothing is guaranteed in the infield save for Ramirez and Konerko.

Personally I'm not thrilled that Nix could be starting and it's my guess that Kenny is looking for an upgrade.

Lip

I sincerely hope this signals a move of Ramirez to 2nd, Beckham to SS, and a 3B from somewhere...and NOT Nix anywhere near a starting lineup.

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:05 PM
Then everybody in the press missed it, because all I have seen are comments that Ozzie loves Getz and plans on him being the starter at 2B for a long time.

This trade seems weird - trade one of Ozzie's (supposed) favorite players, trade power for speed. Kenny has been quoted as saying the power era is over, and baseball is going back to the way it was before PEDs.

I don't understand.

Again: what?

1)Teahen is NOT power.
2)Teahen, though a big guy, is NOT slow.

doublem23
11-05-2009, 12:06 PM
http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/1867251,teahen-getz-fields-white-sox-trade-05.article

I'll wait til a real news source reports it.

HangWiffum
11-05-2009, 12:07 PM
Hmm...I'm missing where Teahen is considered powerful, in any way.

or good.

fram40
11-05-2009, 12:07 PM
Again: what?

Oops I meant speed for power

doublem23
11-05-2009, 12:08 PM
Again: what?

Yeah, I don't know where that is coming from. Teahen averages 14 HR per 162 G and has a career OPS+ under 100

:praying: this is all just a sick, sadistic joke.

Mark Teahen's not starting on a team that has goals of making the play-offs.

spawn
11-05-2009, 12:08 PM
Check What's the Score, that's where trade threads go until officially confirmed.
I would think the first thing anyone would do when hearing about a rumored trade such as this would be to do a search to see if a thread has been posted before posting a new one.

gobears1987
11-05-2009, 12:09 PM
I sincerely hope this signals a move of Ramirez to 2nd, Beckham to SS, and a 3B from somewhere...and NOT Nix anywhere near a starting lineup.

Chone Figgins?

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:09 PM
or good.

Depends on the role he's playing. As a role player, like Mark Derosa, there are not many like that around who can play everyday at a different position and not be a liability offensively or defensively. As an everyday third baseman or right fielder, please shoot me.

jsg-07
11-05-2009, 12:12 PM
In terms of Chone Figgins or any other FA for that matter, when is Kenny officially allowed to negotiate / offer anything to those guys?

HangWiffum
11-05-2009, 12:12 PM
Well we know he's not an everyday player. And the 5 million they are spending on him could be better used on bullpen help.

MushMouth
11-05-2009, 12:13 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1867251,teahen-getz-fields-white-sox-trade-05.article

we lose that speed, gain flexibility, baseball IQ and some pop. I think Teahan can be a solid player for us.

DumpJerry
11-05-2009, 12:13 PM
According to Cot's (http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/kansas-city-royals_28.html), Teahan had a one year deal for 2009 at 3.575M. No mention of an option.

Sounds like he's a FA and where are people getting a 5M figure from?

Boondock Saint
11-05-2009, 12:14 PM
In terms of Chone Figgins or any other FA for that matter, when is Kenny officially allowed to negotiate / offer anything to those guys?

Don't quote me on this, but I think it's fifteen days from today?

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:14 PM
Well we know he's not an everyday player. And the 5 million they are spending on him could be better used on bullpen help.

Seriously? These complaints already? This is day one of the offseason.

Domeshot17
11-05-2009, 12:16 PM
Stay the heck away from Chone Figgins, his speed is declining, Angels letting him walk because he doesn't get along with his team mates and hes going to be severely overpaid. IMHO, go sign Adrian Beltre. Coming off a down year, will be cheap. He will provide much needed power in the middle of the order, going from Seattle to the Cell could push him back into the 30 homer 30 double range, and his glove is fantastic at 3rd. Beltre at 3rd Becks at 2nd and the IF defense is much shored up.

spawn
11-05-2009, 12:16 PM
Seriously? These complaints already? This is day one of the offseason.
Has that ever really mattered?

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:17 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1867251,teahen-getz-fields-white-sox-trade-05.article

we lose that speed, gain flexibility, baseball IQ and some pop. I think Teahan can be a solid player for us.

Again, what kind of pop are we gaining? More than Getz? Sure, but that's about it and not saying much. Also, Teahen, contrary to popular belief around here, is not slow.

gobears1987
11-05-2009, 12:19 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't Teahen one of Buehrle's toughest outs?

spawn
11-05-2009, 12:19 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't Teahen one of Buehrle's toughest outs?
Yep.

cleanwsox
11-05-2009, 12:20 PM
According to Cot's (http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/kansas-city-royals_28.html), Teahan had a one year deal for 2009 at 3.575M. No mention of an option.

Sounds like he's a FA and where are people getting a 5M figure from?

He has 2 years of arbitration left before free agency. The 5M is a guess on what he gets next year.

MushMouth
11-05-2009, 12:21 PM
Again, what kind of pop are we gaining? More than Getz? Sure, but that's about it and not saying much. Also, Teahen, contrary to popular belief around here, is not slow.


Not slow, but Getz was a real solid baserunner/base stealer. He was the anti-Owens on the bases.

We'll see how it plays out, I've always liked Teahan's all-around game. Hopefully he can bump up his power at US Cellular. If not, he's still a solid player.

Walker will fix him (10 more hrs, +50k's and -50ba). :redneck

doublem23
11-05-2009, 12:21 PM
Well at least we got rid of Fields.

fram40
11-05-2009, 12:22 PM
Yeah, I don't know where that is coming from. Teahen averages 14 HR per 162 G and has a career OPS+ under 1.000.

:praying: this is all just a sick, sadistic joke.

Mark Teahen's not starting on a team that has goals of making the play-offs.

That's what I get for listening to the clowns on the radio rather than looking at the stats myself. Given that Teahen is not a power guy, this trades makes even less sense now that I have looked at the stats.

This trade rumor is not a joke and I don't see how this improves the team.

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:22 PM
Teahen, not Teahan. Let's get his name right the first day at least.

nasox
11-05-2009, 12:23 PM
This better be a joke. That is all.

DumpJerry
11-05-2009, 12:23 PM
Again, what kind of pop are we gaining? More than Getz? Sure, but that's about it and not saying much. Also, Teahen, contrary to popular belief around here, is not slow.
34 doubles last year (571 Plate appearances). Konerko led the Sox last year with 30 (621 Plate appearances).

KenBerryGrab
11-05-2009, 12:24 PM
Placido Polanco, come on down!

palehozenychicty
11-05-2009, 12:25 PM
I don't know if he's a starter, but I'll take him to play several times/week. Getz was a decent player who could've led off, but it's all good. They probably think that Mitchell and/or Danks will be up in '11 or '12.

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:25 PM
34 doubles last year (571 Plate appearances). Konerko led the Sox last year with 30 (621 Plate appearances).

Beckham would have hit around 40-45 in a full year (28 in 378).

And again, more power than Getz, still not powerful.

doublem23
11-05-2009, 12:26 PM
Placido Polanco, come on down!

There's a move I could get behind.

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 12:27 PM
Hawk used to really love Teahan. But he was starting to sour on him in 2009 thinking the breakout probably wasn't going to happen. Considering the money the Sox will pick up if KC isn't throwing any their way, I find this trade puzzling especially if the plan is to play Teahan in RF.

Domeshot17
11-05-2009, 12:29 PM
There could also be the possibility NIX is gone and Teahan is the primary IF back up with Kotsay as the OF.

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:29 PM
Hawk used to really love Teahan. But he was starting to sour on him in 2009 thinking the breakout probably wasn't going to happen. Considering the money the Sox will pick up if KC isn't throwing any their way, I find this trade puzzling especially if the plan is to play Teahan in RF.

I was going to mention this, it's like Hawk is running the team. He loved Rios, as well (compared him to A-Rod a few years ago). Who's next? Carlos Gomez? :puking:

DSpivack
11-05-2009, 12:30 PM
There could also be the possibility NIX is gone and Teahan is the primary IF back up with Kotsay as the OF.

I don't think Teahen can play SS.

Madvora
11-05-2009, 12:32 PM
I remember Teahen being kind of a Sox killer so it's good to be done with that. Losing Fields and Getz really isn't much. I liked Getz, but we pretty had two of the same guy at the position. Nix is probably a little better.
Teahen bats lefty, so that's one thing they were probably looking at. Also, he can play all over the place.

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:32 PM
There could also be the possibility NIX is gone and Teahan is the primary IF back up with Kotsay as the OF.

Why reserve Teahen only for the infield when he's a pretty good outfielder?

Nix is a pretty bad utility guy, though. The idea was for him to probably step in as Juan Uribe, but he's no where near Uribe defensively at any position.

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:33 PM
I don't think Teahen can play SS.

Neither can Nix.

seventyseven
11-05-2009, 12:33 PM
I don't understand what's not to like here. Teahen is a solid hitter who plays good defense, won't clog up the bases, and has positional versatility. Getz was never going to be an allstar.

khan
11-05-2009, 12:35 PM
The only thing that excites me about this trade is that [perhaps] it means that KW has more money to work with this offseason.

I don't think that Teahen is a starting player at any position on the field, except for @ 2nd. To me, Teahen's most valuable attribute is his versatility. But he doesn't have a plus in any of the "tools," if memory serves. [Hit for average; Hit for power; Eye; Speed/baserunning; Throwing arm; Fielding]

If he does have a "plus" in any of the areas, I don't see how his plusses are worth the salary, to tell you the truth. That is, unless he's slated to be a bench player...

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 12:38 PM
I don't understand what's not to like here. Teahen is a solid hitter who plays good defense, won't clog up the bases, and has positional versatility. Getz was never going to be an allstar.

The thought by many baseball people was that Teahan was going to breakout and be a 30 homer type. It hasn't happened yet. What you have right now is a guy who has a very similar BA and OBP as Getz, doesn't steal as much, strikes out a ton more and will hit you 10 more homers a year, and cost $4.5 million more a year, and that is comparing him with Getz as a rookie. Obviously, the Sox think the best is yet to come from Teahan. I hope they are right.

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 12:39 PM
[QUOTE=khan;2379033]The only thing that excites me about this trade is that [perhaps] it means that KW has more money to work with this offseason.

QUOTE]
If he does, he just spent $5 million of it.

hi im skot
11-05-2009, 12:39 PM
Not thrilled with this trade, but there's a whole lot of offseason left.

In Kenny I trust.

khan
11-05-2009, 12:39 PM
I don't understand what's not to like here. Teahen is a solid hitter who plays good defense, won't clog up the bases, and has positional versatility. Getz was never going to be an allstar.

I agree with the positives about Teahen. But his last contract was @ $3.575M/yr according to Cots; That $3.575M in 2009 will likely have to be $5M+ in 2010 and beyond. To me, Teahen's qualities aren't worth $5M/yr.

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:41 PM
The thought by many baseball people was that Teahan was going to breakout and be a 30 homer type. It hasn't happened yet. What you have right now is a guy who has a very similar BA and OBP as Getz, doesn't steal as much, strikes out a ton more and will hit you 10 more homers a year, and cost $4.5 million more a year, and that is comparing him with Getz as a rookie. Obviously, the Sox think the best is yet to come from Teahan. I hope they are right.

You also have a guy that can play about five positions (Getz can only play 2B) and one who is going to hit more extra base hits, overall.

Daver
11-05-2009, 12:41 PM
I agree with the positives about Teahen. But his last contract was @ $3.575M/yr according to Cots; That $3.575M in 2009 will likely have to be $5M+ in 2010 and beyond. To me, Teahen's qualities aren't worth $5M/yr.

You don't sign his paycheck.

kobo
11-05-2009, 12:41 PM
The thought by many baseball people was that Teahan was going to breakout and be a 30 homer type. It hasn't happened yet. What you have right now is a guy who has a very similar BA and OBP as Getz, doesn't steal as much, strikes out a ton more and will hit you 10 more homers a year, and cost $4.5 million more a year, and that is comparing him with Getz as a rookie. Obviously, the Sox think the best is yet to come from Teahan. I hope they are right.
Sweet! Another OF who has potential but hasn't lived up to it yet.

soltrain21
11-05-2009, 12:46 PM
You don't sign his paycheck.

I love when people make payroll complaints around here about how much a guy is making.

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 12:47 PM
You don't sign his paycheck.

Yes, but we root for a team constantly mentioning they don't have any money to spend. White Sox fans always have to think about budget.

Craig Grebeck
11-05-2009, 12:47 PM
I have no idea what the Royals are thinking. This move doesn't make a ton of sense from either perspective. We'll have to see how it shakes out.

Balfanman
11-05-2009, 12:48 PM
Sweet! Another OF who has potential but hasn't lived up to it yet.

How much do you think that hitting at the Cell, rather than Kaufman Stadium will help him? I think that it's entirely possible that Teahen could turn into a 25 - 30 hr, 80 - 90 rbi guy if you leave him at 3rd and not move him all over the field like the Royals did. JMHO

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:48 PM
Yes, but we root for a team constantly mentioning they don't have any money to spend. White Sox fans always have to think about budget.

The Yankees just won the World Series yesterday.

VeeckAsInWreck
11-05-2009, 12:49 PM
Nice to see we're making a deal with KC again. At least we're not getting one of their relievers :(:

hi im skot
11-05-2009, 12:49 PM
How much do you think that hitting at the Cell, rather than Kaufman Stadium will help him? I think that it's entirely possible that Teahen could turn into a 25 - 30 hr, 80 - 90 rbi guy if you leave him at 3rd and not move him all over the field like the Royals did. JMHO

I'll have what you're having.

khan
11-05-2009, 12:50 PM
I love when people make payroll complaints around here about how much a guy is making.

In the context of being a fan of a team that admits to having budgetary constraints, I think it's valid to do so. Particularly in a [thus-far] middling performer like Teahen at a price point that he is likely to command.

If we were Yankees fans, then I'd agree with you: There would then be absolutely no reason to ever trifle with salary.

veeter
11-05-2009, 12:51 PM
You also have a guy that can play about five positions (Getz can only play 2B) and one who is going to hit more extra base hits, overall.But the Sox just go a lot slower. Teahen is versatile, but I've just never liked him. Maybe because jackass Hawk loves him so much. No doubt, though, this is only one of several moves to come from Kenny.

kobo
11-05-2009, 12:51 PM
How much do you think that hitting at the Cell, rather than Kaufman Stadium will help him? I think that it's entirely possible that Teahen could turn into a 25 - 30 hr, 80 - 90 rbi guy if you leave him at 3rd and not move him all over the field like the Royals did. JMHO
Maybe. But who knows. Just not very thrilled the Sox have another outfielder with potential that has yet to live up to that potential. And I don't think Teahen will be playing 3rd, at least not everyday. In fact, I don't understand why anyone thinks they are going to move Beckham and Alexei around. Both showed improvement at the end of the season at their respective positions, it would not make sense to move them to different positions next season.

JermaineDye05
11-05-2009, 12:52 PM
Am I jumping the gun if I want to declare this Two-Sox Thursday?

http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/danceswithwolves_se_02.jpg

asindc
11-05-2009, 12:52 PM
Yes, but we root for a team constantly mentioning they don't have any money to spend. White Sox fans always have to think about budget.

All fans have to think about budget. Otherwise, the discussion would a lot different. For instance, Teahen is better than Getz, and Fields might not make the KC opening day roster. If that is all you knew about the players, then it would seem like a no-brainer trade for the Sox. You have to, however, take into account that Teahen made $3.75 million last year and will probably make more this year, while Getz made only $500,000 last year. Knowing that makes the deal much less than a "no-brainer" IMO.

Balfanman
11-05-2009, 12:52 PM
I have no idea what the Royals are thinking. This move doesn't make a ton of sense from either perspective. We'll have to see how it shakes out.

Maybe they just didn't have a place for him. He's primarily a 3rd baseman isn't he? Could be that Teahen didn't like moving all over the field and mentioned to management that if he wasn't in their plans for 3rd, then let me go elsewhere. This would make this a swap of 3rd basemen who couldn't make it on their current teams, so they were traded for each other with Getz thrown in. A change of scenery type move.

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:53 PM
But the Sox just go a lot slower. Teahen is versatile, but I've just never liked him. Maybe because jackass Hawk loves him so much. No doubt, though, this is only one of several moves to come from Kenny.

They did not get "a lot" slower, Teahen is not slow. Perhaps you've forgotten the many times Teahen has rumbled around the bases against us. He's a big guy, but he moves really well. They did get more athletic.

veeter
11-05-2009, 12:54 PM
They did not get "a lot" slower, Teahen is not slow. Perhaps you've forgotten the many times Teahen has rumbled around the bases against us. They did get more athletic.A little slower?

Craig Grebeck
11-05-2009, 12:55 PM
Maybe they just didn't have a place for him. He's primarily a 3rd baseman isn't he? Could be that Teahen didn't like moving all over the field and mentioned to management that if he wasn't in their plans for 3rd, then let me go elsewhere. This would make this a swap of 3rd basemen who couldn't make it on their current teams, so they were traded for each other with Getz thrown in. A change of scenery type move.
It's more that Fields sucks and Getz is blocked by a far, far superior 2nd baseman.

Teahen also sucks. I guess the problem from our perspective is that we are spending a lot of money for their bag of crap.

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:56 PM
A little slower?

Perhaps, but also take into account that Dye and Thome are being dropped out of the lineup. Also, let's wait and see who will be manning second base and what kind of leadoff hitter (if any), Kenny brings in.

Hopefully Teahen is used like Mark Derosa, then we didn't get slower at all. We got a lot more athletic.

Athrun
11-05-2009, 12:56 PM
How much do you think that hitting at the Cell, rather than Kaufman Stadium will help him? I think that it's entirely possible that Teahen could turn into a 25 - 30 hr, 80 - 90 rbi guy if you leave him at 3rd and not move him all over the field like the Royals did. JMHO
Whens the last time that actually worked out for us? Everyone coming here seems to get worse instead of better.

veeter
11-05-2009, 12:56 PM
How much do you think that hitting at the Cell, rather than Kaufman Stadium will help him? I think that it's entirely possible that Teahen could turn into a 25 - 30 hr, 80 - 90 rbi guy if you leave him at 3rd and not move him all over the field like the Royals did. JMHOThe guy who doesn't need top be moved all over the field is Beckham. Leave HIM at third.

khan
11-05-2009, 12:57 PM
The Yankees just won the World Series yesterday.

Yes they did. But will that actually get The Chairman to open up the checkbook? I'm not too sure. I hope so, and that Teahen-as-a-$5M/yr-reserve is but one example of this in the offseason. But we've heard just the opposite for years from this organization.

If JR's opening up the checkbook, then this is a good move for this team. If not, then maybe not so much...

veeter
11-05-2009, 12:57 PM
Perhaps, but also take into account that Dye and Thome are being dropped out of the lineup. Also, let's wait and see who will be manning second base and what kind of leadoff hitter (if any), Kenny brings in.Sounds good.

Rockabilly
11-05-2009, 12:57 PM
Nice to see we're making a deal with KC again. At least we're not getting one of their relievers :(:


I would take Soria in a heartbeat..

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 12:58 PM
They did not get "a lot" slower, Teahen is not slow. Perhaps you've forgotten the many times Teahen has rumbled around the bases against us. He's a big guy, but he moves really well. They did get more athletic.
He's slower than Getz and not nearly the basestealer.

veeter
11-05-2009, 12:59 PM
Whens the last time that actually worked out for us? Everyone coming here seems to get worse instead of better.Jose Valentin and Scotty Pods come to mind. Milwaukee cast-offs have been good to the Sox. Kenny is surely hoping for the 'Cell Spike' from Teahen and Rios.

oeo
11-05-2009, 12:59 PM
Yes they did. But will that actually get The Chairman to open up the checkbook? I'm not too sure. I hope so, and that Teahen-as-a-$5M/yr-reserve is but one example of this in the offseason. But we've heard just the opposite for years from this organization.

If JR's opening up the checkbook, then this is a good move for this team. If not, then maybe not so much...

I'm not saying that 'the checkbook will be opened.' I'm saying there is an entire offseason ahead of us. Guys can be moved to open up salary space. And we do not need to make all our moves through free agency. There are other avenues.

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 01:00 PM
How much do you think that hitting at the Cell, rather than Kaufman Stadium will help him? I think that it's entirely possible that Teahen could turn into a 25 - 30 hr, 80 - 90 rbi guy if you leave him at 3rd and not move him all over the field like the Royals did. JMHO
It will probably help him as much as getting into USCF and out of Oakland help Dirty Thirty.

Balfanman
11-05-2009, 01:00 PM
It's more that Fields sucks and Getz is blocked by a far, far superior 2nd baseman.

Teahen also sucks. I guess the problem from our perspective is that we are spending a lot of money for their bag of crap.

You could be right, who knows? I do think that the type of hitter Getz is has a chance to flourish at Kaufman Stadium. You could see a lot of doubles and triples from him next season.

Lip Man 1
11-05-2009, 01:00 PM
Dick:

Chris Getz was a player with limited upside. He's fast, stole a lot of bases but had baseball issues in the field (i.e. positioning himself on relays, throws from the catcher and so on...) which was surprising considering he went to Michigan which is a good college program. (Remember both Kenny and Ozzie talked about defensive improvement in 2010)

He also couldn't hit for any power and by power I don't mean home runs (which the Sox are getting away from) but extra base hits.

I think he would have been fine (and said so in the past) as a utility player but not as an everyday starting second baseman.

I can't see the Sox moving Beckham to a second position in two years myself but we'll see.

I think Mark is going to play right field and the Sox are going to make a move for a second baseman (could they possibly go after Figgins now?)... or a shortstop which would mean a move of Ramirez back to second where he performed very well in 2008.

Kenny isn't wasting time nor should he...two losing seasons in three years requires immediate action.

Lip

BainesHOF
11-05-2009, 01:00 PM
Thoughts?

I don't like the thought of losing Getz's left handed bat. Hopefully Nix raises his average .075 points next year with regular playing time.


The more Nix played, the worse he got.

oeo
11-05-2009, 01:01 PM
He's slower than Getz and not nearly the basestealer.

He's not replacing Getz!

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 01:01 PM
The Yankees just won the World Series yesterday.
Yes, but the $5 million Teahan is paid could be used for something else. There is supposed to be a glut of players who will wind up playing for peanuts. Who knows, Teahan might have been acquired to be traded, but if he's in RF, he better be a better player than he has been the past couple of years or the fire Walker people will be screaming from the get go.

veeter
11-05-2009, 01:02 PM
He's not replacing Getz!Iwamura would have been perfect.

khan
11-05-2009, 01:02 PM
It's more that Fields sucks and Getz is blocked by a far, far superior 2nd baseman.

Teahen also sucks. I guess the problem from our perspective is that we are spending a lot of money for their bag of crap.

What he said.

The Immigrant
11-05-2009, 01:02 PM
I would take Soria in a heartbeat..

...or Cruz...or Tejeda...

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 01:03 PM
He's not replacing Getz!
Chances are, whoever starts at 2nd, and if it is Beckham, than Teahan would be replacing Getz if he's at 3B, cannot run with Getz. If Teahan plays like he did at KC he will not be a popular player at USCF.

TheOldRoman
11-05-2009, 01:04 PM
It's more that Fields sucks and Getz is blocked by a far, far superior 2nd baseman.Come again?
Edit: Nevermind.

parlaycard
11-05-2009, 01:05 PM
WE.
ARE.
NOT.
GETTING.
CHONE.
FIGGINS.


end of discussion!!!


thank you. why EVERY SINGLE YEAR, do Sox fans latch onto one free agent and think the Sox are going to get that player? Im pretty sure the guy rumored to go to the Sox has never happened.

Figgins isnt even a rumor, hes a dream. A pipe dream

oeo
11-05-2009, 01:05 PM
Come again?

Alberto Callaspo >>>> Chris Getz.

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 01:06 PM
Dick:

Chris Getz was a player with limited upside. He's fast, stole a lot of bases but had baseball issues in the field (i.e. positioning himself on relays, throws from the catcher and so on...) which was surprising considering he went to Michigan which is a good college program. (Remember both Kenny and Ozzie talked about defensive improvement in 2010)

He also couldn't hit for any power and by power I don't mean home runs (which the Sox are getting away from) but extra base hits.

I think he would have been fine (and said so in the past) as a utility player but not as an everyday starting second baseman.

I can't see the Sox moving Beckham to a second position in two years myself but we'll see.

I think Mark is going to play right field and the Sox are going to make a move for a second baseman (could they possibly go after Figgins now?)... or a shortstop which would mean a move of Ramirez back to second where he performed very well in 2008.

Kenny isn't wasting time nor should he...two losing seasons in three years requires immediate action.

Lip


Why would adding $5 million to the payroll open the door for Figgins. If anything, it shuts it even further. 12 hr 50 rbi and a $5 million salary doesn't seem like much of a prize to me. At least Getz played for near minimum.

oeo
11-05-2009, 01:06 PM
thank you. why EVERY SINGLE YEAR, do Sox fans latch onto one free agent and think the Sox are going to get that player? Im pretty sure the guy rumored to go to the Sox has never happened.

Figgins isnt even a rumor, hes a dream. A pipe dream

He's the worst pipe dream around here then. Stay far away from Figgins. Far away.

TheOldRoman
11-05-2009, 01:07 PM
Alberto Callaspo >>>> Chris Getz.
Ahh, I misread. I thought he was saying that Getz was blocked by a better player on the Sox, i.e. Nix.

JB98
11-05-2009, 01:07 PM
I'll wait to see how they plan to use Teahan before I judge this trade.

I don't think Teahan's bat is good enough to play every day at a corner position. He has a lot of versatility, which is a plus. If he's playing three or four times a week in a "superutility" role, I like the move. I don't like Teahan as an everyday RF.

Fields was a bust and needed to go. I like Getz, but there's nothing really special about his game. He's replaceable.

FielderJones
11-05-2009, 01:08 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091105&content_id=7626428&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

soltrain21
11-05-2009, 01:08 PM
Chances are, whoever starts at 2nd, and if it is Beckham, than Teahan would be replacing Getz if he's at 3B, cannot run with Getz. If Teahan plays like he did at KC he will not be a popular player at USCF.

He hit .271 with 34 doubles. That's not very terrible. I'm guessing Teahen is playing RF and we have a second baseman like Polanco next year.

Teahen + Polanco > Getz + Dye

LoveYourSuit
11-05-2009, 01:08 PM
IF one thing Kenny has shown us is grabbing guys who have not reached their full potential on other teams and then they have success here. Teahan was a big prospect when drafted.


Teahan is only 28 years old. Carlos Quentin is 27. So I like this move because I think there is un-tapped potential here with this guy.

getonbckthr
11-05-2009, 01:09 PM
- We add about 4 million (after eventual arbitration)
- IMO we downgraded our team
- Any chance at Figgins is gone with the added salary
- Ummm where is our speed coming from?

thomas35forever
11-05-2009, 01:11 PM
I knew Fields was getting traded, but not Getz. Does this mean Nix is our starting second baseman? Or is Alexei moving back to second and Beckham back to short to put Teahen in the hot corner? I like Nix, but I don't know if he's ready to start every day yet. We'll wait and see how this turns out.

The season's been over for less than a day and we're already making deals.

Zisk77
11-05-2009, 01:11 PM
Also, I know Callaspo is a wife beater and all, but why the hell would they put Getz at second base instead of him? Alberto is far better.


callaspo can't catch the ball.

soltrain21
11-05-2009, 01:12 PM
- We add about 4 million (after eventual arbitration)
- IMO we downgraded our team
- Any chance at Figgins is gone with the added salary
- Ummm where is our speed coming from?

Ha. It's the first day of the off-season and Kenny is completely done. Hilarious.

cws05champ
11-05-2009, 01:12 PM
thank you. why EVERY SINGLE YEAR, do Sox fans latch onto one free agent and think the Sox are going to get that player? Im pretty sure the guy rumored to go to the Sox has never happened.

Figgins isnt even a rumor, hes a dream. A pipe dream

I think we just need to pay attention who the Cubs are rumored to acquire...the Sox will probably get them instead (Peavy, now Teahan). Will Aaron Rowand be next?

LoveYourSuit
11-05-2009, 01:12 PM
callaspo can't catch the ball.


Not a strong quality for Getz either.

oeo
11-05-2009, 01:14 PM
- We add about 4 million (after eventual arbitration)
- IMO we downgraded our team
- Any chance at Figgins is gone with the added salary
- Ummm where is our speed coming from?

-Boo hoo.
-Not true, we added more athleticism.
-Good. Figgins was and never will be worth the contract he's going to get.
-All over the field. Rios, Beckham, Ramirez, Teahen, Pods (hopefully someone else, but we'll put him there anyway). Speed does not need to mean stolen bases. Just needs to mean we can go first to third with consistency. That four hits in an inning means we come away with at least a run. That every ground ball in the infield with a man on first doesn't mean a double play. That the 'long singles' end (looking at you, Thome).

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 01:14 PM
He hit .271 with 34 doubles. That's not very terrible. I'm guessing Teahen is playing RF and we have a second baseman like Polanco next year.

Teahen + Polanco > Getz + Dye

12 homers 50 rbi 130k and a low OBP. If a White Sox did that you would say he was bad and the hitting coach needs to get fired. In his last 250 AB he hit 3 homers.

khan
11-05-2009, 01:15 PM
He hit .271 with 34 doubles. That's not very terrible. I'm guessing Teahen is playing RF and we have a second baseman like Polanco next year.
Teahen also slugged only .408 last year, which is decidedly the worst slugging for ANY [EDIT] decent RF in the AL. His OPS is less than .800 for his career. He will also make $5M/year, starting next year.

Teahen + Polanco > Getz + Dye
Polanco was @ $4.6M/yr last year. Getz was @ the minimum, and Dye could likely be had for less than the combination of what Teahen and Polanco make. I'm not convinced that the performance of the former is superior than the latter. When considering the budget, I'm even LESS convinced of this equation you post.

doublem23
11-05-2009, 01:16 PM
Polanco was @ $4.6M/yr last year. Getz was @ the minimum, and Dye could likely be had for less than the combination of what Teahen and Polanco make.

Dye's option is for $10 M.

BadBobbyJenks
11-05-2009, 01:16 PM
Never been sold on Getz, this is fine with me.

LoveYourSuit
11-05-2009, 01:17 PM
- We add about 4 million (after eventual arbitration)
- IMO we downgraded our team
- Any chance at Figgins is gone with the added salary
- Ummm where is our speed coming from?


The team is lacking a ton of thump in the middle of the order more than they are lacking speed right now. Not saying Teahan is a thumper, but at his age there still might be something in there.

soltrain21
11-05-2009, 01:18 PM
Teahen also slugged only .408 last year, which is decidedly the worst slugging for ANY RF in the AL. His OPS is less than .800 for his career. He will also make $5M/year, starting next year.


Polanco was @ $4.6M/yr last year. Getz was @ the minimum, and Dye could likely be had for less than the combination of what Teahen and Polanco make. I'm not convinced that the performance of the former is superior than the latter. When considering the budget, I'm even LESS convinced of this equation you post.


How in the hell do you know what the budget is? Please, enlighten me to tell me how much the Sox can spend this off season.

soltrain21
11-05-2009, 01:19 PM
12 homers 50 rbi 130k and a low OBP. If a White Sox did that you would say he was bad and the hitting coach needs to get fired. In his last 250 AB he hit 3 homers.

Well, I've never once said a hitting coach needs to get fired. So that is doubtful.

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 01:19 PM
Teahen also slugged only .408 last year, which is decidedly the worst slugging for ANY RF in the AL. His OPS is less than .800 for his career. He will also make $5M/year, starting next year.


Polanco was @ $4.6M/yr last year. Getz was @ the minimum, and Dye could likely be had for less than the combination of what Teahen and Polanco make. I'm not convinced that the performance of the former is superior than the latter. When considering the budget, I'm even LESS convinced of this equation you post.

Teahan has slugged between .406 and .410 the past 3 years. I hope he spikes because I'm with you , $5 million for what he has been is ridiculous in this market.

kobo
11-05-2009, 01:21 PM
The team is lacking a ton of thump in the middle of the order more than they are lacking speed right now. Not saying Teahan is a thumper, but at his age there still might be something in there.
They still need to get some type of bat for the middle of the order.

khan
11-05-2009, 01:21 PM
Dye's option is for $10 M.

Sure. But everyone knows that he will be bought out @ $1M. My postulate is that he would be more willing to sign here for less than he would elsewhere, even at this point.

He won't play on the right coast, which limits the number of suitors. His performance at the end of last season, while disappointing, is not [IMO] indicative of what kind of player he is at this point. But that performance will further attenuate his value in FA. I think JD could be re-signed here for ~$5M to $7M/yr + incentives.

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 01:21 PM
How in the hell do you know what the budget is? Please, enlighten me to tell me how much the Sox can spend this off season.
Considering KW said and I know he was joking, that they would have to play day games at the end of 2009 because they couldn't afford the electric bill, and the history of this team, it seems reasonable that the payroll isn't going much if any higher than $95 million. Now they have 8 or 9 guys taking up $80 million. There's not much left.

sullythered
11-05-2009, 01:21 PM
I kinda liked Getz, but more as a backup kinda guy. I don't really love Teahan, either, but this makes things interesting as far as what we do next.

Lip Man 1
11-05-2009, 01:22 PM
Good point Sol.

I don't expect the Sox to go "Yankee like" but considering attendance has dropped 600,000 since the end of the 2006 season and with two losing years in the last three you damn well better start doing something if you want to keep your ticket holders and advertisers from really leaving.

The Sox may feel this year they have to start doing some things budget or not PLUS we don't know how the off season is going to go money wise in MLB MANY 'experts' are predicting it will be the same as last year...a lot of good players looking for work in January / February in a buyer's market.

Lip

getonbckthr
11-05-2009, 01:22 PM
Ha. It's the first day of the off-season and Kenny is completely done. Hilarious.
We are already almost at the budget. We add 4 million possibly more pending arbitration on garbage. Where is the money gonna come from to add more players?

cws05champ
11-05-2009, 01:22 PM
Dye's option is for $10 M.

Nope, $12M with a $1M buyout.

munchman33
11-05-2009, 01:23 PM
I am beyond ecstatic that Chris Getz is gone. Not that he wasn't a valuable piece, but the impression held by some he was anything other than a 24th or 25th guy on the roster was starting to get annoying.

getonbckthr
11-05-2009, 01:23 PM
The team is lacking a ton of thump in the middle of the order more than they are lacking speed right now. Not saying Teahan is a thumper, but at his age there still might be something in there.
Teahan doesnt really add thump and takes away speed. Teahan sucks!

PeoriaSoxFan
11-05-2009, 01:24 PM
Assuming no other infield moves are made, CJ Retherford could be in line for a shot at 2nd.

soltrain21
11-05-2009, 01:24 PM
We are already almost at the budget. We add 4 million possibly more pending arbitration on garbage. Where is the money gonna come from to add more players?

Would you please post the spreadsheet and all the data Kenny has sent you in regards to the White Sox spending in 2010 and beyond?

Thanks.

oeo
11-05-2009, 01:24 PM
Teahan doesnt really add thump and takes away speed. Teahan sucks!

Second time, and still wrong.

Zisk77
11-05-2009, 01:25 PM
The Sox trade speed for power, imagine that. (And not even good power, Ryan Sweeney power)

I just don't see the upside from the Sox perspective. Why add another high-strikeout, low-OBP guy? How does this improve the team?


Ok didn't have time to read all the posts but:

Teahen can RUN...so no it wasn't speed for power, we got speed and power.

to Grebeck. Teahen was more than competant at 3b...but they had the phenom Gordan coming up. Teahen is also a solid OF.

It isn't a stretch to think he'll have breakout seasons with us. He has all the tools but had to learn a new defensive position every year in KC. This obviously retarded his hitting development.

JermaineDye05
11-05-2009, 01:26 PM
Teahan doesnt really add thump and takes away speed. Teahan sucks!

Dear God, it's Javy Vasquez all over again!

dickallen15
11-05-2009, 01:26 PM
Second time, and still wrong.
So losing Getz doesn't make the White Sox slower?