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october23sp
08-13-2009, 02:04 AM
:angry:

hi im skot
08-13-2009, 02:04 AM
****.

GoGoCrede
08-13-2009, 02:04 AM
Ughh.

illinifan1368
08-13-2009, 02:04 AM
Thanks for watching the catcher to face a top 5 hitter of all time

DaveFeelsRight
08-13-2009, 02:04 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/Magemasher/lolololol.gif

doublem23
08-13-2009, 02:04 AM
1-0. **** that sucked.

gobears1987
08-13-2009, 02:04 AM
Why? I'm so tired too :(:

maristsox
08-13-2009, 02:04 AM
i blame that loss on the emergency broadcasting system

GoGoCrede
08-13-2009, 02:04 AM
Identical post game thread titles. WEIRD. Are you the male version of me?

munchman33
08-13-2009, 02:05 AM
What day is it?

At least it was Griffey.

KnightSox
08-13-2009, 02:05 AM
What a waste of pitching.

Tragg
08-13-2009, 02:05 AM
What happened in the inning when Podsednikgot picked off 3rd?

kevingrt
08-13-2009, 02:05 AM
Sick and tired and depressed.

Hanger on 1-2 No effing way

Whitesoxfan23
08-13-2009, 02:05 AM
Thank God for the day off. Can't believe I wasted hours watching this. Great job Pods.

Shoeless_Jeff
08-13-2009, 02:05 AM
What a complete waste of time, energy, and most importantly good pitching. This team shouldn't make the playoffs. $%#* this.

voodoochile
08-13-2009, 02:05 AM
Never a waste of time to watch baseball. What a game. Too bad it didn't go our way. Certainly had our chances.

Thought Pods had a double in the 8th but the ump called it foul.

Whatever... on to Oakland...

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:05 AM
We had Felix owned SEVERAL times. We'd get guys on, and then we'd **** all over ourselves. This game should have been an 8-0 ass-kicking.

Bull**** effort by the hitters tonight.

soxfanreggie
08-13-2009, 02:05 AM
Well, I stayed up til 2 AM because I love my Sox, and I still do. However, I'm contemplating that glass of scotch because we had so many opportunities here! Darn it!

Kinda funny we have like 3 or 4 postgame threads already.

ms620
08-13-2009, 02:05 AM
How about you give Beckham a day off also. He looked awful at the plate. And im glad they use Griffey..who has not been good...but Ozzie leaves PK and Dye on the bench. Brilliant.

LoveYourSuit
08-13-2009, 02:06 AM
Signature play describe this one:

Scotty Pods picked off at 3B.


Him and Alexei doing heavy battle for biggest moron on this team.

ode to veeck
08-13-2009, 02:06 AM
great game except for the last fat pitch from Pena down the middle on 1-2 to jr that part sucked

JermaineDye05
08-13-2009, 02:06 AM
I hate you Tony Pena....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tbBYNu0qnow/RpxNSw9WE1I/AAAAAAAABf0/-3htfOq9foM/s320/K06_pena.jpg

No, not you.

http://msn.foxsports.com/fe/img/MLB/Headshots/140x170/7731.jpg

Zakath
08-13-2009, 02:06 AM
16 K's, 14 LOB, and a really bad baserunning mistake will kill good pitching.

SoxSpeed22
08-13-2009, 02:07 AM
Balls.

Thatguyoverthere
08-13-2009, 02:07 AM
Of course it was Griffey. I stayed up the whole game wanting the Sox to just win so I could go to bed, but now I'm so angry I don't want to sleep now. ****ing hell. :mad:

hi im skot
08-13-2009, 02:07 AM
What a kick in the junk.

gobears1987
08-13-2009, 02:07 AM
Well I'm off to bed now. At least my back no longer hurts so I have one less complaint tonight.

I'll sleep on this and maybe tomorrow I won't feel like ranting.

JermaineDye05
08-13-2009, 02:07 AM
Signature play describe this one:

Scotty Pods picked off at 3B.


Him and Alexei doing heavy battle for biggest moron on this team.

1 out in the 10th and you're the go ahead run. What the **** are you doing off the bag Pods?

soxfanreggie
08-13-2009, 02:07 AM
Voodoo, I agree, it was a great game to watch from a pitching standpoint. 1 run given up by both staffs in 14 innings. You don't see that very often. Still disappointed we lost, but I echo your sentiments about watching a good game.

Dibbs
08-13-2009, 02:07 AM
Poorly managed and poorly executed game by the players. We should have won this game a couple hours ago.

Frater Perdurabo
08-13-2009, 02:07 AM
Pathetic offense. They should be ashamed.

Whitesoxfan23
08-13-2009, 02:07 AM
I knew as soon as Griffey stepped up it was over. LOL@ our offense. Pathetic. Kudos to our pitching staff though.

Soxman219
08-13-2009, 02:08 AM
This is a bad way to start my birthday.:(:

GoGoCrede
08-13-2009, 02:08 AM
Unreal play by Kotsay in one of those innings. Who even remembers which one? I can hardly see.

Offense owes Buehrle an apology.

gobears1987
08-13-2009, 02:08 AM
:happybdayThis is a bad way to start my birthday.:(:

GoGoCrede
08-13-2009, 02:09 AM
This is a bad way to start my birthday.:(:

:happybday Hope you're of age to drink now, this one sucked...

gobears1987
08-13-2009, 02:09 AM
Unreal play by Kotsay in one of those innings. Who even remembers which one? I can hardly see.

Offense owes Buehrle an apology.
An apology? They should return those nice bottles of Crown Royale

Shoeless
08-13-2009, 02:09 AM
Official slogan of the Oakland series:

"Baseball is FUN again!"


...i hope

SoxSpeed22
08-13-2009, 02:09 AM
Just for the hell of it.
9bLTQ14TEyY

1989
08-13-2009, 02:09 AM
What a complete waste of time, energy, and most importantly good pitching. This team shouldn't make the playoffs. $%#* this.

**** that. despite all the bull**** this team has been through, they are still only 2 games back. I've never seen a White Sox team have worse luck in my lifetime. Never. **** the baseball Gods. They treated us like **** tonight.

This team will make the playoffs. They absolutely will. Once **** starts going their way, this team will be unstoppable.

Zakath
08-13-2009, 02:10 AM
Unreal play by Kotsay in one of those innings. Who even remembers which one? I can hardly see.

Offense owes Buehrle an apology.

That was in the bottom of the 12th.

popilius
08-13-2009, 02:10 AM
16 K's, 14 LOB, and a really bad baserunning mistake will kill good pitching.

You said it. . . 14 LOB? You don't deserve to win with a stat like that.

gobears1987
08-13-2009, 02:10 AM
Just because it was against the Mariners...

http://blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/failboat.jpg


I could use the laugh...

ms620
08-13-2009, 02:11 AM
**** that. despite all the bull**** this team has been through, they are still only 2 games back. I've never seen a White Sox team have worse luck in my lifetime. Never. **** the baseball Gods. They treated us like **** tonight.

This team will make the playoffs. They absolutely will. Once **** starts going their way, this team will be unstoppable.

Ha blame it all on luck. I guess when Beckham swings...and gets nothing but air..thats bad luck. And the GB theory returns....only 2 back..must mean the Sox are a good team!

kidmccarthy
08-13-2009, 02:11 AM
Unfortunate ending, but what the heck, no Konerko or Dye pinch hitting? And pods blew the game on that pickoff. Carlos, hit the ball deep enough the next pitch. We just cant hit on the road.

hi im skot
08-13-2009, 02:11 AM
I blame Rios.



/sarcasm...?

chisoxfanatic
08-13-2009, 02:11 AM
WHY wasn't Getz brought in to replace Nix???

Taliesinrk
08-13-2009, 02:11 AM
Looks like the White Sox offense has a visitor:

GoGoCrede
08-13-2009, 02:11 AM
WHY wasn't Getz brought in to replace Nix???

His side hurt.

JermaineDye05
08-13-2009, 02:12 AM
WHY wasn't Getz brought in to replace Nix???

Someone stated that Hawk said Getz was hurt.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:12 AM
WHY wasn't Getz brought in to replace Nix???

It was tossed around chat that he's hurt again...something about his side.

SBSoxFan
08-13-2009, 02:12 AM
**** that. despite all the bull**** this team has been through, they are still only 2 games back. I've never seen a White Sox team have worse luck in my lifetime. Never. **** the baseball Gods. They treated us like **** tonight.

This team will make the playoffs. They absolutely will. Once **** starts going their way, this team will be unstoppable.

It really hurts that they could have gone into the off day just 1 game back. Just a pathetic game by the offense.

Soxman219
08-13-2009, 02:12 AM
:happybday Hope you're of age to drink now, this one sucked...

Next year I'll be able to LEGALLY drink.

voodoochile
08-13-2009, 02:12 AM
**** that. despite all the bull**** this team has been through, they are still only 2 games back. I've never seen a White Sox team have worse luck in my lifetime. Never. **** the baseball Gods. They treated us like **** tonight.

This team will make the playoffs. They absolutely will. Once **** starts going their way, this team will be unstoppable.

Yeah, absolutely every single bounce that could have made a difference in this game went the M's way. You are 100% right.

And again, I thought Pods hit in the 8th with men on 1st and 3rd and nobody out was fair, but the ump called it foul. Not that we'll ever get a definitive shot one way or the other.

Jim Thome got the opportunity to leave 0 men on base tonight. Given the number of hits and walks that's pretty freaking telling as to how bad Rios and Beckham were.

Whitesoxfan23
08-13-2009, 02:12 AM
I wish someone could photoshop a goat with Pods head on it, because he blew the game for us.

Nellie_Fox
08-13-2009, 02:13 AM
Looks like the White Sox offense has a visitor:Huh? :scratch:

gobears1987
08-13-2009, 02:13 AM
Next year I'll be able to LEGALLY drink.
so until then....:redneck

Soxman219
08-13-2009, 02:13 AM
:happybday
Thanks.:smile:

1989
08-13-2009, 02:14 AM
It was nice to see Rios in a White Sox uniform and Peavy will be pitching later tonight. It will be nice to hear about #44 pitching.

gobears1987
08-13-2009, 02:14 AM
Looks like the White Sox offense has a visitor:
There it is! I knew he would show up tonight.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:14 AM
I wish someone could photoshop a goat with Pods head on it, because he blew the game for us.

You're right. Pods stranded ten plus runners tonight. Quit blaming Pods, it's the entire offense that shares the blame.

Shoeless_Jeff
08-13-2009, 02:14 AM
What's all this talk about luck? That's for the other side of town. This loss is all on the lethargic offense. Plain and simple.

october23sp
08-13-2009, 02:14 AM
****. I'm furious about this on so many levels.

voodoochile
08-13-2009, 02:15 AM
WHY wasn't Getz brought in to replace Nix???

There were a lot of pinch hitting opportunities tonight. My thought is Ozzie just felt it more important to give Dye, Getz and Konerko two full days off.

Nix actually wasn't horrible tonight. He had that great at bat to draw the walk in extras, but Pods and Beckham struck out.

october23sp
08-13-2009, 02:15 AM
I want our offense back.:whiner:

Nellie_Fox
08-13-2009, 02:15 AM
I wish someone could photoshop a goat with Pods head on it, because he blew the game for us.How in the world do you pick one guy, and one incident, to pin the blame on? Stop looking for a scapegoat.

There is no point in getting so angry. I'm disappointed after a loss like this, but I don't get angry about it.

GoGoCrede
08-13-2009, 02:15 AM
I feel for anyone who has work in a few hours. You guys are Chicago Tough. :redneck

illinifan1368
08-13-2009, 02:16 AM
How in the world do you pick one guy, and one incident, to pin the blame on? Stop looking for a scapegoat.

There is no point in getting so angry. I'm disappointed after a loss like this, but I don't get angry about it.
Cause Pods did blow the game for us.:scratch:

october23sp
08-13-2009, 02:16 AM
How in the world do you pick one guy, and one incident, to pin the blame on? Stop looking for a scapegoat.

There is no point in getting so angry. I'm disappointed after a loss like this, but I don't get angry about it.

I'm very angry. I broke the chair arm by punching it. But it's not Pods fault. Our offense is gone, hope it comes back.

gobears1987
08-13-2009, 02:16 AM
OK, I've had my fun, I'm NOW going to sleep. G-d help me when I wake up in the morning.

Whitesoxfan23
08-13-2009, 02:16 AM
How in the world do you pick one guy, and one incident, to pin the blame on? Stop looking for a scapegoat.

There is no point in getting so angry. I'm disappointed after a loss like this, but I don't get angry about it.


Getting picked off at 3rd base is inexcusable.

goofymsfan
08-13-2009, 02:17 AM
I was at all three games and all three were great games. Two games went the way I wanted and one went the way of the Sox. Tonight there was a buttload of great pitching by both teams and some awesome defensive plays to keep it a scoreless game into the bottom of the 14th inning.

Best of luck to to Sox until we meet again in September.

JermaineDye05
08-13-2009, 02:17 AM
It's too late to start drinking. Even if it weren't I'm still not 21 :whiner:. I sure could use one right now. Thank God, it's just over 3 weeks until my birthday.

1989
08-13-2009, 02:17 AM
What was our RISP tonight? 0-14? 0-15?

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:18 AM
Cause Pods did blow the game for us.:scratch:

How do you not understand that the entire team stranded more than ten runners tonight? Pods got picked off once. Look at the box score, and you'll see guys that blew a chance to win this game left and right.

Zakath
08-13-2009, 02:18 AM
You said it. . . 14 LOB? You don't deserve to win with a stat like that.

Yep. 14 team LOB. Individually, Beckham left 6, Quentin and Nix 5 each, Pods 4, Rios and Ramirez 3 each, and Kotsay 1. All 9 in the lineup struck out at least once (Pods, Rios, and Ramirez twice, Beckham and Quentin thrice).

What really sucks is that it was a golden opportunity to put more pressure on the reeling Tigers, and we blew it. Have to hope Boston sweeps them, because they get KC at home after this.

JermaineDye05
08-13-2009, 02:18 AM
You're right. Pods stranded ten plus runners tonight. Quit blaming Pods, it's the entire offense that shares the blame.

Pods had the biggest **** up of the night.

hawkjt
08-13-2009, 02:18 AM
Really a pretty clean game cept for Pods and Alexei's messup.
No excuse for Pods...second time in three games picked off,when not really looking to steal. He did get hits tho. I thought he looked good at the plate. Just a shame. I have no doubt that one by pods was fair...it bounced fair in front of the bag and was going straight down the line just outside far down the line...no way that a ball is that straight,be inbounds that close to the bag and still be hugging the line all the way to the corner. Culpa is a bad ump,has been for awhile...we got screwed on several check swings this series also.

Really bites,but thankfully Boston is doing their job on tigers.
This will sit heavy for 2 days tho. Just needed on clutch hit or sacrifice..the whole game.
That place seems impossible to score in...no wonder Seattle has the great ERA...and no wonder Washburn was at sub 3. ERA....Detroit is a hitters paradise by comparison...as Washburn is finding out.

Nellie_Fox
08-13-2009, 02:18 AM
Podsednik was getting a secondary lead. They put a play on. It happens.

SBSoxFan
08-13-2009, 02:18 AM
What was our RISP tonight? 0-14? 0-15?

1-14; Nix had a hit while Kotsay was at second.

BadBobbyJenks
08-13-2009, 02:19 AM
Waste of time? I thought that was just one hell of a ball game.

I just dont understand how you can get picked off at 3rd with Thome up at the plate. We are hoping for the Sac fly and they already had tried that play earlier in the game. So ridiculous.

Whatever, I am not even that upset, it was a fantastic game that one team had to lose.

october23sp
08-13-2009, 02:19 AM
I don't know what to think about this team. But I'll listen to George Michael.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:20 AM
Pods had the biggest **** up of the night.

I'm not saying that Pods didn't **** up big time, because he did. But to single him out as "the goat" is just plain ignorant.

Rohan
08-13-2009, 02:20 AM
I think we need a 7th outfielder on the 25 man roster before September...

Let's sign Ken Griffey Jr!

voodoochile
08-13-2009, 02:21 AM
Podsednik was getting a secondary lead. They put a play on. It happens.

They spotted something and took advantage. The 3B did a great job of getting to the bag fast while Pods was still watching the pitch. The pitch either by design or luck was up and outside with a LH batter so the catcher was receiving it in a perfect position with no one to block his throwing angle and Pods was a gone goose.

BadBobbyJenks
08-13-2009, 02:21 AM
Podsednik was getting a secondary lead. They put a play on. It happens.

You cant get caught there ever. Especially when they had already put that play on earlier.

Pods is not the only goat tonight, but he sure does stick out.

october23sp
08-13-2009, 02:21 AM
The count when Griffey hit that ball was 0-3 by the way.

Zakath
08-13-2009, 02:21 AM
Whatever, I am not even that upset, it was a fantastic game that one team had to lose.

Unfortunately, it wasn't them.

1989
08-13-2009, 02:21 AM
Cause Pods did blow the game for us.:scratch:

He absolutely did. Getting picked off of 3rd with 1 out, in a game that's in extra innings is completely inexcusable. That is 100% on Pods. He HAS to know better. I mean why is he so far off the base? It's after the pitch too. You have to be aware of the situation. Instead a high school play catches Scott picking his nose. Fantastic.

Frankfan4life
08-13-2009, 02:22 AM
Poorly managed and poorly executed game by the players. We should have won this game a couple hours ago.No argument here. Bad night!

kitekrazy
08-13-2009, 02:22 AM
Getting picked off at 3rd base is inexcusable.

We have a winner!!!

Plus Pena..........is enough to make you want to see more of Linebrink.

october23sp
08-13-2009, 02:22 AM
I'm pissed because it was so winnable in so many ways. I don't care if it's a good baseball game. It involved the Sox and if they don't win, I'm not happy.

SBSoxFan
08-13-2009, 02:23 AM
He absolutely did. Getting picked off of 3rd with 1 out, in a game that's in extra innings is completely inexcusable. That is 100% on Pods. He HAS to know better. I mean why is he so far off the base? It's after the pitch too. You have to be aware of the situation. Instead a high school play catches Scott picking his nose. Fantastic.

He was trying to get a big lead so he could score on a wild pitch/passed ball. After all, Seattle had two of each in this game.

1989
08-13-2009, 02:23 AM
We have a winner!!!

Plus Pena..........is enough to make you want to see more of Linebrink.

Cmon now, that's just not true.

october23sp
08-13-2009, 02:23 AM
We have a winner!!!

Plus Pena..........is enough to make you want to see more of Linebrink.

Yeah Pena is.... dare I say it... hot garbage.

hawkjt
08-13-2009, 02:24 AM
Is Gordon vulnerable to breaking balls suddenly? Last few games he is struggling and tonite he really looked hapless vs breaking balls. I knew it was too good to last all season,but if he has a hole in his swing suddlenly, our offense goes flat. Lately, we go as Gordon goes.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:25 AM
Is Gordon vulnerable to breaking balls suddenly? Last few games he is struggling and tonite he really looked hapless vs breaking balls. I knew it was too good to last all season,but if he has a hole in his swing suddlenly, our offense goes flat. Lately, we go as Gordon goes.

The all star break has been very unkind to the Sox. JD, Pods and Beckham stopped hitting all at once.

Whitesoxfan23
08-13-2009, 02:26 AM
I'm not too upset with Pena. A run was bound to be given up sooner or later. I'm pissed at our offense and mostly Scotty Pods. I'm not saying he's the only reason we lost this game by a long shot, but he is the main reason. We would have won 1-0 if he wouldn't have made a boneheaded mistake.

Zakath
08-13-2009, 02:27 AM
You cant get caught there ever. Especially when they had already put that play on earlier.

Pods is not the only goat tonight, but he sure does stick out.

It wasn't his only baserunning mistake of the night, as he should have moved to second on Beckham's bunt in the third, but ended up getting forced at second instead.

Add to that striking out in the seventh with 1st and 3rd and no outs, and striking out in the 14th with 1st and 2nd and one out, and it was not a YouTube highlight night for #22.

1989
08-13-2009, 02:27 AM
He was trying to get a big lead so he could score on a wild pitch/passed ball. After all, Seattle had two of each in this game.

Then the second it looks like the catcher has the ball break towards 3rd base in FAIR territory. Scott has to read the plane of the pitch and know that the ball is not going to bounce, so he should stop creeping forward and actually, um return to 3rd base. The responsibility is all on the runner to know and execute this. This is stuff that is taught by age 11.

The pickoff is all Scott's fault, and ultimately it cost us the game.

Konerko05
08-13-2009, 02:28 AM
Is Gordon vulnerable to breaking balls suddenly? Last few games he is struggling and tonite he really looked hapless vs breaking balls. I knew it was too good to last all season,but if he has a hole in his swing suddlenly, our offense goes flat. Lately, we go as Gordon goes.

He could use a couple days off. He's had a very crazy year and he seems to be coming down off a pretty massive high. Having a couple days to relax and just watch a baseball game should do him some good.

Nellie_Fox
08-13-2009, 02:32 AM
Then the second it looks like the catcher has the ball break towards 3rd base in FAIR territory. Scott has to read the plane of the pitch and know that the ball is not going to bounce, so he should stop creeping forward and actually, um return to 3rd base. The responsibility is all on the runner to know and execute this. This is stuff that is taught by age 11.

The pickoff is all Scott's fault, and ultimately it cost us the game.Oh, please. I hate this kind of hyperbole. Eleven-year-olds aren't allowed to take leadoffs, and they aren't taught to read pitches. Why do people here always have to find one person to vent their wrath on?

Konerko05
08-13-2009, 02:32 AM
No one yet has mentioned Cox sending Nix home on a shallow flyball to Ichiro. That was a horrible decision.

BadBobbyJenks
08-13-2009, 02:33 AM
No one yet has mentioned Cox sending Nix home on a shallow flyball to Ichiro. That was a horrible decision.

Felix was making every righty look foolish, might as well take the shot there. Not a high percentage play, but I would have done the same thing.

BadBobbyJenks
08-13-2009, 02:35 AM
Oh, please. I hate this kind of hyperbole. Eleven-year-olds aren't allowed to take leadoffs, and they aren't taught to read pitches. Why do people here always have to find one person to vent their wrath on?

That was the ballgame, you cant get picked off at third with less than two outs with the clean up hitter up. There is really nothing else to say. Inexcusable and I will repeat they already showed that they would run that play with men on third.

Konerko05
08-13-2009, 02:36 AM
Felix was making every righty look foolish, might as well take the shot there. Not a high percentage play, but I would have done the same thing.

Ichiro took his time, bounced the ball in and he still had Nix by three steps. If it's 95% of other outfielders it would be a decent call, but not against Ichiro.

1989
08-13-2009, 02:37 AM
Oh, please. I hate this kind of hyperbole. Eleven-year-olds aren't allowed to take leadoffs, and they aren't taught to read pitches. Why do people here always have to find one person to vent their wrath on?

Because what he did was so stupid! It was a mental error. It is one thing to make physical errors and God knows we've seen a lot of those, but to have a mental lapse like that in such a crucial part of the game is mind-numbing.

SBSoxFan
08-13-2009, 02:37 AM
Felix was making every righty look foolish, might as well take the shot there. Not a high percentage play, but I would have done the same thing.

Except Thome who came into the game 5-8 against Hernandez, would have been up next. It's likely he would've walked Thome though and gone after Quentin, who also had a bad night at the plate. :(:

doublem23
08-13-2009, 02:37 AM
That was the ballgame, you cant get picked off at third with less than two outs with the clean up hitter up. There is really nothing else to say. Inexcusable and I will repeat they already showed that they would run that play with men on third.

They needed 1 run in 13 innings. Pods getting picked off was a huge play, but don't pretend like it was the only shot we had all night.

Plenty of blame to go around when you don't score a run in a 14-inning game.

Rohan
08-13-2009, 02:38 AM
No one yet has mentioned Cox sending Nix home on a shallow flyball to Ichiro. That was a horrible decision.

Sending anyone home on Ichiro is just a bad choice. Because of how shallow the ball was hit, it was a REALLY bad choice.

That was the ballgame, you cant get picked off at third with less than two outs with the clean up hitter up. There is really nothing else to say. Inexcusable and I will repeat they already showed that they would run that play with men on third.

Podsednik has been picked off so many times this year it's not even funny. He just forgot basics of running the base pads. It's that simple, and today it hurt us.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:38 AM
That was the ballgame, you cant get picked off at third with less than two outs with the clean up hitter up. There is really nothing else to say. Inexcusable and I will repeat they already showed that they would run that play with men on third.

Pods getting picked off at 3rd cost one run. So did every double play ball and strikeout with less than two outs. In a one run game, every one of those plays is the ballgame.

Whitesoxfan23
08-13-2009, 02:38 AM
I would like to point out also that Beckham looked absolutely brutal tonight. Quentin looked awful too.

BadBobbyJenks
08-13-2009, 02:39 AM
Ichiro took his time, bounced the ball in and he still had Nix by three steps. If it's 95% of other outfielders it would be a decent call, but not against Ichiro.

Well he threw a strike that one hopped to the catcher just like you draw it up.

1989
08-13-2009, 02:40 AM
Felix was making every righty look foolish, might as well take the shot there. Not a high percentage play, but I would have done the same thing.

Agree. When we are struggling against him as we were today, you got to send him. Hoping that Nix beats the throw isn't the only thing you're banking on there. There's a chance Ichiro bobbles it, throws it offline, overthrows it, or the catcher makes a poor tag or block at the plate. Also. Nix was safe. He touched home barely before the tag was applied, but the ump is never going to call it in when the ball beats him by that much.

BadBobbyJenks
08-13-2009, 02:41 AM
They needed 1 run in 13 innings. Pods getting picked off was a huge play, but don't pretend like it was the only shot we had all night.

Plenty of blame to go around when you don't score a run in a 14-inning game.

I didnt say it was the only shot, but it was in extra innings and we win if he scores there so it is inexcusable to be picked off.

Plenty of people to blame, but Pods is number one on the chopping block. I dont see how you can argue otherwise.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:41 AM
Agree. When we are struggling against him as we were today, you got to send him. Hoping that Nix beats the throw isn't the only thing you're banking on there. There's a chance Ichiro bobbles it, throws it offline, overthrows it, or the catcher makes a poor tag or block at the plate. Also. Nix was safe. He touched home barely before the tag was applied, but the ump is never going to call it in when the ball beats him by that much.

It was Felix that was reeling against us. We just dropped the ball against him repeatedly. We should have hung at least five runs on him tonight.

doublem23
08-13-2009, 02:43 AM
I didnt say it was the only shot, but it was in extra innings and we win if he scores there so it is inexcusable to be picked off.

Plenty of people to blame, but Pods is number one on the chopping block. I dont see how you can argue otherwise.

FWIW, he was about an inch away from being the hero, his double down the RF line was called just barely foul. That's just baseball.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:43 AM
I didnt say it was the only shot, but it was in extra innings and we win if he scores there so it is inexcusable to be picked off.

Plenty of people to blame, but Pods is number one on the chopping block. I dont see how you can argue otherwise.

Why? If Beckham, Quentin or Rios come through one time in the first nine innings, we aren't talking about Pods getting picked off in extras.

1989
08-13-2009, 02:43 AM
I didnt say it was the only shot, but it was in extra innings and we win if he scores there so it is inexcusable to be picked off.

Plenty of people to blame, but Pods is number one on the chopping block. I dont see how you can argue otherwise.

Exactly. If Pods gets back to 3rd like he was supposed to. Thome is sitting in a nice 2-0 hitters count coming off a nicely executed hit-and-run and most likely, the pitcher folds like a tent.

1989
08-13-2009, 02:45 AM
It was Felix that was reeling against us. We just dropped the ball against him repeatedly. We should have hung at least five runs on him tonight.

True. But we were shooting ourselves in the foot too much to make him feel any pressure. He could just relax and throw pitches out of the zone, knowing that we would chase and get ourselves out. We allowed him to pitch his game.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:48 AM
True. But we were shooting ourselves in the foot too much to make him feel any pressure. He could just relax and throw pitches out of the zone, knowing that we would chase and get ourselves out. We allowed him to pitch his game.

I don't think that's the case at all. I don't think there's a pitcher in baseball that just brushes off runners in scoring position with less than 2 outs, let alone having that happen in three separate innings. Felix wasn't comfortable up there at all.

JermaineDye05
08-13-2009, 02:48 AM
Why? If Beckham, Quentin or Rios come through one time in the first nine innings, we aren't talking about Pods getting picked off in extras.

Beckham would have come through if it weren't for a lucky bounce off the mound.

Rios also would have come through if it weren't for a perfect throw from Ichiro.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:50 AM
Beckham would have come through if it weren't for a lucky bounce off the mound.

Rios also would have come through if it weren't for a perfect throw from Ichiro.

Pods would have come through if his double was (rightly) called fair.

Noneck
08-13-2009, 02:51 AM
What was Cox doing or saying when the Pod got picked? Did he tell him to take that kind of lead, did he tell him not to or was he even paying attention? Coaches should know through scouting reports about teams pick off plays. btw: I am not supporting Pods but maybe more are at fault also.

ms620
08-13-2009, 02:51 AM
Over the last 2 games, our staff has allowed 2 runs in 23 innings...

JB98
08-13-2009, 02:56 AM
I didn't like the bunting tonight. Attempting to bunt basically took the bat out of Beckham's hands in the 10th. He ended up striking out on three pitches. Why not just have Pods steal to get into scoring position? Is Rob Johnson behind the plate that big of a deterrant?

The bunt in the 11th was an even worse call, although Ramirez executed perfectly. Ramirez hit the game-winning HR last night. Why the hell are we having him give himself up to set up an RBI chance for Kotsay and Nix? :scratch: Alexei was the best hitter due up in that inning....

Konerko05
08-13-2009, 02:59 AM
I didn't like the bunting tonight. Attempting to bunt basically took the bat out of Beckham's hands in the 10th. He ended up striking out on three pitches. Why not just have Pods steal to get into scoring position? Is Rob Johnson behind the plate that big of a deterrant.

The bunt in the 11th was an even worse call, although Ramirez executed perfectly. Ramirez hit the game-winning HR last night. Why the hell are we having him give himself up to set up an RBI chance for Kotsay and Nix? :scratch: Alexei was the best hitter due up in that inning....

Agreed. I really dislike the sacrifice bunt with a runner on 1st and no outs. It's a total waste of an at bat. With Podsednik on 1st and a guy with great bat control at the plate, something other than creating an out could have been done.

Noneck
08-13-2009, 02:59 AM
I didn't like the bunting tonight. Attempting to bunt basically took the bat out of Beckham's hands in the 10th. He ended up striking out on three pitches. Why not just have Pods steal to get into scoring position? Is Rob Johnson behind the plate that big of a deterrant?

The bunt in the 11th was an even worse call, although Ramirez executed perfectly. Ramirez hit the game-winning HR last night. Why the hell are we having him give himself up to set up an RBI chance for Kotsay and Nix? :scratch: Alexei was the best hitter due up in that inning....

Ironically Kotsay and Nix were the only ones that looked decent at the plate tonight. I meant yesterday.

Nellie_Fox
08-13-2009, 03:00 AM
He just forgot basics of running the base pads. What the hell are base pads?

whitesoxfan
08-13-2009, 03:03 AM
Man that was a frustrating loss. That's all I'm going to say.

Go get em in Oakland..

samurai_sox
08-13-2009, 03:07 AM
Man that was a frustrating loss. That's all I'm going to say.

Go get em in Oakland..


Thats whats really is pissing me off about blowing tonights game. We all know how we do in Oakland :angry: Time for our annual walk off loss via home run from Kurt Suzuki.

doublem23
08-13-2009, 03:09 AM
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Thats whats really is pissing me off about blowing tonights game. We all know how we do in Oakland :angry: Time for our annual walk off loss via home run from Kurt Suzuki.

For the record, we haven't done too hot in Seattle in recent years either, so what's the point?

Lip Man 1
08-13-2009, 03:10 AM
So much for the momentum from Ramirez's home run.

A devastating loss. You play that long you need to win the game or you have a hangover for a few days and Oakland is one place they can't afford a hangover.

Just brutal. Typical Sox offense, get guys in scoring position and they turn to ****. Home Run or nothing...keep swingin' for those fences boys with men in scoring position!

Lip

samurai_sox
08-13-2009, 03:12 AM
For the record, we haven't done too hot in Seattle in recent years either, so what's the point?

When we play in Oakland, we might as well be at the baggie dome. We have a horrible record there.

whitesoxfan
08-13-2009, 03:14 AM
When we play in Oakland, we might as well be at the baggie dome. We have a horrible record there.

It's time to stop saying **** like this. That stuff is all mental.

Rohan
08-13-2009, 03:18 AM
It's time to stop saying **** like this. That stuff is all mental.

True... But damnit i'm sick of these west coast games. Not because of any sort of west coast curse or **** like that. But these are some late games :angry:.
I can't even sleep right now because of this one.

Lip Man 1
08-13-2009, 03:26 AM
Before that last embarrassment in Minnesota I read a newspaper story (Sun-Times I think) that quoted Dye as saying that when he was with Oakland and the Sox came in, the A's knew they were going to win the game. The story was trying to figure out why the Sox are brutal in Minnesota.

Dye said the A's knew that somehow the Sox would find a way to lose the game. He basically said 'it is what it is' for the Sox in Oakland, in Minnesota, in Boston, in Texas. Basically implied to me that the Sox just lose there and not a lot can be done about it.

I remember Love Your Suit got royally upset over Dye's comments and posted his thoughts

You're absolutely right...it's all mental and I guess, it says something unfortunate about Jermaine and his teammates if they have basically come to accept this. (Granted based on one newspaper story...)

Lip

whitesoxfan
08-13-2009, 03:41 AM
True... But damnit i'm sick of these west coast games. Not because of any sort of west coast curse or **** like that. But these are some late games :angry:.
I can't even sleep right now because of this one.

Being a night person, I love the west coast starts. That is until the game ends because we usually lose. It's not really a coincidence that west coast teams usually have the greatest difference in home/road records. They have such an advantage when they're playing at home but then they're at a gigantic disadvantage when they're on the road.

Hopefully the Red Sox can help us out tomorrow afternoon.

pudge
08-13-2009, 03:49 AM
There were a lot of pinch hitting opportunities tonight. My thought is Ozzie just felt it more important to give Dye, Getz and Konerko two full days off.

Nix actually wasn't horrible tonight. He had that great at bat to draw the walk in extras, but Pods and Beckham struck out.

If Getz isn't hurt, I can't imagine Dye or Konerko don't get a PH shot for Nix in a couple of prime chances.

WhiteSox1989
08-13-2009, 07:17 AM
I refuse to read all of this.

But the Sox are going to take AT LEAST two in Oakland. Mark my words. Enough of this garbage about them not playing well against the A's.

Tough game and loss, but anyway Go Sox.

Everyone have a good day! :smile:

wassagstdu
08-13-2009, 07:20 AM
He was trying to get a big lead so he could score on a wild pitch/passed ball. After all, Seattle had two of each in this game.

Didn't see it, but I imagine the 3rd baseman was far from the bag on the shift for Thome. Good play by the Ms.

PeoriaSoxFan
08-13-2009, 08:01 AM
Well, we have now scored in only 5 or our last 41 innings. Plus, we are now a scant one game over .500 again. This would have been a beautiful game, had the outcome gone the other way. Some many bad bounces, squandered chances......and Pods getting picked off 3rd!!!! Seriously, what the hell was that??? How can you get picked off of 3rd in that situation or any situation, for that matter. As great as he has played, he gets picked off way too much. When is the last time you saw anyone picked off of 3rd, even in a little league game? Pena is also in my doghouse as he gave up the game winning hit in 2 games this series. He looks like a poor man's Dotel to me. So many slumping players on this team, yet here we sit still two games out. Detroit has KC this weekend, so it is high time we turned it up a notch.

Red Barchetta
08-13-2009, 08:27 AM
Everyone is helping us stay in this thing except our own team. 2 out 3 is a must at this point. :angry:

UofCSoxFan
08-13-2009, 09:12 AM
Why did Konerko and/or Dye not get a pinch hit at bat in that game? We had countless opportunities with Kotsay or Nix, or even Pods up with guys in scoring position. We have guys that are paid to drive in runs just sitting there. I know Ozzie wanted to give PK and Dye a full day off but one pinch hit at bat wouldn't kill them. With Dye, have him pinch hit and put Wise in for him to run if you're so worried.

Leaving AJ to run at 2nd was very dumb too....even if we ended up popping up anyway. I love Ozzie, but these are the in game examples people can easily point to that say Ozzie gets outmanaged a ton. I think his out of game stuff makes up for his shortcomigs in game...but come on...this is basic stuff.

SoxGirl4Life
08-13-2009, 09:12 AM
It was my fault. I turned it off after there were 2 out in the 14th inning. I thought for sure we'd pull it out.

I'm sorry

beasly213
08-13-2009, 09:17 AM
So glad we got Rios to boost the lineup. :tongue:

Seriously though this is what I have come to expect from this team. A .500 team or around there. Like I said in another post as long as the Sox come home from this trip 1 game back I would be happy and that can still happen.

Of course I want the Sox to be in first place but it is looking right now that the last two weekend series' of the year against the Tigers are going to be huge...

UofCSoxFan
08-13-2009, 09:27 AM
So glad we got Rios to boost the lineup. :tongue:


I know this was tongue in cheek but its one game and yes he was only 1 for 5 but the 1 hit was a big hit that moved pods to third...should have helped win the game.

He was robbed of a second hit that would have been respectable 2 for 6. He also was robbed of an RBI sack fly by Ichiro.

He'll help out a lot...whether he's worth 12 mil a year remains to be seen but Rios is a huge upgrade.

jabrch
08-13-2009, 09:42 AM
What an awesome game if you like pitching... Results obviously aren't what we wanted - but the pitching (starting and relief) was awesome. Someone was due to score eventually.

Woofer
08-13-2009, 09:44 AM
This mornings game was a killer. Way too many scoring chances were blown. It just proves how hard it is to win in extra innings on the road. The home team has three more outs to work with, they always have next inning to win, while the away team can lose on any given pitch with the home team up. The thing I'm really mad about besides the Sox losing is that I force myself to stay up to watch that crap, and then can't fall asleep. I am a zombie today.

beasly213
08-13-2009, 10:24 AM
I know this was tongue in cheek but its one game and yes he was only 1 for 5 but the 1 hit was a big hit that moved pods to third...should have helped win the game.

He was robbed of a second hit that would have been respectable 2 for 6. He also was robbed of an RBI sack fly by Ichiro.

He'll help out a lot...whether he's worth 12 mil a year remains to be seen but Rios is a huge upgrade.

....Right...which is why it was in teal....:scratch:

kaufsox
08-13-2009, 10:26 AM
The Chat room was rocking last night. I'm so glad it's showing signs of life again. I wish I could be on Friday night:(:

Rohan
08-13-2009, 10:39 AM
....Right...which is why it was in teal....:scratch:

You used double sarcasm... When you use double sarcasm it should be untealed :wink:

voodoochile
08-13-2009, 10:45 AM
Agree. When we are struggling against him as we were today, you got to send him. Hoping that Nix beats the throw isn't the only thing you're banking on there. There's a chance Ichiro bobbles it, throws it offline, overthrows it, or the catcher makes a poor tag or block at the plate. Also. Nix was safe. He touched home barely before the tag was applied, but the ump is never going to call it in when the ball beats him by that much.

No, he was not safe. The replays clearly showed he was out.

I actually blame Cox for the Pods pickoff as much as I blame Pods. When the 3B breaks toward the bag, Cox has to warn Pods.

veeter
08-13-2009, 10:54 AM
Signature play describe this one:

Scotty Pods picked off at 3B.


Him and Alexei doing heavy battle for biggest moron on this team.Couldn't agree more. Pods played a huge role in this one. Struck out with first and third with no outs. Would-be go-ahead double called foul, in very same at-bat. Gets picked off third with Thome at the dish. Pods and Alexei can kill you or help you, in the blink of an eye. As weird as this sounds, I feel a great run coming from this team very soon.

voodoochile
08-13-2009, 11:03 AM
Couldn't agree more. Pods played a huge role in this one. Struck out with first and third with no outs. Would-be go-ahead double called foul, in very same at-bat. Gets picked off third with Thome at the dish. Pods and Alexei can kill you or help you, in the blink of an eye. As weird as this sounds, I feel a great run coming from this team very soon.

If his would be double had been called fair would you still be upset? :scratch:

kittle42
08-13-2009, 11:16 AM
Don't worry about these games against teams like the Indians, Mariners (yes, I know they;re not all bad), and A's...when we hit Boston and NY for 7 games, we'll go 6-1! Of course, then we'll get swept by the Twins.

mcfish
08-13-2009, 11:17 AM
Thank God for the day off. Can't believe I wasted hours watching this. Great job Pods.There were so many opportunities squandered in the game on both sides. To pick on only Pods is unfair.

VeeckAsInWreck
08-13-2009, 11:17 AM
I'm not too mad about last night. Only because the Tigers have been doing their share of not wanting to win this division either.

I need to go get some of that 5 hour energy stuff now. :sleep:

Madvora
08-13-2009, 11:17 AM
I actually blame Cox for the Pods pickoff as much as I blame Pods. When the 3B breaks toward the bag, Cox has to warn Pods.
You could see Cox yelling "BACK!" at Pods, but I guess it wasn't early enough.

PhillipsBubba
08-13-2009, 11:18 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen...the dumbest team in baseball...YOUR Chicago White Sox

Domeshot17
08-13-2009, 11:20 AM
I don't know how anyone can say this was a great game. Maybe the pitching battle for 8 innings was great, but I saw a mistake filled game for the last 6 or 7 innings with plenty mixed in the first half of the game as well. The bottom line is when you are battling for a playoff spot, and the team ahead of you starts to slide, you should be able to gain more ground then we have.

This team needs to thank the baseball gods we haven't been buried already. If we played in a decent division we would long be out of it. The Mariners have a better record, maybe a better team than us, and had to sell off parts.

If we do not make the playoffs, in this dog crap division, with the roster we have, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

angiew
08-13-2009, 11:23 AM
It aggravates the **** out of me that we keep losing when the Tigers are too. I mean it's nice that we aren't losing ground but it REALLY sucks that we aren't gaining any! UGH!

ike from nj
08-13-2009, 11:27 AM
Over the last 2 games, our staff has allowed 2 runs in 23 innings...
mediocre teams always feature good ptiching/bad hitting or good hitting/bad pitching combinations. that's why they have mediocre records

kittle42
08-13-2009, 11:36 AM
It's a flawed .500 team - what does everyone expect?

veeter
08-13-2009, 11:55 AM
If his would be double had been called fair would you still be upset? :scratch:Of course not. I guess I was just pointing out how much Scotty impacted the game last night. I really like the guy. But for every great thing he does, something strange or a mental error follows.

veeter
08-13-2009, 11:55 AM
It's a flawed .500 team - what does everyone expect?Overcoming the flaws and winning the World Series.

slavko
08-13-2009, 11:57 AM
We have a winner!!!

Plus Pena..........is enough to make you want to see more of Linebrink.

He didn't look bad, I liked the way he was throwing until he tweaked his back. He may be useful again.

Is Gordon vulnerable to breaking balls suddenly? Last few games he is struggling and tonite he really looked hapless vs breaking balls. I knew it was too good to last all season,but if he has a hole in his swing suddlenly, our offense goes flat. Lately, we go as Gordon goes.

Somebody saw something and figured out how to pitch to him. Now he has to adjust. Part of becoming a major leaguer.

Then the second it looks like the catcher has the ball break towards 3rd base in FAIR territory. Scott has to read the plane of the pitch and know that the ball is not going to bounce, so he should stop creeping forward and actually, um return to 3rd base. The responsibility is all on the runner to know and execute this. This is stuff that is taught by age 11.

The pickoff is all Scott's fault, and ultimately it cost us the game.

He waited too long to get back, for no reason, no question. Cox has to share the blame. Then he dove five feet from the bag and started swimming on dirt. Cost us the game? Maybe. In truth, Seattle biffed up opportunities too and hit some atom balls that could have changed the game.

Un-un-un-un-un-fire Greg Walker.

ode to veeck
08-13-2009, 01:07 PM
Seattle is a tough team on the rise, they have hardly lost a series in the last couple of months. Too bad we couldn't pull it out last night, but we should take down Oakland after the pitching staff gets a well deserved rest.

Lip Man 1
08-13-2009, 01:34 PM
If the Mariners finish over .500 for the year, Wakamatsu (former Sox catcher by the way...) should be Manager of the Year.

They were a disaster last year and he's got them turned around with FAR less talent than a number of other clubs. Including the White Sox as presently constructed.

Lip

october23sp
08-13-2009, 01:37 PM
If the Mariners finish over .500 for the year, Wakamatsu (former Sox catcher by the way...) should be Manager of the Year.

They were a disaster last year and he's got them turned around with FAR less talent than a number of other clubs. Including the White Sox as presently constructed.

Lip

I think he already has a pretty good shot. Or Griffey gets teamate of the year.

Pear-Zin-Ski
08-13-2009, 01:50 PM
From a baseball fan standpoint it was a very neat game to watch. Wish we could've come out on top, but honesly we needed ONE person to step up with the bat and no one did. Shouldn't have tried to score on Ichiro in the 7th and Pods royally ****ed us in the 10th not to mention a bases loaded opportunity somewhere else in the game (too tired to remember!)

When we have our hottest guy (Beck) go into a slump, what else do you expect? It seems like when he hits, he lights a fire under everyone else's ass. Hopefully the youngin' can figure it out. Maybe a day off will do wonders for everyone...who knows....

On to the Bay Area!

TDog
08-13-2009, 02:20 PM
Is Gordon vulnerable to breaking balls suddenly? Last few games he is struggling and tonite he really looked hapless vs breaking balls. I knew it was too good to last all season,but if he has a hole in his swing suddlenly, our offense goes flat. Lately, we go as Gordon goes.

I don't want to say I've have been waiting for or even expecting a Beckham slump because that sounds negative. But I have been fearing a Beckham slump as pitchers adjust to him. Everyone slumps, particularly young players who begin to strike fear into the opposition and demand adjustment. Being a solid major league hitter means responding to the pitchers' adjustments.

When the Sox put runners on first and third with no one out in the scoreless seventh last night, I felt the inning was over after Podsednik struck out. The doubleplay felt inevitable, similar to the way people expect a doubleplay whenever Konerko comes up with a runner on first and less than two outs. Sunday's game was lost (to a lesser extent than Wednesday's game) because after the Indians took a 4-3 lead in the fifth and the Sox put runners on first and second with one out in the bottom of the inning, Beckham ended the inning by hitting into a doubleplay. The bullpen failed to hold the Indians at 4, but the score affects bullpen decisions, and I felt at the time that at bat might make the difference in the game.

Ending the seventh-inning threat Wednesday night was more glaring. Then failing to sacrifice in the 10th before striking out compounded the failure. One of the reasons Beckham is supposed to be a good No. 2 hitter is that he can bunt (bunting being something Guillen asks his No. 2 hitter to do.) And certainly if you aren't hitting, moving runners is the least you can do. I wasn't enthusiastic about Beckham hitting No. 2 because I thought it would hasten his eventual slump, but lumping after moving up in the order might be just coincidental.

Of course, there is plenty of blame to go around if you want to affix blame for the White Sox not scoring last night. Most huge was Podsednik being picked off at third base with one out in the 10th after Rios singled after Beckham failed to sacrifice before striking out. It rather makes Kotsay and Nix failing to get Pierzynski in from second after Ramirez's sacrifice seem inconsequential.

When you look at the lost opportunities, it is amazing the Sox didn't score last night. But it could be said that it is amazing it took the Mariners so long to score the only run of the game.

This is not a mediocre White Sox team. It has come a long way since Betemit was backing up Fields at third and Anderson and Wise shared starting centerfield duties -- since both Contreras and Colon were in the starting rotation (although the rotation currently includes a game that starts from the bullpen). This isn't a juggernaut team, but if there are any in the league this year, the White Sox have beaten up on them. They even took two of three from the Dodgers.

This is a good team in a season when there aren't any great teams in baseball. I believe the best White Sox baseball is yet to come.

Foulke You
08-13-2009, 02:21 PM
Tough loss last night. I stayed up for the whole debacle. It did seem like every bounce, call, and break was going the M's way all night. Pods shot down the line looked fair, Rios getting called out on a swing where he barely flexed his bat, the ball skipping off the mound twice right to various Mariners defenders for convenient double plays, Kotsay absolutely murdering a baseball that would be long gone in a lot of parks, Beltre making a ridiculously amazing put out of a Pods bunt, etc. etc. The only break the Sox seemed to catch last night was the Kotsay caught line drive into a double play.

On the plus side, Mark Buehrle was back to being Mark Buehrle. The bullpen did a great job. Thornton was awesome, Jenks seems to have put the health issues and shaky outings behind him, and Linebrink has now had back to back scoreless outings. I think Tony Pena will be ok. He has been used a ton lately so perhaps fatigue is taking a toll. On a different note, I was a bit surprised that Ozzie didn't have Randy Williams getting loose knowing that Griffey was on the M's bench. Griffey cannot hit lefties at all anymore and Wakamatsu might not have pinch hit in that situation if he saw the lefty getting loose. Oh well, spilled milk!

illinifan1368
08-13-2009, 02:27 PM
Tough loss last night. I stayed up for the whole debacle. It did seem like every bounce, call, and break was going the M's way all night. Pods shot down the line looked fair, Rios getting called out on a swing where he barely flexed his bat, the ball skipping off the mound twice right to various Mariners defenders for convenient double plays, Kotsay absolutely murdering a baseball that would be long gone in a lot of parks, Beltre making a ridiculously amazing put out of a Pods bunt, etc. etc. The only break the Sox seemed to catch last night was the Kotsay caught line drive into a double play.

On the plus side, Mark Buehrle was back to being Mark Buehrle. The bullpen did a great job. Thornton was awesome, Jenks seems to have put the health issues and shaky outings behind him, and Linebrink has now had back to back scoreless outings. I think Tony Pena will be ok. He has been used a ton lately so perhaps fatigue is taking a toll. On a different note, I was a bit surprised that Ozzie didn't have Randy Williams getting loose knowing that Griffey was on the M's bench. Griffey cannot hit lefties at all anymore and Wakamatsu might not have pinch hit in that situation if he saw the lefty getting loose. Oh well, spilled milk!
I'm sure Ozzie was a bit surprised that Pena was dumb enough to walk their catcher when Grif was standing in the on-deck circle.

Hitmen77
08-13-2009, 03:26 PM
This will be the game to remember if we finish 1 game out. Pathetic. The TBGR title says it all - "refuse to win." In the last 26 innings our only runs came from Alexei's HR. First time in 34 years the Sox have been shutout for 14 innings in a game.

This is not a playoff quality team. Anyone who still thinks it is should layoff the koolaid.

...now Verlander will drop us 2.5 back and on to Oakland where we usually play extra crappy. I can hardly wait to see how the Sox give away games this weekend.:angry:

kittle42
08-13-2009, 03:27 PM
This will be the game to remember if we finish 1 game out. Pathetic. The TBGR title says it all - "refuse to win." In the last 26 innings our only runs came from Alexei's HR. First time in 34 years the Sox have been shutout for 14 innings in a game.

This is not a playoff quality team. Anyone who still thinks it is should layoff the koolaid.

I will say this: as agonizing as this season is, I'd rather be .500 and 2 games out than be .500 and 10 games out. At least the games still matter, whether or not the Sox can actually win them. So thanks, sucky AL Central, whose teams can beat only the White Sox!

Marqhead
08-13-2009, 03:39 PM
I will say this: as agonizing as this season is, I'd rather be .500 and 2 games out than be .500 and 10 games out. At least the games still matter, whether or not the Sox can actually win them. So thanks, sucky AL Central, whose teams can beat only the White Sox!

I will always take a crappy division race over no division race.

Everyone: We know this is a mediocre team, no one is saying they are world beaters. Stop pointing out that the Sox suck, we already know. People are staying optimistic and still expecting more out of this team because they are in a division race!

asindc
08-13-2009, 03:59 PM
I will always take a crappy division race over no division race.

Everyone: We know this is a mediocre team, no one is saying they are world beaters. Stop pointing out that the Sox suck, we already know. People are staying optimistic and still expecting more out of this team because they are in a division race!

QFT. Well said.

TDog
08-13-2009, 04:32 PM
This will be the game to remember if we finish 1 game out. Pathetic. The TBGR title says it all - "refuse to win." In the last 26 innings our only runs came from Alexei's HR. First time in 34 years the Sox have been shutout for 14 innings in a game.

This is not a playoff quality team. Anyone who still thinks it is should layoff the koolaid.

...now Verlander will drop us 2.5 back and on to Oakland where we usually play extra crappy. I can hardly wait to see how the Sox give away games this weekend.:angry:

Of course, if the Sox finish one game up, we will look back at Tuesday's game. It's a long season. Every team loses games they should have won.

Last year when I went to see the Sox play in Oakland, they lost the Friday night game in the ninth, but they won the next two games. Last year when I saw the Sox sweep the Giants across the Bay, the Sox moved into first place. The A's have been playing good ball lately,and they are much more a running team than they have been in the past, but I see no reason for pessimism.

kufram
08-13-2009, 04:41 PM
I will always take a crappy division race over no division race.

Everyone: We know this is a mediocre team, no one is saying they are world beaters. Stop pointing out that the Sox suck, we already know. People are staying optimistic and still expecting more out of this team because they are in a division race!
I agree, why watch the games if they make one miserable? Just give the season a miss and be happier. The bad play at times is surprising but until I can do better I'll save the name calling. I remember Marriotti in 2005 on Around The Horn joyfully saying how the Sox were choking bigtime and would'nt even win their division let alone the WS. A few weeks later everybody who stuck with the team felt pretty good for a long time. No, that doesn't mean I deliriously pick the Sox to win the Series this year BUT as long as they are in the race (and can only play better.... can't play no worse) AND have added seriously to the team of late, I'm going to hang in there. Still hurts when things go south, though, I'll admit. I choose to remember that 3/4 of the infield is first-year in the majors at their position.

Lip Man 1
08-13-2009, 05:11 PM
TDog says: "This is not a mediocre White Sox team."

Well their actions and their record speak otherwise. Sometimes no matter what you do or don't do, the team just doesn't "get it." It doesn't jell, click, whatever cliche you want to trot out.

This looks like one of those years.

Lip

UofCSoxFan
08-13-2009, 05:51 PM
TDog says: "This is not a mediocre White Sox team."

Well their actions and their record speak otherwise. Sometimes no matter what you do or don't do, the team just doesn't "get it." It doesn't jell, click, whatever cliche you want to trot out.

This looks like one of those years.

Lip

This could be the case but I'd like to see what we look like when Peavy is on the mound and when we have a lineup with RIOS in CF, Dye in Right, and Quintin or Pods in LF (I highly doubt both play at the same time anymore).

The good thing is Detroit could have buried us the past week and didn't. This likely will come down to our last two series with them. If we get in the playoffs, our starting rotation and a lineup that CAN get hot, make us very dangerous in the playoffs. That being said, or lack of defense, in particular the inability to prevent any walk from turning into a double or triple with steals, will be our downfall, I fear.

JB98
08-13-2009, 06:07 PM
There are basically three straws that we have to clutch at as Sox fans.

1. The Tigers aren't very good.
2. The Twins aren't very good.
3. The additions of Peavy and Rios could change the dynamic here.

I'm not fond of this 2009 team, and I haven't liked them much all year. But they do have a chance to get to the playoffs because of those three factors.