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NLaloosh
10-09-2009, 01:50 PM
What if very few changes were made in the off-season? Could the Sox win with essentially the team that ended the season? A team that is healthy and with a full season from the young players- now more experienced ?

I'm not talking about an exact lineup but:

Pods LF
Ramirez SS
Beckham 3B
Quentin RF
A.J. C
Konerko 1B
Thome DH
Rios CF
Getz 2B

Kotsay
Flowers
Nix
Lillibridge

Starting Rotation:

Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Buehrle and Garcia

Bullpen:

Jenks, Thornton, Carrasco, Pena, Linebrink, Williams and Hudson

Would you feel comfortable that this team could win the AL Central in 2010?

delben91
10-09-2009, 01:56 PM
What if very few changes were made in the off-season? Could the Sox win with essentially the team that ended the season? A team that is healthy and with a full season from the young players- now more experienced ?

I'm not talking about an exact lineup but:

Pods LF
Ramirez SS
Beckham 3B
Quentin RF
A.J. C
Konerko 1B
Thome DH
Rios CF
Getz 2B

Kotsay
Flowers
Nix
Lillibridge

Starting Rotation:

Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Buehrle and Garcia

Bullpen:

Jenks, Thornton, Carrasco, Pena, Linebrink, Williams and Hudson

Would you feel comfortable that this team could win the AL Central in 2010?

Not too shabby IF all the starters stay healthy and produce at least at career norms. Bench is kind of weak with Lillibridge, I think we could find a better player for that slot. And the bullpen still scares me unless Jenks and Linebrink stay healthy and Pena learns to find the plate.

krohnjw
10-09-2009, 02:10 PM
What if very few changes were made in the off-season? Could the Sox win with essentially the team that ended the season? A team that is healthy and with a full season from the young players- now more experienced ?

I'm not talking about an exact lineup but:

Pods LF
Ramirez SS
Beckham 3B
Quentin RF
A.J. C
Konerko 1B
Thome DH
Rios CF
Getz 2B

Kotsay
Flowers
Nix
Lillibridge

Starting Rotation:

Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Buehrle and Garcia

Bullpen:

Jenks, Thornton, Carrasco, Pena, Linebrink, Williams and Hudson

Would you feel comfortable that this team could win the AL Central in 2010?


If we get a return to form (pre 2009) from Rios, a healthy Quentin and another consistent year from Konerko then this lineup from an offensive perspective looks fine. If we get another down Rios, injured Quentin and a prolonged slump from Konerko then we'll be mired in mediocrity again.

The rotation I'd be fine with, especially if Garcia can keep it up as more of a junkballer.

The pen will be a crapshoot as always, but if Jenks and Linebrink stay healthy (a big if it seems) it should be decent if not above average assuming Williams keeps performing and Hudson makes some strides.

WhiteSoxFTW
10-09-2009, 02:12 PM
Just listening to what Joe Cowley has been saying for months...we will be seeing Scott Podsednik again next year. And don't expect any big name free agents. Figgins is going to be overpaid for, and KW won't be the one to pay. The Angels are gonna lock up Abreu. I think we are going to see the same outfield with shoddy defense again next year. Kotsay will be the backup for Konerko and and Quentin. Nix will be infield backup because I think the Sox like his power off the bench.

I just hope that we don't see Brent Lillibridge next year.

Domeshot17
10-09-2009, 03:59 PM
That offense will not score enough runs. We have a championship calibur pitching staff, why not try and make the offense not suck

KyWhiSoxFan
10-09-2009, 04:06 PM
Isn't that almost the exact same team as this year? How did that work out?

So, no, I would not be happy with that team because I wouldn't have any confidence they could contend for the World Series. The only notable change is having Peavy for the entire season. The Sox were more than one player short of winning the World Series this year.

Come up with a lineup that fixes the defense, middle relief, and leadoff and I'll listen.

mzh
10-09-2009, 04:16 PM
Just listening to what Joe Cowley has been saying for months...we will be seeing Scott Podsednik again next year.

Even if he is coming back, I would not want to see him back. If we are going to contend for a championship, we can't have such a hot-cold guy like Podsednik. Over his career, Podsednik has shown a pattern of having good/great seasons and then totally collapsing the next year or two. It happened in Milwaukee. It happened with us in 06/07. I wouldn't have a problem holding him over for next year, even as a backup, but I would like to see KW bring someone in to compete with him in ST 2010.

TheBigHurtST
10-09-2009, 04:26 PM
Uh, that's the same team we had this year. So I say no.

Lip Man 1
10-09-2009, 04:46 PM
LaLoosh...win the division...probably.

Win the pennant? Probably not.

Lip

soxinem1
10-09-2009, 05:02 PM
I'm not sure how Thome fits in this equation.

I really like the guy but we already would be taking on enough risks of players on a 'Reunited With The Sox Tour', not sure we need another one.

central44
10-09-2009, 05:28 PM
I dunno, Detroit only made a few minor tweaks and they made a pretty significant turnaround coming from a last place finish in 2008. If any team can be capable of it next year, its probably a team like the Sox--with guys like Beckham/Getz having a full year of experience and a full season of Rios, Quentin, and Peavy (hopefully at least, with Rios bouncing back significantly).

That said, i'm not sure if it would be wise for KW to go into 2010 with the exact same roster. But nothing would suprise me with this group. They showed some flashes of being an extremley talented team this year.

Noneck
10-09-2009, 05:28 PM
This roster looks like sos different year minus Dye, plus Peavy and Garcia. I have a gut feeling this is what it is going to be but minus Jenks and Pods.

I'm looking and thinking and hoping this wont be the roster but if it is, it depends on how bad the other teams are.

Hitmen77
10-09-2009, 05:59 PM
I'd say they certainly could win the AL Central in 2010. But I voted "no" because I don't think they would win the division.

This team would be improved over 2009 because we'd have an entire year of Peavy and Beckham. I'll also maintain the optimistic view that Quentin and Rios will rebound in 2010.

I'm also optimistic that Garcia and/or Hudson will be more than adequate in the #5 spot. So, as far as the rotation goes, we'll be dramatically improved next year over what we had most of this year.

BUT, I don't expect Pods to hit .300 again next year. I'd expect a drop off in production from him if he returned. If we brought back Thome as this lineup suggests...well, I really like Big Jim, but at age 39 he would be a huge question mark for us too.

I can't imagine the Sox would let Flowers waste away on the bench as a backup catcher, so I don't think that's a realistic assumption.

kufram
10-09-2009, 06:06 PM
I'd say no to Thome. Love the guy but we need someone who does more than home run or strikeout and can run a little better.

No to Flowers for another year. We need a major league backup next year. but this is a tough one because Flowers needs to play to become a major league backup

No to Lillebridge because it's obvious he can't hit major league pitching yet

Yes to Pods, Kotsay, and Nix

Sign a DH that can hit doubles and home runs and can actually play the field somewhere. Having said that if Thome is back I won't cry it just clogs the bases too often.

Bullpen? It's a crap shoot.



What if very few changes were made in the off-season? Could the Sox win with essentially the team that ended the season? A team that is healthy and with a full season from the young players- now more experienced ?

I'm not talking about an exact lineup but:

Pods LF
Ramirez SS
Beckham 3B
Quentin RF
A.J. C
Konerko 1B
Thome DH
Rios CF
Getz 2B

Kotsay
Flowers
Nix
Lillibridge

Starting Rotation:

Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Buehrle and Garcia

Bullpen:

Jenks, Thornton, Carrasco, Pena, Linebrink, Williams and Hudson

Would you feel comfortable that this team could win the AL Central in 2010?

shingo10
10-09-2009, 06:12 PM
In that projected lineup Quentin through Thome would be painfully slow and most likely continue our string of becoming a great team at grounding into double plays.

I do agree that the division could be won with that particular lineup. But like so many have said in the thread about Sox/Twins in "Talking Baseball" I'm not satisfied with a team that can just compete for a division. I want a team that is dangerous and completely capable of winning it all.

Tragg
10-09-2009, 07:22 PM
Would you feel comfortable that this team could win the AL Central in 2010?
No
Bad defense made worse.

khan
10-09-2009, 08:18 PM
My gut tells me that this suggested team would [again] be under-powered, would suffer too many bullpen implosions, and would [again] be craptacular.

I don't so much mind the idea of re-acquiring Thome as a cheap power bat. But if not Thome, then who is a potential 30+ HR/.850 or higher OPS type hitter that can be gotten for less than ~$10 or so million/yr?

SaltyPretzel
10-09-2009, 09:01 PM
Every time someone mentions bringing back Thome, I want to: :chunks

Frater Perdurabo
10-09-2009, 09:31 PM
I'd rather spend the extra money to bring in Abreu instead of spending less on Thome. Abreu won't hit as many homers as Thome, but he can play RF or LF, will get on base just as much, hit for higher average, strike out less, hit more doubles, go from first to third or score from second on a single, and steal more bases. Lineup:

Pods LF/DH
Beckham 3B
Abreu DH/RF/LF
Quentin RF/DH
Konerko 1B
A.J. C
Rios CF
Getz 2B
Ramirez SS

That gives the Sox six lineup regulars who can steal double-digit bases and/or take the extra base. Beckham and Abreu are doubles machines, and I would expect Rios to become one again. In the 7-hole, Rios also can function like another leadoff hitter, with the patient LH Getz hitting behind him, to set the table for Alexei to drive in a run and turn over the lineup. Rotating the DH among Quentin, Abreu and Pods will keep all of them fresh yet sharp. Kotsay is the backup OF and late inning defensive replacement, and gives Paulie some days off at DH. Nix, Fields and Castro (or Flowers) round out the bench.

JB98
10-09-2009, 09:54 PM
Every time someone mentions bringing back Thome, I want to: :chunks

That's kinda how I feel about Figgins.

Frater Perdurabo
10-09-2009, 10:02 PM
That's kinda how I feel about Figgins.

Not that it's possible, but would you feel that way if he was the same player, but less expensive?

Tragg
10-09-2009, 10:34 PM
We need a right fielder. I'm willing to try young.
Do yall seriously think Quentin will play a quality RF? I don't see it. He looks a step above Carlos Lee out there.

pudge
10-10-2009, 12:29 AM
I had to vote no. I'm sure we're stuck with Garcia/Hudson for #5, but unlike many here I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy about it. I hate it when #5 gets treated like any schmo can get the job done, although I realize most MLB teams must do that.

Linebrink, again we're probably stuck with, but that pen isn't very good. Carrasco's arm may fall off, Pena blows, Williams okay but just a specialist.

Don't like Thome AND Konerko in the lineup again. Get someone athletic to platoon with Konerko. And Kotsay is not what I'm thinking. Isn't there any younger-than-Thome DH/1B available this offseason?

Other than that, 2010, here we come!

DSpivack
10-10-2009, 12:30 AM
I'd rather spend the extra money to bring in Abreu instead of spending less on Thome. Abreu won't hit as many homers as Thome, but he can play RF or LF, will get on base just as much, hit for higher average, strike out less, hit more doubles, go from first to third or score from second on a single, and steal more bases. Lineup:

Pods LF/DH
Beckham 3B
Abreu DH/RF/LF
Quentin RF/DH
Konerko 1B
A.J. C
Rios CF
Getz 2B
Ramirez SS

That gives the Sox six lineup regulars who can steal double-digit bases and/or take the extra base. Beckham and Abreu are doubles machines, and I would expect Rios to become one again. In the 7-hole, Rios also can function like another leadoff hitter, with the patient LH Getz hitting behind him, to set the table for Alexei to drive in a run and turn over the lineup. Rotating the DH among Quentin, Abreu and Pods will keep all of them fresh yet sharp. Kotsay is the backup OF and late inning defensive replacement, and gives Paulie some days off at DH. Nix, Fields and Castro (or Flowers) round out the bench.

I'd like Abreu, as well, but I just don't see him leaving the Angels.

voodoochile
10-10-2009, 10:25 AM
If healthy and living up to their career norms, that team will be fine, but it's thin.

One more big bat to be the primary starter in RF would really improve the chances. Lillibridge does not belong on a major league roster, IMO.

I'd also like one more arm for the pen. Even bringing back Dotel would be fine if they can get him for ~$3M/season.

I also expect Torres to be the long man initially so Hudson can stay stretched out in case of need and continue his development curve.

bridgeportcopper
10-10-2009, 10:49 AM
I've seen that movie before.....hated the ending!

A. Cavatica
10-10-2009, 01:05 PM
Who knows? Take that lineup, change the manager and most of the coaching staff, and you could really have something.

But since the manager and coaches are coming back...no.

ode to veeck
10-10-2009, 01:14 PM
Even if he is coming back, I would not want to see him back. If we are going to contend for a championship, we can't have such a hot-cold guy like Podsednik. Over his career, Podsednik has shown a pattern of having good/great seasons and then totally collapsing the next year or two. It happened in Milwaukee. It happened with us in 06/07. I wouldn't have a problem holding him over for next year, even as a backup, but I would like to see KW bring someone in to compete with him in ST 2010.

Pods had arguably a better year this year than 05 when he was a key component of a championship, if he can do close to '09 in '10 he's more than adequate for the badly needed leadoff role. Sox are a completely different team when they lack a decent leadoff.

Rdy2PlayBall
10-10-2009, 02:09 PM
I think so. I don't understand the logic behind "it's the same team as least year" though. The team is COMPLETELY different. :lol:

+Rios
+Peavy
+Freddy
+Experienced Beckham
+Quentin (he basically could have not shown up to any games in 2009)
+Experienced Getz

I seriously think they should get an RBI guy and a little bullpen insurance though... :unsure:

JB98
10-10-2009, 03:00 PM
Not that it's possible, but would you feel that way if he was the same player, but less expensive?

It's not so much anything against Figgins. He's a 32-year-old who makes his living with his legs, and somebody is going to make a mistake by giving him a four- or five-year deal. It won't be the Sox.

I just really disagree with Sox fans who think Figgins is the type of player we need. I think the top of our order is OK, and there are a couple different options there if Pods isn't retained or gets hurt next year.

What I don't like is the middle of our batting order. Konerko should be hitting sixth, not cleanup, at this stage of his career. Quentin cannot be trusted to stay healthy. Dye is done and should be let go. We don't have nearly enough run production in the middle of the lineup. Signing Figgins, even if he fit into the Sox budget plans, would not solve the biggest problem with the offense -- an aging, injury-prone middle of the lineup.

delben91
10-10-2009, 03:01 PM
I'd rather spend the extra money to bring in Abreu instead of spending less on Thome. Abreu won't hit as many homers as Thome, but he can play RF or LF, will get on base just as much, hit for higher average, strike out less, hit more doubles, go from first to third or score from second on a single, and steal more bases. Lineup:

Pods LF/DH
Beckham 3B
Abreu DH/RF/LF
Quentin RF/DH
Konerko 1B
A.J. C
Rios CF
Getz 2B
Ramirez SS

That gives the Sox six lineup regulars who can steal double-digit bases and/or take the extra base. Beckham and Abreu are doubles machines, and I would expect Rios to become one again. In the 7-hole, Rios also can function like another leadoff hitter, with the patient LH Getz hitting behind him, to set the table for Alexei to drive in a run and turn over the lineup. Rotating the DH among Quentin, Abreu and Pods will keep all of them fresh yet sharp. Kotsay is the backup OF and late inning defensive replacement, and gives Paulie some days off at DH. Nix, Fields and Castro (or Flowers) round out the bench.

Are you just resigned to the fact that Paulie is just going to finish out his contract in Chicago? :redneck

SOXSINCE'70
10-10-2009, 04:07 PM
Kenny Williams must do some off season tweaking.
Even a tiny,tiny,bit (FIX THE BULLPEN) would help.
To put the exact same product on the field in 2010,
even without some microscopic tweaking, is asking
for failure.

soxinem1
10-10-2009, 08:20 PM
Kenny Williams must do some off season tweaking.
Even a tiny,tiny,bit (FIX THE BULLPEN) would help.
To put the exact same product on the field in 2010,
even without some microscopic tweaking, is asking
for failure.

It may not happen because I know he prefers starting (and probably the NL as well), but John Smoltz was an excellent relief pitcher with ATL, and watching him K the first five hitters he faced against LAD in the NLDS tonight reminded me of this.

Having Smoltz pitch the eighth inning or even close if Jenks is traded might be a scenario KW should explore.

Lip Man 1
10-10-2009, 09:15 PM
John's time in the A.L. didn't go very well...at his age it may simply be more than he can handle. I'm sure he'll stay in the N.L.

Lip

California Sox
10-11-2009, 12:41 AM
I'm probably biased because of how bad the offense was over the last two months, but I think that team is a terrible idea. It's good starting pitching with all right-handed hitting, poor defense, and a thin bullpen. It's unfortunate that Rios looked so bad. He's their highest paid position player, so it would be nice if he'd produce. I think the Sox are one impact left-handed bat away from a reasonable lineup and don't see how their defense will improve with Alexei at short. I want much bigger changes, especially Beckham moved back to the middle of the diamond. The idea of "Beckham/Getz" should be banned from this board. One of them is Michael Young, the other is Mickey Morandini. There is no equivalence.

Mohoney
10-11-2009, 07:40 AM
It's the same bullpen that was absolute horse**** this year, so I would vote no.

Even with the decidedly below average offense, we would have still won this division if Scott Linebrink and Bobby Jenks didn't suck to high heaven. They both need to be gone.

southside rocks
10-11-2009, 09:31 AM
Actually, this same poll if asked before the 2005 season probably would have gotten about the same responses.

It's not so much the names that are on the roster as it is how they play that determines where the team is at the end of the season. If this current roster performs up to individual and collective abilities, then the Sox are absolutely in the post-season in 2010. And from there, anything can happen (as the Cardinals will tell you this morning).

It's unlikely that there will be no changes to the roster between now and Opening Day 2010, though.

JB98
10-11-2009, 01:55 PM
It's the same bullpen that was absolute horse**** this year, so I would vote no.

Even with the decidedly below average offense, we would have still won this division if Scott Linebrink and Bobby Jenks didn't suck to high heaven. They both need to be gone.

Who do you want to replace Linebrink and Jenks with?

Soxfest
10-12-2009, 04:13 PM
Isn't that almost the exact same team as this year? How did that work out?

So, no, I would not be happy with that team because I wouldn't have any confidence they could contend for the World Series. The only notable change is having Peavy for the entire season. The Sox were more than one player short of winning the World Series this year.

Come up with a lineup that fixes the defense, middle relief, and leadoff and I'll listen.

I agree another 3rd place team with that offense!

MARTINMVP
10-12-2009, 04:18 PM
I'm scared to death that the Rios trade is going to be a huge bust. Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not sure that his performance after coming to the Sox was just a bad slump.

FielderJones
10-12-2009, 04:56 PM
I'm scared to death that the Rios trade is going to be a huge bust. Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not sure that his performance after coming to the Sox was just a bad slump.

Rios (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/player/gamelogs/2009/383411) had 12 hits in his last 10 games. Given the opportunity to relax a bit, he was able to produce. I don't expect him to be a bust. He'll progress toward his lifetime average of .281 next year and help the club.

TomBradley72
10-12-2009, 06:15 PM
I voted no. I don't want Thome back, I hope Pods is a 4th/5th OF- not a starter, and while Getz is an adequate 2nd baseman, we need more from that position. It's more or less a "stand pat" line up...which could improve based on having Peavy/Rios/Beckham for a full season...but I hope we make the kind of moves that would avoid this line up..especially a 1 year older version of Thome.

Rdy2PlayBall
10-12-2009, 06:45 PM
The team we have now compared to last year would AT LEAST put up 70-100+ more RBIs than last year...Come on guys. Scratch Fields, Wise, Nix for that big part of the season and add Rios, Quentin, and Kotsay. No matter who we get, Rios and Quentin need to perform the way THEY SHOULD. (don't mistake with "have career years")

I say I'm very happy because we've got a top 5 pitching staff in the MLB and our offense is looking a lot better too. :cool:
-one pick up would be nice though...

someone kill Lillibridge

Procol Harum
10-12-2009, 07:14 PM
I officially voted "No" but the division is so mediocre it is certainly possible. With Peavey on deck the starting pitching looks very good, but Jenks' status and the rest of the bullpen is hardly a lock. Bringing Thome back is just a no. We need to pick up some more bullpen help (probably the hardest element to predict in today's game) and one more solid free-agent position player--perhaps a Figgins or Crawford-before I would feel better about confidently answering "Yes."

DSpivack
10-13-2009, 01:03 AM
The team we have now compared to last year would AT LEAST put up 70-100+ more RBIs than last year...Come on guys. Scratch Fields, Wise, Nix for that big part of the season and add Rios, Quentin, and Kotsay. No matter who we get, Rios and Quentin need to perform the way THEY SHOULD. (don't mistake with "have career years")

I say I'm very happy because we've got a top 5 pitching staff in the MLB and our offense is looking a lot better too. :cool:
-one pick up would be nice though...

someone kill Lillibridge

Thome and Dye combined to drive in 155, so I don't know about that, assuming Dye is gone.

Sam Spade
10-19-2009, 03:42 AM
I think so. I don't understand the logic behind "it's the same team as least year" though. The team is COMPLETELY different. :lol:

+Rios
+Peavy
+Freddy
+Experienced Beckham
+Quentin (he basically could have not shown up to any games in 2009)
+Experienced Getz

I seriously think they should get an RBI guy and a little bullpen insurance though... :unsure:

The team was at its worst when all of those guys, save peavy, were around. I want to see someone who can play great defense and hit for average as a mainstay on this team. Getz would make a good backup, so we are looking at a 3b, 2B or SS. We could move beckham to 2b, and most SS can play 2B, so a player who plays any of those three positions is doable to me.

voodoochile
10-19-2009, 10:41 AM
The team was at its worst when all of those guys, save peavy, were around. I want to see someone who can play great defense and hit for average as a mainstay on this team. Getz would make a good backup, so we are looking at a 3b, 2B or SS. We could move beckham to 2b, and most SS can play 2B, so a player who plays any of those three positions is doable to me.

Late in the season when Rios finally started to hit a little and TCQ locked in they won some games. The problem wasn't those guys it was more about Buehrle and Dye who both had miserable Augusts. Buehrle alone went 2-7 and saw his ERA climb over a half run from the end of the perfect game through the end of the year.

Rohan
10-19-2009, 01:09 PM
I don't think flowers is going to be backing up AJ.
I don't think that we're going to be getting Jim Thome back.

I also still worry a bit about the bull pen. And i'd almost rather not waste Hudson in the bull pen if he was progressing so much in the minors. It seems the league has figured out Jenks, and unless he changes drastically, he's not fit to close out games.

palehozenychicty
10-19-2009, 04:44 PM
I feel like they need a stick or two in the middle and an arm or two in the pen. Then we can talk division and more.