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doublem23
09-06-2009, 09:16 PM
With our loss and Detroit's win, our E# is 18.

We're screwed.

Jurr
09-06-2009, 09:28 PM
Umm..yeah. It has been that way since Jose bobbled a grounder in Boston. The '09 Sox died right there.

chisoxfanatic
09-06-2009, 09:28 PM
Umm..yeah. It has been that way since Jose bobbled a grounder in Boston. The '09 Sox died right there.
That's how I feel as well.

SOXfnNlansing
09-06-2009, 09:31 PM
Umm..yeah. It has been that way since Jose bobbled a grounder in Boston. The '09 Sox died right there.

That's when the season ended for me:whiner:

ChiSoxGirl
09-06-2009, 09:55 PM
With our loss and Detroit's win, our E# is 18.

We're screwed.

That pretty much sums it up.

chisoxfanatic
09-06-2009, 09:56 PM
Blackhawk Season Countdown: 26 Days
Bear Season Countdown: 7 Days

BleacherBandit
09-06-2009, 10:10 PM
Blackhawk Season Countdown: 26 Days
Bear Season Countdown: 7 Days

SI says we're going to the Super Bowl. Right on!

Lip Man 1
09-06-2009, 10:12 PM
The only number that matters is 14.

Wins needed for the 8th winning season in the decade.

That's the only realistic goal left now.

Lip

Viva Medias B's
09-06-2009, 10:13 PM
SI says we're going to the Super Bowl. Right on!

SI predictions = Kiss of Death

ChiSoxGirl
09-06-2009, 10:15 PM
The only number that matters is 14.

Wins needed for the 8th winning season in the decade.

That's the only realistic goal left now.

Lip

This is true. Things could be SO MUCH WORSE. We could be the Pirates who, with one more loss, will guarantee themselves their 17th losing season in a row- that'll be a professional sports record.

chisoxfanatic
09-06-2009, 10:16 PM
SI says we're going to the Super Bowl. Right on!
The NFC is going to be wide-open this year.

LoveYourSuit
09-06-2009, 10:21 PM
Umm..yeah. It has been that way since Jose bobbled a grounder in Boston. The '09 Sox died right there.

The Sox season died for me in March of this year when we saw the amount of holes Kenny and Co were willing to go to spring training with. Although the division was still a possibility, winning a championship in 2009 was never a commitment by the front office.

That said, Kenny did try to fix the issues with some gutsy mid season trades/ pick ups all of which have not paid any dividen for the 2009 season.


Let's hope there is a strong commitment this Winter to make sure this team is ready to compete from day one out of the gate not only against our own division but for an AL Crown and trip to the WS.

PKalltheway
09-06-2009, 11:58 PM
This is true. Things could be SO MUCH WORSE. We could be the Pirates who, with one more loss, will guarantee themselves their 17th losing season in a row- that'll be a professional sports record.
Once this season is done, the Pirates and Orioles will be the only two teams to have not recorded a single winning season in this decade. The White Sox, should they get a modest winning streak going between now and the end of the season, will have only had one losing season this decade (72-90 in 2007).

If the Sox want something to play for, how about finishing with some dignity by going for 82 wins....

ChiSoxGirl
09-07-2009, 12:04 AM
Once this season is done, the Pirates and Orioles will be the only two teams to have not recorded a single winning season in this decade. The White Sox, should they get a modest winning streak going between now and the end of the season, will have only had one losing season this decade (72-90 in 2007).

If the Sox want something to play for, how about finishing with some dignity by going for 82 wins....

Yes! This would be excellent! I don't know if we've ever had a decade with so many winning seasons; I'd have to check my media guide....

Nellie_Fox
09-07-2009, 12:13 AM
Yes! This would be excellent! I don't know if we've ever had a decade with so many winning seasons; I'd have to check my media guide....Not a single losing season from 1951-1960. If you want to make it 1950-1959 (not a true decade, but I won't quibble) it's still nine winning seasons. Since the Sox had a losing season in 2007 and a .500 season in 2002, the '50's Sox had more winning seasons.

Big D
09-07-2009, 12:16 AM
Not a single losing season from 1951-1960. If you want to make it 1950-1959 (not a true decade, but I won't quibble) it's still nine winning seasons. Since the Sox had a losing season in 2007 and a .500 season in 2002, the '50's Sox had more winning seasons.

It was longer than a decade, they had winning records every year from 1951-1968. It's hard to imagine the Sox going that long without a losing season again in our lifetimes. With free agency and the draft, that just won't happen in this day and age (unless you have the money the Yankees do).

Nellie_Fox
09-07-2009, 12:25 AM
It was longer than a decade, they had winning records every year from 1951-1968.They had a losing record in '68, but your point is well taken. I was just sticking with the theme of the post, and looking at a decade. It was a great time to be a Sox fan. I didn't know a losing season until I was nineteen years old.

Hitmen77
09-07-2009, 12:39 AM
Umm..yeah. It has been that way since Jose bobbled a grounder in Boston. The '09 Sox died right there.

Regardless of what KW was publicly saying, this season was always a long shot. I'm not a huge Javy Vazquez fan and I'm not saying it was bad to trade him (in the long run), but if you trade his .500 record and 200 IP and expect to replace him with Clayton Richard and Bartolo Colon AND be serious playoff contenders.....that's just wishful thinking.

This is a team that started the season with Josh Fields at 3B and Wise/Anderson in CF. Our defense most of this season has been dreadful. Quentin was lost to the DL for a couple of months and never really got back on track when he returned.

It's incredible how much we were able to fill holes as the season progressed: Pods, Beckham, Rios (for the future since he's in a tailspin this year), and (for the future) Peavy....but we lost many games early in the season with our weak lineup. In the end, a team that stumbles along at .500 can't survive a late August collapse. Only the weak AL Central kept us in it this long.

I agree with playing for a winning season. I'd like to see more this month of some rookies who might help us next year (Torres, Hudson, Flowers, Nunez) I'm also looking forward to starting 2010 with a much stronger lineup and rotation than we fielded on opening day this year.

GoGoCrede
09-07-2009, 01:38 AM
"Tragic number" has a funnier ring to it.

DumpJerry
09-07-2009, 08:39 AM
Once this season is done, the Pirates and Orioles will be the only two teams to have not recorded a single winning season in this decade. The White Sox, should they get a modest winning streak going between now and the end of the season, will have only had one losing season this decade (72-90 in 2007).

If the Sox want something to play for, how about finishing with some dignity by going for 82 wins....
The Sox purposely took a dive in 2007.





They knew that Gordon Beckham kid would go high in the first round.:wink:

hawkjt
09-07-2009, 09:21 AM
How many winning seasons for the Sox in 1990-2000?
Overall, since 1991, I think the Sox have only had a few losing seasons,right? Which leaves them picking 15 or later for the last two decades outside of Beckham....which is part of the problem with the farm system. If you can take the pain, the Twins lost decade in the 90's is what has propelled them to cheap success this last decade. Personally, I cannot take the pain of a bunch of horrible seasons like the Twins had from 1992-2001....but it does have its advantages,like Mauer & Morneau.

The autopsy on this season will rage on all off-season, so plenty of time for that when the math has doomed the Sox.
When I look at our season, at first glance, what killed the Sox was inability to take care of the Indians and KC....Tigers did that,Sox did not.
Outside the division, Sox were ok...better than the tigers,but like Ditka always preached....win in your division, the rest will take care of itself.

cards press box
09-07-2009, 10:13 AM
How many winning seasons for the Sox in 1990-2000?
Overall, since 1991, I think the Sox have only had a few losing seasons,right? Which leaves them picking 15 or later for the last two decades outside of Beckham....which is part of the problem with the farm system.

From 1990 to the present, the Sox have had only 5 losing seasons (1995, 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2007) and the Sox' records in 1997 and 1998 were 80-81 and 80-82. The Sox have had good teams in the last two decades and have not drafted toward the top of the amateur draft. The Sox' worst record in this time period was 72-90 in 2007 and the Sox drafted Gordon Beckham the folowing year. That's impressive.

DirtySox
09-07-2009, 11:15 AM
About time to get Flowers some valuable reps. Hudson should be lined up for a start or two as well.

If the division is out of question, I hope the team keeps floundering around. I will be quite said if we don't end up in the top 15 picks of the draft. A protected first round pick would be very desirable.

Lip Man 1
09-07-2009, 11:37 AM
By the decade (winning seasons)

1950's (1950-1959) : 9 winning seasons 51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59
1960's (1960-1969) : 8 winning seasons 60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67
1970's (1970-1979) : 2 winning seasons 72,77
1980's (1980-1989) : 4 winning seasons 81,82,83,85
1990's (1990-1999) : 6 winning seasons 90,91,92,93,94,96

2000 so far : 7 winning seasons 00,01,03,04,05,06,08

Lip

Hitmen77
09-07-2009, 11:37 AM
This is a team that started the season with Josh Fields at 3B and Wise/Anderson in CF. Our defense most of this season has been dreadful. Quentin was lost to the DL for a couple of months and never really got back on track when he returned.



EDIT: I'll also add that we played the first 2(?) months of the season with the legendary Wilson Betemit and Brent Lillibridge on our roster too. We just were not a very good team, even on paper, at the start of the season.

It's disappointing that the mid-season upgrades didn't change our status as a streaky team hovering a few games above or below .500. Having Peavy, Rios somewhere close to his career norm, a healthy Quentin, and a full season of a more experience Beckham should make a big difference next year.

Hitmen77
09-07-2009, 11:46 AM
By the decade (winning seasons)

1950's (1950-1959) : 9 winning seasons 51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59
1960's (1960-1969) : 8 winning seasons 60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67
1970's (1970-1979) : 2 winning seasons 72,77
1980's (1980-1989) : 4 winning seasons 81,82,83,85
1990's (1990-1999) : 6 winning seasons 90,91,92,93,94,96

2000 so far : 7 winning seasons 00,01,03,04,05,06,08

Lip

The 80s and 90s started out with so much promise for the Sox. Both times I thought this team would dominate for the rest of the decade.

81, 82 and then 1983 was such a great progression that I thought there was definitely more to come.....to bad the bottom fell out after 1983 (hitting it's low point on 6/30/88 when it looked like the team was going to move to Fla.)

The 1990 team was one of my favorites. 94 wins with tons of young talent. Too bad they were 5 years before 3 division/wild card play and fell short to the 104-win A's. The success that decade came to an abrupt end in Aug. 1994 when the players went on strike. Poof....just like that, the Sox 1990s success was over.:(:

Four of the winning seasons this decade have the following win totals: 99 (WS champs), 95 (division champs), 90, 89 (division champs). Not only that, but this decade has seen success and stability off the field for this franchise like we haven't seen since the 1950s. IMO, we are well positioned for the next decade not only with the players we have, but with a renovated, attractive, fan-friendly ballpark in an improving neighborhood. Thanks largely to the 2005 season, interest in the Sox in the Chicago market is probably at it's highest levels in decades.

Domeshot17
09-07-2009, 12:08 PM
How many winning seasons for the Sox in 1990-2000?
Overall, since 1991, I think the Sox have only had a few losing seasons,right? Which leaves them picking 15 or later for the last two decades outside of Beckham....which is part of the problem with the farm system. If you can take the pain, the Twins lost decade in the 90's is what has propelled them to cheap success this last decade. Personally, I cannot take the pain of a bunch of horrible seasons like the Twins had from 1992-2001....but it does have its advantages,like Mauer & Morneau.




This is just a cop out, totally and completely wrong. The Sox do poor in the draft because of money spent and ability to scout. Buddy Bell looks to be turning this around. It has always been a KW flaw, he scouts the draft terribly bad. I don't buy any of this crap. The Royals, the Pirates, the Reds the O's they all draft high and they all do poorly. The Red Sox the Yankees the Angels etc. they are teams that win a lot more than they lose, and they constantly find talent in the draft. Plenty of the top 25-50-100 prospects were not top 15 picks.

pmck003
09-07-2009, 02:41 PM
This is just a cop out, totally and completely wrong. The Sox do poor in the draft because of money spent and ability to scout. Buddy Bell looks to be turning this around. It has always been a KW flaw, he scouts the draft terribly bad. I don't buy any of this crap. The Royals, the Pirates, the Reds the O's they all draft high and they all do poorly. The Red Sox the Yankees the Angels etc. they are teams that win a lot more than they lose, and they constantly find talent in the draft. Plenty of the top 25-50-100 prospects were not top 15 picks.

I think that has alot to do w/ paying a kid a couple million to play in the minors. I dunno too much but could name a couple Yankee busts; here is their 4.55 million A ball pitcher's line (Andrew Brackman): 1-12 Record, 90.2 IP, 76 R, 67 ER, 94 H, 66 BB, 86 K, 6.65 ERA, 1.76 WHIP. If someone had the time it would be interesting to see the risk/reward ratio of paying minor leaguers that type of money vs. free agents.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/234365-is-yankees-pitching-prospect-andrew-brackman-already-a-bust

Lip Man 1
09-07-2009, 04:27 PM
Hitmen:

A couple things.

First off remember the Sox also opened the season with Corky Miller and Mike MacDougal on the roster! (gag)

I did a story for WSI once talking about what if, if MLB had two divisions and expanded playoffs back in the day. The Sox would have made it three times in the 1950's and three times in the 1960's.

Lip