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1908<2005
08-28-2009, 09:25 PM
:angry:
That sucked.

thomas35forever
08-28-2009, 09:25 PM
I had such high thoughts about you too.

hi im skot
08-28-2009, 09:25 PM
****. This. Team.

Craig Grebeck
08-28-2009, 09:25 PM
Good players vs. less good players = good players win.

soltrain21
08-28-2009, 09:26 PM
Why the **** not at this point? This season can stop at any time now.

Shoeless_Jeff
08-28-2009, 09:26 PM
I hate almost everything about this team right now. Pathetic.

WhiteSox1989
08-28-2009, 09:26 PM
You can't blame this all on Williams. That's stupid.

This game sucked.

The Immigrant
08-28-2009, 09:26 PM
I've never seen another team have two runners thrown out at home in the same inning. It has happened to us multiple times this season.

Patrick134
08-28-2009, 09:26 PM
Why the heck is Cano celebrating like it's the world series ? He hit a ball off an AAA pitcher who couldn't find home plate. Lame.

Soxman219
08-28-2009, 09:26 PM
Third place and they deserve it.

Patrick134
08-28-2009, 09:27 PM
I've never seen another team have two runners thrown out at home in the same inning. It has happened to us multiple times this season.


The Quentin one was immaterial, because they had the out at 1st base anyway.

soltrain21
08-28-2009, 09:27 PM
Why the heck is Cano celebrating like it's the world series ? He hit a ball off an AAA pitcher who couldn't find home plate. Lame.

He hates being in the rain.

captainclutch24
08-28-2009, 09:27 PM
1-4 on road trip so far. 6 more game to go. Team is terrible, atleast tomorrow we may get a day off as it is supposed to rain hard

hi im skot
08-28-2009, 09:27 PM
You can't blame this all on Williams. That's stupid.

Yep.

This team is awful all-around.

soxfandy
08-28-2009, 09:27 PM
Well, thats what happens when u walk people with 2 outs.

A. Cavatica
08-28-2009, 09:27 PM
Randy Williams is a grinder, and this is what happens to grinders.

JB98
08-28-2009, 09:27 PM
The last three White Sox losses have come from opponents scoring runs in their last at-bat. These close games are what separate the men from the boys.

The Sox are the boys in that particular equation. There are 33 games left. I expect the Sox to win roughly half of them.

The Immigrant
08-28-2009, 09:27 PM
There will be a cleansing of epic proportions at the end of this season. The level of activity from the 2004 offseason will pale in comparison.

PeoriaSoxFan
08-28-2009, 09:27 PM
Its not like we haven't seen this story before. Score hardly any runs and wait for one of our bullpen guys to give up a walk off HR/RBI. 13+ K's tonight by us I believe. They are in that strech, which they seem to go through anually now, where they are almost unwatchable (that is if you have a low tolerance for pain).

Maybe come Monday, we will only be 4 games out, but we really can't afford to slip much further down. Reminder to self - the Sox are a below .500 team...

It's Time
08-28-2009, 09:28 PM
Rolling slider to Cano=game over. Meh, not worth getting upset about as this season is just aout over now. When you're sitting 6 back in the loss column with 33 games left, you don't have much of a chance, especially with the schedule that is looming.

cws05champ
08-28-2009, 09:28 PM
It was a predictable ending...I thought it would happen with Linebrink, but it happened with williams instead. Was Bobby available tonight?

Patrick134
08-28-2009, 09:28 PM
Well, thats what happens when u walk people with 2 outs.


Walking 2 horrible hitters to get to a better one to boot.

Frater Perdurabo
08-28-2009, 09:28 PM
epic fail

kitekrazy
08-28-2009, 09:28 PM
You can't blame this all on Williams. That's stupid.

This game sucked.

I think you have to. Couldn't get the ball over to 3 hitters after 2 out.

hawkjt
08-28-2009, 09:28 PM
Wish Ozzie had pinchrun Lillibridge for Castro in the 7th. I know it is hindsight but with this team you have to roll the dice once in awhile when you have your one chance for a big inning.
That was our shot to win this game...and we missed it.

Hartman
08-28-2009, 09:28 PM
The last three White Sox losses have come from opponents scoring runs in their last at-bat. These close games are what separate the men from the boys.

The Sox are the boys in that particular equation. There are 33 games left. I expect the Sox to win roughly half of them.

That's quite optimistic at this point.

Dick Allen
08-28-2009, 09:29 PM
I don't know whether to laugh or cry with these ******** anymore. It's getting to the point where I just hope we beat the friggin cubs.

Frankfan4life
08-28-2009, 09:29 PM
Another day, another walk-off loss. They all seem to have the same pattern too. We come from behind to tie the game, just missing getting the lead by getting thrown out at the plate and then can't score anymore. This has gotten to be a very bad habit.

whitesoxfan
08-28-2009, 09:29 PM
How about 'nice job offense' as well? If you hold the Yanks to 2 runs through 9, you should win the damn game. Typical White Sox inconsistent **** as usual.

kitekrazy
08-28-2009, 09:29 PM
It was a predictable ending...I thought it would happen with Linebrink, but it happened with williams instead. Was Bobby available tonight?

I was thinking Pena would eventually blow it.

JB98
08-28-2009, 09:29 PM
That's quite optimistic at this point.

Why? The Sox have won half their games all year. That's what they do. The team will finish between 78 and 82 wins.

OmahaSoxFan
08-28-2009, 09:30 PM
This is what happens when a sub-.500\mediocre White Sox team plays the best team in the league. We couldn't take care of business against our "lesser" opponents, and now the big boys are putting us in our place.

And now about to be the third place team in the one-legged ass kicking contest that is the AL Central pennant race - your Chicago White Sox!

WhiteSox1989
08-28-2009, 09:30 PM
I think you have to. Couldn't get the ball over to 3 hitters after 2 out.
Or they could have scored more runs. Just a thought.

pczarapa
08-28-2009, 09:31 PM
I've never seen another team have two runners thrown out at home in the same inning. It has happened to us multiple times this season.

Agreed, third base coaching has been iffy at best

soltrain21
08-28-2009, 09:32 PM
Agreed, third base coaching has been iffy at best

I don't think you can include that as "two runners" being thrown out. TCQ was going on contact. That had NOTHING to do with Cox.

Patrick134
08-28-2009, 09:32 PM
If Quentin does a normal low slide on that play, he's safe.

thomas35forever
08-28-2009, 09:32 PM
How about 'nice job offense' as well? If you hold the Yanks to 2 runs through 9, you should win the damn game. Typical White Sox inconsistent **** as usual.
Make that a "nice job baserunners" as well. I don't know who was responsible for sending Castro home in the seventh, but whoever was should have a talking to.

tacosalbarojas
08-28-2009, 09:32 PM
Seriously, Williams has been as good as anyone out there not named Jenks or Thornton. Blame this one on the o...also on Cox trying to score Castro who is the heaviest catcher we've seen in these parts since Booter Hill.

soltrain21
08-28-2009, 09:33 PM
If Quentin does a normal low slide on that play, he's safe.

I'm going to have to say no on that.

hawkjt
08-28-2009, 09:33 PM
Williams has been good vs lefties, but lost his nerve after A-Rod just missed the homer.

It's Time
08-28-2009, 09:33 PM
To put it in perspective. If the Tigers or Twins go, say, 18-15 the rest of the way, the White Sox would need to go 21-12 just to tie.

Aint happening.

The Immigrant
08-28-2009, 09:34 PM
I don't think you can include that as "two runners" being thrown out. TCQ was going on contact. That had NOTHING to do with Cox.

My comment didn't put it on Cox. Quentin was thrown out because of this team's inability to get the runner from third home with less than two outs.

Sending Castro home, on the other hand, was entirely on Cox. It was stupid.

Patrick134
08-28-2009, 09:34 PM
I'm going to have to say no on that.

Watch it again and look how high the yankee catcher caught it, and TCQ's inept half slide.

soxyess
08-28-2009, 09:35 PM
There will be a cleansing of epic proportions at the end of this season. The level of activity from the 2004 offseason will pale in comparison.

I completely agree. The 3-4-5 hitters will be completely different. The softball hitters will be gone. There is no reason to continue with Dye-Pk-Thome when all they have done since 2005 is keep us mediocre.

tdwiek
08-28-2009, 09:36 PM
This should have never made it to the tenth. Mark gives us a great outing and the offense yet again fails to score more than a pair of runs. Does anyone know what our RLISP average is this year?

Brian26
08-28-2009, 09:36 PM
How about 'nice job offense' as well? If you hold the Yanks to 2 runs through 9, you should win the damn game. Typical White Sox inconsistent **** as usual.

Give me a ****ing break. They faced Sabbathia tonight.

thomas35forever
08-28-2009, 09:36 PM
The last three White Sox losses have come from opponents scoring runs in their last at-bat. These close games are what separate the men from the boys.

The Sox are the boys in that particular equation. There are 33 games left. I expect the Sox to win roughly half of them.
I'll take it further. All runs scored by their opponents in the last two losses have come via the homer. That shows the defense is improving, but the pitchers are starting to hang what they throw or miss their locations.

Dibbs
08-28-2009, 09:36 PM
Not much to say. When is the last time we threw out two runners at home in the same inning? We simply can not execute.

soltrain21
08-28-2009, 09:36 PM
Watch it again and look how high the yankee catcher caught it, and TCQ's inept half slide.

Inept? It was quite rainy out there. You want him going balls to the wall and hurting his ankle?

He was out unless TCQ turned into Mario and Molina turned into a Goomba.

Patrick134
08-28-2009, 09:38 PM
Inept? It was quite rainy out there. You want him going balls to the wall and hurting his ankle?

He was out unless TCQ turned into Mario and Molina turned into a Goomba.


True, maybe the half slide saved an injury while costing us a run, probably worth the trade off in the long run.

Tragg
08-28-2009, 09:38 PM
An organizational minor leaguer against hitters on a team 30 above .500: what does he think is likely to happen?

chisoxfanatic
08-28-2009, 09:39 PM
So, Ozzie decides to put a guy he pitches maybe once every two weeks in an extra-inning affair?!?! What the ****, Ozzie?! :angry:

It's Time
08-28-2009, 09:39 PM
And there is absolutely NO REASON to rush Jake back now. Let him heal 100% and he'll have the whole off-season to rehab. No reason to take a risk with him given where the team is.

soltrain21
08-28-2009, 09:39 PM
Oh, and <insert obligatory "go my other favorite team here.">!

kevingrt
08-28-2009, 09:39 PM
We simply can not execute.

Cannot get much simpler or truer then that.

Brian26
08-28-2009, 09:39 PM
If Quentin does a normal low slide on that play, he's safe.

I'm going to have to say no on that.

soltrain FTW.

Settle down. Quentin would have slid under the tag. I noticed the same thing as Pat did when it happened.

However, since the ball beat him by a step and a half, the ump probably would have called him out anyway.

thomas35forever
08-28-2009, 09:39 PM
Oh, and <insert obligatory "go my other favorite team here.">!
Too late. The Tiggers and Twinkies won already.

soltrain21
08-28-2009, 09:40 PM
So, Ozzie decides to put a guy he pitches maybe once every two weeks in an extra-inning affair?!?! What the ****, Ozzie?! :angry:

Who would you have liked to march out there?

soxyess
08-28-2009, 09:40 PM
And there is absolutely NO REASON to rush Jake back now. Let him heal 100% and he'll have the whole off-season to rehab. No reason to take a risk with him given where the team is.

Yes this team needs to look to 2010. I know KW is preparing for a completely different looking team next year built around pitching, defense, and sound situational hitting. No more softball team. Im excited about the 2010 team!!

WhiteSox5187
08-28-2009, 09:41 PM
When there are only two guys you can trust out of your bullpen and one them is your closer, you lose games like this. The bullpen needs to be overhauled. This is the third straight year we have seen a bullpen collapse in the second half.

soltrain21
08-28-2009, 09:41 PM
Yes this team needs to look to 2010. I know KW is preparing for a completely different looking team next year built around pitching, defense, and sound situational hitting. No more softball team.

Do you, by chance, hang around airports?

Brian26
08-28-2009, 09:41 PM
Make that a "nice job baserunners" as well. I don't know who was responsible for sending Castro home in the seventh, but whoever was should have a talking to.

That play happened with two outs and a full count. Castro should have been off with the pitch. I don't care if he's the slowest guy on the planet or how shallow Swisher supposedly was in RF. Castro should have at least made that play close. Someone was sleeping.

OmahaSoxFan
08-28-2009, 09:41 PM
And there is absolutely NO REASON to rush Jake back now. Let him heal 100% and he'll have the whole off-season to rehab. No reason to take a risk with him given where the team is.

Amen to that, save him for next year... even if Detoilet and Minnesota slump off these next few weeks, we don't appear to be looking to go on a tear anytime soon. Clean house a little in the off-season and bring back JP to get back into the playoffs next (not this, oops) year, things just look really bleak for this team right now. :whiner:

chisoxfanatic
08-28-2009, 09:41 PM
Who would you have liked to march out there?
Anyone else.

JB98
08-28-2009, 09:42 PM
Who would you have liked to march out there?

No kidding. They all suck. Whoever Ozzie puts out there goes to hell.

soxyess
08-28-2009, 09:42 PM
Do you, by chance, hang around airports?

I dont get it?

Patrick134
08-28-2009, 09:42 PM
When there are only two guys you can trust out of your bullpen and one them is your closer, you lose games like this. The bullpen needs to be overhauled. This is the third straight year we have seen a bullpen collapse in the second half.


League-wide, teams have a hard time finding middle relievers that have success long term. It's more a case of getting the right guy at the right time than finding a past all star.

soltrain21
08-28-2009, 09:43 PM
I dont get it?

It's a long story from a post a long time ago - but you seem pretty adamant about having inside info about this team.

tsoxman
08-28-2009, 09:44 PM
That play happened with two outs and a full count. Castro should have been off with the pitch. I don't care if he's the slowest guy on the planet or how shallow Swisher supposedly was in RF. Castro should have at least made that play close. Someone was sleeping.
Was Castro not running on the 3-2 count?

whitesoxfan
08-28-2009, 09:45 PM
Don't worry guys, all is saved as The Count is going to start after all tomorrow!

soxfanreggie
08-28-2009, 09:45 PM
Who would you have liked to march out there?

We could try what Boston did. Does Alexei or Nix have any pitching experience?

soxyess
08-28-2009, 09:45 PM
It's a long story from a post a long time ago - but you seem pretty adamant about having inside info about this team.

No, its just a strong hunch based on some things that KW has said. I dont have any inside info. I would like to know the airport story

WhiteSox5187
08-28-2009, 09:45 PM
League-wide, teams have a hard time finding middle relievers that have success long term. It's more a case of getting the right guy at the right time than finding a past all star.

All star?! Christ I'd settle for half way mediocre at this point! What is Wassermann doing by the way? Let's bring him up. He can't be any worse than the other guys we're trotting out there. And find Shingo too!

Patrick134
08-28-2009, 09:45 PM
Was Castro not running on the 3-2 count?

Running like a backup catcher probably.

Frater Perdurabo
08-28-2009, 09:45 PM
No kidding. They all suck. Whoever Ozzie puts out there goes to hell.

They all suck because they have been overused. It's not just the number of innings they have had to pitch (which is too many), but also the number of appearances each has had to make.

The starting staff overall has not pitched deeply enough into games, and Ozzie's spastic yet robotic bullpen management doesn't help, either.

SoxSpeed22
08-28-2009, 09:45 PM
With the way things are going, at least we will see a lot of playing time for the young guys in September. ****.

Dibbs
08-28-2009, 09:45 PM
Who would you have liked to march out there?

There are only one or two good relief pitchers in the pen, and they can't pitch every night. It doesn't matter who Ozzie brings in anymore, as it will be the wrong decision.

Frater Perdurabo
08-28-2009, 09:46 PM
League-wide, teams have a hard time finding middle relievers that have success long term. It's more a case of getting the right guy at the right time than finding a past all star.

The bullpen that is best is that which is used least.

Craig Grebeck
08-28-2009, 09:47 PM
They all suck because they have been overused. It's not just the number of innings they have had to pitch (which is too many), but also the number of appearances each has had to make.

The starting staff overall has not pitched deeply enough into games, and Ozzie's spastic yet robotic bullpen management doesn't help, either.
...which is why I wish Javy was still here!

Just saying. The guy pitched deep.

This team needs some tweaking.

hi im skot
08-28-2009, 09:48 PM
We could try what Boston did. Does Alexei or Nix have any pitching experience?

Ramirez is barely a serviceable shortstop. Maybe he should focus on that, first.

soxyess
08-28-2009, 09:48 PM
They all suck because they have been overused. It's not just the number of innings they have had to pitch (which is too many), but also the number of appearances each has had to make.

The starting staff overall has not pitched deeply enough into games, and Ozzie's spastic yet robotic bullpen management doesn't help, either.

Thats true. Along those same lines we have had games where our pitcher has 95 pitches in the 5th inning. Even though he has pitched a pretty good game the bullpen still has to be used. That catches up with you at the end of the season.

kevingrt
08-28-2009, 09:48 PM
There are only one or two good relief pitchers in the pen, and they can't pitch every night. It doesn't matter who Ozzie brings in anymore, as it will be the wrong decision.

Thornton and that's about it. Dotel just gives up inherited runners. Jenks is iffy. Williams is not good enough. Linebrink is Linebrink. We need to save DJ bad starters. Am I missing someone. Pena is decent. Bring on crap AAA players.

Patrick134
08-28-2009, 09:48 PM
...which is why I wish Javy was still here!

Just saying. The guy pitched deep.

This team needs some tweaking.


if by "deep" , you mean 5 shutout innings and then a horrible 6th, I agree.

thomas35forever
08-28-2009, 09:48 PM
...which is why I wish Javy was still here!

Just saying. The guy pitched deep.

This team needs some tweaking.
Ugh. I don't. That guy was a mental midget when we needed him. The last thing I want is him to come back.

kitekrazy
08-28-2009, 09:48 PM
Give me a ****ing break. They faced Sabbathia tonight.

Yep. He's invincible in August.

Patrick134
08-28-2009, 09:50 PM
Yep. He's invincible in August.

And at Old Country Buffet.

JB98
08-28-2009, 09:51 PM
They all suck because they have been overused. It's not just the number of innings they have had to pitch (which is too many), but also the number of appearances each has had to make.

The starting staff overall has not pitched deeply enough into games, and Ozzie's spastic yet robotic bullpen management doesn't help, either.

Interestingly, the two men who have been used the most have been the two best relievers -- Thornton and Carrasco.

I honestly don't think Linebrink, Dotel or Jenks have been overused. That is not an excuse for their poor performances.

hi im skot
08-28-2009, 09:51 PM
And at Old Country Buffet.

Because, you see, he's overweight.

Frater Perdurabo
08-28-2009, 09:51 PM
...which is why I wish Javy was still here!

Just saying. The guy pitched deep.

This team needs some tweaking.

Yeah, I too think the Sox would be in better shape with an innings-eater like Vazquez or even Garland at the back of the rotation.

GoGoCrede
08-28-2009, 09:51 PM
Just popped into chat and received the tough news. Kinda glad I only caught the inning where we tied it. Come to chat if you want to wallow! Or have a few laughs.

Sabathia was solid, as usual.

Tragg
08-28-2009, 09:51 PM
Yes this team needs to look to 2010. I know KW is preparing for a completely different looking team next year built around pitching, defense, and sound situational hitting. No more softball team. Im excited about the 2010 team!!
How does he plan on achieving that?

Last time they tried that, Guillen thought he had a great offense to start the year, and the Sox the ended up with the league's worst offense.

soxyess
08-28-2009, 09:52 PM
And at Old Country Buffet.

June, July, August

PhillipsBubba
08-28-2009, 09:52 PM
Golly-gee...lets get 'em tomorrow...

http://www.chs.helena.k12.mt.us/faculty/hhillz/web00/webper5/temple_menjou_lilmissmarker.jpg

soxyess
08-28-2009, 09:52 PM
How does he plan on achieving that?

Last time they tried that, Guillen thought he had a great offense to start the year, and the Sox the ended up with the league's worst offense.

I have faith in KW. He's one of the best GM's in the game.

GoGoCrede
08-28-2009, 09:55 PM
Because, you see, he's overweight.

Awww, you ruined the joke! It never gets old.

soxfanreggie
08-28-2009, 09:56 PM
Ramirez is barely a serviceable shortstop. Maybe he should focus on that, first.

And someone doesn't get the joke...

soxyess
08-28-2009, 09:57 PM
Tomorrow is doable. If the count can just not hang his balls right over the plate so the yanks dont jack them all over, the sox have a shot!

Frater Perdurabo
08-28-2009, 09:57 PM
Interestingly, the two men who have been used the most have been the two best relievers -- Thornton and Carrasco.

I honestly don't think Linebrink, Dotel or Jenks have been overused. That is not an excuse for their poor performances.

I'm not excusing their poor performances.

Thornton has developed into a closer-quality pitcher. Carrasco seems to be having a career year.

The other guys are middle relievers, and middle relievers are middle relievers for a reason - they aren't good enough to be starters or closers. Therefore, the less they are used, the better. Linebrink was better in San Diego because he got to face weak NL West lineups, with half his games in spacious Petco Park, and additional NL West games in LA and SF, in the sea-level dense yet West Coast dry air, which kills fly balls. In the AL, at the bandbox Cell, with its higher humidity and higher altitude, the flyball-inducing Linebrink has been exposed.

WhiteSox5187
08-28-2009, 10:00 PM
I'm not excusing their poor performances.

Thornton has developed into a closer-quality pitcher. Carrasco seems to be having a career year.

The other guys are middle relievers, and middle relievers are middle relievers for a reason - they aren't good enough to be starters or closers. Therefore, the less they are used, the better. Linebrink was better in San Diego because he got to face weak NL West lineups, with half his games in spacious Petco Park, and additional NL West games in LA and SF, in the sea-level dense yet West Coast dry air, which kills fly balls. In the AL, at the bandbox Cell, with its higher humidity and higher altitude, the flyball-inducing Linebrink has been exposed.

I think the fact is that Linebrink is just done. It doesn't have anything to do with the air, remember he had a one something ERA until he got hurt last year.

JB98
08-28-2009, 10:00 PM
I'm not excusing their poor performances.

Thornton has developed into a closer-quality pitcher. Carrasco seems to be having a career year.

The other guys are middle relievers, and middle relievers are middle relievers for a reason - they aren't good enough to be starters or closers. Therefore, the less they are used, the better. Linebrink was better in San Diego because he got to face weak NL West lineups, with half his games in spacious Petco Park, and additional NL West games in LA and SF, in the sea-level dense yet West Coast dry air, which kills fly balls. In the AL, at the bandbox Cell, with its higher humidity and higher altitude, the flyball-inducing Linebrink has been exposed.

I don't disagree with any of that. I'm just saying Thornton is the only late-inning guy who can claim overuse, yet he continues to be effective. Carrasco has cleaned up everybody's **** all year, and protected Linebrink and Dotel from overuse. Those guys just suck right now, and that's all there is to it.

tsoxman
08-28-2009, 10:02 PM
I'm not excusing their poor performances.

Thornton has developed into a closer-quality pitcher. Carrasco seems to be having a career year.

The other guys are middle relievers, and middle relievers are middle relievers for a reason - they aren't good enough to be starters or closers. .
Somewhat true, but many good relievers are young guys who are fledgling starters like Phil Hughes. Just to throw your hands up in the air and be resigned to the fact that middle and setup guys are not any good is foolish.

kitekrazy
08-28-2009, 10:05 PM
Tomorrow is doable. If the count can just not hang his balls right over the plate so the yanks dont jack them all over, the sox have a shot!

Contreras is starting tomorrow.

soxyess
08-28-2009, 10:06 PM
Contreras is starting tomorrow.

Yes

Frater Perdurabo
08-28-2009, 10:09 PM
Somewhat true, but many good relievers are young guys who are fledgling starters like Phil Hughes. Just to throw your hands up in the air and be resigned to the fact that middle and setup guys are not any good is foolish.

You're right. But the Yankees have the resources to buy a new free agent starting pitcher each year if they want, and therefore can afford to put their future star starter(s) in the pen. Imagine if the Sox had enough starting pitching that they could have put Floyd or Danks in the pen in 2007 and 2008.

Woofer
08-28-2009, 10:10 PM
Tomorrow is doable. If the count can just not hang his balls right over the plate so the yanks dont jack them all over, the sox have a shot!

This seems dirty somehow to me. Might just be the way I'm reading it though.:D:

Tragg
08-28-2009, 10:11 PM
Somewhat true, but many good relievers are young guys who are fledgling starters like Phil Hughes. Just to throw your hands up in the air and be resigned to the fact that middle and setup guys are not any good is foolish.
That's true. Using talented young pitchers in the pen is a good way to get a young pitcher experience, and to get a good arm in your pen.

I think he's talking about the career middle reliever.

And Williams, a careerr AAA middle reliever, and he is up here to be a situational middle reliever....and he's done okay. But that means 1 batter and get off the mound.

Quentin08
08-28-2009, 10:13 PM
Just looking at the schedule.. all we have to do is gain 1 game on Detroit and Minnesota in the next 2 weeks. The next 2 weeks are tough, but I think we can do that. We'd be 4 games back going into the series vs KC at the Cell. We'll gain 1 game in that series, and 1 game in the next series vs the Twins. 2 games back. Then Detroit comes to the Cell. We'll need to win 2 of 3, putting us 1 game back. Then we'll gain another game when we play Cleveland, putting us in a tie for first place.. going into the last series of the series.. at Detroit. We can do it!

Lip Man 1
08-28-2009, 10:14 PM
Baseball to me has always been about having momentum... there are some years when you just can't do anything wrong even if you try.

1990 comes to mind when the Sox would win games in the most incredible fashion...on a wild pitch, Fisk getting hit in the back on a breaking ball, Calderon laying down a perfect suicide squeeze bunt, even getting no hit and win.

Then there are years like this one, where it seems to become a self fulfilling prophecy, where you don't expect the breaks to go your way and they don't. If it can go wrong for the Sox this year it has been.

Fortunately it will be over soon.

Lip

SOXSINCE'70
08-28-2009, 10:16 PM
Anyone for a rousing chorus of "Here Come The Hawks" or
"Bear Down,Chicago Bears" ??:whistle:

It looks awfully dark from where i'm sitting.:raincloud:

It's Time
08-28-2009, 10:18 PM
Just looking at the schedule.. all we have to do is gain 1 game on Detroit and Minnesota in the next 2 weeks. The next 2 weeks are tough, but I think we can do that. We'd be 4 games back going into the series vs KC at the Cell. We'll gain 1 game in that series, and 1 game in the next series vs the Twins. 2 games back. Then Detroit comes to the Cell. We'll need to win 2 of 3, putting us 1 game back. Then we'll gain another game when we play Cleveland, putting us in a tie for first place.. going into the last series of the series.. at Detroit. We can do it!

:smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::kneeslap:

We still have 2 against the Yankess, 1 against the Cubs and 3 against the Twins THIS trip. The White Sox will be 7 back after this trip.

chisoxfanatic
08-28-2009, 10:20 PM
Anyone for a rousing chorus of "Here Come The Hawks" or
"Bear Down,Chicago Bears" ??:whistle:

It looks awfully dark from where i'm sitting.:raincloud:
I could do both, but, if I had to choose one, I'd choose "Here Come the Hawks." :smile:

hi im skot
08-28-2009, 10:22 PM
And someone doesn't get the joke...

Yeah, I got it. There's no joking about Ramirez's atrocious defense, though.

Frankfan4life
08-28-2009, 10:31 PM
That play happened with two outs and a full count. Castro should have been off with the pitch. I don't care if he's the slowest guy on the planet or how shallow Swisher supposedly was in RF. Castro should have at least made that play close. Someone was sleeping.I have to agree with you. The Sox base-running is a close second to their bad defense.

Frankfan4life
08-28-2009, 10:35 PM
Anyone for a rousing chorus of "Here Come The Hawks" or
"Bear Down,Chicago Bears" ??:whistle:

It looks awfully dark from where i'm sitting.:raincloud:How about "Don't Stop Believing?" As long as there's still a chance, I'm not ready to throw in the towel.

GoGoCrede
08-28-2009, 10:35 PM
I could do both, but, if I had to choose one, I'd choose "Here Come the Hawks." :smile:

No way, are you a Hawks fan?

hi im skot
08-28-2009, 10:36 PM
No way, are you a Hawks fan?

I'm not certain, but I think she owns several Hawks jerseys.

GoGoCrede
08-28-2009, 10:37 PM
I'm not certain, but I think she owns several Hawks jerseys.

Now you've done it....:tongue:

chisoxfanatic
08-28-2009, 10:39 PM
I'm not certain, but I think she owns several Hawks jerseys.
Oh, you're going to PAY for that!!! :redneck

soltrain21
08-28-2009, 10:42 PM
It's time for this Sox team to "kiss the baby." Thank you, Ocho Cinco.

ndgt10
08-28-2009, 10:43 PM
Please shut Peavy down for the rest of this season. No point in jeopardizing his career for such a pathetic team at times.

Corlose 15
08-28-2009, 10:44 PM
You know, I really should be thankful that the Sox are being so considerate in pissing away the season at the end of August instead of staying in the race despite their best efforts, then crapping the bed the last week of the season.

This way is much less of a punch to the gut.

Waysouthsider
08-28-2009, 10:46 PM
Guess we jumped the shark this trip......

What's with the insanely aggressive baserunning....Jeez...
:angry:

Noneck
08-28-2009, 10:49 PM
Please shut Peavy down for the rest of this season. No point in jeopardizing his career for such a pathetic team at times.


Walk ups will help pay his salary. Also it will be time for Frank Thomas day. Who knows maybe a Dustin Hermanson/ Cliff Polite day also. Whatever it takes to get some fans in the park.

kitekrazy
08-28-2009, 11:02 PM
Walk ups will help pay his salary. Also it will be time for Frank Thomas day. Who knows maybe a Dustin Hermanson/ Cliff Polite day also. Whatever it takes to get some fans in the park.

I think next season will be much more exciting. We won't see the likes of "Needs a Betta mitt" and Josh "can't" Fields making their contributions.

I thought this was a season of experimenting or feeble attempt to win a very weak division.

They have a good 4 man roation.

Lip Man 1
08-28-2009, 11:03 PM
To those who were wondering about Ramon Castro and if he had a good jump on a 3-2 pitch with the bases loaded and two outs in the 7th?

Mark Gonzales says that Ozzie "ripped" him in the post game for not getting a "bigger jump in that situation..."

Mark also says he was "shocked" that he was thrown out by what seemed like "20 feet" from Nick Swisher of all people.

That's the way the year has gone.

Kite:

They need five 'good' pitchers to win the division next season.

Lip

Noneck
08-28-2009, 11:10 PM
I think next season will be much more exciting. We won't see the likes of "Needs a Betta mitt" and Josh "can't" Fields making their contributions.

I thought this was a season of experimenting or feeble attempt to win a very weak division.

They have a good 4 man roation.

You do know my comments about walk ups were for this year not next?

I agree with Lip on the 5 starters. Imagine what shape the Sox will be in if they have some injuries to their starters like the cubs did this year.

Crestani
08-28-2009, 11:12 PM
To those who were wondering about Ramon Castro and if he had a good jump on a 3-2 pitch with the bases loaded and two outs in the 7th?

Mark Gonzales says that Ozzie "ripped" him in the post game for not getting a "bigger jump in that situation..."

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon8.gifWhere was Cox? Isn't he supposed to remind Castro of the situation?

kitekrazy
08-28-2009, 11:24 PM
To those who were wondering about Ramon Castro and if he had a good jump on a 3-2 pitch with the bases loaded and two outs in the 7th?

Mark Gonzales says that Ozzie "ripped" him in the post game for not getting a "bigger jump in that situation..."

Mark also says he was "shocked" that he was thrown out by what seemed like "20 feet" from Nick Swisher of all people.

That's the way the year has gone.

Kite:

They need five 'good' pitchers to win the division next season.

Lip

I'll settle for four and a 5th that doesn't waste bullpen resources or is close to drawing social security.

Cuck the Fubs
08-28-2009, 11:41 PM
Lip,

I'm pretty certain they can win the Central with only 4 good starters.

Hell they can win the whole damn thing with 4....Arizona did it with 2!

slavko
08-28-2009, 11:52 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon8.gifWhere was Cox? Isn't he supposed to remind Castro of the situation?

Fair question. Anybody got a replay?

kitekrazy
08-28-2009, 11:59 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon8.gifWhere was Cox? Isn't he supposed to remind Castro of the situation?

You would think that shouldn't be necessary in professional baseball.

Bill Melton made a good point about forgetting how shallow the outfield is down the lines in Yankee Stadium. He had no business going for home.

kitekrazy
08-29-2009, 12:07 AM
Lip,

I'm pretty certain they can win the Central with only 4 good starters.

Hell they can win the whole damn thing with 4....Arizona did it with 2!

Come to think of it there was this team in 2005 that had four good starters.

kitekrazy
08-29-2009, 12:21 AM
Imagine what shape the Sox will be in if they have some injuries to their starters like the cubs did this year.

We don't have to imagine, this happened. Injuries are not their excuse. They've played the same ball. Poor execution at the plate and the field is their demise along with immaturity. Their bullpen really sucks too.

doublem23
08-29-2009, 12:48 AM
So close.. Yet, so far.

Noneck
08-29-2009, 12:49 AM
We don't have to imagine, this happened.

Oh but we do. Imagine injuries to the Sox top 3 starters this year, like the cubs had. Our only interest now would be if the Sox would have a better record than the Nats. That's why the Sox have to get a 5 starter next year.

StillMissOzzie
08-29-2009, 01:10 AM
1-4 on road trip so far. 6 more game to go. Team is terrible, at least tomorrow we may get a day off as it is supposed to rain hard

At this point, having Grandpa Contreras getting his start rained out could be the best think to happen to this team on this road trip.

Just looking at the schedule.. all we have to do is gain 1 game on Detroit and Minnesota in the next 2 weeks. The next 2 weeks are tough, but I think we can do that. We'd be 4 games back going into the series vs KC at the Cell. We'll gain 1 game in that series, and 1 game in the next series vs the Twins. 2 games back. Then Detroit comes to the Cell. We'll need to win 2 of 3, putting us 1 game back. Then we'll gain another game when we play Cleveland, putting us in a tie for first place.. going into the last series of the series.. at Detroit. We can do it!

I like the cut of your jib...:D:
:smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::kneeslap:
We still have 2 against the Yankess, 1 against the Cubs and 3 against the Twins THIS trip. The White Sox will be 7 back after this trip.
...but then, reality set in. :(:

SMO
:gulp:

CHISOXFAN13
08-29-2009, 01:10 AM
Fair question. Anybody got a replay?

The count and situation is plastered all over the damn ballpark. Blaming Cox for him potentially not knowing the situation is pure silliness.

thomas35forever
08-29-2009, 01:17 AM
Please shut Peavy down for the rest of this season. No point in jeopardizing his career for such a pathetic team at times.
Ranger said during the postgame that if Peavy is 100 percent, you have to pitch him. He's not going to stay fresh by just sitting. If there's baseball to be played and he's healthy, he should be out there.

Craig Grebeck
08-29-2009, 01:19 AM
Ranger said during the postgame that if Peavy is 100 percent, you have to pitch him. He's not going to stay fresh by just sitting. If there's baseball to be played and he's healthy, he should be out there.
That's silly. He won't be ice cold the whole time. The point is, it's ludicrous to log innings and put stress on his body when he's been dinged up in his career and is signed to a mega-contract.

He'll still throw. He'll still workout. The games are meaningless from here out. It's over.

johnnyg83
08-29-2009, 01:41 AM
Agreed, third base coaching has been iffy at best

I've met Jeff Cox. Iffy is a compliment.

whitesoxfan
08-29-2009, 01:52 AM
Ranger said during the postgame that if Peavy is 100 percent, you have to pitch him. He's not going to stay fresh by just sitting. If there's baseball to be played and he's healthy, he should be out there.

Yeah, after all there's nothing like getting fresh for four months of inactivity.

No offense, but Rongey's missing the boat on this one. You don't risk the health of a guy that has an injury history that Peavy does for irrelevant games in September. That's stupidity. I thought Ranger was better than that.

JB98
08-29-2009, 02:22 AM
That's silly. He won't be ice cold the whole time. The point is, it's ludicrous to log innings and put stress on his body when he's been dinged up in his career and is signed to a mega-contract.

He'll still throw. He'll still workout. The games are meaningless from here out. It's over.

Nonsense. If you're within five games on Sept. 1, you still have a shot.

This talk of shutting Peavy down is born out of pure frustration. The Sox are five games out, not 10 games out.

Peavy should not return until he feels 100 percent. But if he's 100 percent, he should pitch.

oeo
08-29-2009, 03:13 AM
Well, I'm not quitting. Go get 'em tomorrow.

white sox bill
08-29-2009, 07:24 AM
We've been a .500 team pretty much all season. .500 is where we will end up. .500 teams don't make the playoffs.

ike from nj
08-29-2009, 07:52 AM
To those who were wondering about Ramon Castro and if he had a good jump on a 3-2 pitch with the bases loaded and two outs in the 7th?

Mark Gonzales says that Ozzie "ripped" him in the post game for not getting a "bigger jump in that situation..."

Mark also says he was "shocked" that he was thrown out by what seemed like "20 feet" from Nick Swisher of all people.

That's the way the year has gone.

Kite:

They need five 'good' pitchers to win the division next season.

Lip
how about ozzie pinch running for castro in that situation when he represents the lead run in the 7th inning? considering he later pitch hit pierzynski the excuse of wanting to give AJ the whole night off doesn't wash.

the sox get two guys thrown out at the plate in the 7th...the contact play sucks especially when the ball is hit right at the third baseman and quentin has to decide whether to hook slide or knock the catcher down. he always seems like he is thinking of knocking down the catcher but can't get himself to do it.

also notice girardi did not pull in his infield with either no outs or 1 out. against a pulled in infield alexi's weak line drive is a hit.

ndgt10
08-29-2009, 08:13 AM
how about ozzie pinch running for castro in that situation when he represents the lead run in the 7th inning? considering he later pitch hit pierzynski the excuse of wanting to give AJ the whole night off doesn't wash.

the sox get two guys thrown out at the plate in the 7th...the contact play sucks especially when the ball is hit right at the third baseman and quentin has to decide whether to hook slide or knock the catcher down. he always seems like he is thinking of knocking down the catcher but can't get himself to do it.

also notice girardi did not pull in his infield with either no outs or 1 out. against a pulled in infield alexi's weak line drive is a hit.
While Giradi is without question a better coach than Ozzie, I still don't buy into the hype that he is the best in the game.

white sox bill
08-29-2009, 08:17 AM
how about ozzie pinch running for castro in that situation when he represents the lead run in the 7th inning? considering he later pitch hit pierzynski the excuse of wanting to give AJ the whole night off doesn't wash.

the sox get two guys thrown out at the plate in the 7th...the contact play sucks especially when the ball is hit right at the third baseman and quentin has to decide whether to hook slide or knock the catcher down. he always seems like he is thinking of knocking down the catcher but can't get himself to do it.

also notice girardi did not pull in his infield with either no outs or 1 out. against a pulled in infield alexi's weak line drive is a hit.
We must lead the league in being thrown out at home trying to score. Testament to either our lack of speed, older players slowing down, Cox's bad judgement or the outfielders having stronger arms these days. I remember the day when it was almost automatic on a base hit to the outfield. Now its about 75%.

ike from nj
08-29-2009, 08:51 AM
We must lead the league in being thrown out at home trying to score. Testament to either our lack of speed, older players slowing down, Cox's bad judgement or the outfielders having stronger arms these days. I remember the day when it was almost automatic on a base hit to the outfield. Now its about 75%.
opponents arms being stronger. obviously not the sox

southside rocks
08-29-2009, 08:55 AM
We've been a .500 team pretty much all season. .500 is where we will end up. .500 teams don't make the playoffs.

Really, that's the truth of the matter, I think. For a rebuilding year, .500 is respectable. For a division/pennant run, it's not.

People who mistake this rebuilding team for a division/pennant contending team will be very frustrated -- to say the least.

Carl Skanberg can still make me laugh, check out The Bullpen's Baggage:
http://smellslikemascot.blogspot.com/

guillensdisciple
08-29-2009, 11:08 AM
What are you gonna do right?

At this point I am watching White Sox baseball because of loyalty, and not because of hope that we will win the division or make it into the playoffs.

Don't worry guys, next year will come faster then you think and the White Sox will be a team to be reckoned with.

One thing we can't forget though, is that this season has not been completed. You never know where things will go, and you never know what can happen so I will keep on dreaming until the last game.

fram40
08-29-2009, 11:36 AM
Yeah, after all there's nothing like getting fresh for four months of inactivity.

No offense, but Rongey's missing the boat on this one. You don't risk the health of a guy that has an injury history that Peavy does for irrelevant games in September. That's stupidity. I thought Ranger was better than that.

What's the difference if Peavy pitches in Charlotte for 5 innings or in Yankee Stadium for 5 innings? At this point, if he is well enough for a rehab start (which he is - going today/tomorrow) why not throw him out against the Yankees backed up by Carrasco? I'd rather see that than Contreras.

Or maybe Hudson for five innings - give him some exposure at the ML level. As far as the roster move - which Ozzie alluded to - DFA Contreras. Just let him go. Thanks for the memories - but here's the door.

Otherwise - I agree with Lip's post. This ain't their year. It does not matter who was brought in for the tenth - the Sox were destined to lose this game. Pena, Williams, Dotel, Jenks, Thornton, Linebrink - they have all surrendered the unfortunate home run to lose the game - each multiple times this year.

What is disturbing is the the bullpen was supposed to be a strength this season - yet it continually loses games. Whether the score is 1 all, 2 all, or tied at ten runs, the bullpen needs to outpitch the other team's bullpen. And they have not. This bullpen needs to be retooled

Lip Man 1
08-29-2009, 11:40 AM
Kite:

We had five 'good' starters in 2005 or are you forgetting Hernandez's nine wins out of that slot in that season?

Not saying the 5th starter has to be great, an All Star...but they need to be competent, can give the Sox 150 innings and actually give them a chance to win games...something Contreras, Colon, Richard and Garcia have not done even half the time as evidenced by their record of 11-23.

Lip