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SoxSpeed22
08-15-2009, 01:09 AM
The bullpen and Alexei's homer bail us out after incredibly sloppy defense. Discuss.

Viva Medias B's
08-15-2009, 01:09 AM
It was not pretty, but we'll take it ─ especially in Oakland.

Sockinchisox
08-15-2009, 01:09 AM
A win is a win, I'll take it.

DirtySox
08-15-2009, 01:10 AM
Followed this game on gameday while working out and I got a rather large knot in my stomach with Jose's performance.

Would someone care to enlighten me about the defense's miscues?

GoGoCrede
08-15-2009, 01:10 AM
Curse, what curse?

gobears1987
08-15-2009, 01:10 AM
Alexei is the hero of the roadtrip.

DrCrawdad
08-15-2009, 01:10 AM
Nerves frayed. But Sox win. Good deal!

NDSox12
08-15-2009, 01:11 AM
A lot of negatives in this one, but I'll let others dwell on those...

Great job by the bullpen, especially D.J. and Dotel. Big win!

gobears1987
08-15-2009, 01:11 AM
I must add, yet another good day in chat. Who says we don't have a life on a Friday night?

manders_01
08-15-2009, 01:11 AM
Thank God that whole blowing a six run lead thing didn't come back to bite us in the ass! :tongue:

soxnut1018
08-15-2009, 01:11 AM
A win is a win! :bliss:
kM7C_yNlCLU

Jaffar
08-15-2009, 01:11 AM
Kenny the Keg get's the game ball. :gulp::bandance::gulp:

MisterB
08-15-2009, 01:11 AM
The only stat that counts: W

JB98
08-15-2009, 01:11 AM
I will take every win, but I do think a tough decision will have to be made with Contreras soon.

Two HUGE home runs on this trip now for Ramirez.

chisoxjtrain
08-15-2009, 01:11 AM
I must add, yet another good day in chat. Who says we don't have a life on a Friday night?

I said that in the group

Soxman219
08-15-2009, 01:12 AM
I'll take it.:smile:

manders_01
08-15-2009, 01:12 AM
I must add, yet another good day in chat. Who says we don't have a life on a Friday night?

Apparently, you guys are my life. And that's is fine by me! :thumbsup:

ElevenUp
08-15-2009, 01:12 AM
Not how you draw it up after leading 6-0, but a win is a win.

ode to veeck
08-15-2009, 01:12 AM
We're Sox fans, we don't believe in freakin curses!

**** Oakland

See you all at the game tomorrow

illini81887
08-15-2009, 01:12 AM
Should DJ Carrasco be our 5th starter

Irishsoxfan
08-15-2009, 01:12 AM
Gave up most of my nights sleep for that one, thank goodness they got it done. I smell a nice little run here over the next few games.

DirtySox
08-15-2009, 01:12 AM
I will take every win, but I do think a tough decision will have to be made with Contreras soon.

Two HUGE home runs on this trip now for Ramirez.

Indeed with Contreras. See Dan Hudson thread.

voodoochile
08-15-2009, 01:12 AM
Followed this game on gameday while working out and I got a rather large knot in my stomach with Jose's performance.

Would someone care to enlighten me about the defense's miscues?

Alexei crossed the bag to field a ball in front of Nix and then bobbled it away.

Then TCQ cut off Rios in LCF and distracted him so the ball popped out.

Then Nix bobbled a ball that they actually ruled a hit on.

All this happened in the same inning and led to 5 runs.

Whatever...

:soxwin:

:)

Shoeless
08-15-2009, 01:12 AM
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs182.snc1/6048_901242296070_1948342_51672449_468971_n.jpg
"I approve! Let's drink to victory!!"http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=87040&id=100000012404958&op=1&view=all&subj=123218356525&aid=-1&oid=123218356525

LoveYourSuit
08-15-2009, 01:13 AM
DJ Carrasco is my hero.

Man has he saved our pitching staff all year.


Kudos.

Huge win.

Whitesoxfan23
08-15-2009, 01:13 AM
Props to our offense tonight. Great performance. Peavy can't come back soon enough. I can't wait for Jose to be out of this rotation. I will take my chances with Torres or whoever, but Jose needs to be out of the rotation. I think he would be good in the bullpen though, most definitely.

Soxgirl22
08-15-2009, 01:14 AM
All I can say... thank goodness that was over in only 10. Off to bed!

Great win!!!

chisoxjtrain
08-15-2009, 01:14 AM
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs182.snc1/6048_901242296070_1948342_51672449_468971_n.jpg
"i approve! Let's drink to victory!!"http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=87040&id=100000012404958&op=1&view=all&subj=123218356525&aid=-1&oid=123218356525

kenny the keg!

Jaffar
08-15-2009, 01:14 AM
"I approve! Let's drink to victory!!"http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=87040&id=100000012404958&op=1&view=all&subj=123218356525&aid=-1&oid=123218356525

I love that Keg!

manders_01
08-15-2009, 01:14 AM
We're Sox fans, we don't believe in freakin curses!

**** Oakland

See you all at the game tomorrow

Wait, I missed it. What (supposed) curse?

LoveYourSuit
08-15-2009, 01:14 AM
Should DJ Carrasco be our 5th starter


No.

His value at what he does cannot be compared to by anyone on any other ML roster.

Frankfan4life
08-15-2009, 01:15 AM
We needed that one! Great job by the bullpen and TCM with more late-inning heroics.

I know this is a lot to ask, but how about two in a row?

fram40
08-15-2009, 01:16 AM
Alexei crossed the bag to field a ball in front of Nix and then bobbled it away.


would Nix have had a play? I don't think so

popilius
08-15-2009, 01:16 AM
Another very nice job by the bullpen, especially Carrasco! :gulp:

Gavin
08-15-2009, 01:17 AM
this west coast trip has seriously ****ed up my sleeping pattern

doublem23
08-15-2009, 01:18 AM
I know the defense was bad behind Contreras, but once again he just ran out of gas after 3-4 innings.

I love the guy as a man and am still inspired by his comeback this year, but he needs to go. He is not helping this team right now.

Chez
08-15-2009, 01:18 AM
On paper, the pitching matchups favor us both Saturday and Sunday. With K.C. and the Orioles coming to town next week, let's get on a roll starting this weekend

Zakath
08-15-2009, 01:19 AM
A game that the defense and Jose tried to give away.

The bullpen comes through again - 5 2/3, 3 H, 1 BB, 6 K, 1 inherited runner allowed to score.

ChiSoxGirl
08-15-2009, 01:19 AM
Kenny the Keg get's the game ball. :gulp::bandance::gulp:

OK, what'd I miss here? Who's Kenny the Keg, when was he "born," and how/why?

1989
08-15-2009, 01:19 AM
Great win. This team could have lied down after blowing a 6 run lead, but they came back. That shows some balls. Let's destroy Gio tomorrow.

Zakath
08-15-2009, 01:20 AM
this west coast trip has seriously ****ed up my sleeping pattern

Good news. No more 9:00 starts until September 11 in Anaheim.

Nellie_Fox
08-15-2009, 01:20 AM
I will take every win, but I do think a tough decision will have to be made with Contreras soon. The defense behind him was abysmal.

Then TCQ cut off Rios in LCF and distracted him so the ball popped out.When Podsednik did this exact thing earlier this year, I was assured by Dankerific that a real center fielder would never drop that ball.

Then Nix bobbled a ball that they actually ruled a hit on.

All this happened in the same inning and led to 5 runs.

As I said before, the defense behind Contreras was so bad that it's unfair to judge his performance tonight.

FielderJones
08-15-2009, 01:22 AM
Wait, I missed it. What (supposed) curse?

This was the type of game that the Sox used to lose in the first half of this decade. Just weird stuff that would always go against them. But it doesn't happen any more.

DumpJerry
08-15-2009, 01:22 AM
When Podsednik did this exact thing earlier this year, I was assured by Dankerific that a real center fielder would never drop that ball.
He always felt that Wise would handle those with ease.

voodoochile
08-15-2009, 01:22 AM
would Nix have had a play? I don't think so

It would have been tough because he would have been at best throwing across his body and there are obviously no guarantees, but Nix was in the picture when Alexei bobbled it and let it drop. Odd to see the SS there so that's why I noted it. They gave Alexei an error in either case...

GoGoCrede
08-15-2009, 01:23 AM
Joe Cowley (I know, I know) seems to think we may have seen the last of Contreras in the rotation. Thoughts?

FielderJones
08-15-2009, 01:24 AM
As I said before, the defense behind Contreras was so bad that it's unfair to judge his performance tonight.

Hitting a batter on an 0-2 count didn't help his cause much. In fact, wasting a pitch rarely helps Jose out. He needs to use the old Orioles philosophy of throwing strikes on 0-2. The few base hits given up in those circumstances are worth it when you punch out most batters.

DirtySox
08-15-2009, 01:25 AM
Joe Cowley (I know, I know) seems to think we may have seen the last of Contreras in the rotation. Thoughts?

The Tribune piece (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-15-white-sox-daniel-hudson-aug15,0,2583716.story) I linked in the Hudson thread seemg to think the same. Curious to what Ozzie will say about Count's performance.

voodoochile
08-15-2009, 01:26 AM
The defense behind him was abysmal.

When Podsednik did this exact thing earlier this year, I was assured by Dankerific that a real center fielder would never drop that ball.

As I said before, the defense behind Contreras was so bad that it's unfair to judge his performance tonight.


Yeah, normally I still put the blame on the pitcher if they yield a bunch of unearned runs (though tonight they only gave Jose 1 UER) but that was an ugly ugly inning.

Zakath
08-15-2009, 01:26 AM
Joe Cowley (I know, I know) seems to think we may have seen the last of Contreras in the rotation. Thoughts?

And this would be how many times that we've seen the last of him in the rotation?

Steve Howe got fewer chances.

Rohan
08-15-2009, 01:27 AM
Joe Cowley (I know, I know) seems to think we may have seen the last of Contreras in the rotation. Thoughts?

I really doubt it. He had no walks tonight. If the defense does what they're supposed to do, and what they did for Mark on Wednesday, this game would be very different. Jose will hold is spot for another game.

BadBobbyJenks
08-15-2009, 01:27 AM
With how huge he has been in the 2nd half for us, I think it is time he got his own drunken MS Paint job.

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/Pat2b27/DJ.jpg?t=1250313968

PushinWeight
08-15-2009, 01:27 AM
Unless Garcia, Colon, or some AAA pitcher can step it up, Contreras is your White Sox 5th starter. Given the awful defense today I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I would put him on the mound the next after the next four starters have thrown.

Nellie_Fox
08-15-2009, 01:28 AM
With how huge he has been in the 2nd half for us, I think it is time he got his own drunken MS Paint job.

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/Pat2b27/DJ.jpg?t=1250313968That's so badly done that I can't even tell who it's supposed to be.

gobears1987
08-15-2009, 01:29 AM
Joe Cowley (I know, I know) seems to think we may have seen the last of Contreras in the rotation. Thoughts?
It's Joe Cowley, so I wouldn't put much faith in it. The only way Jose is gone is if Freddy gives us a strong performance on the 18th.

KnightSox
08-15-2009, 01:29 AM
The defense continues to suck, but its a win.

GoGoCrede
08-15-2009, 01:30 AM
That's so badly done that I can't even tell who it's supposed to be.

If you glance at it really quickly like I did, it looks like Boone Logan. :redneck

BadBobbyJenks
08-15-2009, 01:32 AM
That's so badly done that I can't even tell who it's supposed to be.

Now it is supposed to be bad, but I thought it was clear.

Goodman6
08-15-2009, 01:32 AM
Alexei crossed the bag to field a ball in front of Nix and then bobbled it away.

Then TCQ cut off Rios in LCF and distracted him so the ball popped out.

Then Nix bobbled a ball that they actually ruled a hit on.

All this happened in the same inning and led to 5 runs.

Whatever...

:soxwin:

:)

Actually, Alexei's error occured an inning earlier and Jose pitched over that one.

Shoeless
08-15-2009, 01:33 AM
OK, what'd I miss here? Who's Kenny the Keg, when was he "born," and how/why?

Kenny the Keg is one hell of a GM

voodoochile
08-15-2009, 01:34 AM
Actually, Alexei's error occured an inning earlier and Jose pitched over that one.

Okay, my memory is officially kaput, time for bed...

ode to veeck
08-15-2009, 01:38 AM
Joe Cowley (I know, I know) seems to think we may have seen the last of Contreras in the rotation. Thoughts?

the words thoughts and joe cowley have no place in the same sentence

Jaffar
08-15-2009, 01:38 AM
OK, what'd I miss here? Who's Kenny the Keg, when was he "born," and how/why?

While in the chat, Gobears1987 created a facebook group for WSI chatters. After a short debate Kenny the Keg came out ahead of Chris Hansen as the group mascot. "Tap it" may be his tagline but time will tell on that one. There was clearly some :gulp: going on amongst the chatters.

GoGoCrede
08-15-2009, 01:39 AM
the words thoughts and joe cowley have no place in the same sentence

But they're not in the same sentence....:D:

Lip Man 1
08-15-2009, 01:39 AM
This was a game that should have been a laugher, something to take the tension off and ease the pressure.

Instead it turned into an extra inning death march that put even more burden on a bullpen that pitched six innings Wednesday night.

It was totally unnecessary.

This defense both physically and mentally is atrocious and I defy ANYBODY to show anything positive that would lead you to believe that Jose Contreras isn't finished. (My personal opinion and I've stated this before was that he was done starting in the second half of 2006)

Tonight was total lunacy.

Maybe Kenny can claim a pitcher through waivers, maybe Freddy Garcia rides in on a white horse...at this point I'd be willing to take a gamble on some of the Sox "can't miss" prospects (gasp) but I do not ever want to see Contreras in a White Sox uniform again until they have a 10th anniversary reunion for the 2005 World Series champions.

Lip

ChiSoxGirl
08-15-2009, 01:41 AM
While in the chat, Gobears1987 created a facebook group for WSI chatters. After a short debate Kenny the Keg came out ahead of Chris Hansen as the group mascot. "Tap it" may be his tagline but time will tell on that one. There was clearly some :gulp: going on amongst the chatters.

Thanks for clearing that up. It's amazing what you miss when you're on a cruise ship in the Caribbean! I used to like the game chat; I should head in there again some time.

Gavin
08-15-2009, 01:42 AM
This was a game that should have been a laugher, something to take the tension off and ease the pressure.

Instead it turned into an extra inning death march that put even more burden on a bullpen that pitched six innings Wednesday night.

It was totally unnecessary.

This defense both physically and mentally is atrocious and I defy ANYBODY to show anything positive that would lead you to believe that Jose Contreras isn't finished. (My personal opinion and I've stated this before was that he was done starting in the second half of 2006)

Tonight was total lunacy.

Maybe Kenny can claim a pitcher through waivers, maybe Freddy Garcia rides in on a white horse...at this point I'd be willing to take a gamble on some of the Sox "can't miss" prospects (gasp) but I do not ever want to see Contreras in a White Sox uniform again until they have a 10th anniversary reunion for the 2005 World Series champions.

Lip

I know this is an internet messageboard and that we all have individual opinions. But, with all things being equal, and that being said, I think it's clear your writing style says one thing...

You are a drama queen.

PS: What an offense to real death marches. You know, the ones were people quite literally marched to their deaths. pfft

BadBobbyJenks
08-15-2009, 01:42 AM
This was a game that should have been a laugher, something to take the tension off and ease the pressure.

Instead it turned into an extra inning death march that put even more burden on a bullpen that pitched six innings Wednesday night.

It was totally unnecessary.

This defense both physically and mentally is atrocious and I defy ANYBODY to show anything positive that would lead you to believe that Jose Contreras isn't finished. (My personal opinion and I've stated this before was that he was done starting in the second half of 2006)

Tonight was total lunacy.

Maybe Kenny can claim a pitcher through waivers, maybe Freddy Garcia rides in on a white horse...at this point I'd be willing to take a gamble on some of the Sox "can't miss" prospects (gasp) but I do not ever want to see Contreras in a White Sox uniform again until they have a 10th anniversary reunion for the 2005 World Series champions.

Lip

Did we win?

DirtySox
08-15-2009, 01:44 AM
I know this is an internet messageboard and that we all have individual opinions. But, with all things being equal, and that being said, I think it's clear your writing style says one thing...

You are a drama queen.

PS: What an offense to real death marches. You know, the ones were people quite literally marched to their deaths. pfft


Somtimes I wonder if Lip is the crotchety old man that lives across from my parents house who sits out on his porch all day long glaring at anyone the walks by.

SoxSpeed22
08-15-2009, 01:47 AM
While in the chat, Gobears1987 created a facebook group for WSI chatters. After a short debate Kenny the Keg came out ahead of Chris Hansen as the group mascot. "Tap it" may be his tagline but time will tell on that one. There was clearly some :gulp: going on amongst the chatters.And I just sent a request to join. See you guys there either tomorrow or Sunday.

Goodman6
08-15-2009, 01:48 AM
This was a game that should have been a laugher, something to take the tension off and ease the pressure.

Instead it turned into an extra inning death march that put even more burden on a bullpen that pitched six innings Wednesday night.

It was totally unnecessary.

This defense both physically and mentally is atrocious and I defy ANYBODY to show anything positive that would lead you to believe that Jose Contreras isn't finished. (My personal opinion and I've stated this before was that he was done starting in the second half of 2006)

Tonight was total lunacy.

Maybe Kenny can claim a pitcher through waivers, maybe Freddy Garcia rides in on a white horse...at this point I'd be willing to take a gamble on some of the Sox "can't miss" prospects (gasp) but I do not ever want to see Contreras in a White Sox uniform again until they have a 10th anniversary reunion for the 2005 World Series champions.

Lip

Lip: I don't post here very much but I wanted to tell you that I always enjoy reading your posts. You are the voice of reason amongst some of us emotional fans. After reading your post above, once again, I couldn't agree with you more.

Gavin
08-15-2009, 01:49 AM
Lip: I don't post here very much but I wanted to tell you that I always enjoy reading your posts. You are the voice of reason amongst some of us emotional fans. After reading your post above, once again, I couldn't agree with you more.

Yes, everytime I want a game summary written like a Reading Rainbow book report about a horror story I turn to Lip.

whitesoxfan
08-15-2009, 01:54 AM
Very glad the Missile gave us a boost late yet again. Great job, Alexei.

Hopefully we never ever have to see Jose Contreras start again. Please have DJ take his spot in the rotation for now.

Zisk77
08-15-2009, 01:55 AM
- Why didn't ozzie ask the ump's to review whether the Rios would-be Hr was fair or foul? id he forget it can be reviewed since the sox haven't had a questionable yet?

- Dotel was :shocked: tonight!

- Rios does cover a ton of ground in CF, maybe we should just have the corners guard the lines and stay out of his way.

- Great job once again by the pen.

Nellie_Fox
08-15-2009, 01:56 AM
Yes, everytime I want a game summary written like a Reading Rainbow book report about a horror story I turn to Lip.
One more personal remark and you're gone.

Goodman6
08-15-2009, 01:56 AM
Yes, everytime I want a game summary written like a Reading Rainbow book report about a horror story I turn to Lip.

That is pretty funny. You have a good sense of humor. I enjoy Lip's writing style so maybe I am a death march type of guy too in your opinion. That's OK, let's just enjoy the win tonight.

JB98
08-15-2009, 01:58 AM
Very glad the Missile gave us a boost late yet again. Great job, Alexei.

Hopefully we never ever have to see Jose Contreras start again. Please have DJ take his spot in the rotation for now.

DJ is just too valuable in saving the bullpen. I'm reluctant to put the bullpen MVP into the starting rotation.

Whitesoxfan23
08-15-2009, 01:58 AM
Yes, everytime I want a game summary written like a Reading Rainbow book report about a horror story I turn to Lip.


All Lip said was the truth. Lay off of him.

Lip Man 1
08-15-2009, 01:58 AM
Gavin:

My only comment is that the Bataan Death Marches took place in 1942, over 60 years ago and that no disrespect was meant to those who endured it.

That being said, "lighten up Francis..."

Bobby:

They may very well face the consequences of winning Friday on Saturday and Sunday for having to tax the bullpen again unnecessarily.

Yes the won but they paid a price for it, one that they shouldn't have had to pay and if they continue to play games like Friday they aren't going to win many more of them.

Chalk this one up as others have stated to the "60 games that you are going to win no matter what you do..."

Lip

cards press box
08-15-2009, 02:01 AM
Joe Cowley (I know, I know) seems to think we may have seen the last of Contreras in the rotation. Thoughts?

Sounds about right. Putting the defensive lapses aside, Contreras' start tonight was very similar to his last start against Cleveland. In both games, Contreras pitched O.K. for a few innings and then began giving up line shots all over the place. At this point, perhaps Contreras is best suited for long relief.

whitesoxfan
08-15-2009, 02:02 AM
DJ is just too valuable in saving the bullpen. I'm reluctant to put the bullpen MVP into the starting rotation.

It's tough but that's what I would do at least until Peavy comes back. Call up Freddy to take Contreras' place in the rotation and have Carrasco make the remaining spot starts until Peavy comes back. Then when that happens, you can move DJ back to the pen.

Jose has had plenty of chances and he's just been brutal in the second half this year. You can't continue to keep trotting him out there in the middle of a pennant race.

BadBobbyJenks
08-15-2009, 02:02 AM
One more personal remark and you're gone.

Homefish the only poster we can poke fun at?

StillMissOzzie
08-15-2009, 02:03 AM
Followed this game on gameday while working out and I got a rather large knot in my stomach with Jose's performance.

Would someone care to enlighten me about the defense's miscues?

I will take every win, but I do think a tough decision will have to be made with Contreras soon.

Two HUGE home runs on this trip now for Ramirez.

Gotta agree with Hawk on this one - Jose got NO help from the D this time out. Not that Jose was stellar out there, but the Sox gift-wrapped a bunch of runs this time. But, I'll take any kind of win in the Mausoleum, but they won't beat the better teams with defense like tonight's.

SMO
:mad:

whitesoxfan
08-15-2009, 02:04 AM
Sounds about right. Putting the defenses lapses aside, Contreras' start tonight was very similar to his last start against Cleveland. In both games, Contreras pitched O.K. for a few innings and then began giving up line shots all over the place. At this point, perhaps Contreras is best suited for long relief.

Wish that were correct. Here's Cowley's latest update on Twitter: cst_sox: (http://twitter.com/cst_sox)Oz said Contreras will likely stay in rotation because they have no real options.

Nellie_Fox
08-15-2009, 02:04 AM
Homefish the only poster we can poke fun at?There's a difference between poking fun and getting personal. Gavin took two unnecessary shots in different posts.

Besides, HomeFish brings it on himself. Lip is sometimes a little too gloomy, but he's not a caricature of himself.

BadBobbyJenks
08-15-2009, 02:05 AM
Bobby:

They may very well face the consequences of winning Friday on Saturday and Sunday for having to tax the bullpen again unnecessarily.

Yes the won but they paid a price for it, one that they shouldn't have had to pay and if they continue to play games like Friday they aren't going to win many more of them.

Chalk this one up as others have stated to the "60 games that you are going to win no matter what you do..."

Lip

Can we expect Jose to go more than 6 innings at this point? So if we dont need DJ the next two days then the bullpen is just as it would have been from a 6 inning start from Jose.

JB98
08-15-2009, 02:06 AM
It's tough but that's what I would do at least until Peavy comes back. Call up Freddy to take Contreras' place in the rotation and have Carrasco make the remaining spot starts until Peavy comes back. Then when that happens, you can move DJ back to the pen.

Jose has had plenty of chances and he's just been brutal in the second half this year. You can't continue to keep trotting him out there in the middle of a pennant race.

I think I would sooner bring up Hudson than put Carrasco in the rotation.

I can't argue with your remarks about Contreras. It's time to consider a change.

Goodman6
08-15-2009, 02:07 AM
All Lip said was the truth. Lay off of him.

I agree. I think Lip is the best and always speaks the truth. I didn't take Gavin's remark all that personal as I thought he was just trying to be funny. Perhaps I misread the intent. If it was intended to be an attack against Lip, then the comment wasn't funny at all.

cards press box
08-15-2009, 02:08 AM
Wish that were correct. Here's Cowley's latest update on Twitter: cst_sox: (http://twitter.com/cst_sox)Oz said Contreras will likely stay in rotation because they have no real options.

I wonder what happens when the Sox brass (including those at the Knights game tonight) discuss Daniel Hudson performance tonight. Do the Sox give Hudson a start in the K.C. series?

Lip Man 1
08-15-2009, 02:10 AM
Cards:

I know I've read in the past during his struggles that he simply can't pitch for an extended period of time out of the pen.

I don't know why that is but the Sox seem to say that moving him there isn't a possibility.

Lip

whitesoxfan
08-15-2009, 02:10 AM
I think I would sooner bring up Hudson than put Carrasco in the rotation.

I can't argue with your remarks about Contreras. It's time to consider a change.

That's interesting, but Freddy needs to get the opportunity before Hudson does.

Maybe bring both of them up and leave DJ in the bullpen as is? Whatever the case, I'm open to trying new ideas because Contreras just doesn't have it anymore.

gobears1987
08-15-2009, 02:12 AM
The defense was pretty bad that inning, but the Sox won and let's just go to bed happy with that knowledge. We stayed up late for this one, and I think we are all damn glad we did so.

GoGoCrede
08-15-2009, 02:15 AM
The defense was pretty bad that inning, but the Sox won and let's just go to bed happy with that knowledge. We stayed up late for this one, and I think we are all damn glad we did so.

I'm just glad I didn't have to stay up late again. I was getting seriously cranky the other night, and they ended up losing anyway.

Great win. Must have sucked to be an A's fan at that game. Oh well!

JermaineDye05
08-15-2009, 02:15 AM
Wow, that was scary. My recording of the sox game ended after the top of the 10th!!

:angry::whiner:

Thank god we won!! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

JB98
08-15-2009, 02:16 AM
That's interesting, but Freddy needs to get the opportunity before Hudson does.

Maybe bring both of them up and leave DJ in the bullpen as is? Whatever the case, I'm open to trying new ideas because Contreras just doesn't have it anymore.

Freddy is going to get his opportunity when they need a fifth starter on Tuesday. You can take that to the bank. The question now is what will happen on Wednesday. Contreras or Hudson?

I'm not sure Carrasco would be as effective as a starter. He likely wouldn't be able to pitch more than four innings. He's been so good in his role that I'd just prefer to leave him in that spot.

chisoxjtrain
08-15-2009, 02:17 AM
I'm not sure Carrasco would be as effective as a starter. He likely wouldn't be able to pitch more than four innings. He's been so good in his role that I'd just prefer to leave him in that spot.

Exactly. He has been the MVP out of the pen, no need to mess with that.

whitesoxfan
08-15-2009, 02:19 AM
Freddy is going to get his opportunity when they need a fifth starter on Tuesday. You can take that to the bank. The question now is what will happen on Wednesday. Contreras or Hudson?

I'm not sure Carrasco would be as effective as a starter. He likely wouldn't be able to pitch more than four innings. He's been so good in his role that I'd just prefer to leave him in that spot.

Yeah, he did struggle against the Yankees but he'd be going against the Royals this time around.

Maybe that would be an excellent opportunity for Hudson to make his first start. Like I said, I'm definitely open to that. I really don't think we'd be rushing him either because I'm in the mold that believes Double-A is probably just as competitive as Triple-A on the minor league scale.

Either way I don't really understand why Ozzie would say there's not really any other options anywhere else. Hudson and Carrasco are both far better alternatives than having Jose out there.

White_Sock
08-15-2009, 02:28 AM
Just got back from the game. A little white in the face, but I do not believe in the house of horrors. Just find it odd that the wierdes errors happen to the Sox at that stadium. Much needed win after a Detroit win.

Dragonforce Beckham looked great, Alexei was good on both sides of the ball.

Dotel! Jenks! A win in Oakland! :gulp:

hawkjt
08-15-2009, 02:30 AM
Jose was sailing along til the errors started occurring...if Alexei fields that easy chance clean in the 3rd Jose is thru 3 innings with 40 pitches. Then in the 4th, if they catch the easy ball in center, there is 2 out nobody on.
It changed the whole inning.
If they just pick the ball up behind Jose he gets thru six innings tonite on 85 pitches and 1 run and everybody is happy.

Jose deserves another chance to see if the defense will catch the ball behind him. His stuff was good tonite(94mph) and he was throwing strikes. If he throws strikes, he gets people out...period..and he was throwing strikes.
Ozzie and Kenny know what happened. Jose will get more chances.

Meanwhile, it was a huge relief to win this game after Seattle. Thanks Alexei for making up for you lapse in the field.

Tragg
08-15-2009, 03:06 AM
They've got to fix the defense. And even without the errors it isn't very good.

And sacrifice bunting the DH who hits atop the order with 2 on and no out in the mid innings of a 13 run game is just daft. The team has a chance for a big inning, and that's just giving it away with intentional outs. I know there's a chance to bunt for a hit - but less of a chance when the other team is expecting it.
Unfortunately, I suspect that the Oz will be doing more of that.

That's interesting, but Freddy needs to get the opportunity before Hudson does.


Why?

Carrasco has proven to be a fairly dependable middle reliever. Leave him there.

TDog
08-15-2009, 04:36 AM
Alexei crossed the bag to field a ball in front of Nix and then bobbled it away.

Then TCQ cut off Rios in LCF and distracted him so the ball popped out.

Then Nix bobbled a ball that they actually ruled a hit on.

All this happened in the same inning and led to 5 runs.

Whatever...

:soxwin:

:)

I thought the middle-of-the-infield misplay was in the third while the centerfield misplay was in the fourth, following Hairston's home run. But I wasn't keeping score at the game. I was freezing. I should have worn a heavier jacket. It reminded me of April in Chicago the way the regulars were dressed and the frequency with which the hot chocolate vendor came through my section.

But for the first time in my attendance at a night game in Oakland, the White Sox didn't lose in the bottom of the ninth. But don't talk to me about a curse. I'm on a personal three-game winning streak watching my Sox in the East Bay.

The two up-the-middle defensive lapses seem to have resulted from miscommunication, and indeed they involved teammates that haven't played together much. I continue to be very impressed with Ramirez.

Geren did a couple of things that I question. Burning a lefty relief specialist against Podsednik when they expected him to bunt before bringing in Ziegler might have cost the A's the game. Maybe he wanted to make sure Podsednik would bunt. But Ziegler is tough enough that I would think he would have the edge on Podsednik swinging away. Then I was impressed that Beckham didn't try to do too much with Ziegler and got the run home.

I also have no idea why Geren brought in Breslow to face Ramirez in the 10th. Granted, Ramirez hit what appeared to be some sort of a breaking ball facing an 0-2 count -- I really like the way he has developed as a hitter. Actually, he homered in the last 2008 A's game I attended as well.

It was a great game to see. As the Sox were scoring six, I knew it should be more because Contreras wouldn't be so successful his second time through the order. But really, I didn't expect the Sox to handle Anderson as well as they did early.

A couple of observations:

This is the first time I've seen Castro catch, and he had a great game.

The Coliseum has enough problems without the football striping. Apparently some of the outfield was torn up as well.

I really, really hate the wave.

SoxGirl4Life
08-15-2009, 05:09 AM
I fell asleep during the game. Apparently, I had a dream we had an even MORE horrific inning where the defense had 3 errors including one where Q dropped a fly ball three times and the Benny Hill music was playing in the background.

My dream had Farmer and DJ commentary, probably because I had left the radio on.

Glad we won.

SBSoxFan
08-15-2009, 06:46 AM
The defense behind him was abysmal.

When Podsednik did this exact thing earlier this year, I was assured by Dankerific that a real center fielder would never drop that ball.

As I said before, the defense behind Contreras was so bad that it's unfair to judge his performance tonight.

Agree here. Hard to believe all the Contreras angst with the way the defense played behind him.

Is it me or does Alexei move his arms too much on defense? The play he made the error, he was "swinging" his arms a lot and it seemed to help ruin the transfer from glove to hand.

Rios isn't off to a real good start either --- 2 more strikeouts in this game. On the error, I know TCQ cut in front of him, but Rios also took his eye off the ball.

Tough game for TCQ also --- 0 for 5 at the plate, gets an assist on Rios' error, and also bobbled a ball that let an extra run score in the fourth.

Maybe it's a good sign that they won a game like this in Oakland!

wassagstdu
08-15-2009, 07:38 AM
would Nix have had a play? I don't think so

It was Nix' play all the way and would have been an easy one.

Zisk77
08-15-2009, 07:40 AM
They've got to fix the defense. And even without the errors it isn't very good.

And sacrifice bunting the DH who hits atop the order with 2 on and no out in the mid innings of a 13 run game is just daft. The team has a chance for a big inning, and that's just giving it away with intentional outs. I know there's a chance to bunt for a hit - but less of a chance when the other team is expecting it.
Unfortunately, I suspect that the Oz will be doing more of that.


Why?

Carrasco has proven to be a fairly dependable middle reliever. Leave him there.


That DH happened to be Pods who was facing a side armed lefty. The bunt was absolutely the right move. There was a much greater chance that Pods would have K'd than us having a big inning there with Pods hitting. I hope Ozzie does more of it. I've seen enough guys stranded in scorining position without us even moving the runners over. Case in Point, Rios leadoff double and nothing...where was the big inning there?

SOXSINCE'70
08-15-2009, 07:41 AM
He has been the MVP out of the pen, no need to mess with that.

Agreed. Carrasco's rubber arm has saved this team over the last 2 seasons. Another good "under the radar" pickup by KW.:cool:

Whitesoxfan23
08-15-2009, 08:23 AM
Agree here. Hard to believe all the Contreras angst with the way the defense played behind him.

Is it me or does Alexei move his arms too much on defense? The play he made the error, he was "swinging" his arms a lot and it seemed to help ruin the transfer from glove to hand.

Rios isn't off to a real good start either --- 2 more strikeouts in this game. On the error, I know TCQ cut in front of him, but Rios also took his eye off the ball.

Tough game for TCQ also --- 0 for 5 at the plate, gets an assist on Rios' error, and also bobbled a ball that let an extra run score in the fourth.

Maybe it's a good sign that they won a game like this in Oakland!


IMO the Rios error was mostly TCQ's fault. Speaking of Quentin, anyone else worried about him yet? He hasn't been very good since coming back. I'm starting to worry he may not ever be able to repeat last year. I very well could be wrong though, and I hope that I am.

slavko
08-15-2009, 08:42 AM
There's a difference between poking fun and getting personal. Gavin took two unnecessary shots in different posts.

Besides, HomeFish brings it on himself. Lip is sometimes a little too gloomy, but he's not a caricature of himself.

Lip's post was fine, too close to Godwin's Law territory perhaps, but fine.

Agreed. Carrasco's rubber arm has saved this team over the last 2 seasons. Another good "under the radar" pickup by KW.:cool:

He has taken the lowliest role in pitching and made something out of it. Spot starter in the future?

WhiteSox1989
08-15-2009, 09:03 AM
I don't care how it's done. As long as we win.

Red Barchetta
08-15-2009, 09:50 AM
Is it just me or did both Dye and Quentin act surprised by the amount of area Rios covers in CF? I know they are all getting used to each other, however what happened to the rule that the CF is the captain of the outfield? Although Rios was charged with the error, Quentin should not have run in front of him.

Hopefully they get more comfortable in the upcoming games as I think CF is Rios natural position.

Red Barchetta
08-15-2009, 09:53 AM
IMO the Rios error was mostly TCQ's fault. Speaking of Quentin, anyone else worried about him yet? He hasn't been very good since coming back. I'm starting to worry he may not ever be able to repeat last year. I very well could be wrong though, and I hope that I am.

I think Quentin is pressing and trying to make up for missing most of the season. He also came back during a time when Dye and some other players have cooled off so he's probably trying to do too much. I've also seen him hit some really hard outs. He has too much raw talent IMO to be a one-season wonder. I do however, think he is only playing at about 80% due to his injury.

Pear-Zin-Ski
08-15-2009, 10:01 AM
Is it just me or did both Dye and Quentin act surprised by the amount of area Rios covers in CF? I know they are all getting used to each other, however what happened to the rule that the CF is the captain of the outfield? Although Rios was charged with the error, Quentin should not have run in front of him.

Hopefully they get more comfortable in the upcoming games as I think CF is Rios natural position.

With it being his first game in CF for The Sox, I think both Carlos and JD thought Pods was still playing out there. I figure that the outfield has not had time to gel yet and whoever is playing the corners has to TRUST in Alex. The pressure is on him to make big plays because we all know he is capable of them. If he can't make them, then HE'S the one that looks like the ass, not the corners.

Dibbs
08-15-2009, 10:28 AM
The game was brutal to watch with the lead evaporating unnecessarily like that. Our defense will cost us the division if this keeps up.

Carrasco is a true MVP of the team this year. Thanks again Alexei!

Red Barchetta
08-15-2009, 10:39 AM
With it being his first game in CF for The Sox, I think both Carlos and JD thought Pods was still playing out there. I figure that the outfield has not had time to gel yet and whoever is playing the corners has to TRUST in Alex. The pressure is on him to make big plays because we all know he is capable of them. If he can't make them, then HE'S the one that looks like the ass, not the corners.

The ball to RCF was either/or. Dye called for it, however after the catch, lhe ooked a little surprised that Rios was so close. The ball to LCF where Rios was charged for the error was clearly his play and Quentin should have backed off. Even if Quentin is used to making those plays with Pods in CF, he should back off if the CF or "outfield captain" calls for the ball.

voodoochile
08-15-2009, 10:41 AM
With it being his first game in CF for The Sox, I think both Carlos and JD thought Pods was still playing out there. I figure that the outfield has not had time to gel yet and whoever is playing the corners has to TRUST in Alex. The pressure is on him to make big plays because we all know he is capable of them. If he can't make them, then HE'S the one that looks like the ass, not the corners.

Exactly and on the plus side, how cool was it to twice see two defenders ready to catch a flyball?

thedudeabides
08-15-2009, 11:09 AM
Exactly and on the plus side, how cool was it to twice see two defenders ready to catch a flyball?

It was nice to see. I'm sure it's just going to take a couple of games to get used to each other. He is definitely going to make the outfield a whole lot better.

voodoochile
08-15-2009, 11:20 AM
It was nice to see. I'm sure it's just going to take a couple of games to get used to each other. He is definitely going to make the outfield a whole lot better.

Yeah, and he adds a nice stick too boot. I still say that ball was fair. Heck, I thought it landed fair and there is no way it sliced around the foul pole to do that.

thedudeabides
08-15-2009, 11:25 AM
Yeah, and he adds a nice stick too boot. I still say that ball was fair. Heck, I thought it landed fair and there is no way it sliced around the foul pole to do that.

From where that ball landed I have no idea how they called it foul. I wish they would have looked at the replay.

Noneck
08-15-2009, 11:39 AM
From where that ball landed I have no idea how they called it foul. I wish they would have looked at the replay.

By the camera angle showed on TV, I don't think the replay would have been conclusive.

Zakath
08-15-2009, 11:56 AM
Can we expect Jose to go more than 6 innings at this point? So if we dont need DJ the next two days then the bullpen is just as it would have been from a 6 inning start from Jose.

In 18 starts this season, he's only made it out of the sixth 8 times, and only once in his last six starts (6.2 innings at Detroit in the first game of the doubleheader). At Minnesota, he was pulled in the sixth. Three other outings he didn't make it out of the fifth, and against the Angels he didn't get out of the third.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7043/gamelog;_ylt=AkKA495WYLrGVRrFOy0lzneFCLcF

So, the answer is No.

If you've got a starter who can't make it out of the fifth on a consistent basis, he's no longer a starter but just bad long-relief.

To compare to our other starters:
Buehrle - only failed to make it out of the sixth 4 times in 24 starts (did not make it out of the fifth twice)
Floyd - only failed to make it out of the sixth 7 times in 23 starts (did not make it out of the fifth once)
Danks - only failed to make it out of the sixth 8 times in 22 starts (did not make it out of the fifth twice)

hawkjt
08-15-2009, 11:57 AM
By the camera angle showed on TV, I don't think the replay would have been conclusive.


This is the problem...places like Oakland do not seem to have the down the line camera angle...what nu? I agree with Hawk...two places I hate to see the Sox go to play...minny and oakland.

The field is a complete joke. What other MLB team has ever had that football field situation in recent years?

The Rios home run should have been reviewed. They did not even bother to slow it down and give it a good look on WGN...***?
It landed fair, and it was hooking,so simple geometry says it was fair.
A shame that Alex got robbed of a chance to make a contribution.
Thankfully,it did not cost us the game, but it might have cost Jose his job.

voodoochile
08-15-2009, 11:58 AM
In 18 starts this season, he's only made it out of the sixth 8 times, and only once in his last six starts (6.2 innings at Detroit in the first game of the doubleheader). At Minnesota, he was pulled in the sixth. Three other outings he didn't make it out of the fifth, and against the Angels he didn't get out of the third.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7043/gamelog;_ylt=AkKA495WYLrGVRrFOy0lzneFCLcF

So, the answer is No.

If you've got a starter who can't make it out of the fifth on a consistent basis, he's no longer a starter but just bad long-relief.

To compare to our other starters:
Buehrle - only failed to make it out of the sixth 4 times in 24 starts (did not make it out of the fifth twice)
Floyd - only failed to make it out of the sixth 7 times in 23 starts (did not make it out of the fifth once)
Danks - only failed to make it out of the sixth 8 times in 22 starts (did not make it out of the fifth twice)

Might actually be a decent long reliever. He seems to work well for 3 innings after that it's a crapshoot.

fuzzy_patters
08-15-2009, 12:01 PM
The Sox have lost plenty of games where we played well in Oakland. It's about time they won one where they didn't play well. Perhaps their luck is changing.

TomBradley72
08-15-2009, 12:04 PM
My dream had Farmer and DJ commentary, probably because I had left the radio on.

Glad we won.

Now THAT'S an interesting scenario...care to share the details? :cool:

FielderJones
08-15-2009, 12:34 PM
Speaking of Quentin, anyone else worried about him yet? He hasn't been very good since coming back. I'm starting to worry he may not ever be able to repeat last year. I very well could be wrong though, and I hope that I am.

I think Quentin is pressing and trying to make up for missing most of the season. He also came back during a time when Dye and some other players have cooled off so he's probably trying to do too much. I've also seen him hit some really hard outs. He has too much raw talent IMO to be a one-season wonder. I do however, think he is only playing at about 80% due to his injury.

Quentin (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/player/gamelogs/2009/490156) has gotten a hit in 14 of the 23 games he's played since coming back. Five multi-hit games. Three homers. Nine RBI. I'm not worried about him at all. :shrug:

TDog
08-15-2009, 01:07 PM
...

The field is a complete joke. What other MLB team has ever had that football field situation in recent years?

The Rios home run should have been reviewed. They did not even bother to slow it down and give it a good look on WGN...***?
It landed fair, and it was hooking,so simple geometry says it was fair.
A shame that Alex got robbed of a chance to make a contribution.
Thankfully,it did not cost us the game, but it might have cost Jose his job.

The Coliseum could be a nice little baseball park, if not for how it is built up for football. The striping just makes matters worse.

I don't see any problem with playing preseason football in Berkley or at Standord, as long as it is preseason. The Bay Area has a football-only stadium in Candlestick. Really football shouldn't have any preseason games, but that is a bit off-topic.

As for the ome run, I was sitting in the end zone behind the Sox bullpen and was in no position ti make the call. It looked fair to me, but I assumed because of the reaction of the fans that it was foul.

One of the problems with instant replay in baseball is that the quality of the instant replay depends on the investment of local television and the home team.

DickAllen72
08-15-2009, 01:15 PM
Jose was sailing along til the errors started occurring...if Alexei fields that easy chance clean in the 3rd Jose is thru 3 innings with 40 pitches. Then in the 4th, if they catch the easy ball in center, there is 2 out nobody on.
It changed the whole inning.
If they just pick the ball up behind Jose he gets thru six innings tonite on 85 pitches and 1 run and everybody is happy.

Jose deserves another chance to see if the defense will catch the ball behind him. His stuff was good tonite(94mph) and he was throwing strikes. If he throws strikes, he gets people out...period..and he was throwing strikes.
Ozzie and Kenny know what happened. Jose will get more chances.

Meanwhile, it was a huge relief to win this game after Seattle. Thanks Alexei for making up for you lapse in the field.
Couldn't agree more with everything you wrote in your post. :thumbsup:

gobears1987
08-15-2009, 01:21 PM
I agree with what others have said. It is easy to jump on Jose, but he was making good pitches and putting the ball in play where his defense should've gotten the outs. If the defense made the plays they should've, he gets out of that rough inning with a 6-1 lead as the solo shot is the only run he should've given up.

Even if you look at his last start, he didn't pitch poorly. He gave up cheap singles against the Indians. Those were slow rollers out of the infield. That is just bad luck. Jose hasn't been hit hard in a while and the only times I can say he has pitched poorly is when he has walked batters.

Zakath
08-15-2009, 02:10 PM
Quentin (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/player/gamelogs/2009/490156) has gotten a hit in 14 of the 23 games he's played since coming back. Five multi-hit games. Three homers. Nine RBI. I'm not worried about him at all. :shrug:

If he pulls another collar today, I'd start worrying...

voodoochile
08-15-2009, 02:12 PM
If he pulls another collar today, I'd start worrying...

Did you actually see his AB last night or did you just read the box score?

He hit at least 3 pitches real solid. Two went for outs (one at the warning track in CF) and one was a foul ball.

Quentin is the least of our worries, IMO.

JermaineDye05
08-15-2009, 02:59 PM
How did Rios look in CF?

I wasn't able to watch the whole game, so how did Alex look in center? I saw the error but it looked like it might have been one of those rare Oakland occurrences. So excluding the error, how did Alex look?

chisoxfanatic
08-15-2009, 03:45 PM
I'm not about to read this whole thread, but Contreras is about scaring me to death! I'd rather Carrasco and Contreras switch spots if they're not going to bring anyone up. I have tons more confidence in DJ right now. Contreras can't pitch more than a few innings, so long relief isn't a bad spot for him at this moment. He can do less damage.

I'm sold on the fact that he could blow a 10-run lead or more.

Thank god for Alexei. He's basically saved our road trip.

Zisk77
08-15-2009, 03:48 PM
How did Rios look in CF?

I wasn't able to watch the whole game, so how did Alex look in center? I saw the error but it looked like it might have been one of those rare Oakland occurrences. So excluding the error, how did Alex look?

the error occured when he ranged into deep left cf to catch the ball & TCQ practically trucked. Rios was distracted, took evasive action, and dropped the ball.

However he covered tremendous ground and made everything look easy despite having to navigate the mine field that is CF due to the football bleachers.

Alex also had a 3-run hr erroneously called foul that would have put us up 9-0.

Zakath
08-15-2009, 11:28 PM
Did you actually see his AB last night or did you just read the box score?

He hit at least 3 pitches real solid. Two went for outs (one at the warning track in CF) and one was a foul ball.

Quentin is the least of our worries, IMO.

I'd seen all of his AB for the past two games before today. He had some really ugly K's in there that hurt to watch.

Nice to see him get off the schneid a little bit today, but he's still not where he was pre-2008 injury.

hawkjt
08-16-2009, 08:50 AM
In the 9 games preceding the two you cite vs Seattle ,Carlos was 13 of 32(.395) and had an on base of 19 of 38 (.500).

Yes, he struggled vs Seattle ...so did everyone else. Seattle leads the league in ERA for a reason, huge park where the ball does not fly at all,with great outfielders that run everything down. No one hits there.

Carlos is looking just fine for a guy who had over two months off.
If he hits .300 the rest of the way, I will be very happy.

Shoeless
08-16-2009, 09:27 AM
In the 9 games preceding the two you cite vs Seattle ,Carlos was 13 of 32(.395) and had an on base of 19 of 38 (.500).

Yes, he struggled vs Seattle ...so did everyone else. Seattle leads the league in ERA for a reason, huge park where the ball does not fly at all,with great outfielders that run everything down. No one hits there.

Carlos is looking just fine for a guy who had over two months off.
If he hits .300 the rest of the way, I will be very happy.

Example: Our best hitter went 0-6 in a 14 inning game in Seattle, but has turned it around in Oakland.