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cws05champ
09-11-2009, 02:00 PM
Right now the White Sox would have the 14th overall pick in next years draft(Min 15th and Sea 16th), which is protected if we sign a Type A free agent. Do you want the Sox to win as many games and possibly be in the bottom half of the draft, and have an unprotected pick, or just continue at current pace and have a top15 pick.

kittle42
09-11-2009, 02:01 PM
It's the MLB draft. The difference between 10-20 is negligible.

chunk
09-11-2009, 02:16 PM
The difference between a protected pick and a lost pick because of a Type A signing is not negligible.

kittle42
09-11-2009, 02:56 PM
The difference between a protected pick and a lost pick because of a Type A signing is not negligible.

Nevertheless, I think in my many years of sports fandom, this is the first time I have heard fans suggesting a team lose to secure a pick in baseball.

CPditka
09-11-2009, 02:57 PM
This poll really made me think twice. I dont see any way we can get in w/o a Detroit AND Minny collapse. And even then the winning team will get swept in the first round.


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I hate to say it, Id rather protect the pick and sign Chone or another A type. I cant believe Im saying this.

DSpivack
09-11-2009, 03:28 PM
I don't see why anyone would ever root for their team to lose.

oeo
09-11-2009, 03:34 PM
I'll cheer for victories, not losses.

This poll really made me think twice. I dont see any way we can get in w/o a Detroit AND Minny collapse. And even then the winning team will get swept in the first round.

:scratch: Minnesota is a half game in front of us...

illinifan1368
09-11-2009, 06:02 PM
This poll really made me think twice. I dont see any way we can get in w/o a Detroit AND Minny collapse. And even then the winning team will get swept in the first round.


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I hate to say it, Id rather protect the pick and sign Chone or another A type. I cant believe Im saying this.

Tell that to the 2006 Cardinals. The people around here that know the future really are pissing me off.

oeo
09-11-2009, 06:14 PM
Tell that to the 2006 Cardinals. The people around here that know the future really are pissing me off.

Well, that and the Yankees rotation isn't very good. That's what matters in the postseason. The Yankees will flop again in the playoffs because of their pitching.

Frater Perdurabo
09-11-2009, 07:21 PM
It's the MLB draft. The difference between 10-20 is negligible.

It's not the difference between 10 and 20.

It's the potential difference between a #14 pick and a pick somewhere in the 40s or 50s (depending on how many sandwich picks are awarded).

soxfanreggie
09-11-2009, 07:25 PM
This poll really made me think twice. I dont see any way we can get in w/o a Detroit AND Minny collapse. And even then the winning team will get swept in the first round.
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I hate to say it, Id rather protect the pick and sign Chone or another A type. I cant believe Im saying this.

I hope that we would never do that.

MarkZ35
09-11-2009, 07:55 PM
The Tigers and Twins aren't very good. The Sox aren't very good either but are not out of it yet conisdering they have head to head games. They are very close to being out of it but they aren't chasing great teams so it is still possible. Anything can happen in the playoffs especially for the Sox if Peavy does come back healthy.

This would be a completely different question if the Sox were mathematically out of it. As of right now I want them to continue to win as much as possible and not look too far into the future. Higher draft picks still aren't guaranteed to be good players so you can't tank a chance to make the playoffs for a draft pick.

HomeFish
09-12-2009, 01:57 AM
The Sox aren't very good at developing prospects. But that pick could turn into a trade for a big name player.

jcw218
09-12-2009, 02:38 AM
I voted for the win as much as possible choice. The Sox are still in the hunt for the post season and I would rather see post season baseball than worry about where the Sox pick in next years draft. The Sox have not had a good track record with developing their picks, that is true, however with Buddy Bell now in the fold, lets see what the minors can do.

Hitmen77
09-21-2009, 10:22 PM
Are we in the bottom 15 yet? :whiner:

DirtySox
09-21-2009, 10:50 PM
Are we in the bottom 15 yet? :whiner:

We were hovering around 15/16 for a while, but are now at 13. If Oakland stays hot we are looking at dropping to 12.

You can keep track here (http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings?group=9).

Hitmen77
09-22-2009, 08:44 PM
This year's totally ****ed anyway. I hope we get a good draft pick out of it - one that's protected even with our Type A free agent acquisition. Maybe Houston can go on a little win streak and surpass us too.

JohnTucker0814
09-22-2009, 09:34 PM
If you look at the 2008 draft where we got Beckham, there are some pretty solid picks from 12-16...

12. Jemile Weeks
13. Brett Wallace
14. Aaron Hicks
15. Ethan Martin
16. Brett Lawrie

We could get a pretty good impact player in next years draft.

DirtySox
09-22-2009, 10:05 PM
If you look at the 2008 draft where we got Beckham, there are some pretty solid picks from 12-16...

12. Jemile Weeks
13. Brett Wallace
14. Aaron Hicks
15. Ethan Martin
16. Brett Lawrie

We could get a pretty good impact player in next years draft.

FWIW 2008 was a very strong draft class, especially in position players. I'm not quite sure how strong a class next year's will be, but it's supposedly very pitcher heavy; similar to 2009.

munchman33
09-22-2009, 10:27 PM
After tonight, I vote lose out and get the best pick possible.

A. Cavatica
09-22-2009, 10:43 PM
I've become numb to the losing, so I do want us to lose the rest of our games. It's not just for the sake of the pick. I want to see the Sox clean house and I think each loss puts Walker's job (and maybe Ozzie's) at greater risk.

Big D
09-22-2009, 11:13 PM
Judging by their performance the last month, they don't seem to have much choice in the matter.

munchman33
09-22-2009, 11:38 PM
Judging by their performance the last month, they don't seem to have much choice in the matter.

No kidding. Mods, can you merge the "we're done" and "play it out" options into one single "lose out" option?

I wish that was teal.

Gammons Peter
09-23-2009, 09:19 AM
There are only 5 teams in the A.L with worse records than the Sox

Boondock Saint
09-23-2009, 09:47 AM
There are only 5 teams in the A.L with worse records than the Sox

:facepalm:

munchman33
09-23-2009, 09:54 AM
There are only 5 teams in the A.L with worse records than the Sox

We can't even be the best at that.

Chez
09-23-2009, 10:02 AM
I thought about this yesterday -- that in the long run, it's probably best to lose out. Still, I can't bring myself to root for the Sox to lose. I'd prefer they win out and make us all feel a little better heading into the off season.

GoGoCrede
09-23-2009, 10:06 AM
We can't even be the best at that.

:rolling:

and also :anon:

DirtySox
09-23-2009, 10:13 AM
See this thread:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=115439

cws05champ
09-23-2009, 11:35 AM
Well, it's pretty clear we'll be in the bottom 15. We are now at # 13, but could move to 12 (Oakland) or up to 14 (Milwaukee).

I guess this poll is moot now....the difference between 12-14 is pretty minimal. It's just about making a good choice with that selection.

Here's some of the names drafted in the last few years with the 12-15 picks:

2009: Aaron Crow, Grant Green, Matt Purke, Alex White
2008: Jemile Weeks, Brett Wallace, Aaron Hicks, Ethan Martin
2007: Matt Dominguez, Beau Mills, Jason Heyward, Devin Mesoraco

A few nice impact prospects in there, especially Wallace and Heyward.

Gammons Peter
09-23-2009, 11:39 AM
:facepalm:


Whats your problem

Boondock Saint
09-23-2009, 11:57 AM
Whats your problem

I don't have a problem, but I think it's completely stupid to "lay down" for a better draft pick for a myriad of reasons.

munchman33
09-23-2009, 11:59 AM
We were hovering around 15/16 for a while, but are now at 13. If Oakland stays hot we are looking at dropping to 12.

You can keep track here (http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings?group=9).

Wow...with the way we've been playing, we've got a legitamate shot at the number 8 pick. And we can possibly end up as high as 6!

I hate that this excites me.

kufram
09-23-2009, 12:22 PM
Losing ball games on purpose is NOT what baseball is about, no matter what the reason. Bad idea. Always fight to win every game.

munchman33
09-23-2009, 12:28 PM
Losing ball games on purpose is NOT what baseball is about, no matter what the reason. Bad idea. Always fight to win every game.

The talent level after the top 8-10 picks drops off significantly, unless you're willing to pay for a Boras client. Since we don't, and we're not going anywhere this year, it would be in our best interest to land one of those picks.

soxtalker
09-23-2009, 03:18 PM
Losing ball games on purpose is NOT what baseball is about, no matter what the reason. Bad idea. Always fight to win every game.

I don't think that's an issue.

I would prefer (and voted this way) that the Sox drop every remaining game to enhance their draft position. It doesn't mean that I want them to lose on purpose.

The team, of course, can't lose on purpose. I'm sure it happens at times, but it is a disaster for the game. In addition, each individual player is motivated to do as well as possible. That's particularly true if they give a lot of playing time to the younger guys.

KyWhiSoxFan
09-23-2009, 04:20 PM
This team has been mailing it in all season, and that is particularly evident the last two weeks. The way they are playing, they could easily go 2-8 the rest of the way. They could be looking at a #10 pick.