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Brian26
10-12-2009, 09:20 PM
Rematch of the 2008 and 1983 NLCS.

BBaum21
10-12-2009, 09:23 PM
Rematch of the 2007 and 1983 NLCS.

The Dodgers and Phillies met in last year's NLCS, not 2007. 2007 was the Diamondbacks and Rockies.

Brian26
10-12-2009, 09:24 PM
The Dodgers and Phillies met in last year's NLCS, not 2007. 2007 was the Diamondbacks and Rockies.

Yep, I just came back to change that. Good call.

JermaineDye05
10-12-2009, 09:36 PM
Go Dodgers.

Andre Ethier is my early pick for the MVP.

PKalltheway
10-12-2009, 09:48 PM
Rematch of the 2008 and 1983 NLCS.
Don't forget 1977 and 1978. This is the fifth time these two teams have met in the NLCS. I'll take the Dodgers in a hard-fought seven games.

Pear-Zin-Ski
10-12-2009, 11:05 PM
I think I'm gonna just watch the series and not root for either team - I like both way too much!

I'm gonna say a Halos-Dodgers WS with the men in blue taking the series in 6.

guillensdisciple
10-12-2009, 11:22 PM
I think I'm gonna just watch the series and not root for either team - I like both way too much!

I'm gonna say a Halos-Dodgers WS with the men in blue taking the series in 6.


I agree with the World Series prediction, but this whole Adenhardt thing is making it look like the Angels are a team of destiny this year.

JermaineDye05
10-13-2009, 12:54 AM
I agree with the World Series prediction, but this whole Adenhardt thing is making it look like the Angels are a team of destiny this year.

One could say the same thing about the Phillies and Harry Kalas. How weird is it that they both clinched by coming back in the 9th with 2 outs and a 2 run deficit?

Foulke You
10-13-2009, 12:18 PM
I think I'm gonna just watch the series and not root for either team - I like both way too much!

I'm gonna say a Halos-Dodgers WS with the men in blue taking the series in 6.
Halos/Dodgers could be a reality but I don't see the Dodgers winning more than one game against that Angels team.

downstairs
10-13-2009, 01:11 PM
This one is going to be close. I want the Phils to win, but I think its a crapshoot and will go seven.

#1swisher
10-15-2009, 12:29 PM
Game 1 TBS 8:07 ET Thursday

Two Southpaws

PHI Cole Hamels
LAD Clayton Kershaw

soxinem1
10-15-2009, 01:54 PM
Game 1 TBS 8:07 ET Thursday

Two Southpaws

PHI Cole Hamels
LAD Clayton Kershaw

As long as he keeps pounding the corners and gets 'em to chase one outside, he might be tough.:cool:

ewokpelts
10-15-2009, 03:46 PM
jon garland was removed from the playoff roster

TommyJohn
10-15-2009, 04:29 PM
As long as he keeps pounding the corners and gets 'em to chase one outside, he might be tough.:cool:I can't STAND that commercial!! That dweeb annoys the hell out of me!! I wanna revoke that guy's SAG card! DWEEB!! ARRGH!!

Bucky F. Dent
10-15-2009, 08:45 PM
Why did Torre leave Kershaw in for so long????

SoxGirl4Life
10-15-2009, 09:33 PM
c'mon Jimmy!

Brian26
10-15-2009, 09:35 PM
Randy Wolf pulling a Royce Clayton in the dugout.

JermaineDye05
10-15-2009, 10:11 PM
I smell an Ethier walk-off if the Dodgers can keep this one with a run or 2.

SoxGirl4Life
10-15-2009, 10:17 PM
Dagger.. :(:

GoGoCrede
10-15-2009, 10:26 PM
Tough break. Can they come back from this? That's what makes the playoffs so exciting. Dodgers haven't done well with RISP tonight.

Go Thome. :smile: Man, my Dodger fan friends must be flipping out.

GoGoCrede
10-15-2009, 10:28 PM
Three straight hits, no outs. :bandance: 8-5.

JermaineDye05
10-15-2009, 10:41 PM
God, I love Ethier. He's turning into some clutch hitter. I know he didn't bring a run in there but he kept the inning alive for Manny.

DSpivack
10-15-2009, 11:10 PM
Champs take Game 1.

slavko
10-15-2009, 11:43 PM
What the teacupping home plate umpire did to that kid starter is criminal. I don't like wide strike zones, but this guy was bruuuuutal.

Gotta say it again: home plate umpire is the most important guy on the field.

Hitmen77
10-15-2009, 11:44 PM
Don't forget 1977 and 1978. This is the fifth time these two teams have met in the NLCS. I'll take the Dodgers in a hard-fought seven games.

This year marks the 40th anniversary of the NLCS and ALCS.

In the 40 NLCSs since they were added to baseball's postseason in 1969, the Phillies have now appeared in 8 and the Dodgers in 9......I believe the Braves lead all NL teams with 11 appearances.

TommyJohn
10-16-2009, 08:20 AM
This year marks the 40th anniversary of the NLCS and ALCS.

That's right. Reminds me of a piece of trivia I saw here on WSI: Only two teams have participated in the LCS every decade since its inception in 1969: The New York Mets and...the Minnesota Twins.

Chez
10-16-2009, 10:50 AM
Great game but Ron Darling is brutal on TBS. Did anyone else catch what he said about Jim Thome when he came up as a pinch hitter? Darling said that "Thome gives the Dodgers a Matt Stairs type bat off the bench." To paraphrase Dave Stewart, "Matt Stairs can't carry Jim Thome's jock-strap." Couldn't believe it.

DSpivack
10-16-2009, 01:46 PM
That's right. Reminds me of a piece of trivia I saw here on WSI: Only two teams have participated in the LCS every decade since its inception in 1969: The New York Mets and...the Minnesota Twins.

Well, the Braves and Orioles were the other teams in 1969, so they'd be the only other ones even eligible for that stat. The Orioles didn't make it this decade, while the Braves didn't make it in the 70's.

Hitmen77
10-16-2009, 03:05 PM
That's right. Reminds me of a piece of trivia I saw here on WSI: Only two teams have participated in the LCS every decade since its inception in 1969: The New York Mets and...the Minnesota Twins.

I wonder how many teams have made at least one LCS each decade beginning with the 70s.

Speaking of trivia, 29 of the 30 MLB franchises have played in at least one LCS. The only franchise with no LCS appearances is the Texas Rangers. Even the Nationals/Expos franchise played in an LCS (in 1981).

Whappeh
10-16-2009, 05:21 PM
So, I think this question has to be asked:

Padilla went from being a worthless hotheaded thug to a quality pitcher. Any teams going to gamble on him in the future?

JermaineDye05
10-16-2009, 05:40 PM
Come on, Jimmy!!!

JermaineDye05
10-16-2009, 05:43 PM
base hit for Thome!

1st and 3rd 1 out

SOXSINCE'70
10-16-2009, 06:25 PM
Great game but Ron Darling is brutal on TBS.

But he can be topped:

:chimp
"Swung on and belted." :puking::rolleyes:

DSpivack
10-16-2009, 06:30 PM
But he can be topped:

:chimp
"Swung on and belted." :puking::rolleyes:

Joe Buck coming up on Fox! :whiner:

SOXSINCE'70
10-16-2009, 06:36 PM
Joe Buck coming up on Fox! :whiner:

God created the mute button for a reason.:tongue:

I suppose it could be worse. We could be stuck with
Yankmees play by play idiot John Sterling, who gave us,
among other eye rolling quotes, "an a-bomb for a-rod",
"the giambino" (Jason Giambi) or "a 'tex' message" anytime
Texiera homers.:rolleyes:

BTW, Dodgers win.

EndemicSox
10-16-2009, 06:53 PM
I'll be shocked if this isn't the best series in the 2009 playoffs. Hopefully it goes 7...I think the Dodgers win due to Hammels/Lidge not having their best stuff this season...

LA/LA final...

thomas35forever
10-16-2009, 07:13 PM
I'll be shocked if this isn't the best series in the 2009 playoffs. Hopefully it goes 7...I think the Dodgers win due to Hammels/Lidge not having their best stuff this season...

LA/LA final...
And low ratings nationwide save that area.

Boondock Saint
10-16-2009, 07:29 PM
And low ratings nationwide save that area.

I would watch that World Series. I'm hoping for it, actually.

SOXSINCE'70
10-16-2009, 08:32 PM
Joe Buck coming up on Fox! :whiner:

Had to turn off the game. He and MacBarfer were putting me to sleep.:thud:

PKalltheway
10-16-2009, 11:38 PM
I wonder how many teams have made at least one LCS each decade beginning with the 70s.

I am pretty curious about that myself, now that you mentioned it. I looked it up for myself.

New York Yankees
1970s: 1976, 1977, 1978
1980s: 1980, 1981
1990s: 1996, 1998, 1999
2000s: 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2009

Boston Red Sox
1970s: 1975
1980s: 1986, 1988
1990s: 1990, 1999
2000s: 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008

Minnesota Twins
1970s: 1970
1980s: 1987
1990s: 1991
2000s: 2002

New York Mets
1970s: 1973
1980s: 1986, 1988
1990s: 1999
2000s: 2000, 2006

Oakland Athletics
1970s: 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975
1980s: 1981, 1988, 1989
1990s: 1990, 1992
2000s: 2006

Philadelphia Phillies
1970s: 1976, 1977, 1978
1980s: 1980, 1983
1990s: 1993
2000s: 2008, 2009

Hopefully I didn't leave anybody out. Six teams altogether.

Hitmen77
10-17-2009, 08:39 PM
Don't forget 1977 and 1978. This is the fifth time these two teams have met in the NLCS. I'll take the Dodgers in a hard-fought seven games.

They showed game 4 of the 1978 NLCS this afternoon on MLB Network. The Dodgers won this pennant-clinching game 4-3 in 10 innings. Former Sox pitchers Tommy John and Terry Forster were on the Dodgers. Also getting a key "reached on an error" in the 10th was Dusty Baker.

TommyJohn
10-17-2009, 09:20 PM
They showed game 4 of the 1978 NLCS this afternoon on MLB Network. The Dodgers won this pennant-clinching game 4-3 in 10 innings. Former Sox pitchers Tommy John and Terry Forster were on the Dodgers. Also getting a key "reached on an error" in the 10th was Dusty Baker.That Dodger team had a committee of ex-Chicago players-there was John, Forster, and Bill North, Rick Monday and Burt Hooten from the Cubs.

PKalltheway
10-17-2009, 11:32 PM
They showed game 4 of the 1978 NLCS this afternoon on MLB Network. The Dodgers won this pennant-clinching game 4-3 in 10 innings. Former Sox pitchers Tommy John and Terry Forster were on the Dodgers. Also getting a key "reached on an error" in the 10th was Dusty Baker.
I was watching the end of that game today as well. That error also came from Gary Maddox, who would win 8 Gold Gloves throughout the course of his career. At the time, that had to be an absolutely heartbreaking game for Phillies fans.

Hitmen77
10-17-2009, 11:48 PM
I was watching the end of that game today as well. That error also came from Gary Maddox, who would win 8 Gold Gloves throughout the course of his career. At the time, that had to be an absolutely heartbreaking game for Phillies fans.

No doubt. At the time, they were still the only original franchise to never win a World Series.

#1swisher
10-18-2009, 10:30 AM
Game 3 Oct 18,09 8:07PM ET TBS

LAD Hiroki Kuroda

PHI Mark Bowman

TommyJohn
10-18-2009, 10:34 AM
I was watching the end of that game today as well. That error also came from Gary Maddox, who would win 8 Gold Gloves throughout the course of his career. At the time, that had to be an absolutely heartbreaking game for Phillies fans.

No doubt. At the time, they were still the only original franchise to never win a World Series.
Both of you just knock it off. Don't you know that you can't experience TRUE heartbreak unless you are a fan of the Red Sox or Cubs? Their fans have known PAIN, baby. And so the 1978 Phillies lost that game making it 95 years without a world championship. It's not as of it counted. The true, true, true, CRUSHING heartbreak came a few days earlier-when Bucky broke New England's heart. That was truly the day the Earth Stood Still.

Funny, that Maddox play (I remember watching the game as a little kid-rooting hard for the Phillies and standing and watching in silence as Ron Cey dashed across the plate) extended what was then the longest drought in baseball history, but it is forgotten, while that ****ing Bucky Dent home run is treated like a Momentous Event in history. Nauseating.

#1swisher
10-18-2009, 08:43 PM
Game 3 Update
Bottom of the 4th
Joe Torre/Dodgers on their 3rd pitcher

LAD 0
PHI 6

DSpivack
10-18-2009, 08:52 PM
Game 3 Update
Bottom of the 4th
Joe Torre/Dodgers on their 3rd pitcher

LAD 0
PHI 6

Not watching that as I'm watching the Bears. That's pretty dissapointing, a Phillies-Yankees World Series is a rather boring matchup to me, not sure I'd even watch that much of it. Both series are far from over, though.

Bucky F. Dent
10-18-2009, 08:56 PM
.......The true, true, true, CRUSHING heartbreak came a few days earlier-when Bucky broke New England's heart. That was truly the day the Earth Stood Still.


Ain't life grand.

Bucky F Dent

palehozenychicty
10-18-2009, 10:20 PM
Not watching that as I'm watching the Bears. That's pretty dissapointing, a Phillies-Yankees World Series is a rather boring matchup to me, not sure I'd even watch that much of it. Both series are far from over, though.


I actually love watching the Phillies play. They have a gritty, graceful style that I want the Sox to get back soon.

#1swisher
10-18-2009, 10:37 PM
I actually love watching the Phillies play. They have a gritty, graceful style that I want the Sox to get back soon.


Final
Dodgers 0
Phillies 11

DSpivack
10-18-2009, 11:33 PM
I actually love watching the Phillies play. They have a gritty, graceful style that I want the Sox to get back soon.

Gritty and graceful? I mean, I'd root for them in WS over the Yankees [and maybe even the Angels], but aren't they mostly a power-hitting team with good-but-not-great pitching?

oeo
10-18-2009, 11:36 PM
Gritty and graceful? I mean, I'd root for them in WS over the Yankees [and maybe even the Angels], but aren't they mostly a power-hitting team with good-but-not-great pitching?

Yup. Maybe he's talking about Victorino, he's "gritty."

michned
10-19-2009, 12:10 AM
Torre is already being second-guessed for activating Kuroda and Elbert and leaving Garland and Weaver off the NLCS roster.

oeo
10-19-2009, 12:23 AM
Torre is already being second-guessed for activating Kuroda and Elbert and leaving Garland and Weaver off the NLCS roster.

Garland was pretty damn good for them since coming over from Arizona. Very questionable move to leave him off.

guillensdisciple
10-19-2009, 12:40 AM
Wow, this was not the game I was expecting. Even if this series is level, this game should never happen in any kind of playoff series between two teams of this caliber. If I was the Dodgers, I would be feeling pretty ****ty right now.

JermaineDye05
10-19-2009, 10:21 PM
4-3 Dodgers, top 9.

If Broxton can nail it down in the bottom half, the series will be even at 2.

VMSNS
10-19-2009, 10:42 PM
Wow. To me, that call to Ethier looked nowhere close. Outside corner, my ass.

JermaineDye05
10-19-2009, 10:49 PM
Wow. To me, that call to Ethier looked nowhere close. Outside corner, my ass.

Yeah that's a huge call too considering how clutch Ethier has been this past season. Ump took the bat right out of his hands against a very hittable pitcher with a huge insurance run in scoring position.

thomas35forever
10-19-2009, 10:53 PM
Two walkoffs in one day. THIS is playoff baseball. Nice to hear them play Blues Brothers music at the end.

DSpivack
10-19-2009, 10:54 PM
And the defending champs are one game away from returning to the Series.

JermaineDye05
10-19-2009, 10:55 PM
Rollins walks off.

Doesn't look so good for the Dodgers anymore.

Boy that call on Ethier really stings right now. How can you call that pitch a strike?

DrCrawdad
10-19-2009, 11:05 PM
Very good game. I was pulling for the Dodgers (mainly for Thome) but exciting game nonetheless.

VMSNS
10-19-2009, 11:09 PM
Rollins walks off.

Doesn't look so good for the Dodgers anymore.

Boy that call on Ethier really stings right now. How can you call that pitch a strike?

The ump was squeezing Wolf, too. Of what I saw, it was a pretty poorly-officiated game from a home-plate standpoint.

Still, bad umpiring is no excuse to lose a game. In the end, you still gotta score more runs than the other team, and the Dodgers didn't do that.

PKalltheway
10-20-2009, 12:02 AM
Wow. To me, that call to Ethier looked nowhere close. Outside corner, my ass.
Glad to see that I wasn't the only one who thought this. There was no way in hell that pitch was a strike.

GoGoCrede
10-21-2009, 09:39 PM
If the Dodgers can't rally here, the Phillies are going to the Series again. 6-3 Phils in the bottom of the 6th.

This series isn't going along with my master plan of having Thome get a ring. :angry:

SoxSpeed22
10-21-2009, 09:42 PM
Victorino homers to make it 8-3 Fightin' Phils.
If the Yankees end up winning, that should be a fun series with two very evenly-matched teams.

thomas35forever
10-21-2009, 09:42 PM
The Phillies are nine outs away from being the first team since the 2001 Yankees to make a return trip to the Series.

palehozenychicty
10-21-2009, 10:25 PM
Gritty and graceful? I mean, I'd root for them in WS over the Yankees [and maybe even the Angels], but aren't they mostly a power-hitting team with good-but-not-great pitching?

Their overall defense, sans Howard, is one of the best in the game, and they have a lot of good players that aren't prima donnas, like Utley, Rollins, Howard, Ibanez, Victorino, Hamels, Lee, etc.

I've seen them a lot since they're in the Mets division, and they've come from behind against so many teams these last few years, Mets included, when they looked DOA. The starters are reasonably good, and the bullpen is weak this year, but they were lights out last season. I know that NL haters will say it's the benefit of a weak league, but their lineup has no holes whatsoever. They're fun to watch.

SoxandtheCityTee
10-21-2009, 10:27 PM
Aw, I wanted to see Blake extend the 8th inning so that Thome could hit with men on base.

FielderJones
10-21-2009, 10:30 PM
The Phillies are nine outs away from being the first team since the 2001 Yankees to make a return trip to the Series.

I was getting ready to post a modified Billy Madison quote (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0) after Madison walked Ramirez and gave up the single to Kemp, but he managed to get out of it for only one run.

Three outs away.

palehozenychicty
10-21-2009, 10:36 PM
It's getting ugly right now.

thomas35forever
10-21-2009, 10:48 PM
Harry Kalas is looking down smiling. A really subdued celebration on the field.

PKalltheway
10-21-2009, 10:50 PM
And the 2009 National League season is history. Congrats to the Phils. I'll be rooting for them in the World Series.

oeo
10-21-2009, 10:51 PM
Back-to-back pennants, I'm so jealous. Hats off to the Phillies, it's tough to do.

DSpivack
10-21-2009, 10:52 PM
Their overall defense, sans Howard, is one of the best in the game, and they have a lot of good players that aren't prima donnas, like Utley, Rollins, Howard, Ibanez, Victorino, Hamels, Lee, etc.

I've seen them a lot since they're in the Mets division, and they've come from behind against so many teams these last few years, Mets included, when they looked DOA. The starters are reasonably good, and the bullpen is weak this year, but they were lights out last season. I know that NL haters will say it's the benefit of a weak league, but their lineup has no holes whatsoever. They're fun to watch.

I haven't watched much of them outside the playoffs [which I haven't watched much of this year]. There's nothing I dislike about the Phillies, but also nothing really compelling that draws me to them, either. Just another team to me, I suppose.

palehozenychicty
10-21-2009, 11:05 PM
I haven't watched much of them outside the playoffs [which I haven't watched much of this year]. There's nothing I dislike about the Phillies, but also nothing really compelling that draws me to them, either. Just another team to me, I suppose.

It's cool. If KW can get a couple outfielders and clean up that bullpen, maybe we'll face them next year.

Hitmen77
10-21-2009, 11:31 PM
Back-to-back pennants, I'm so jealous. Hats off to the Phillies, it's tough to do.

...and that's 5 pennants for them since 1980.

I can only dream of a day where I can say I have witnessed 5 White Sox pennants. That just sounds like a total pipe dream. I'm too am jealous.

voodoochile
10-21-2009, 11:50 PM
When the Yankees finish dispatching the Angels - and they will, I think this is going to be a great WS...

thedudeabides
10-22-2009, 12:01 AM
Their overall defense, sans Howard, is one of the best in the game, and they have a lot of good players that aren't prima donnas, like Utley, Rollins, Howard, Ibanez, Victorino, Hamels, Lee, etc.

I've seen them a lot since they're in the Mets division, and they've come from behind against so many teams these last few years, Mets included, when they looked DOA. The starters are reasonably good, and the bullpen is weak this year, but they were lights out last season. I know that NL haters will say it's the benefit of a weak league, but their lineup has no holes whatsoever. They're fun to watch.

I think they are built like a good AL team, and can compete with anyone the last couple of years, obviously. They really don't have many weaknesses. This year the bullpen, but that could be said for any team, at a given time. They have enough strengths to make up for any given weakness. I think they take it to the Yankees.

And Jason Werth has made himself some money. Him and Victorino are going to get some large, well deserved paydays, sometime soon. All the talk about Lidge and he has done what a closer needs to do, stepup when it matters.

Overall, a fun team to watch.

guillensdisciple
10-22-2009, 12:30 AM
...and that's 5 pennants for them since 1980.

I can only dream of a day where I can say I have witnessed 5 White Sox pennants. That just sounds like a total pipe dream. I'm too am jealous.

That kind of stuff does not happen in Chicago.

DaveFeelsRight
10-22-2009, 01:52 AM
That kind of stuff does not happen in Chicago.the pennant and heck, a world series titles are mythical creatures in chicago

Craig Grebeck
10-22-2009, 03:41 AM
Ugh. More proof that small-ball wins in October.

WSox597
10-22-2009, 07:04 AM
That kind of stuff does not happen in Chicago.

Only in basketball, and only with one of the best that ever played on those teams.

Railsplitter
10-22-2009, 09:21 AM
Actually, the Phillies were the last of the pre-expansion team to win a World Series.

Hitmen77
10-22-2009, 10:01 AM
Actually, the Phillies were the last of the pre-expansion team to win a World Series.

They had to wait all the way to 1980 to win one.:o: The 2nd to last of the original franchises to win a World Series was the Baltimore Orioles (formerly St. Louis Browns) in 1966 and before them the Dodgers in 1955.

The Phillies were also the last of the original franchises to win a 2nd World Series (which they won last year). Before them, the Twins (originally Senators) franchise won its 2nd title in 1987.

But like I said earlier, now they've won 5 pennants since finally coming out on top in 1980. Meanwhile, we Sox fans have 2005 of course, but after that, all we have (without going back 50 years) are failed pennant runs like 1983 and 1993.

BigKlu59
10-22-2009, 12:01 PM
And they accomplished this as a team thats lost over 10,000 games in their history.... Looking forward to a 1950 rematch with the Yankmees and a turn around in kind.... Both parks are band boxes for the long fly so's we may see some HR totals that bust the record books wide open....

As a wish in one hand and **** in another... We could have played the Phightin Phils in 83 and 93 and picked up a couple of pennants as well..

Who knows maybe a South Side Hitmen Vs the Phils in 77 instead of Bums vs Yanks

Oh and.... Go Phillies !!!!

BigKlu59

#1swisher
10-22-2009, 12:47 PM
I watched every game...did the Dodgers even show up?

guillensdisciple
10-22-2009, 03:51 PM
the pennant and heck, a world series titles are mythical creatures in chicago

I am not saying we have not experienced victory, but consistent winning is something that will never happen in Chicago unless we get lucky ala Michael Jordan.

voodoochile
10-22-2009, 04:24 PM
I am not saying we have not experienced victory, but consistent winning is something that will never happen in Chicago unless we get lucky ala Michael Jordan.

You mean just like ~ 95% of the teams in the country?

BadBobbyJenks
10-22-2009, 04:40 PM
I watched every game...did the Dodgers even show up?

They were a Broxton blown save away from evening up the Series and guaranteeing it went back to LA.

Brian26
10-22-2009, 06:31 PM
...and that's 5 pennants for them since 1980.

I can only dream of a day where I can say I have witnessed 5 White Sox pennants. That just sounds like a total pipe dream. I'm too am jealous.

It's almost hard to wrap your mind around that. It's like the equivalent of the Sox winning the AL Pennant in '77, '83, '93, '05 and '06. And, in those years, they would have won the Series at least twice (and maybe three times).

Brian26
10-22-2009, 06:34 PM
Ugh. More proof that small-ball wins in October.

Not necessarily. Howard and Werth have been slugging the ball out of the park. They just have a dynamite defensive team and a really well-balanced offense.

I'm still not 100% sold on the Phillies pitching, but I wasn't last year and they won it all.

doublem23
10-22-2009, 06:42 PM
Ugh. More proof that small-ball wins in October.

Are you being serious? Because you know the Phillies scored 21 of their 35 runs this series via the HR (60%).

TommyJohn
10-22-2009, 07:38 PM
It's almost hard to wrap your mind around that. It's like the equivalent of the Sox winning the AL Pennant in '77, '83, '93, '05 and '06. And, in those years, they would have won the Series at least twice (and maybe three times).
Geez. Makes me wish they could come up with some kind of "dynasty." Oh, I'm not greedy. Three WS titles in a row should sate me.

I'm sure there are a few old-time Phillies fans that are loving this. I'm talking about fans who rooted for them through the 23 game losing streak, the monumental collapse of 1964, the three heartbreaks of 1976-78. And I know there are a few fans that go back even further, when the Phillies always brought up the rear and were one of the worst teams in the league. Well, they aren't Red Sox fans, so they haven't experienced true, true, TRUE pain. I mean, what's a 23 game losing streak, a monumental collapse, Garry Maddox's dropped fly ball and a 97 year drought compared to what Bucky, Billy and Boone did to those stoic, suffering Red Sox fans. I'd better stop before I cry.

Brian26
10-22-2009, 09:13 PM
Garry Maddox's dropped fly ball

I just saw that game on MLB Network for the first time ever last weekend. It was pretty odd to see people swarm the field at Dodger Stadium.

Craig Grebeck
10-23-2009, 02:20 AM
Are you being serious? Because you know the Phillies scored 21 of their 35 runs this series via the HR (60%).
Joke.

TommyJohn
10-23-2009, 08:35 AM
I just saw that game on MLB Network for the first time ever last weekend. It was pretty odd to see people swarm the field at Dodger Stadium.
I remember watching it back in 1978. I was rooting hard for the Phillies, and was standing in silence as Ron Cey raced across the plate.

Hitmen77
10-23-2009, 08:51 AM
I just saw that game on MLB Network for the first time ever last weekend. It was pretty odd to see people swarm the field at Dodger Stadium.

You see that a lot in game from the 70s or early 80s. Those Yankee clinchers from the late 70s were complete madhouses. The White Sox 1983 clincher also had fans swarm onto the field.

At some point, MLB must have decided to put a stop to that practice.

Brian26
10-23-2009, 07:05 PM
You see that a lot in game from the 70s or early 80s. Those Yankee clinchers from the late 70s were complete madhouses. The White Sox 1983 clincher also had fans swarm onto the field.

At some point, MLB must have decided to put a stop to that practice.

Oh yeah, I can remember it happening all the time up until about '87. I think the last one I remember that was complete insanity was Shea in '86 after the Mets won. I don't remember fans running on the field in Minnesota in '87 or anywhere else after that.

TommyJohn
10-23-2009, 08:26 PM
Oh yeah, I can remember it happening all the time up until about '87. I think the last one I remember that was complete insanity was Shea in '86 after the Mets won. I don't remember fans running on the field in Minnesota in '87 or anywhere else after that.I remember the 1986 Mets clinched the divsion against the Cubs-fans ran out onto the field, ripped up hunks of turf, and threw them at the announcers' booths. It was a madhouse. Now that I think of it, that does seem around the time that the practice came to an end.

The worst ever was Yankee Stadium after Chambliss hit the home run in 1976. New York's finest opened the gate to allow the fans to pour out onto the field. Chambliss had to fight his way around the bases and couldn't even touch home plate because of the mob scene. He went out later escorted by police to touch it and make it official-only to discover that someone had carted it away.