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DirtySox
08-25-2009, 03:48 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=t_ros&cid=490

Cassell, Lowe, Mabee, Rasner, Viciedo, Retherford, Danks

The Immigrant
08-25-2009, 04:13 PM
I can't recall the last time we had this many guys in the AFL.

DirtySox
08-25-2009, 04:16 PM
Viciedo, Retherford, and Danks are the only real noteworthy names.

KyWhiSoxFan
08-25-2009, 04:55 PM
Viciedo, Retherford, and Danks are the only real noteworthy names.

I've been touting Mabee for quite some time and have been watching him closely. I think he has a lot of potential. The Sox obviously think highly of him as well.

He came out of Morehead State, the same place as Jon Rauch, and he has done very well at every level and advanced quickly. He was drafted in 2008 in the 19th round. He has a good fastball and sinker and has the potential to make it to the Sox as a reliever. I saw him pitch when Kanny came to Lexington.

I also would not give up on Rasner too fast. He is young (22) and still a bit raw. He came along as part of the Danks and Masset deal and the Sox were higher on him than Masset, as I recall. He has been starting most of the time, but I think his future is as a reliever.

Hitmen77
08-30-2009, 07:41 PM
Does anyone know if Viciedo will be ready to compete for a spot on the 2010 major league roster?

What about any other minor leaguers? Is there anyone to keep an eye on next spring as possibly making the Sox roster in 2010?

DirtySox
08-30-2009, 08:35 PM
Does anyone know if Viciedo will be ready to compete for a spot on the 2010 major league roster?

What about any other minor leaguers? Is there anyone to keep an eye on next spring as possibly making the Sox roster in 2010?

Hudson and Flowers are the closest, and they probably would be a callup at some point as opposed to breaking camp with the team. I think 2011 is the earliest one could expect to see Dayan.

KenBerryGrab
10-22-2009, 04:05 PM
Danks got a single today off St. Stephen Strasburg in the first, and Retherford homered off him in the same inning.

DumpJerry
10-22-2009, 06:01 PM
Danks got a single today off St. Stephen Strasburg in the first, and Retherford homered off him in the same inning.
AFL =/= that easy college conference St. Stephen played in. (half teal)

russ99
10-22-2009, 06:50 PM
Hudson and Flowers are the closest, and they probably would be a callup at some point as opposed to breaking camp with the team. I think 2011 is the earliest one could expect to see Dayan.

I'd think Dayan will get a good long look upcoming in Spring Training, since we're on the hook for $5M for him. Obviously he needs more AAA time to learn a position and increase overall baseball skills, but his bat might be advanced enough to earn a roster spot, especially with a good showing in the AFL.

But we'll see who else Kenny adds and brings back to the MLB roster before making that assumption. He could potentially be a part-time DH for us in 2010, but he'd have to show something to get that far in less time.

oeo
10-23-2009, 03:31 PM
I'd think Dayan will get a good long look upcoming in Spring Training, since we're on the hook for $5M for him. Obviously he needs more AAA time to learn a position and increase overall baseball skills, but his bat might be advanced enough to earn a roster spot, especially with a good showing in the AFL.

But we'll see who else Kenny adds and brings back to the MLB roster before making that assumption. He could potentially be a part-time DH for us in 2010, but he'd have to show something to get that far in less time.

Viciedo will earn $1.25 million next year...

GAsoxfan
10-24-2009, 09:42 PM
Danks is tearing up the AFL. .424 BA, .513 OBP, 1.210 OPS, and only 3 K through 9 games.

http://www.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=490

doublem23
10-26-2009, 01:33 AM
Danks is tearing up the AFL. .424 BA, .513 OBP, 1.210 OPS, and only 3 K through 9 games.

http://www.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=490

That is good to see!

Maybe he'll be able to use the AFL to springboard him into everyday service in the Majors. I don't think he'll be ready to go in 2010, but I also didn't think Bacon would be ready in 2009.

voodoochile
10-26-2009, 10:24 AM
How come Viciedo isn't playing?

khan
10-26-2009, 11:31 AM
I'd like to see more of a body of work than 9 AFL games for Danks before we anoint him as the next coming.

OTOH, after seeing the BEARS crap their pants yesterday, any good news out of the AFL is welcome...

DirtySox
10-26-2009, 01:11 PM
How come Viciedo isn't playing?

Because he is injured and has been pulled from the AFL.

http://twitter.com/Jason_Grey/status/5175343073

voodoochile
10-26-2009, 01:20 PM
Because he is injured and has been pulled from the AFL.

http://twitter.com/Jason_Grey/status/5175343073

Thanks...

Lorenzo Barcelo
10-26-2009, 08:24 PM
Thanks...

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/2810

Elbow Problems.

DirtySox
10-26-2009, 09:28 PM
Glad to see Morel replacing him. I'm on his bandwagon.

sox1970
10-26-2009, 10:46 PM
Glad to see Morel replacing him. I'm on his bandwagon.

Me too. He's probably going to be some good trade bait someday.

Craig Grebeck
10-27-2009, 05:55 AM
Me too. He's probably going to be some good trade bait someday.
If Morel's glove is as good as advertised and he makes some strides with the bat, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them make room for him somehow.

khan
10-27-2009, 01:44 PM
If Morel's glove is as good as advertised and he makes some strides with the bat, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them make room for him somehow.

If memory serves, isn't this the issue with Morel? I don't recall him hitting >.300, and even in low A ball, though I could be mistaken.

oeo
10-27-2009, 10:40 PM
If memory serves, isn't this the issue with Morel? I don't recall him hitting >.300, and even in low A ball, though I could be mistaken.

He hit .297 in 172 A-ball AB's. He hasn't shown much power, however.

Buddy Bell loves his glove. That was the first thing that came out of his mouth after he was drafted.

KyWhiSoxFan
10-28-2009, 12:05 AM
He hit .297 in 172 A-ball AB's. He hasn't shown much power, however.

Buddy Bell loves his glove. That was the first thing that came out of his mouth after he was drafted.

At high-A Winston-Salem this year, Morel led the team in RBIs with 79 and hit 16 HRs, which tied him for the team lead, while batting .281. He also led the team in both doubles (33) and stolen bases (25). And only made 11 errors all year.

I would say he is progressing just fine and as well as can be expected. He needs to make the jump to Birmingham next year.

EMachine10
10-28-2009, 07:59 AM
Morel went 1-4 with a SB in his AFL debut. Danks continues to hit.

khan
10-28-2009, 11:59 AM
He hit .297 in 172 A-ball AB's. He hasn't shown much power, however.
Thanks for this. How is his strike zone recognition progressing? [As I'm @ the office, I can't check this right now, but] What are his OBP numbers looking like hereto fore?


Buddy Bell loves his glove. That was the first thing that came out of his mouth after he was drafted.
That's what I recall about Morel, too.

But, IF he's not a slugger at a slugger's position, if/when he makes it to Chicago, the lineup would need more production at another position. [i.e. Catcher, 2B, etc..]

Now, if Beckham [eventually] moves to a middle infield position, Morel @ 3B may make more sense for the lineup. [Yes, we already know that the immediate future for Beckham is @ 3B, but you never know in a few years.]

khan
10-28-2009, 12:01 PM
At high-A Winston-Salem this year, Morel led the team in RBIs with 79 and hit 16 HRs, which tied him for the team lead, while batting .281. He also led the team in both doubles (33) and stolen bases (25). And only made 11 errors all year.

I would say he is progressing just fine and as well as can be expected. He needs to make the jump to Birmingham next year.
OK, but won't his .281 @ High-A translate into a ~.270 @ AA, ~.260 @ AAA, and ~.240 in MLB under Walker?

This doesn't make me as optimistic as oeo's post...

DirtySox
10-28-2009, 12:33 PM
OK, but won't his .281 @ High-A translate into a ~.270 @ AA, ~.260 @ AAA, and ~.240 in MLB under Walker?

This doesn't make me as optimistic as oeo's post...

So Morel has peaked? A player can improve on things believe it or not.

Not to say that Morel necessarily will, but to condemn a player as a .240 hitter in the bigs (if he even makes it there) because he hit .281 in High A is rather shortsighted.

Craig Grebeck
10-28-2009, 12:35 PM
Using A+ statistics to project major league performance isn't a good idea. Batting lines become more credible/projectible as players rise, and improvement is what's most important at the lower levels.

khan
10-28-2009, 01:36 PM
So Morel has peaked? A player can improve on things believe it or not.

Not to say that Morel necessarily will, but to condemn a player as a .240 hitter in the bigs (if he even makes it there) because he hit .281 in High A is rather shortsighted.
I'm speaking more to the reality that the degree of difficulty rises as a player moves through the minor leagues. Morel will face better breaking balls, fastballs with more movement, and opposing pitchers with higher baseball IQs in AA than he did in A or A+. I'm hopeful that his results will not suffer as a result. But hitting .281 in A+ isn't exactly legendary, is it?

Using A+ statistics to project major league performance isn't a good idea. Batting lines become more credible/projectible as players rise, and improvement is what's most important at the lower levels.
Agreed. But it certainly doesn't make one warm and fuzzy, does it? If memory serves, the previous 3B "prospect" Josh Fields didn't hit for a high average, and struck out a ton as he was sent through the then-craptacular SOX minor league system. When Fields arrived in Chicago, his batting average didn't exactly skyrocket.

I'm not suggesting that this will happen to Morel. I suppose I'm merely adverse to seeing Morel [a player who I believe in, BTW] become a low-average, under-powered player at his position in the Bigs.

Craig Grebeck
10-28-2009, 01:59 PM
I'm speaking more to the reality that the degree of difficulty rises as a player moves through the minor leagues. Morel will face better breaking balls, fastballs with more movement, and opposing pitchers with higher baseball IQs in AA than he did in A or A+. I'm hopeful that his results will not suffer as a result. But hitting .281 in A+ isn't exactly legendary, is it?


Agreed. But it certainly doesn't make one warm and fuzzy, does it? If memory serves, the previous 3B "prospect" Josh Fields didn't hit for a high average, and struck out a ton as he was sent through the then-craptacular SOX minor league system. When Fields arrived in Chicago, his batting average didn't exactly skyrocket.

I'm not suggesting that this will happen to Morel. I suppose I'm merely adverse to seeing Morel [a player who I believe in, BTW] become a low-average, under-powered player at his position in the Bigs.
We're all adverse to that. But if Morel hit for .250 - .260 and played great defense, I'd welcome him to this team with open arms. We need better infield defense -- who am I kidding? We need better defense all around the diamond.

khan
10-29-2009, 11:02 AM
We're all adverse to that. But if Morel hit for .250 - .260 and played great defense, I'd welcome him to this team with open arms. We need better infield defense -- who am I kidding? We need better defense all around the diamond.
I can agree to this.

For completeness, here is what Josh Fields did @ WS @ 21 years of age:

.285/.333/.445/.778, with 74 Ks, 18 BB, and 7 HR, and 0 SB in 256 AB back in '04.


Brent Morel @ WS @ 22 years of age:

.281/.335/.453/.788 with 66 Ks, 38 BB, 16 HR, and 25 SB in 481 AB this year.


Looking at the two, Fields definitely struck out at nearly twice the rate, but neither took walks at a great rate. Morel actually hit HR at a slightly greater rate than Fields did, if you can believe that. I'm actually encouraged when I compare the two. Here's hoping that Morel can continue to improve. I'd like to see his OPS surpass the .800 mark, though...

Craig Grebeck
10-29-2009, 01:58 PM
I can agree to this.

For completeness, here is what Josh Fields did @ WS @ 21 years of age:

.285/.333/.445/.778, with 74 Ks, 18 BB, and 7 HR, and 0 SB in 256 AB back in '04.


Brent Morel @ WS @ 22 years of age:

.281/.335/.453/.788 with 66 Ks, 38 BB, 16 HR, and 25 SB in 481 AB this year.


Looking at the two, Fields definitely struck out at nearly twice the rate, but neither took walks at a great rate. Morel actually hit HR at a slightly greater rate than Fields did, if you can believe that. I'm actually encouraged when I compare the two. Here's hoping that Morel can continue to improve. I'd like to see his OPS surpass the .800 mark, though...
I still wouldn't put too much stock in A+ stats. Morel has neither fallen on his face nor soared (statistically speaking -- and by this I mean those are the two poles that would make me consider A+ statistics as really meaningful).

KRS1
10-29-2009, 10:54 PM
One thing of note about Morel this year is how he started and how strong he finished. Through June he was at .261/.311/.437, and he closed out batting .310/.359/.472 in the last three months of the season (all of those months he batted over 300).

JermaineDye05
11-01-2009, 04:00 PM
I knew the AFL was a hitters league but holy ****:

Greg Desme (A's prospect) of the Desert Dogs:

.393 AVG 10 HR 23 RBI

in 15 games :o:.

DirtySox
11-01-2009, 04:05 PM
Yep. And the highest level he's played at is half a year of A+. Impressive showing.

Not to take away too much from him, but this year's pitching crop is especially bad. (Look at who we sent.)

Lorenzo Barcelo
11-01-2009, 10:16 PM
Yep. And the highest level he's played at is half a year of A+. Impressive showing.

Not to take away too much from him, but this year's pitching crop is especially bad. (Look at who we sent.)


It's almost like a marketing campaign for your offensive prospects, where you can sell high based on good showings in the AFL.

Hitmen77
11-03-2009, 11:15 AM
Article in today's Trib about Jordan Danks:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-091102-cubs-white-sox-afl,0,4709685.story

DirtySox
11-19-2009, 02:46 PM
I don't believe it has been mentioned, but the Javelinas clinched their division a while ago and will be playing in the title game on Saturday on MLB Network. Will be a nice chance to get a look at Brent Morel.

cws05champ
11-19-2009, 07:24 PM
I don't believe it has been mentioned, but the Javelinas clinched their division a while ago and will be playing in the title game on Saturday on MLB Network. Will be a nice chance to get a look at Brent Morel.

Who has been hot as all get out in the last week... he had a 4-6 game with a HR, followed by a 3-5 day with another HR(his first 2 of the AFL league).

JermaineDye05
11-20-2009, 03:21 PM
Couple of leaders in the AFL from the Sox.

Brent Morel AVG: .435

Danks RUNS: 31

I'm sure the Sox especially like the runs scored for Danks. If they are grooming him to be a future lead off guy, it's nice to see that he can get on base a lot (.458 OBP) despite his strikeouts.

Something I noticed with Danks: I was watching the AFL allstar game from 11/8 and all the balls that he hit were to the opposite field, he appears to have a very good stroke that way which is nice to see with our pull happy offense.

For the people that have seen Jordan live, was what I saw an anomaly or does he actually use all fields with the bat?

DirtySox
11-21-2009, 12:56 PM
A heads up. Game is on 1:35 Central Time on MLB Network.

Lineup:

Ackley 7, Danks 8, Mitchell 3, Morel 5, Lambo DH, Wells 9, Lucroy 2, Retherford 4, Iorg 6. SP: Varvaro.

JermaineDye05
11-21-2009, 03:12 PM
Morel lines the first pitch he sees into right-center field for a single.

DumpJerry
11-21-2009, 03:46 PM
Morel 2-2 now.

I turned on late. Who is the First Base Coach from the Sox org.?

EMachine10
11-21-2009, 03:47 PM
Morel 2-2 now.

I turned on late. Who is the First Base Coach from the Sox org.?
Ward

JermaineDye05
11-21-2009, 03:47 PM
Morel's got a nice little swing.

DirtySox
11-21-2009, 03:47 PM
Morel 2-2 now.

I turned on late. Who is the First Base Coach from the Sox org.?

Gary Ward

DumpJerry
11-21-2009, 03:52 PM
Gary Ward
This guy?
:fireward
(I don't recall ever seeing this tag used, I don't necessarily support its proposition)

DirtySox
11-21-2009, 03:58 PM
Grant Desme certainly has had an impressive showing this year.

JermaineDye05
11-21-2009, 04:01 PM
Grant Desme certainly has had an impressive showing this year.

What did he have, 12 HR's in the first 2 weeks?

DumpJerry
11-21-2009, 04:02 PM
I'm loving this great outing by the Tiger's kid.

DirtySox
11-21-2009, 04:06 PM
I really hope we get to see Kyle Bellamy pitch. He will probably be the first player from the 2009 draft we see in the Bigs.

DumpJerry
11-21-2009, 04:13 PM
Retherford scores on Danks' FC. Good hustle by Danks.

JermaineDye05
11-21-2009, 04:13 PM
CJ Retherford had a bad baserunning mistake between 2nd and 3rd, I can see why the White Sox like him.

JermaineDye05
11-21-2009, 04:14 PM
I really hope we get to see Kyle Bellamy pitch. He will probably be the first player from the 2009 draft we see in the Bigs.

Even before Strasburg?

DirtySox
11-21-2009, 04:15 PM
Even before Strasburg?

I mean from the White Sox '09 draft class. :cool:

JermaineDye05
11-21-2009, 04:16 PM
I mean from the White Sox '09 draft class. :cool:

Yeah, I figured that out after the post. My mistake :redface:

DirtySox
11-21-2009, 04:48 PM
Sergio Santos in.

Interesting in that he was converted to pitcher this season from SS. He fastball sits around 97, but he has control issues.

DirtySox
11-21-2009, 04:53 PM
The slider in on Jemile Weeks had nice movement as well.

roylestillman
11-21-2009, 04:57 PM
I'm loving this great outing by the Tiger's kid.

Not much to fear watching any of the Tigers' prospects in this game.

So I put up the Christmas lights and am now watching a ballgame on the backporch. Winter just became that much shorter.

DirtySox
11-21-2009, 04:58 PM
Not much to fear watching any of the Tigers' prospects in this game.

So I put up the Christmas lights and am now watching a ballgame on the backporch. Winter just became that much shorter.

I think Andy Oliver is going to be solid. I really liked him in college.

DumpJerry
11-21-2009, 05:20 PM
:hawk
He got a hold of all of it!

DirtySox
11-21-2009, 05:21 PM
CJ crushed that. Gotta pull for the undrafted free agent.

KRS1
11-21-2009, 05:23 PM
The slider in on Jemile Weeks had nice movement as well.

His stuff is definitely nasty. Good natural sink and tail on his FB, and his breaking pitch is filthy. Too bad he can't find the plate half the time, let alone spot his pitches.

JermaineDye05
11-21-2009, 05:27 PM
White Sox prospects contributing to 4 of the 5 runs for the Javelinas. Retherford with 3.

DumpJerry
11-21-2009, 05:30 PM
Love seeing all those Sox logos in the pile!!!!

DirtySox
11-21-2009, 05:34 PM
That was entertaining. Hopefully we see Jared Mitchell in the AFL next year.