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SOX ADDICT '73
08-29-2009, 09:14 PM
This is how badly the AL Central sucks: the three teams who are supposed to be contending for the division title scored a grand total of ONE RUN today.

How can a summer that seemed so short (I'm a teacher) have a baseball season that feels so loooong?

JB98
08-29-2009, 09:17 PM
Texas 3, Minnesota 0

The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

Zakath
08-29-2009, 11:12 PM
Whoever manages not to lose the AL Central is going to end up going to New York or LA (depending on who wins the wild card) and would probably have to go through both (without home field advantage) to get to the Series.

Given that, the scariest stat right now is that the best road record in the AL Central belongs not to the Tigers, or the Twins, or the White Sox, but instead belongs to the Indians at 29-36.

hawkjt
08-30-2009, 01:05 AM
As bad as the AL Central is, I always go back to the interleague games...the Tigers crushed the Cubs and Brewers, the Twins crushed the Cubs and Brewers..and the Sox beat the Brewers and should be 4-1 vs the Cubs.

I just hope the Rays catch fire vs the tigers the next 6 games they play them over the next couple of weeks. The Sox have to stand up and take care of the twins themselves.

SOX ADDICT '73
08-30-2009, 08:08 AM
As bad as the AL Central is, I always go back to the interleague games...the Tigers crushed the Cubs and Brewers, the Twins crushed the Cubs and Brewers..and the Sox beat the Brewers and should be 4-1 vs the Cubs.

I just hope the Rays catch fire vs the tigers the next 6 games they play them over the next couple of weeks. The Sox have to stand up and take care of the twins themselves.
I've been eulogizing this season like most everyone else, but if they go into The Dump and somehow sweep the Twins, my outlook will improve considerably!

chisoxfanatic
08-30-2009, 11:37 AM
Texas 3, Minnesota 0

The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.
We need to see that at least 20 more times this season!

voodoochile
08-30-2009, 01:25 PM
Tampa leading 3-1 bottom of 5th.

MarkZ35
08-30-2009, 02:33 PM
Detroit comes back in the 8th with 3 runs scored with 2 outs. Looks like the Tigers division to lose now.

ChiSox81
08-30-2009, 10:20 PM
How is this for how crappy the AL central is...

The Orioles are 54-77 and their elimination #4

The Royals are 50-80 and their elimination #14

Nobody from the Central should even be allowed in the playoffs. I mean the Sox are the best team in the AL central and they suck.

soltrain21
08-30-2009, 10:27 PM
How is this for how crappy the AL central is...

The Orioles are 54-77 and their elimination #4

The Royals are 50-80 and their elimination #14

Nobody from the Central should even be allowed in the playoffs. I mean the Sox are the best team in the AL central and they suck.

No, they are not.

thomas35forever
08-31-2009, 12:58 AM
How is this for how crappy the AL central is...

The Orioles are 54-77 and their elimination #4

The Royals are 50-80 and their elimination #14

Nobody from the Central should even be allowed in the playoffs. I mean the Sox are the best team in the AL central and they suck.
The Orioles are not in the AL Central.

SOX ADDICT '73
08-31-2009, 08:59 AM
The Orioles are not in the AL Central.
I think the point was that Baltimore has a better record than KC, but is far closer to being eliminated in their division.

MarkZ35
08-31-2009, 01:55 PM
Tigers getting smashed 8-2. They are just delaying the inevitable and making the Sox feel like they still have a chance.

October26
08-31-2009, 03:00 PM
The final score for the game today (Aug 31st) was Tampa Bay 11, Detroit 7.

hawkjt
08-31-2009, 03:03 PM
Sox need to win tonite, get to 5 back.
Tigers will be going down to Tampa for 4 more next week.

Twins_Morneau
08-31-2009, 11:31 PM
That Mauer has become something special. Our bum owners better sign him this winter, or theres gonna finally be a revolt.:angry:

MarkZ35
09-01-2009, 10:49 PM
That Mauer has become something special. Our bum owners better sign him this winter, or theres gonna finally be a revolt.:angry:
He's going to sign else where. He wants to win games in the playoffs.

DSpivack
09-01-2009, 11:06 PM
He's going to sign else where. He wants to win games in the playoffs.

Twins fans will lustlily boo their former catcher when he returns on a certain division rival.

Twins_Morneau
09-02-2009, 05:09 AM
He's going to sign else where. He wants to win games in the playoffs.

Its upto the owners to sign some people to make this team better or he's gone. And no I don't think Mauer will be booed like AJ, I mean we don't boo Santanna or Hunter.:scratch:

FloridaTigers
09-02-2009, 11:31 AM
Twins fans will lustlily boo their former catcher when he returns on a certain division rival.

Ah yes, when the Tigers visit new Target Field. :D:

DSpivack
09-02-2009, 03:12 PM
Its upto the owners to sign some people to make this team better or he's gone. And no I don't think Mauer will be booed like AJ, I mean we don't boo Santanna or Hunter.:scratch:

Deep pink=me dreaming the Sox signing him.

I'd rather see him stay in Minnesota than go to Boston or NY.

Nellie_Fox
09-02-2009, 03:18 PM
Deep pink=me dreaming the Sox signing him.

I'd rather see him stay in Minnesota than go to Boston or NY.With Posada getting to the end of his career, you just know the Yankees will throw the bank at Mauer after next year. Will his being a "home-town boy" outweigh the money that the Twins can't possibly match?

Twins_Morneau
09-02-2009, 07:56 PM
Man what a crushing loss. Nathans saves lately have been adventures, and things finally caught up with him.:(:

Go Indians.
http://www3.allaroundphilly.com/blogs/trentonian/yankeessuck/uploaded_images/sheen-794607.jpg

DSpivack
09-02-2009, 08:08 PM
With Posada getting to the end of his career, you just know the Yankees will throw the bank at Mauer after next year. Will his being a "home-town boy" outweigh the money that the Twins can't possibly match?

If he has a season like this one in 2010, I imagine he could get something around $20 mil/yr. If he were to stay with the Twins, you're right that he would have to take quite the pay cut. It'll be interesting to see what he does.

Tragg
09-02-2009, 08:21 PM
While I certainly would prefer that the Tigers win this division over the Twins, I'm not yet to the point where I can affirmatively root for the Tigers to win their games. Not until we're mathematically toast.

MarkZ35
09-02-2009, 08:29 PM
Tigers win with the help of 5 errors from the Indians.

FloridaTigers
09-03-2009, 03:15 PM
Tigers sweep!

JB98
09-04-2009, 08:54 PM
Indians 5, Twins 2.

The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

JermaineDye05
09-04-2009, 09:37 PM
Joe Maddon with a big mistake. He didn't pinch run for Carlos Pena and Evan Longoria's double only scores 1. Game probably could be tied.

JermaineDye05
09-04-2009, 09:40 PM
Tigers win. I really do not understand Maddon not pinch running for Pena in the 9th with 2 outs and down 2. Unless he was out of players on the bench, that's the only thing I can think of. But with rosters expanded, you have to think they have someone significantly faster than Pena.

MarkZ35
09-04-2009, 09:42 PM
Pena is actually pretty quick but there HAD to be someone faster on their bench.

Twins_Morneau
09-05-2009, 09:55 AM
Twins are done, man since that case of Vertigo Morneau had a month ago, he has gone from possible MVP to hitting around the Mendoza line... He could be the AL version of Pujols if it wasn't for the last 2 seasons of disappearing in Sept/Oct.:scratch:

ma-gaga
09-05-2009, 10:08 AM
With Posada getting to the end of his career, you just know the Yankees will throw the bank at Mauer after next year. Will his being a "home-town boy" outweigh the money that the Twins can't possibly match?


I have no doubt that the Twins will pay Mauer. He will be their first $100mm player. The details, I'm not so sure of, but they cannot let him leave, even if it means making him the second highest paid player in the game.

:cool:

DSpivack
09-05-2009, 11:26 AM
Where's the September thread? :tongue:

mzh
09-05-2009, 06:36 PM
Tampa leading the Kittens 4-1 early on...

oeo
09-05-2009, 06:41 PM
I have no doubt that the Twins will pay Mauer. He will be their first $100mm player. The details, I'm not so sure of, but they cannot let him leave, even if it means making him the second highest paid player in the game.

:cool:
What do they do about the rest of the team?

Danielgosox38
09-05-2009, 06:50 PM
4-3 Tampa. They are trying to cough this game up too.

ChiSox81
09-05-2009, 06:54 PM
4-3 Tampa. They are trying to cough this game up too.

The Tigers have Armando Galaraga pitching though. He is a bad pitcher I expect him to give up a couple more ER.

oeo
09-05-2009, 07:10 PM
Rays put up 2 more to make it 6-3. Galarraga already out of the game.

Danielgosox38
09-05-2009, 08:12 PM
6-5 Tampa. Ugh. Cmon Rays hold on.

Danielgosox38
09-05-2009, 08:17 PM
Tie game, and Tigers still threatening. The Tigers have played great ball lately.

JB98
09-05-2009, 08:21 PM
Tampa gets a DP to get out of the seventh, but the Tigers get three and tie it at 6-6.

DSpivack
09-05-2009, 08:32 PM
Game on MLB Network, for those that have it.

Danielgosox38
09-05-2009, 08:53 PM
Tigers lead 7-6. This is where that huge hole we dug ourselves in, on that roadtrip really hurts.

MarkZ35
09-05-2009, 08:54 PM
Maddon continues to micromanage the Rays bullpen unsuccessfully again today.

michned
09-05-2009, 08:56 PM
Looks like the Tigers are going on a run of their own.

JB98
09-05-2009, 09:24 PM
It is Detroit's division to lose. So far, they show no intention of losing it.

Tigers win 8-6 tonight.

SOX ADDICT '73
09-05-2009, 09:48 PM
In the past couple of weeks, the number of come-from-behind Tigers wins coupled with the number of walk-off Sox losses has me wanting to blow my brains out!

Twins_Morneau
09-06-2009, 07:14 AM
Agreed its over, I guess its time to turn attention to Vikings.

Dibbs
09-06-2009, 09:58 AM
In the past couple of weeks, the number of come-from-behind Tigers wins coupled with the number of walk-off Sox losses has me wanting to blow my brains out!

It is unbelievable. We have lost many games we should have won, and they have won many games they should have lost. I have to hand it to them, they have executed while we rolled over.

Twins_Morneau
09-06-2009, 03:03 PM
Another day, another loss to the Indians.:shakehead:

JermaineDye05
09-06-2009, 03:10 PM
Joe Maddon has lost it.

He just made his 3rd call to the bullpen in the 9th inning.

Lance Cormier struck the first guy out. Grant Balfour walked Cabrera. JP Howell walked Marcus Thames who was pinch hitting for Huff. Now Russ Springer is in to face Maggs.

JermaineDye05
09-06-2009, 03:11 PM
Tigers now have the bases loaded with 1 out.

This TB bullpen is getting hammered this series.

JermaineDye05
09-06-2009, 03:15 PM
Wow, I have no idea what Maddon was thinking.

Brandon Inge with a grand slam. Tigers lead 5-3.

Twins_Morneau
09-06-2009, 03:18 PM
Tampa Bay has been a real let down this series.

Zakath
09-06-2009, 03:19 PM
Wow, I have no idea what Maddon was thinking.

Brandon Inge with a grand slam. Tigers lead 5-3.

They're pulling games out of their asses like they're going out of style.

Zakath
09-06-2009, 03:23 PM
Tampa used 5 pitchers in the top of the ninth to try and nail down a win.

Freaking pathetic.

Dibbs
09-06-2009, 03:33 PM
Maddon is a fool.

Zakath
09-06-2009, 03:33 PM
Over in Tampa. 5-3 Tigers.

I don't even want to think about how many 7th, 8th, and 9th inning comebacks they've pulled this season, especially in the last month.

Tampa's mailing it in now. They have no chance of catching Boston or Texas for the WC.

FloridaTigers
09-06-2009, 03:36 PM
It is unbelievable. We have lost many games we should have won, and they have won many games they should have lost. I have to hand it to them, they have executed while we rolled over.

Looking back at the ways the Tigers lost in 2008, its just balancing out naturally.

Patrick134
09-06-2009, 05:14 PM
Looking back at the ways the Tigers lost in 2008, its just balancing out naturally.


Tigers have no chance to advance in the playoffs ( ditto had it been the Sox though).

hawkjt
09-06-2009, 05:42 PM
Tigers are playing like a team that wants to stick the knife in and finish off the Sox and twins....three comebacks in 3 days in Tampa...that will just about do it. Just goes to show that Hawk is right when he says, dont tell me what you hit, but when you hit it....Tigers hit the same as the Sox(.261),and do not pitch as well ERA wise...but are kicking our rear ends due to the Tigers ability to get clutch hitting and pitching...win 4 one run games in a row, then lose 12-1-type of season.

As for the playoffs, Tigers would play the yanks, who destroy them...but Verlander gives them a chance to win one game if he is not oppo of CC.

Dibbs
09-06-2009, 06:37 PM
This is why I get upset at tough losses throughout the year. For some reason, people don't think bad losses matter the first three or four months of the year.

ClawsDeep
09-06-2009, 06:38 PM
Tigers were supposed to get destroyed by the yanks in 2006.

Oblong
09-06-2009, 07:56 PM
It is unbelievable. We have lost many games we should have won, and they have won many games they should have lost. I have to hand it to them, they have executed while we rolled over.

The Tigers, as have most teams, have also lost many games they should have won.

Oblong
09-06-2009, 08:03 PM
As for the playoffs, Tigers would play the yanks, who destroy them...but Verlander gives them a chance to win one game if he is not oppo of CC.

Yep. That's what they said in 2006. ESPN all but conceded the series to the Yankees. Just going through the motions. Karl Ravech at one point made reference to a Tigers-Yankees game as "We'll have more highlights after the Yankees game."

As for this year:

Tigers win 4-2 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET200904270.shtml)

Tigers lose 8-6 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET200904290.shtml)

Tigers lose 5-3 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200907170.shtml)

Tigers lose 2-1 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200907180.shtml)

Tigers lose 2-1 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200907190.shtml)

3 games within 2 runs and 2 games within a run. Not exactly what I'd call "Destroy".

Sure on paper it looks like Boston and the Yankees are always so much better than the rest of the league but the playoffs often tell a different story.

SOX ADDICT '73
09-06-2009, 08:51 PM
This very much has the feeling of 2005, when down the stretch it seemed like the Indians would never lose a freaking game. The big difference is, we were in FRONT back then...

JB98
09-06-2009, 09:00 PM
On the bright side, Cleveland 3, Minnesota 1.

The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

TommyJohn
09-06-2009, 09:13 PM
Yep. That's what they said in 2006. ESPN all but conceded the series to the Yankees. Just going through the motions. Karl Ravech at one point made reference to a Tigers-Yankees game as "We'll have more highlights after the Yankees game."


Your first mistake was watching ESPN. But in their defense, in 2006 the Tigers stumbled and bumbled their way into the playoffs-they had to beat the Royals just once in the final weekend of the season to clinch the division outright and they couldn't do it-their second half collapse was almost epic. The wildcard saved them from going down in history as one of the great chokers of all time, right up there with the 2005 White Sox. But once they got in, they caught fire.

JermaineDye05
09-06-2009, 09:14 PM
One huge difference between the Sox and Tigers this year is that when a team is just asking to be beat, the Tigers actually grab that opportunity by the balls. Whereas the Sox just seem to struggle with the other team as they too are trying to give the game away.

Oblong
09-06-2009, 09:20 PM
Your first mistake was watching ESPN. But in their defense, in 2006 the Tigers stumbled and bumbled their way into the playoffs-they had to beat the Royals just once in the final weekend of the season to clinch the division outright and they couldn't do it-their second half collapse was almost epic. The wildcard saved them from going down in history as one of the great chokers of all time, right up there with the 2005 White Sox. But once they got in, they caught fire.

Unfortunately I had to watch ESPN because it was airing the eventually rained out game 2 of the series. This was one of those "Let's go to the studio with Kark Ravech to see what's coming up on Baseball Tonight."

cards press box
09-06-2009, 09:36 PM
As for the playoffs, Tigers would play the yanks, who destroy them...but Verlander gives them a chance to win one game if he is not oppo of CC.

If the Tigers' current lead holds, they should easily be able to set their rotation for the Division Series. That was one problem the Sox had last year: they couldn't set their rotation and ended up starting Javy Vazquez in Game 1. Hawk Harrelson was the only major figure to urge the Sox -- before the fact -- to start Clayton Richard and hopefully exploit the Rays' weakness against lefties. Richard pitched well (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/richacl01.shtml) in the series, posting a 1.42 ERA in 6 and 1/3 innings. Anyway, what might the Sox have done if they could have started John Danks in Game 1 on full rest? I guess we'll never know.

As for the Tigers' chances against the Yanks, I think that Justin Verlander can beat Sabathia or any other Yankee starter either at home or on the road. Washburn has been hurt but Nate Robertson has pitched well in his two most recent outings. A quartet of Verlander, Edwin Jackson, Rick Porcello and Robertson could be tough in the playoffs.

What would Yankee nation and Yankee fans everywhere do if Verlander shuts the Bombers down and the Tigers find a way to win the series?

PKalltheway
09-06-2009, 10:01 PM
Tigers have no chance to advance in the playoffs ( ditto had it been the Sox though).
Come on now, I know we're Sox fans, but don't be facetious. Of course the Tigers have a chance. Personally, I'd love to see the Tigers kick the Yankees' ass in the playoffs....

FloridaTigers
09-06-2009, 10:38 PM
If the Tigers reach the post-season, the big concern will be the offense. As Oblong pointed out, all those Yankees losses this year were by one or two runs. The pitching was very good, atleast in the Yankee Stadium series, which is no easy feat. I have confidence that Justin Verlander, Edwin Jackson, Jarrod Washburn (if he can get healthy) and Rick Porcello can be a dangerous playoff rotation. Three of the four have World Series experience. And if you must replace Washburn with say Robertson, it isn't a total loss with this newfound stuff Robertson seems to have found. It all comes down to hitting. The Tigers have been mashing the ball pretty well the last couple weeks. If they go cold in October, they'll be swept. If they keep it up, the Tigers will once again be a darkhorse.

cards press box
09-06-2009, 10:41 PM
And if you must replace Washburn with say Robertson, it isn't a total loss with this newfound stuff Robertson seems to have found.

Where has Robertson been all year? Was he hurt or was he sent down for ineffectiveness?

Oblong
09-06-2009, 11:33 PM
Robertson was horrible last year and through a few performances this year, then he was found to have a mass in his elbow and had it removed. Worked his way back and his performance since then has been great. I still won't say he's back though.

Bonderman pitched in the game last night too.

MarkZ35
09-06-2009, 11:43 PM
After watching the Rays last 5 games I have come to realize that Maddon isn't a great manager during games. He may be one of the best before or after games but his in game decisions are about on par with Ozzie Guillen. Like I said yesterday, he really micromanages his bullpen. In the last 5 games he has used 23 relievers in about 12 innings. That may work out sometimes but I see it as a recipe for disaster more times.

hawkjt
09-10-2009, 12:35 AM
Verlander gets beat by KC....ok, the cracking could be starting. Verlander has got to run outta gas eventually after all these 126 pitch nites...maybe he will be worn out for the last 3+ weeks...if he slides, that whole rotation could follow. Go KC!

oeo
09-10-2009, 03:36 AM
After watching the Rays last 5 games I have come to realize that Maddon isn't a great manager during games. He may be one of the best before or after games but his in game decisions are about on par with Ozzie Guillen. Like I said yesterday, he really micromanages his bullpen. In the last 5 games he has used 23 relievers in about 12 innings. That may work out sometimes but I see it as a recipe for disaster more times.

Let this be an example of how when your players do their job, you're a genius and when they don't, you're a dumbass. You're only as good as the 25 guys on your roster, and your bullpen management is only as good as the 7 guys in your bullpen.

Craig Grebeck
09-10-2009, 03:59 AM
Let this be an example of how when your players do their job, you're a genius and when they don't, you're a dumbass. You're only as good as the 25 guys on your roster, and your bullpen management is only as good as the 7 guys in your bullpen.
Well, there are times when managers can do obviously obtuse things -- like fail to properly utilize a LOOGY or ROOGY.

Oblong
09-10-2009, 07:48 AM
Verlander gets beat by KC....ok, the cracking could be starting. Verlander has got to run outta gas eventually after all these 126 pitch nites...maybe he will be worn out for the last 3+ weeks...if he slides, that whole rotation could follow. Go KC!

He had 8 strikeouts in 6 innings and left with the score 1-0.

spawn
09-10-2009, 08:04 AM
He had 8 strikeouts in 6 innings and left with the score 1-0.
Yep. He's on a downward spiral now.:redneck

hawkjt
09-10-2009, 08:29 AM
He had 8 strikeouts in 6 innings and left with the score 1-0.


Ok, clinging to straws, but why was he pulled so early? Normally they take him to 112 pitches,which he averages...did he throw that many in 6 innnings?

asindc
09-10-2009, 08:47 AM
After watching the Rays last 5 games I have come to realize that Maddon isn't a great manager during games. He may be one of the best before or after games but his in game decisions are about on par with Ozzie Guillen. Like I said yesterday, he really micromanages his bullpen. In the last 5 games he has used 23 relievers in about 12 innings. That may work out sometimes but I see it as a recipe for disaster more times.

Using a lot of relievers means that none of them are getting the job done. Utilizing fewer relievers during those five games you mentioned would mean that Madden had left ineffective relievers in the game to get shelled. The "micro managing" you accuse Madden of was only his attempt to find somebody (anybody!) to put out the fire.

Oblong
09-10-2009, 08:47 AM
Ok, clinging to straws, but why was he pulled so early? Normally they take him to 112 pitches,which he averages...did he throw that many in 6 innnings?

Clinging to straws? Was it his best game? No. But he threw a lot of pitches in his last 2 starts (126 pitches, 8 IP, 7K, 1BB 1ER and 126 pitches, 8 IP, 4K, 3K, 3ER). He threw 112 last night. But the more strikeouts you get the more pitches you throw.

It was a good game to get him out of there early. It was still only 1-0 and the Tiger offense wasn't showing much. That's what bullpens are supposed to be for. They let the team down.

My point is that you have to look beyond what the score of the game was and who the losing pitcher was to determine the fate of that pitcher.

A stud pitcher's not going to go out there every night and dominate.

illinifan1368
09-10-2009, 08:56 AM
Using a lot of relievers means that none of them are getting the job done. Utilizing fewer relievers during those five games you mentioned would mean that Madden had left ineffective relievers in the game to get shelled. The "micro managing" you accuse Madden of was only his attempt to find somebody (anybody!) to put out the fire.
While I agree that none of the guys was getting the job done, Maddon is still at fault to an extent...pick a closer and stick with him! The 9th inning is different than any other and bringing in a new pitcher for every batter is stupid.

asindc
09-10-2009, 09:26 AM
While I agree that none of the guys was getting the job done, Maddon is still at fault to an extent...pick a closer and stick with him! The 9th inning is different than any other and bringing in a new pitcher for every batter is stupid.

I understand your point, but Maddon managed his bullpen that way the last half of last season as well, with no designated closer. I blame the Tampa bullpen for this past weekend, not the manager.

VeeckAsInWreck
09-10-2009, 09:50 AM
I understand your point, but Madden managed his bullpen that way the last half of last season as well, with no designated closer. I blame the Tampa bullpen for this past weekend, not the manager.

http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2009/04/17/john-madden-thumb.jpg
"I had a bullpen?"

hawkjt
09-10-2009, 11:15 AM
Clinging to straws? Was it his best game? No. But he threw a lot of pitches in his last 2 starts (126 pitches, 8 IP, 7K, 1BB 1ER and 126 pitches, 8 IP, 4K, 3K, 3ER). He threw 112 last night. But the more strikeouts you get the more pitches you throw.

It was a good game to get him out of there early. It was still only 1-0 and the Tiger offense wasn't showing much. That's what bullpens are supposed to be for. They let the team down.

My point is that you have to look beyond what the score of the game was and who the losing pitcher was to determine the fate of that pitcher.

A stud pitcher's not going to go out there every night and dominate.


I indicated that I was clinging to straws by saying Verlander might be cracking...as evidenced that he was pulled early for him.
As you indicate, he has often gone to 125+ pitches,so it was unusual to see him out after 6 innings.

He has thrown more pitches this year than any pitcher in MLB,so it is not improbable that he could be getting tired.

Oblong
09-10-2009, 11:39 AM
I indicated that I was clinging to straws by saying Verlander might be cracking...as evidenced that he was pulled early for him.
As you indicate, he has often gone to 125+ pitches,so it was unusual to see him out after 6 innings.

He has thrown more pitches this year than any pitcher in MLB,so it is not improbable that he could be getting tired.

ah, I misunderstood. I thought you meant I was clinging to straws by saying Verlander's outing wasn't that bad.

The very fact he has pitched so much is why I think it was the correct thing to do. The night just had one of those "This isn't our night" feels to it.

MarkZ35
09-10-2009, 01:10 PM
Using a lot of relievers means that none of them are getting the job done. Utilizing fewer relievers during those five games you mentioned would mean that Madden had left ineffective relievers in the game to get shelled. The "micro managing" you accuse Madden of was only his attempt to find somebody (anybody!) to put out the fire.
How can a reliever settle in and pitch effectively when everyone is coming in for 1 batter. Sounds like a losing recipe to me.

oeo
09-10-2009, 02:22 PM
Well, there are times when managers can do obviously obtuse things -- like fail to properly utilize a LOOGY or ROOGY.

This is the exact opposite of what MarkZ accused Maddon and Ozzie of doing.

Ozzie has improved quite a bit the last couple of years in his bullpen management. I really don't know how anyone can accuse him of "micromanaging" the bullpen this year. The one thing I can think of that I've absolutely hated with his bullpen management this year is Linebrink in the set up role. He should have lost that job a long time ago.

illinifan1368
09-10-2009, 02:30 PM
How can a reliever settle in and pitch effectively when everyone is coming in for 1 batter. Sounds like a losing recipe to me.
This is exactly what I was getting at...Maddon screwed the pooch in the Tigers series.

Jimmy Piersall
09-10-2009, 02:36 PM
Jays beat Twinks 3-2
Royals lead Tiggers 2-0 in the 4th

illinifan1368
09-10-2009, 02:37 PM
Jays beat Twinks 3-2
Royals lead Tiggers 2-0 in the 4th
3-0 into the 5th :bandance:

illinifan1368
09-10-2009, 03:09 PM
Royals pitching is tanking. It's 3-3 but they can still scratch this one out. I'm just happy KC won at least 2 of 3.

illinifan1368
09-10-2009, 03:54 PM
Speaking of tanking pitching, the Tigers bullpen is awful.

FielderJones
09-10-2009, 03:59 PM
6-4 Royals in the 7th! Tiger pitching is tanking now too!

Danielgosox38
09-10-2009, 04:05 PM
How did the Royals not get more than one run out of that? Put Soria in 2 innings please. Lol.

illinifan1368
09-10-2009, 04:12 PM
HUGE double play right there!! 3 more outs, hopefully Soria is available today.

Jimmy Piersall
09-10-2009, 04:12 PM
Polanco GIDP to end top of 8th...he's auditioning for a spot on
our team next year.

hi im skot
09-10-2009, 04:15 PM
Callaspo solo shot makes it 7-4 KC.

DaveFeelsRight
09-10-2009, 04:27 PM
the royals love to play spoiler.

illinifan1368
09-10-2009, 04:28 PM
Another DP! 1 out to go!

EDIT: Game! 6 back!

The Immigrant
09-10-2009, 04:30 PM
This is hilarious. Doesn't anyone want to win this division?

hi im skot
09-10-2009, 04:30 PM
And the Sox and Twins continue to somehow stay in this thing...

voodoochile
09-10-2009, 04:33 PM
Thanks, Royals...:tongue:

:sweep

hawkjt
09-10-2009, 05:22 PM
KC sweep makes up a bit for the Rays late inning collaspse last weekend. Tigers should have lost 6 in a row...not playing all that great...c'mon Jays!

MarkZ35
09-10-2009, 05:34 PM
SWEEP ... The Tigers are coming back down to reality just in time to blow the division. Hopefully we can win 3 maybe 4 on this road trip. Then go home and possibly continue to get closer and closer. It's not going to be easy but the Tigers are making it become more and more possible.

chisoxfanatic
09-10-2009, 06:39 PM
Once again, JB98 is letting all of us down!!! JB, get on it!!! :wink:

So, we gained 1.5 games in the past 24 hours. We NEED to gain at least 2 more games by the start of the next homestand.

Noir
09-10-2009, 07:06 PM
The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

JB98
09-10-2009, 07:52 PM
Jays beat Twinks 3-2
Royals lead Tiggers 2-0 in the 4th

The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

SOX ADDICT '73
09-10-2009, 08:51 PM
This is hilarious. Doesn't anyone want to win this division?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2560/3819040795_aae7d24528_o.jpg

I love Carl Skanberg...

Tragg
09-10-2009, 11:12 PM
85 wins takes the prize.

voodoochile
09-10-2009, 11:21 PM
85 wins takes the prize.

If so and if the Sox can cause most of those 3 games under .500 the Kittens will play they will be right in the thick of things...

FloridaTigers
09-11-2009, 12:55 AM
What is this, September 2006 all of a sudden? :scratch:

White City
09-11-2009, 07:31 AM
What is this, September 2006 all of a sudden? :scratch:

No, September 1987. And you're the Blue Jays.

Tragg
09-11-2009, 07:55 AM
We're still 7 games out and losing at home to the lowly As. Angels are hot and we haven't done well at Safeco pretty much ever. I guess if we come back home within 5, we have a chance.

Gammons Peter
09-11-2009, 08:05 AM
SWEEP ... The Tigers are coming back down to reality just in time to blow the division. Hopefully we can win 3 maybe 4 on this road trip. Then go home and possibly continue to get closer and closer. It's not going to be easy but the Tigers are making it become more and more possible.

We're done if thats all we do. Sox need to go 5-1

voodoochile
09-11-2009, 08:38 AM
We're still 7 games out and losing at home to the lowly As. Angels are hot and we haven't done well at Safeco pretty much ever. I guess if we come back home within 5, we have a chance.

Just to be picky, The Sox are 6 games out, not 7...

Gammons Peter
09-11-2009, 08:51 AM
Just to be picky, The Sox are 6 games out, not 7...


its the loss column that matters... and its 7

SOX ADDICT '73
09-11-2009, 09:08 AM
A half-game behind the Twins with three games head-to-head coming up, six back of Detroit with six to play against them...as strange as this sounds, the Sox, at this moment, are in control of their own destiny.:o:

illinifan1368
09-11-2009, 09:22 AM
A half-game behind the Twins with three games head-to-head coming up, six back of Detroit with six to play against them...as strange as this sounds, the Sox, at this moment, are in control of their own destiny.:o:

Technically, no they don't. If the Sox win their remaining games, they will have 91 wins. If the Tigers win their remaining games vs. teams not named the White Sox, they will have 92 wins.

Of course, neither team will come close to winning out so this point is moo...like a cow's opinion...it just doesn't matter....it's moo :tongue:

SOX ADDICT '73
09-11-2009, 09:32 AM
Technically, no they don't. If the Sox win their remaining games, they will have 91 wins. If the Tigers win their remaining games vs. teams not named the White Sox, they will have 92 wins.

Of course, neither team will come close to winning out so this point is moo...like a cow's opinion...it just doesn't matter....it's moo :tongue:
Bubble = burst.:(:

voodoochile
09-11-2009, 09:36 AM
its the loss column that matters... and its 7

I thought they caught those games up, but I checked and obviously you are correct. The plus side of that is that the Kittens have only one day off between now and the end of the season. The Sox still have 3. That might play a factor coming down to the end of a long grind... I'm still not drinking the Kool-Aid, but I'll still hold on to some hope...

Oblong
09-11-2009, 11:45 AM
No, September 1987. And you're the Blue Jays.

I prefer the 1987 Twins. (85-77)

illinifan1368
09-11-2009, 06:19 PM
Man, Toronto just came a foot away from a grand slam

MarkZ35
09-11-2009, 07:12 PM
Toronto jumps out to a 2-1 lead in the 4th.

illinifan1368
09-11-2009, 07:17 PM
Robertson played with fire all night and the Blue Jays are finally burning him....now it looks like he may be injured and his night is done, 3.2 IP

Galarraga in looking to put out the fire

illinifan1368
09-11-2009, 07:59 PM
Oakland 3-1 Minnesota
Toronto 3-1 Detroit

Hold on boys!

SOX ADDICT '73
09-11-2009, 08:21 PM
Oakland leads 6-1, but just pissed away a great scoring opportunity in the 4th: 2 on, no out, Kennedy, Davis, and Sweeney coming up. Kennedy grounds to 1st, so "ducks on the pond" and 1 out; Davis lines out to 2B; Sweeney (who apparently hits .850 against us and .120 vs. everyone else) grounds out to the pitcher. Very White Sox-esque!

Way too early in the game for that crap; a five-run lead is no sort of cushion against the Twins in that ballpark.

illinifan1368
09-11-2009, 08:22 PM
Both teams pouring it on!!

Oakland 6-1 Minnesota
Toronto 6-1 Detroit

MarkZ35
09-11-2009, 08:26 PM
Don't stop now Blue Jays

Danielgosox38
09-11-2009, 08:45 PM
Bluejays are trying to blow this.

MarkZ35
09-11-2009, 08:45 PM
6-3 in the 7th. Tiggers have the bases loaded and 1 out.

SOX ADDICT '73
09-11-2009, 08:46 PM
Twins now getting stomped 9-1, but the Tigers appear to be mounting another of their patented late-inning comebacks...:angry::whiner::(:

illinifan1368
09-11-2009, 08:50 PM
6-4 after 7 :(:

Danielgosox38
09-11-2009, 08:51 PM
6-4 Bluejays going into the 8th. Ugh. Hold them.

SOX ADDICT '73
09-11-2009, 08:53 PM
Coulda been way worse...with a run already in and the bases loaded with one out, the Tigers managed only a station-to-station single and a sac-fly. Still a two run lead for the Jays with two innings to play.:praying:

MarkZ35
09-11-2009, 09:24 PM
6-4 Blue Jays going to the bottom of the 9th.

SOX ADDICT '73
09-11-2009, 09:25 PM
Y'know, it kinda pisses me off that I've spent the better part of this evening following and fretting over these two games, and the Sox come out and take a dump in the first inning in Anaheim.

JB98
09-11-2009, 09:28 PM
Y'know, it kinda pisses me off that I've spent the better part of this evening following and fretting over these two games, and the Sox come out and take a dump in the first inning in Anaheim.

I've stopped fretting at this point in the season. I have zero expectations.

Brian26
09-11-2009, 09:31 PM
Blue Jays win, 6-4.

Sox currently 5.5 out.

chisoxfan83
09-11-2009, 09:31 PM
jays win! come on sox!

Twins_Morneau
09-11-2009, 09:37 PM
God we suck, there needs to be an Amber Alert for Morneau.

SOX ADDICT '73
09-11-2009, 10:33 PM
:twinslose
...finally! They tried to make it interesting in the 9th, scoring 4, but when you're down 11 going in, you're just wasting everyone's time.

C'mon, stupid Sox offense - WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!

JB98
09-11-2009, 10:58 PM
Oakland 12, Minnesota 5

The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

Nellie_Fox
09-12-2009, 12:10 AM
The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.Could this possibly be any more tired?

chisoxfanatic
09-12-2009, 12:25 AM
Could this possibly be any more tired?
Nope. Many of us here love JB98 for it.

Nellie_Fox
09-12-2009, 01:19 AM
Nope. Many of us here love JB98 for it.I don't know about "many." I know you do; I haven't seen many other people all that excited about it. Just how many times does it have to be repeated before it stops being clever to you?

Marqhead
09-12-2009, 01:30 AM
I don't know about "many." I know you do; I haven't seen many other people all that excited about it. Just how many times does it have to be repeated before it stops being clever to you?

:thumbsup:

Thanks Nellie, for taking up the cause I was far to lazy to start.

gobears1987
09-12-2009, 01:33 AM
I'm going to have to chime in to support the phrase. It is one that can never be overused. Every day the Twins lose is a good one.

asindc
09-12-2009, 05:33 AM
Could this possibly be any more tired?

I'm not tired of it at all. In fact, I would like it if JB98 has reason to post it about 100 times each season.

SBSoxFan
09-12-2009, 06:46 AM
God we suck, there needs to be an Amber Alert for Morneau.

How is this a surprise to you? That guy should play for the Cubs, because, except for 2006, he's completely useless by September too.

WhiteSoxOnly
09-12-2009, 12:40 PM
I'm not tired of it at all. In fact, I would like it if JB98 has reason to post it about 100 times each season.

Exactly.Maybe a word or two added,you know,a little tweak
here or there to spice it up but it's the thought that counts.:wink:

SOX ADDICT '73
09-12-2009, 04:43 PM
Could this possibly be any more tired?
Nope. Many of us here love JB98 for it.
Count me in. So it's not clever; few things that become traditions are. I look forward to it like the "I've got a bad feeling about this" line in every Star Wars movie. You know it's coming, and you usually groan when you hear it, but you'd miss it if it weren't there. I even enjoy reading it on days when it doesn't feel particularly true. Keep up the fight, JB98!:thumbsup:

Twins_Morneau
09-12-2009, 05:03 PM
How is this a surprise to you? That guy should play for the Cubs, because, except for 2006, he's completely useless by September too.

Its been a disturbing trend of disappearing in September the last 2 seasons..:scratch:

If not for these last 2 Septembers, he would have 3 MVPs in 4 years.

Forget it this team has quit, we need Torii Hunter back, Morneau is no Leader.:angry:

MarySwiss
09-12-2009, 06:20 PM
I don't know about "many." I know you do; I haven't seen many other people all that excited about it. Just how many times does it have to be repeated before it stops being clever to you?
Sorry, Nellie; I too agree with Heather and JB98. And who decided something has to be "clever" in order to be repeated? How often has "na na hey hey" been sung? Should it be shut down because it's been repeated?

MarkZ35
09-12-2009, 06:35 PM
Dtroit down early. 2-1 in the top of the 2nd

soxfanreggie
09-12-2009, 06:51 PM
Detroit on top now 3-2 in the 3rd. Avila with a 2-run homer. Huge gain for us if the Jays can squeak this one out.

WhiteSoxOnly
09-12-2009, 07:01 PM
Its been a disturbing trend of disappearing in September the last 2 seasons..:scratch:

If not for these last 2 Septembers, he would have 3 MVPs in 4 years.

Forget it this team has quit, we need Torii Hunter back, Morneau is no Leader.:angry:

That doesn't sound like your Twins at all there.I'd be surprised
if they packed it in but it works for us.Regarding Morneau the
non-leader,we'll take him anytime.

soxfanreggie
09-12-2009, 07:41 PM
Regarding Morneau the
non-leader,we'll take him anytime.

I'm sure we can get a Morneau jersey made up in about...30 minutes. He can feel free to come on over to the "Black Side". :D:

Danielgosox38
09-12-2009, 08:09 PM
6-5 Tigers in 7th.

Rohan
09-12-2009, 08:21 PM
Damn you, Miguel Cabrera...
It's alright the Jay's can still capitalize here..

Rohan
09-12-2009, 08:24 PM
Wild pitch, Jays score!

Tied 6-6 in the 8th.

illini81887
09-12-2009, 08:24 PM
Tied at 6 on wild pitch

MarkZ35
09-12-2009, 08:32 PM
Wild pitches are in the Sox favor today

illini81887
09-12-2009, 08:45 PM
2run hr for aaron hill, 8-6 jays

Rohan
09-12-2009, 08:45 PM
Hell yes! Hill hits a 2 run blast with Scutaro on 2nd.

Jays lead 8-6 in the top of the 9th with 2 outs.

pdimas
09-12-2009, 08:46 PM
:gulp::smile: Wow... Hopefully our boys keep stringing wins together

WhiteSoxOnly
09-12-2009, 08:47 PM
Hell yes! Hill hits a 2 run blast with Scutaro on 2nd.

Jays lead 8-6 in the top of the 9th with 2 outs.

Sweet news indeed ! Jays haven't closed up shop at all.

Rohan
09-12-2009, 08:48 PM
Sweet news indeed ! Jays haven't closed up shop at all.

One of the best parts of this is the Tigers bullpen getting even more beat up.

Dirty30
09-12-2009, 08:55 PM
Leadoff single. Mags up.

MarkZ35
09-12-2009, 08:56 PM
Magglio pinch hitting with tying run up with nobody out in the bottom of the 9th

Dirty30
09-12-2009, 08:57 PM
Maybe it is just me, but Downs does not look good tonight.

TDog
09-12-2009, 08:57 PM
One of the best parts of this is the Tigers bullpen getting even more beat up.

Of course, that doesn't mean much if Porcello goes deep into Sunday's game and the Tigers score enough runs that only September callups are needed to finish the game out.

Something interesting, that I hope doesn't happen, if the Tigers get 3 in the bottom of the ninth, Ni will become one of the rare pitchers who gets a win without throwing a pitch.

As I wrote, I really hope that doesn't happen.

Dirty30
09-12-2009, 08:58 PM
Maggs K's. 1 out. Granderson up.

Dirty30
09-12-2009, 08:59 PM
Granderson flies out. 2 out, Polanco up. Frasor coming in.

MarkZ35
09-12-2009, 08:59 PM
2 outs

MarkZ35
09-12-2009, 09:05 PM
Damn it

Rohan
09-12-2009, 09:06 PM
Polanco hits a bloop single.

Men at 1st and 3rd. Rayburn up..

Shut em down, Jays.

MarkZ35
09-12-2009, 09:06 PM
Double probably ties it here.

Rohan
09-12-2009, 09:08 PM
Swinging strike on Rayburn

1-2 on him...

MarkZ35
09-12-2009, 09:11 PM
That ballgame is OVAH

Rohan
09-12-2009, 09:11 PM
He gone! Another half game closer.

voodoochile
09-12-2009, 09:11 PM
Kittens Lose!

5!!!

cbone
09-12-2009, 09:11 PM
My thoughts exactly!! Thanks kittens!! :gulp:

WhiteSoxOnly
09-12-2009, 09:12 PM
Hell to the Yes ! :bandance:

jsg-07
09-12-2009, 09:14 PM
Wow... what a crazy season..


Lets give em a run boys...Season not over yet..

pdimas
09-12-2009, 09:15 PM
Rodney with another meltdown haha :gulp:

pdimas
09-12-2009, 09:16 PM
Hah as soon as the game was ending Bill Withers - Lovely Day started playing on my itunes shuffle. Perfect.

GoGoCrede
09-12-2009, 09:17 PM
They've been Thunderstruck.:D:

Let me reiterate...we're with you all the way, Sox. Take advantage of this.

Brian26
09-12-2009, 09:18 PM
5.0 out, are you kidding me?

Wow

SOXSINCE'70
09-12-2009, 09:25 PM
Could there be a miracle on 35th street??:scratch:

Please,let me be wrong about the season being O-VAH. :praying:

GlassSox
09-12-2009, 09:36 PM
Let's go SOX! :gulp:

Zakath
09-12-2009, 09:41 PM
It appears the law of averages is starting to work on the Tigers.

The number we need is now 26.

soxfanreggie
09-12-2009, 10:10 PM
Huge game there in our benefit. If we can come out tomorrow and take care of business, it would be really nice if the Jays could help us out some.

I'm sure Mayor Daley would send up a load of Chicago style pizzas if they can do this again tomorrow.

JB98
09-12-2009, 10:20 PM
Rumor has it that Oakland won today. You know what that means?

It means that the Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers. And they're back in third place where they ****ing belong.

Does that provide people with the variety they were hoping for? :D:

WhiteSoxOnly
09-12-2009, 10:43 PM
Rumor has it that Oakland won today. You know what that means?

It means that the Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers. And they're back in third place where they ****ing belong.

Does that provide people with the variety they were hoping for? :D:

That will work just fine.

gobears1987
09-13-2009, 12:15 AM
Rumor has it that Oakland won today. You know what that means?

It means that the Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers. And they're back in third place where they ****ing belong.

Does that provide people with the variety they were hoping for? :D:
Just keep it coming.

White City
09-13-2009, 09:33 AM
Even a few starts by Peavy can be the difference here.

guillensdisciple
09-14-2009, 07:43 PM
Tiggers losing means Sox can be forgiven for yesterday.

Tigers don't rest much until the end of the season- we do.

1989
09-14-2009, 08:46 PM
Tigers score 3 in the 9th to tie game 5-5. They are running on pixie dust apparently.

Danielgosox38
09-14-2009, 08:46 PM
Tigers tied it up in bottom of 9th.

guillensdisciple
09-14-2009, 08:47 PM
Wow- now that is craptacular.

Tigers win this one and the sox might as well begin playing their subs.

JermaineDye05
09-14-2009, 08:47 PM
Aubrey Huff just tied the game with a pinch hit 3run bomb. Jays led off the 9th with an error, never good. If the Tigers come back to win this game then that might just give them the momentum to go on a run to finally clinch this dreadful division.

EDIT: Actually it's like essentially a double edged sword. For if the bullpen blows it for the Tigers and this comeback turns out to be all for naught then that could be crippling for the Tigers and give the White Sox and possibly Twins (barf) an edge to make a run to overtake the division for once.

Brian26
09-14-2009, 08:51 PM
Tigers ain't going to lose this division when stuff like this happens.

1989
09-14-2009, 09:05 PM
Tigers ain't going to lose this division when stuff like this happens.

it's quite magical really

Brian26
09-14-2009, 09:09 PM
it's quite magical really

I'm not sure if the Sox have scored three runs in the 9th inning all season.

1989
09-14-2009, 09:10 PM
I'm not sure if the Sox have scored three runs in the 9th inning all season.

Well the Joe Nathan game comes to mind

JermaineDye05
09-14-2009, 09:11 PM
Back to back 1 out walks for the Tigers. This game is just about over. If this doesn't jump start the Tigers, I don't know what will.

JermaineDye05
09-14-2009, 09:12 PM
Game over. Tigers win.

JB98
09-14-2009, 09:14 PM
I'm not sure if the Sox have scored three runs in the 9th inning all season.

They got three in the ninth against the Tigers that night that Wise got thrown out at the plate. Of course, the Sox lost that one in 10.

JermaineDye05
09-14-2009, 09:16 PM
They got three in the ninth against the Tigers that night that Wise got thrown out at the plate. Of course, the Sox lost that one in 10.

Well one could argue that Wise was safe. However, one could also argue that the Josh Paul caught the ball after AJ's strikeout.

Tragg
09-14-2009, 09:17 PM
Lose on a SS error.
Aubrey Huff would be a nice alternative in that spot Kotsay seems to be pencilled in. Pretty good LH bat and he can play corner infield or outfield.

Danielgosox38
09-14-2009, 09:19 PM
Tigers are going to win the division. Unfortunately. The Sox dug their own grave.

1989
09-14-2009, 09:22 PM
these two games

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200906090.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET200907250.shtml

are the difference between the Sox being 6 1/2 and 2 1/2 games out. Both we should of won, and of course we lose both. I fully expect to win the division next year because of the fact that we really can't get worse in 9th inning deficits and the Tigers couldn't be better.

JB98
09-14-2009, 09:26 PM
Lose on a SS error.
Aubrey Huff would be a nice alternative in that spot Kotsay seems to be pencilled in. Pretty good LH bat and he can play corner infield or outfield.

Entering tonight's action, Huff was batting .185 as a member of the Tigers. Don't let that one big hit tonight fool you. He's nothing special. He's an absolute butcher in the field.

GoGoCrede
09-14-2009, 09:39 PM
these two games

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200906090.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/DET/DET200907250.shtml

are the difference between the Sox being 6 1/2 and 2 1/2 games out. Both we should of won, and of course we lose both. I fully expect to win the division next year because of the fact that we really can't get worse in 9th inning deficits and the Tigers couldn't be better.

I was at the first game. What a complete and utter buzzkill it was. Thanks, Linebrink. :whiner: Although it WAS Beckham's first hit game.

MarkZ35
09-14-2009, 09:41 PM
Entering tonight's action, Huff was batting .185 as a member of the Tigers. Don't let that one big hit tonight fool you. He's nothing special. He's an absolute butcher in the field.
I agree. He was having Rios type stats since his acquisition until tonight.

sox1970
09-14-2009, 09:47 PM
Same **** happening in Minnesota. Error by the shortstop, walk, 3-run homer by Cuddyer.

Tragg
09-14-2009, 09:48 PM
Entering tonight's action, Huff was batting .185 as a member of the Tigers. Don't let that one big hit tonight fool you. He's nothing special. He's an absolute butcher in the field.
Boy you're right. So much for my memory. He hasn't hit in a couple of years.

sox1970
09-14-2009, 09:54 PM
Twins take the lead on a wild pitch. Good times.

JB98
09-14-2009, 09:58 PM
Boy you're right. So much for my memory. He hasn't hit in a couple of years.

Yeah. I'd actually rather have Kotsay than Huff because of defense. Kotsay can play both first base and corner outfield pretty well. He doesn't belong in CF anymore, but that won't be an issue if Rios comes out of his coma at the plate.

My fear is the Sox will bring Kotsay back as an everyday player. I don't mind him at all as a part-time player. In fact, he's been a pleasant surprise since coming over from Boston. Quality ABs, and a few big hits on that last homestand.

Tragg
09-14-2009, 10:39 PM
My fear is the Sox will bring Kotsay back as an everyday player. I don't mind him at all as a part-time player. In fact, he's been a pleasant surprise since coming over from Boston. Quality ABs, and a few big hits on that last homestand.
Oh no, they can't do that. I like him too, but he'd be a real good player for the bench.

kruzer31
09-15-2009, 01:08 AM
Lose on a SS error.
Aubrey Huff would be a nice alternative in that spot Kotsay seems to be pencilled in. Pretty good LH bat and he can play corner infield or outfield.

Aubrey Huff is a BUM, no way on want him on our ball club

hawkjt
09-15-2009, 10:07 AM
This nite had the feel of a nail in the Sox coffin. Tigers are playing lousy but have just enough baseball magic to hold on. Comebacks like they have orchestrated the last two weeks have kept them from having a stretch of like 1-10....too bad they pulled miracles to win about 5 of those.:angry:

Dibbs
09-15-2009, 10:26 AM
The Tigers have had more comebacks these past two weeks than the White Sox have had in the past two years.

PKalltheway
09-15-2009, 10:57 AM
I'm not sure if the Sox have scored three runs in the 9th inning all season.
On September 2nd (not even two weeks ago), the Sox scored four in the 9th against Joe Nathan and Matt Guerrier in the Metrodome, all with two outs.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20090902&content_id=6751452&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=away&c_id=cws

Zakath
09-15-2009, 03:26 PM
This nite had the feel of a nail in the Sox coffin. Tigers are playing lousy but have just enough baseball magic to hold on. Comebacks like they have orchestrated the last two weeks have kept them from having a stretch of like 1-10....too bad they pulled miracles to win about 5 of those.:angry:

Last night wasn't a miracle. That was a gift courtesy of Canada's team.

Twins_Morneau
09-15-2009, 05:29 PM
Lets go Royals.

chisoxfanatic
09-15-2009, 06:52 PM
Lets go Royals.
Going to the top of the 3rd, the Royals lead 4-0! They scored all of their runs in the top of the opening frame.

oeo
09-15-2009, 07:30 PM
Going to the top of the 3rd, the Royals lead 4-0! They scored all of their runs in the top of the opening frame.

WSI freaked out when the Tigers picked up Washburn, but he has been an absolute dud. It's now 7-0 in the 4th.

chisoxfanatic
09-15-2009, 07:50 PM
WSI freaked out when the Tigers picked up Washburn, but he has been an absolute dud. It's now 7-0 in the 4th.
The Royals have really been doing a number on the Tigers the past couple of weeks. Hopefully it doesn't happen to us this weekend.

JermaineDye05
09-15-2009, 07:59 PM
Tejeda and the Royals are starting to fall apart in the 5th.

Tejeda walked back-to-back guys with 2 outs. Guillen then singled in a run. Now Gordon bobbles a ball that should have ended the inning. Bases loaded for Cabrera.

JermaineDye05
09-15-2009, 08:02 PM
Tejeda gets out of it by striking out Cabrera

guillensdisciple
09-15-2009, 08:12 PM
Seriously, Detroit is dumb as hell. They can't honestly expect that the Central will be handed to them.

Well, I know the Sox are doing their best to do that, but giving the Sox/ Twinkies any breathing room with 2 weeks left is not a good idea. Especially when they play 9 games against both teams in the final two weeks. Oh well, they are the ones who are making it tough on themselves.

We just need to get within 4 when they come into town.

Sweep their asses, and lets take it to them.

Twins_Morneau
09-15-2009, 08:14 PM
This division is Pathetic. Lets give the Central to the Rangers.:tongue:

chisoxfanatic
09-15-2009, 08:17 PM
Seriously, Detroit is dumb as hell. They can't honestly expect that the Central will be handed to them.

Well, I know the Sox are doing their best to do that, but giving the Sox/ Twinkies any breathing room with 2 weeks left is not a good idea. Especially when they play 9 games against both teams in the final two weeks. Oh well, they are the ones who are making it tough on themselves.

We just need to get within 4 when they come into town.

Sweep their asses, and lets take it to them.
That would actually be 12 games. They still play the Twins twice as well.

My desires for things to happen:

1. Of course, sweeping all 6 games from the Tigers.
2. The Twins winning 4 of 6 against the Tigers.

JermaineDye05
09-15-2009, 08:29 PM
Miguel Olivo has the two hardest parts of the cycle out of the way, a triple and a homer. It is the 7th though, So I doubt he'll get more than one at bat unless the Royals continue to pound the Tigers.

11-1 Royals.

Twins_Morneau
09-15-2009, 08:55 PM
O-Cab HR! 3-3 Twins

oeo
09-15-2009, 09:05 PM
That would actually be 12 games. They still play the Twins twice as well.

My desires for things to happen:

1. Of course, sweeping all 6 games from the Tigers.
2. The Twins winning 4 of 6 against the Tigers.

The Twins and Tigers actually have 7 games, with 3 in Minnesota and 4 in Detroit the last week of the season.

It would have been really nice if the Blue Jays didn't blow yesterday's game. 4.5 out could have been a possibility after tonight.

guillensdisciple
09-15-2009, 09:09 PM
We should be weary of the Mariners. They are not a bad team, and the White Sox are not a good team. In order to make a dent in the division, the White Sox have to start playing baseball like they want to win the whole thing.

Zakath
09-15-2009, 09:22 PM
The Twins and Tigers actually have 7 games, with 3 in Minnesota and 4 in Detroit the last week of the season.

It would have been really nice if the Blue Jays didn't blow yesterday's game. 4.5 out could have been a possibility after tonight.

After the Tigers finish with KC, 13 of their last 16 are against us and Minnesota. Definitely where the rubber hits the road.

Sox - S15-17 @Sea, S18-20 KC, S21-23 Min, S25-27 Det, S28-30 @Cle, O2-4 Det

Det - S15-17 KC, S18-20 @Min, S22-24 @Cle, S25-27 @CWS, S28-O1 Min, O2-4 CWS

Min - S15-16 Cle, S18-20 Det, S21-23 @CWS, S25-27 @KC, S28-O1 @Det, O2-4 KC

Twins_Morneau
09-15-2009, 10:29 PM
Twins WIN.

4.5 Back.:gulp:

TommyJohn
09-15-2009, 10:45 PM
Twins WIN.

4.5 Back.:gulp:
Tigers better win this thing. YOU HEAR THAT, OBLONG?????? Your damn team better come through! If the ****ing whiny bitch ****ing Minnesota ****ing whiny bitches get within sniffing distance of the playoffs, I give up on baseball for good!!!!

Ok, maybe I'm kidding. But the ****ing whiny bitch Twins are a disgrace to baseball with their pissing and moaning over a coin toss. Can anybody see Jackie Robinson, Duke Snider and Don Newcombe and other members of the 1951 Dodgers blaming their choke on a coin toss? Anybody? I don't care who wins this damn division...just so as long as it is Detroit and not the ****ing whiny bitch "we choked the damn division away against sucky KC, but let's blame the loss on a coin toss because we can't deal with the fact that we flat out CHOKED" Twins.

oeo
09-15-2009, 11:00 PM
Tigers better win this thing. YOU HEAR THAT, OBLONG?????? Your damn team better come through! If the ****ing whiny bitch ****ing Minnesota ****ing whiny bitches get within sniffing distance of the playoffs, I give up on baseball for good!!!!

Ok, maybe I'm kidding. But the ****ing whiny bitch Twins are a disgrace to baseball with their pissing and moaning over a coin toss. Can anybody see Jackie Robinson, Duke Snider and Don Newcombe and other members of the 1951 Dodgers blaming their choke on a coin toss? Anybody? I don't care who wins this damn division...just so as long as it is Detroit and not the ****ing whiny bitch "we choked the damn division away against sucky KC, but let's blame the loss on a coin toss because we can't deal with the fact that we flat out CHOKED" Twins.

The Twins better sweep the Tigers this weekend while we sweep the Royals. Then we need to take care of the Twins and Tigers at home.

cards press box
09-15-2009, 11:51 PM
It would have been really nice if the Blue Jays didn't blow yesterday's game. 4.5 out could have been a possibility after tonight.

Yeah, that 9th inning of the Jays/Tigers game hurt. An Aubrey Huff game tying three-run homer? Ugh.

We should be weary of the Mariners. They are not a bad team, and the White Sox are not a good team. In order to make a dent in the division, the White Sox have to start playing baseball like they want to win the whole thing.

So far, so good tonight -- the Sox lead 6-3 going to the bottom of the 8th.

The ****ing whiny bitch Twins are a disgrace to baseball with their pissing and moaning over a coin toss. Can anybody see Jackie Robinson, Duke Snider and Don Newcombe and other members of the 1951 Dodgers blaming their choke on a coin toss? Anybody? I don't care who wins this damn division...just so as long as it is Detroit and not the ****ing whiny bitch "we choked the damn division away against sucky KC, but let's blame the loss on a coin toss because we can't deal with the fact that we flat out CHOKED" Twins.

It is difficult for me to imagine the Twins winning the division in the last two weeks without a healthy Justin Morneau. And, yes, too much was made about the coin toss last year. In truth, the Twins' argument boils down to this: because the Twins did not get to play in a domed stadium that is outrageously springy and turns some routine chops into singles and soft singles into doubles, they got screwed by playing in an outdoor, symmetrical stadium with an outstanding grass field on a beautiful fall night. Please.

1989
09-16-2009, 12:46 AM
The best part of the Tigers loss tonight, is that Magglio's 18 million dollar option vested based upon reaching his needed amount of plate appearances for the season.

oeo
09-16-2009, 12:48 AM
The best part of the Tigers loss tonight, is that Magglio's 18 million dollar option vested based upon reaching his needed amount of plate appearances for the season.

And the best part of that was SportsCenter's coverage. :lol: