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Marqhead
08-12-2009, 09:09 PM
Some guy just threw a full beer on Victorino as he was making a catch.

Not only are they getting rocked, but they have the jackasses in the bleachers getting prime time exposure. I'm sure this will make big-time news in the Tribune sports section tomorrow.

MeteorsSox4367
08-12-2009, 09:10 PM
Best fans in baseball. You must have been seeing things.

aryzner
08-12-2009, 09:10 PM
I also just saw that. Classy.

However I have now switched my TV to another team... :D:

chisoxjtrain
08-12-2009, 09:11 PM
Not only that, but it looked like he was trying to talk **** to Victorino afterward. What an asshat.

MarkZ35
08-12-2009, 09:13 PM
Garbage fans. They should be throwing the beer on the Cubs players.

Woofer
08-12-2009, 09:13 PM
The guy was obviously a Sox fan. No Cub fan would ever do something so classless.

Marqhead
08-12-2009, 09:14 PM
Thankfully Victorino is having some laughs about it in the dugout with Moyer.

soxfan21
08-12-2009, 09:14 PM
Saw that as well a few minutes ago, what an idiot. Really makes the fanbase look good. I also liked how he was laughing as he was being escorted out. Again, a good representation of most of the cubs fanbase.

1908<2005
08-12-2009, 09:15 PM
Saw that as well a few minutes ago, what an idiot. Really makes the fanbase look good. I also liked how he was laughing as he was being escorted out. Again, a good representation of most of the cubs fanbase.

they actually threw the wrong guy out if you saw the replay. The dude with the tight, white shirt tossed the beer and hid.

SoxandtheCityTee
08-12-2009, 09:18 PM
Jerk fan threw the beer AND the cup at Victorino.

The men escorting him out seemed very determined. :cool:

Marqhead
08-12-2009, 09:19 PM
they actually threw the wrong guy out if you saw the replay. The dude with the tight, white shirt tossed the beer and hid.

You sure? I thought they got the right guy. When they had him on the ground some Phillies fan was throwing crap at him.

1908<2005
08-12-2009, 09:21 PM
You sure? I thought they got the right guy. When they had him on the ground some Phillies fan was throwing crap at him.

I'm watching on WGN and they got the wrong guy for sure.

EDIT:
PTIShow Beer throws should be reviewable. Tape indicates that security threw out the wrong perp. Kid in white shirt to left was culprit.

(PTI Twitter)

SoxandtheCityTee
08-12-2009, 09:22 PM
they actually threw the wrong guy out if you saw the replay. The dude with the tight, white shirt tossed the beer and hid.


You're right! He has his sunglasses hooked on the front of his shirt.

Marqhead
08-12-2009, 09:24 PM
I'm watching on WGN and they got the wrong guy for sure.

EDIT:
PTIShow Beer throws should be reviewable. Tape indicates that security threw out the wrong perp. Kid in white shirt to left was culprit.

(PTI Twitter)

That's unfortunate. Hopefully it gets sorted out, but I wouldn't count on it.

Dick Allen
08-12-2009, 09:26 PM
I TIVO'd it, and it did look like they got the wrong guy. The idiot who did get thrown out was probably so drunk that he figured they were doing it just on general principle.

DrCrawdad
08-12-2009, 09:36 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/espnradiostations/i/chicago/airstaff/airstaff_levine250.jpg
'Déclassé Sox fans on the attack at Wrigley!'

http://imgsrv.670thescore.com/image/DbLiteGraphic/200906/4593383.jpg?1250054235
'Worse things happen at The Cell!'

pythons007
08-12-2009, 09:37 PM
This is something that is expected from Cub fans. It will be swept under the rug and nothing will come of it, as usual. Brendly said that isn't typical of the fan base, which is complete bull****. I absolutely hate their announcers, its like fingernails on a chalkboard.

oeo
08-12-2009, 09:53 PM
This is something that is expected from Cub fans. It will be swept under the rug and nothing will come of it, as usual. Brendly said that isn't typical of the fan base, which is complete bull****. I absolutely hate their announcers, its like fingernails on a chalkboard.

Brenly can be okay. Kasper, OTOH, has to be the lamest, least knowledgeable play-by-play guy in professional baseball. Not only that, he has a terrible broadcasting voice.

doublem23
08-12-2009, 09:56 PM
Cub Fans Welcome Champs to Chicago, Shower them with Gifts

:cubune

thomas35forever
08-12-2009, 09:58 PM
Here's the video. What a douche.
9B1K2OdUxHM

Marqhead
08-12-2009, 09:59 PM
Cub Fans Welcome Champs to Chicago, Shower them with Gifts

:cubune


Well played Doub. I guess now is as good a time as any, who came up with that pic? It is absolutely money, and one of my favorites on the site.

soxfanreggie
08-12-2009, 10:00 PM
That is just classless behavior. I had no idea what happened until I saw Cub fan friends ranting about how big of idiots there were in the OF at the game today.

WhiteSox1989
08-12-2009, 10:08 PM
Embarrassing.

DumpJerry
08-12-2009, 10:24 PM
So, I posted this incident at Facebook and a Cub fan is jumping on me for stereotyping Cub fans.......

If the shoe fits.....

WhiteSox1989
08-12-2009, 10:29 PM
So, I posted this incident at Facebook and a Cub fan is jumping on me for stereotyping Cub fans.......

If the shoe fits.....
I haven't even posted anything and my Cub fan friends are posting links to article on how the father and son attacked the coach for KC.

Viva Medias B's
08-12-2009, 10:37 PM
Of course a Sox fan did it; we set the precedent for this with Al Smith in Game 2 of the 1959 World Series. Seriously, Smith's case was an accident as a fan going for a home run ball accidently knocked his beer off the top of the wall onto Smith. Only a Cub fan would throw away a beer, which costs more money there than a six pack at a convenience store would, in that fashion.

mrfourni
08-12-2009, 10:38 PM
I'm not usually a tribune conspiracy theorist but I bet this story will be accomompanied by the picture of the guy taking a beer shower at Comiskey

DumpJerry
08-12-2009, 10:44 PM
I haven't even posted anything and my Cub fan friends are posting links to article on how the father and son attacked the coach for KC.
Ranger posted it, too. With a link to Deadspin (http://deadspin.com/5336293/stay-classy-cubs-fans).

cnw8052
08-12-2009, 10:46 PM
Not that it matters, but I think the opposite. I can't stand Brenly.

Brenly can be okay. Kasper, OTOH, has to be the lamest, least knowledgeable play-by-play guy in professional baseball. Not only that, he has a terrible broadcasting voice.

jabrch
08-12-2009, 10:54 PM
Here's the video. What a douche.
9B1K2OdUxHM

That's disgusting.

(How do you put a youtube video in a post?)

kittle42
08-12-2009, 11:03 PM
Be prepared for tons of Ligue mentions from your idiot Cub fan friends!

DumpJerry
08-12-2009, 11:20 PM
Be prepared for tons of Ligue mentions from your idiot Cub fan friends!
They need to stop living in the past.


Oh wait, that is what they tell us.:tongue:

doublem23
08-12-2009, 11:28 PM
(How do you put a youtube video in a post?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B1K2OdUxHM

Take the red part of the video's URL and copy and paste it into the post surrounded by a [ youtube ] [ /youtube ] (take out the spaces to make it work). Note though, if the publisher has disabled embedding, it won't play on our boards.

JohnnyInnsbrook
08-12-2009, 11:34 PM
This might be a dumb question but did that run score? Shouldn't there have been a fan interference call?

chisox616
08-13-2009, 12:17 AM
This might be a dumb question but did that run score? Shouldn't there have been a fan interference call?

That ball was way too deep for Victorino to have a chance at the plate. It scores either way...but I think he still threw it, right?

RadioheadRocks
08-13-2009, 01:06 AM
Be prepared for tons of Ligue mentions from your idiot Cub fan friends!

They need to stop living in the past.


Oh wait, that is what they tell us.:tongue:

Cub fans are the reigning champs in "do as I say, not as I do".

Zisk77
08-13-2009, 01:21 AM
Just passionate fans.

WhiteSox5187
08-13-2009, 01:28 AM
Be prepared for tons of Ligue mentions from your idiot Cub fan friends!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Ligues Cub fans who were drinking all day at Wrigley and then came to the Cell?

KnightSox
08-13-2009, 01:28 AM
This is a case of one idiot making everyone else look bad, it happens.

What kills me is when a majority of them throw trash on the field if a call does not go their way.

JB98
08-13-2009, 02:00 AM
Here's my question, could the umpires have called the batter out if Victorino had dropped the ball as a result of the ******* throwing a beer on him?

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:32 AM
Here's my question, could the umpires have called the batter out if Victorino had dropped the ball as a result of the ******* throwing a beer on him?

Absolutely.

Should a spectator reach out on the playing field side of such fence, railing or rope, and plainly prevent the fielder from catching the ball, then the batsman should be called out for the spectator’s interference. Example: Runner on third base, one out and a batter hits a fly ball deep to the outfield (fair or foul). Spectator clearly interferes with the outfielder attempting to catch the fly ball. Umpire calls the batter out for spectator interference. Ball is dead at the time of the call. Umpire decides that because of the distance the ball was hit, the runner on third base would have scored after the catch if the fielder had caught the ball which was interfered with, therefore, the runner is permitted to score.

The Critic
08-13-2009, 02:47 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Ligues Cub fans who were drinking all day at Wrigley and then came to the Cell?
No, I think that was the other guy (Eric Dybas) who went after Laz Diaz (BAD idea, by the way).

VenturaFan23
08-13-2009, 06:08 AM
Just passionate fans.

Exactly. Chris Berman said so. :rolleyes:

WhiteSox1989
08-13-2009, 06:10 AM
They need to stop living in the past.


Oh wait, that is what they tell us.:tongue:

That's what I don't get it. The DAY after Buehrle's perfect game my co-worker told me to stop living in the past when I was talking about it.:redneck

If he brings this up at all today I may be tempted to throw paper clips at him or..something.

PorkChopExpress
08-13-2009, 07:21 AM
This is a case of one idiot making everyone else look bad, it happens.

What kills me is when a majority of them throw trash on the field if a call does not go their way.

Actually, it looled like more than one idiot, and a bunch of idiots smiling and laughing at it. It's all the Phillies' fault. If they hadn't run up the score, they wouldn't have given the fans so much extra time to imbibe alcoholic beverages.

DumpJerry
08-13-2009, 07:36 AM
That's what I don't get it. The DAY after Buehrle's perfect game my co-worker told me to stop living in the past when I was talking about it.:redneck

If he brings this up at all today I may be tempted to throw paper clips at him or..something.
It's how they deal with envy, jealously, feeling inferior, being irrelevant, etc., etc....

spawn
08-13-2009, 07:57 AM
After watching the replay, they may have thrown out the wrong guy, but the guy that was thrown out looked like he enjoyed it and was talking **** to Victorino. IMO, he deserved to get his ass thrown out as well. Despicable. What if the cup hits Victorino as he's trying to make the catch, and the ball instead hits him in he face? Absolutely classless.

DumpJerry
08-13-2009, 08:03 AM
I'm waiting for a Cub apologist to post that picture of the beer accidentally being spilled on the Dodgers' outfielder's head during the 1959 World Series as the fan was reaching for a home run ball.......

Dibbs
08-13-2009, 08:19 AM
So did this make the covers at the newspapers? I guarantee it would be a HUGE story if this happened at U.S. Cellular.

TommyJohn
08-13-2009, 08:22 AM
That's what I don't get it. The DAY after Buehrle's perfect game my co-worker told me to stop living in the past when I was talking about it.:redneck

Are some fans that freaking stupid?????? By their rules you shouldn't talk about anything that happened "yesterday." So if the Cubbies ever reach the Holy Grail and win the World Series, they will abide by their self-imposed snobbery and and not talk about it, right?

Then again, they do abide by that rule sometimes. When was the last time you heard a Cub fan talking about Sammy Sosa?

eriqjaffe
08-13-2009, 08:32 AM
I'm waiting for a Cub apologist to post that picture of the beer accidentally being spilled on the Dodgers' outfielder's head during the 1959 World Series as the fan was reaching for a home run ball.......That wasn't a Dodger outfielder, it was Sox centerfielder Al Smith.

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2005/10/18/K3SdIFog.jpg

RedHeadPaleHoser
08-13-2009, 08:38 AM
Then again, they do abide by that rule sometimes. When was the last time you heard a Cub fan talking about Sammy Sosa?

Cub fans will never talk about their black eyes. Convenient amnesia sets in when you remind them of all the ball sucking they did for that guy. But they have no qualms about a 20 K performance from 10 years ago. They are their own hypocrites.

Mendoza Line
08-13-2009, 08:56 AM
Cub fans will never talk about their black eyes. Convenient amnesia sets in when you remind them of all the ball sucking they did for that guy. But they have no qualms about a 20 K performance from 10 years ago. They are their own hypocrites.

One of my Cub fan friends was trying to convince me how much more impressive the 20k game was because "all the Astros were on steroids." When I asked which ones, he couldn't remember any of the players' names and proceeded to change the subject.

The cup throwing incident will be glossed over and the story will change into one where the guy removed was actually the victim, and possibly the hero/martyr.

JohnnyInnsbrook
08-13-2009, 09:13 AM
That ball was way too deep for Victorino to have a chance at the plate. It scores either way...but I think he still threw it, right?


He caught it but hesitated because it looked like he didn't know what just happened. While it doesn't really mater I don't think the man at second should have advanced as Victorino could have easily gotten the ball into third.

beasly213
08-13-2009, 09:39 AM
One of my Cub fan friends was trying to convince me how much more impressive the 20k game was because "all the Astros were on steroids." When I asked which ones, he couldn't remember any of the players' names and proceeded to change the subject.

The cup throwing incident will be glossed over and the story will change into one where the guy removed was actually the victim, and possibly the hero/martyr.


It wasn't more impressive because it wasn't perfect. However I will give Wood this, that was the most dominate game ever thrown by a pitcher.

jabrch
08-13-2009, 10:10 AM
One of my Cub fan friends was trying to convince me how much more impressive the 20k game was because "all the Astros were on steroids." When I asked which ones, he couldn't remember any of the players' names and proceeded to change the subject.


I saw that game. It was impressive. It was a 1 hitter with no walks. Wood was as strong after 122 pitches as he was at the start.

The perfect game was awesome. But Wood was even more dominant than Buehrle.

twentywontowin
08-13-2009, 10:14 AM
I saw that game. It was impressive. It was a 1 hitter with no walks. Wood was as strong after 122 pitches as he was at the start.

The perfect game was awesome. But Wood was even more dominant than Buehrle.

It's hard to argue this one. To record 20 of your 27 outs by strikeout against a pro lineup is just plain domination.

SOXPHILE
08-13-2009, 10:23 AM
Textbook Example # 475(B) of why, since 1984 and going strong, I HATE Cubs fans, or should I say "Cubs Game Fans". People ask me "Why do you root for them to lose". That. Right there.

UofCSoxFan
08-13-2009, 10:32 AM
No, I think that was the other guy (Eric Dybas) who went after Laz Diaz (BAD idea, by the way).

This is correct...but the fact that these incidents happened either the same season or back to back years meant this wasn't a one time incident in the eyes of Cubs fans. Plus the Sox took severe steps to prevent this in the future (off duty cops as security, restricted lower level access...etc....). The Cubs will probably continue to employ people older than my grandma wearing floppy hats and khakis as their security force.

This beer throwing thing is probably the worst but Cubs fans have shown a much more consistent string of bad behavior. They started a brawl with the Dodgers bull pen and the Dodgers players were the villains in the media. They trash their own field like 5 times a year. They throw home run balls back all the time (more often this year than most b/c of their pitching). I'm looking forward to some Chad hitting Soriano in the back of the head and causing him to go on the DL. That may be the end of that tradition.

I love how the fat guy that as my buddy said, "looks like a Far Side Cartoon character" was acting tough afterwards and playing to the crowd, even though he didn't throw the beer. No wonder security tossed him.

The douche that did throw the beer was a stereotypical trendy cubs fan. Plain white t (but one that probably cost $50), eurotrash sunglasses, emo sweatband. The dude weighs like 130, Victoriano would tear him in half in a fair fight.

Cuck the Fubs
08-13-2009, 10:32 AM
I posted a link to the You Tube video on Facebook...this is the best reply so far...

"i knew as soon as this happened Sox fans would hold onto this and go with it, nothing better to do?"

Yup...just like they hold onto the assclowns that ran onto the field at the Cell years ago...

I guess it's do as I say, not as I do.

UofCSoxFan
08-13-2009, 10:33 AM
Textbook Example # 475(B) of why, since 1984 and going strong, I HATE Cubs fans, or should I say "Cubs Game Fans". People ask me "Why do you root for them to lose". That. Right there.

Exactly. My friends that are die hard Cubs fans and know the game I respect from a baseball standpoint. They hate the trendy Cubs fans more than we do to be honest.

SaltyPretzel
08-13-2009, 10:35 AM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/08/504x_cubs_fans_copy.jpg (http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/08/cubs_fans_copy.jpg)
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/08/wrj.jpg

SOXPHILE
08-13-2009, 10:40 AM
Quick, is that a snapshot of the bleachers at an MLB game, or of a frat party at (insert college here) ? Hmmm... spoiled, drunken douchbags wearing bandana's & sideways hats, with sunglasses clipped to the shirt (at night)...I...I can't really tell.....

VenturaFan23
08-13-2009, 10:41 AM
^ That's just like who was the actual "spitter" JFK conspiracy on Seinfeld. Classic. There's so many comments I can make about all those fans in the picture, but I'll keep them to myself.

october23sp
08-13-2009, 10:42 AM
Bunch of the coaches at football today were talking about this and they also saw the wrong guy was thrown out.

RadioheadRocks
08-13-2009, 10:47 AM
Cub fans will never talk about their black eyes. Convenient amnesia sets in when you remind them of all the ball sucking they did for that guy. But they have no qualms about a 20 K performance from 10 years ago. They are their own hypocrites.


Not to mention that 23-22 game vs. the Phillies thirty years ago (which they LOST) that they can't seem to shut up about.

october23sp
08-13-2009, 10:58 AM
Quick, is that a snapshot of the bleachers at an MLB game, or of a frat party at (insert college here) ? Hmmm... spoiled, drunken douchbags wearing bandana's & sideways hats, with sunglasses clipped to the shirt (at night)...I...I can't really tell.....

I wear my sunglasses at night...

veeter
08-13-2009, 10:58 AM
Thankfully Victorino is having some laughs about it in the dugout with Moyer.You mean, "former cub Jamie Moyer, former cub Matt Stairs, and everyone on the Phillies roster that will some day be cubs and then former cubs?"- Len Kasper.

Dibbs
08-13-2009, 11:05 AM
Quick, is that a snapshot of the bleachers at an MLB game, or of a frat party at (insert college here) ? Hmmm... spoiled, drunken douchbags wearing bandana's & sideways hats, with sunglasses clipped to the shirt (at night)...I...I can't really tell.....

Don't forget the wrist band that idiot is wearing. :scratch: I simply do not understand how anyone could be a Cubs fan.

Lip Man 1
08-13-2009, 11:06 AM
U of C:

You forgot the fans running on to the field attacking Randy Myers and nearly attacking Bob Howry.

Lip

veeter
08-13-2009, 11:07 AM
I love how my favorite cubbie lover Sutcliffe, is nearly speechless. I can't stand that guy.

GoGoCrede
08-13-2009, 11:18 AM
I posted a link to the You Tube video on Facebook...this is the best reply so far...

"i knew as soon as this happened Sox fans would hold onto this and go with it, nothing better to do?"

Yup...just like they hold onto the assclowns that ran onto the field at the Cell years ago...

I guess it's do as I say, not as I do.

I just posted the link on my facebook. I'm curious to see the response I get.

kittle42
08-13-2009, 11:22 AM
Don't forget the wrist band that idiot is wearing. :scratch: I simply do not understand how anyone could be a Cubs fan.

Several of my friends who are Cub fans have finally admitted to me this past year that they can't stand the same things about their "fanbase" that we can't stand, but hey, once you've had lifelong allegiance, that's tough to ditch.

Stoky44
08-13-2009, 11:27 AM
If you rewatch the video, the guy who actually threw the beer was blaming the guy who was thrown out. Its really quick, but I find it hilarious.

Cuck the Fubs
08-13-2009, 11:32 AM
I just posted the link on my facebook. I'm curious to see the response I get.

We'll have to compare note later :D:

twentywontowin
08-13-2009, 11:39 AM
If you rewatch the video, the guy who actually threw the beer was blaming the guy who was thrown out. Its really quick, but I find it hilarious.

The funny part is that out of the entire crowd, it doesn't look like any of the crowd told security "Hey, that's the wrong guy, it was actually that guy".

Shows how much the fanbase really cares.

Cuck the Fubs
08-13-2009, 11:52 AM
The funny part is that out of the entire crowd, it doesn't look like any of the crowd told security "Hey, that's the wrong guy, it was actually that guy".

Shows how much the fanbase really cares.

Hey come on now...don't ya know they were all intently watching the game, that's why!

Lip Man 1
08-13-2009, 12:01 PM
The Sun-Times did their homework and got it right.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1715128,al-smith-beer-13.article

Lip

VenturaFan23
08-13-2009, 12:01 PM
I guess the guy with the bandana took time out from searching for One Eyed Willie's loot to take in a Cubs game.

RedHeadPaleHoser
08-13-2009, 12:03 PM
The guy in the yellow box creeps me out.

JC456
08-13-2009, 12:16 PM
The Sun-Times did their homework and got it right.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1715128,al-smith-beer-13.article

Lip

Notice the only picture is a White Sox player. Leave it to the Sun Times to change the focus off of the Cubs to the White Sox.

I'd never buy their paper anyway, but in this city this is normal behavior for the papers.

Lip Man 1
08-13-2009, 12:26 PM
JC:

At least on the web site they have pictures of the drunken idiot all over the place. Naturally I can't speak for the printed edition.

My point was the line where the writer emphasized 'iconic' and 'idiotic.'

I don't think your criticism is justified in this case.

Lip

cws05champ
08-13-2009, 12:31 PM
The guy in the yellow box creeps me out.

For some reason he looks guilty as hell.... he might as well be whistling.

Pear-Zin-Ski
08-13-2009, 12:41 PM
I'm already a Phils fan anyway so this just further distanced me from the northside. Loveable losers? When was the last time you enjoyed smelling like beer the rest of a long night out?

What if this spells the end of alcohol in the outfield at Wrigley? OH NOES!!!!!

VeeckAsInWreck
08-13-2009, 12:43 PM
What if this spells the end of alcohol in the outfield at Wrigley? OH NOES!!!!!

No way the Cubs kill that cash cow.

kittle42
08-13-2009, 12:56 PM
It really infuriates me to have to yet again defend Cub fans, but I love when people rip on the Cub fanbase for being drunkards. Yup, those beers at the Cell are just drinking themselves. EVERY fanbase has a bunch of drunks at the game. Yes, the Cubs market themselves on it, so it is worse from that perspective.

chisoxfanatic
08-13-2009, 01:05 PM
I saw that game. It was impressive. It was a 1 hitter with no walks. Wood was as strong after 122 pitches as he was at the start.

The perfect game was awesome. But Wood was even more dominant than Buehrle.
It's hard to argue this one. To record 20 of your 27 outs by strikeout against a pro lineup is just plain domination.
You guys are both drinking the same kool aid the Cubbie fans are. That particular lineup Wood faced could hardly be called a pro lineup. It was more like an AA lineup. That team had a collective batting average of .240 (including the 1 pinch-hitter they used). Buehrle faced the 3rd best offense in baseball. It's a no-brainer...case closed!
It really infuriates me to have to yet again defend Cub fans, but I love when people rip on the Cub fanbase for being drunkards. Yup, those beers at the Cell are just drinking themselves. EVERY fanbase has a bunch of drunks at the game. Yes, the Cubs market themselves on it, so it is worse from that perspective.
Well, the Sox fans are pretty much all watching the game. Cubs fans are getting drunk and not paying attention.

goon
08-13-2009, 01:12 PM
I genuinely feel embarrassed for the city.

areilly
08-13-2009, 01:13 PM
Well, the Sox fans are pretty much all watching the game. Cubs fans are getting drunk and not paying attention.

I can say with absolute certainty that neither I, nor any of my associates, nor any of my fellow WSI posters, have ever, EVER had too much to drink at a White Sox baseball game - especially not one played in the park now known as U.S. Cellular Field.

Never.

Never.


:gulp:

kittle42
08-13-2009, 01:15 PM
Well, the Sox fans are pretty much all watching the game. Cubs fans are getting drunk and not paying attention.

Spend the next game on the councourse and count the people paying no attention.

cws05champ
08-13-2009, 01:25 PM
Spend the next game on the councourse and count the people paying no attention.
Yes, but it's not 75% of the whole OF seating area not paying attention. It IS that way in the bleachers at Wrigley. Stereotypes get started for a reason and the asshat bandwagon Cubbie fan are just perpetuating it. I think a lot of us know that this is not representative of most true Cub fans. But the Cubs have an inordinate amount of fringe hanger ons, and **** like this comes along with how they market the Wrigley experience.

Pear-Zin-Ski
08-13-2009, 01:33 PM
Yes, but it's not 75% of the whole OF seating area not paying attention. It IS that way in the bleachers at Wrigley. Stereotypes get started for a reason and the asshat bandwagon Cubbie fan are just perpetuating it. I think a lot of us know that this is not representative of most true Cub fans. But the Cubs have an inordinate amount of fringe hanger ons, and **** like this comes along with how they market the Wrigley experience.

I am saying this with total Sox fan bias aside...the post above is 100% truth.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 01:33 PM
It really infuriates me to have to yet again defend Cub fans, but I love when people rip on the Cub fanbase for being drunkards. Yup, those beers at the Cell are just drinking themselves. EVERY fanbase has a bunch of drunks at the game. Yes, the Cubs market themselves on it, so it is worse from that perspective.

It's more than just the drinking. It's the littering the field when things don't go their way, the throwing home run balls back, the throwing about fifty other balls onto the field when Adam Dunn hits one out of the park, and the constant stream of offensive (racist, gay bashing, etc...)insults thrown at opposing outfielders (and sometimes Cub outfielders, too). The behavior of the people in those bleachers is shameful.

Dibbs
08-13-2009, 01:33 PM
I guess the guy with the bandana took time out from searching for One Eyed Willie's loot to take in a Cubs game.


LOL! That is exactly who I thought of when I saw that kid.

twentywontowin
08-13-2009, 01:34 PM
You guys are both drinking the same kool aid the Cubbie fans are. That particular lineup Wood faced could hardly be called a pro lineup. It was more like an AA lineup. That team had a collective batting average of .240 (including the 1 pinch-hitter they used). Buehrle faced the 3rd best offense in baseball. It's a no-brainer...case closed!


It's major league level talent regardles, whether it be the 1927 Yankees or the 2003 Tigers.

Hell, at ANY level of baseball, to strike out 20 batters is quite a feat.

A no hitter is special, and a perfect game is even more special because it requires a lot of luck behind you as well, but you don't necessarily have to have a super-dominating performance to get one like you would to have to fan the order 6 2/3 times.

As much as I love Buehrle, it's not a 20K game.

twentywontowin
08-13-2009, 01:36 PM
Yes, but it's not 75% of the whole OF seating area not paying attention. It IS that way in the bleachers at Wrigley. Stereotypes get started for a reason and the asshat bandwagon Cubbie fan are just perpetuating it. I think a lot of us know that this is not representative of most true Cub fans. But the Cubs have an inordinate amount of fringe hanger ons, and **** like this comes along with how they market the Wrigley experience.

Marketing case in point, there is a reason why the bleacher seats cost more than most of the other seats in the park, because they are marketing the experience, which we all know what the "bleacher bums" have been known for.

DSpivack
08-13-2009, 01:36 PM
It's more than just the drinking. It's the littering the field when things don't go their way, the throwing home run balls back, the throwing about fifty other balls onto the field when Adam Dunn hits one out of the park, and the constant stream of offensive (racist, gay bashing, etc...)insults thrown at opposing outfielders (and sometimes Cub outfielders, too). The behavior of the people in those bleachers is shameful.

Well, Sox fans do their fair share of that. Those t-shirts sell, and I've seen comments here time and time again.

FielderJones
08-13-2009, 01:37 PM
Bunch of the coaches at football today were talking about this and they also saw the wrong guy was thrown out.

So flubs security throws the wrong guy out. At least they threw somebody out which is more than the flubs defense can do.


From the comments on the Cubune article (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-13-cubs-phillies-chicago-aug13,0,3752707,comment-display-all.story) :tongue:

chisoxfanatic
08-13-2009, 01:41 PM
It's major league level talent regardles, whether it be the 1927 Yankees or the 2003 Tigers.

Hell, at ANY level of baseball, to strike out 20 batters is quite a feat.

A no hitter is special, and a perfect game is even more special because it requires a lot of luck behind you as well, but you don't necessarily have to have a super-dominating performance to get one like you would to have to fan the order 6 2/3 times.

As much as I love Buehrle, it's not a 20K game.
It's MORE dominating when you don't allow a single batter to reach base, which is what Buehrle did...especially against one of the best offenses in all of baseball.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 01:43 PM
Well, Sox fans do their fair share of that. Those t-shirts sell, and I've seen comments here time and time again.

That's true, and it's shameful, but those people are everywhere. On the other hand, that kind of behavior is something you can see/hear in abundance every day at Wrigley.

chisoxfanatic
08-13-2009, 01:44 PM
From the comments on the Cubune article (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-13-cubs-phillies-chicago-aug13,0,3752707,comment-display-all.story) :tongue:
Typical Cubs fan:


Throwing beer happens on a weekly basis in some ball park or other, and no one does anything but send the guy back through the turnstile. No one calls the cops, no one offers any mewling apologies to the player who gets soaked. Players aren't made of sugar that they risk melting, and their uniforms can be washed. Can we please stop crying about it?
rwilymz (08/13/2009, 11:32 AM )

PatK
08-13-2009, 01:45 PM
It really infuriates me to have to yet again defend Cub fans, but I love when people rip on the Cub fanbase for being drunkards. Yup, those beers at the Cell are just drinking themselves. EVERY fanbase has a bunch of drunks at the game. Yes, the Cubs market themselves on it, so it is worse from that perspective.

I can't recall anything being thrown at a player from the stands at The Cell.

mrfourni
08-13-2009, 01:49 PM
"If you think about how many years we've gone with no issues of any kind, including situations where we had our fans in some ways animated about our own players, or they weren't favorable towards them, [it's] an isolated instance,"


This is Crane Kenney's response to the situation. How much more has to happen in the bleachers before he realizes this isn't exactly an isolated incident?

I know ever since the Ligue embarrasment, White Sox security was stepped up dramatically. The Cubs not only allowed this to happen, but they allowed this guy to get away, and they're burying their heads in the sand saying they did all they could.

twentywontowin
08-13-2009, 01:49 PM
It's MORE dominating when you don't allow a single batter to reach base, which is what Buehrle did...especially against one of the best offenses in all of baseball.

It all depends on how you define dominating the lineup. When you're throwing up around 100mph, nasty late breaking movement, and making batters randomly swing at anything, that's dominance. While Buehrle was definitely on for the perfect game, he didn't dominate the lineup in the fashion that Wood did on the individual level.

chisoxfanatic
08-13-2009, 01:52 PM
It all depends on how you define dominating the lineup. When you're throwing up around 100mph, nasty late breaking movement, and making batters randomly swing at anything, that's dominance. While Buehrle was definitely on for the perfect game, he didn't dominate the lineup in the fashion that Wood did on the individual level.
You have to wonder if they were RANDOMLY swinging or if that's just them being the hitter they are when nearly half the lineup is hitting at or well below the Mendoza Line.

manders_01
08-13-2009, 01:54 PM
Yes, but it's not 75% of the whole OF seating area not paying attention. It IS that way in the bleachers at Wrigley. Stereotypes get started for a reason and the asshat bandwagon Cubbie fan are just perpetuating it. I think a lot of us know that this is not representative of most true Cub fans. But the Cubs have an inordinate amount of fringe hanger ons, and **** like this comes along with how they market the Wrigley experience.

Re: my current blog.

kittle42
08-13-2009, 02:02 PM
I can't recall anything being thrown at a player from the stands at The Cell.

Human projectiles, which were worse.

Man, how did I get on the other side of this argument???

kittle42
08-13-2009, 02:03 PM
This is Crane Kenney's response to the situation. How much more has to happen in the bleachers before he realizes this isn't exactly an isolated incident?

I know ever since the Ligue embarrasment, White Sox security was stepped up dramatically. The Cubs not only allowed this to happen, but they allowed this guy to get away, and they're burying their heads in the sand saying they did all they could.

It's because, in reality, people who want to go sit in the Wrigley bleachers see this incident and probably think it was "cool" behavior. What, then, would the Cubs feel the need to apologize about? They're just attracting MORE idiots!

chunk
08-13-2009, 02:08 PM
In the pictures it looks like the guy in blue is staring down the actual beer thrower, so at least someone nearby was paying attention.

Also, I'm glad this happened during an ESPN broadcast. Couldn't have picked a better time.

SoxGirl4Life
08-13-2009, 02:11 PM
In the pictures it looks like the guy in blue is staring down the actual beer thrower, so at least someone nearby was paying attention.

Also, I'm glad this happened during an ESPN broadcast. Couldn't have picked a better time.

So maybe it was a Sox fan trying to make Cub fans look bad??

JermaineDye05
08-13-2009, 02:12 PM
I like how the beer thrower is your stereotypical douchebag.

Tilted hat, Kanye glasses, wristband. Only thing missing is a popped collar.

Sorry if there are any people who go around dressed like that, but those are some of the main criteria for douchebaggery on the net.

tebman
08-13-2009, 02:14 PM
"If you think about how many years we've gone with no issues of any kind, including situations where we had our fans in some ways animated about our own players, or they weren't favorable towards them, [it's] an isolated instance,"

This is Crane Kenney's response to the situation. How much more has to happen in the bleachers before he realizes this isn't exactly an isolated incident?

I know ever since the Ligue embarrasment, White Sox security was stepped up dramatically. The Cubs not only allowed this to happen, but they allowed this guy to get away, and they're burying their heads in the sand saying they did all they could.

This will keep happening until a player gets hurt. Somewhere along the way it became a folk tradition at that ballpark to flaunt boorishness. Throw back home run balls, throw trash on the field, throw beer on a fielder making a play -- what's next? There are out-of-control yahoos in any crowd, but for whatever reason that behavior is tacitly encouraged by Tribune management.

Maybe when the new owner takes over there'll be less tolerance for this stuff and the frat boys will have to find a new place for their wild keggers.

cws05champ
08-13-2009, 02:21 PM
This is Crane Kenney's response to the situation. How much more has to happen in the bleachers before he realizes this isn't exactly an isolated incident?

I know ever since the Ligue embarrasment, White Sox security was stepped up dramatically. The Cubs not only allowed this to happen, but they allowed this guy to get away, and they're burying their heads in the sand saying they did all they could.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/08/search-is-on-for-wrigley-field-beertosser-.html

Man, Crane is spinning it again as he should try to do from a PR standpoint. Look at his comments, he never once says how they are going to improve the security to prevent the next incident. He just says that it shouldn't and can't happen. It's an isolated incident? What about the guys that ran out to Bob Howry on the mound a few years ago, all the stuff thrown on the field even at players. I think he needs to look up the word isolated.

Why don't you call in a priest to bless the bleachers so the sinners and beer drinkers there will abstain from any wrong doing in the future.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:30 PM
Victorino has filed a police report, per ESPN.

kittle42
08-13-2009, 02:39 PM
Victorino has filed a police report, per ESPN.

Silly, but good for him!

cws05champ
08-13-2009, 02:41 PM
Victorino has filed a police report, per ESPN.
I think the punishment should be to let Victorino in a room with the guy for 3 minutes with no consequences :tongue:

areilly
08-13-2009, 02:45 PM
You have to wonder if they were RANDOMLY swinging or if that's just them being the hitter they are when nearly half the lineup is hitting at or well below the Mendoza Line.

Make all the jokes you want, and I will never even try to compare Wood's game with Buehrle's, but people around here seem to forget it was May 6 (33rd game of the season), the Astros team Wood flat-out shanked was in first place at the time, and said team went on to win 102 games that year. It's not like he was facing a Little League team.

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:45 PM
I think the police report is largely a scare tactic, as I doubt anyone's going to find this guy. I think the motive is to get people thinking that it's going to cost the next person that does something like this, financially.

chisoxfanatic
08-13-2009, 02:49 PM
Make all the jokes you want, and I will never even try to compare Wood's game with Buehrle's, but people around here seem to forget it was May 6 (33rd game of the season), the Astros team Wood flat-out shanked was in first place at the time, and said team went on to win 102 games that year. It's not like he was facing a Little League team.
But the Astro lineup on that particular day resembled one of Jerry Manuel's prototypical Sunday afternoon lineups. It was not even close to the typical every day Astro lineup.

WhiteSox5187
08-13-2009, 02:49 PM
I just sent this in to the Tribune and am quietly hoping that it will get published in the "Voice of the People" section:

I have recently read where Cubs chairman Crane Kenney has called the Shane Victorino incident an “isolated incident.” I suppose that this might go down as one of the problems with the English language where a word or a phrase can have two different meanings to two different people. You see, to me an isolated incident is akin to a freak occurrence, such as a 1-2-3 inning by Carlos Marmol. What happened on Wednesday with Shane Victorino to me wasn’t an “isolated incident” so much as it was a pattern of irresponsible/reckless/dangerous behavior on the part of Cubs fans. Maybe Mr. Kenney doesn’t have a particularly good memory (though I somehow suspect that he and other Cub fans will be quick to recall the incident of Mr. Dybas running out onto US Cellular Field in 2003, of course they are just as likely to forget that he started his alcohol fueled day by going to a Cubs game) so allow me to help demonstrate what I see as a pattern and what Mr. Kenney views as an isolated incident. I seem to recall when a Cub fan rushed onto the field and attacked Randy Myers in 1995, when Cub fans provoked the Los Angeles Dodgers into a fight in 2001 and the Dodgers rushed into the stands, when Jacque Jones complained of numerous racial epithets hurled at him by numerous fans in the bleachers in 2006, when Cub fans began to throw garbage onto the warning track from the bleachers on numerous occasions in 2006, 2007, 2008, when a fan ran out onto the field and nearly attacked Bob Howry in 2007, when Cub fans threw out about eighteen baseballs from the bleachers after Adam Dunn hit a homerun in 2008 prompting long time Reds’ broadcaster Marty Brennaman to call Cub fans “what makes you want to see the Cubs lose.”

Perhaps to Mr. Kenney these are a “series of isolated incidents” just like the chunks of falling concrete at Wrigley were a series of isolated incidents. But to me at least, this is reflective of a pattern, and as someone who worked at Wrigley Field as an usher I see no reason to believe this trend will stop until the Cubs demonstrate that they are serious about security at Wrigley Field and the safety of their fans (not to mention the players in whom they’ve invested millions of dollars). Following the incident at US Cellular Field in 2003 when two idiots ran onto the field, the White Sox increased security and now it is easier to sneak into O’Hare Airport than it is to sneak into the lower concourse at US Cellular Field. The Cubs however seem to be reluctant to take the necessary measures to provide similar safety at Wrigley Field. I suppose though I can understand their reasoning. You wouldn’t want to overreact to an isolated incident.

Jerko
08-13-2009, 02:51 PM
Good list whitesox5187. Don't forget the bimbo that ran on there this year and these few others. Now admittedly none of these are as bad as the 2 jagoffs that started it all (Ligues), but Wrigley outdoes the Cell in number of fan on field incidents (not even counting the Dodgers and Myers incidents). Funny we "live in the past" if we talk about 2005, but the Ligues get thrown in our face every time a moron Cub "fan" does his thing. I feel sorry for the real Cub fans who go to Wrigley and have to be lumped in with some of these idiots.


http://www.cubune.com/2007_08_01_cubune_archive.html

http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/1689780/fan_charged_after_sliding_on_ballpark_tarp/index.html?source=r_oddities

http://deadspin.com/5033277/slip-n-slide-with-the-king

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1290&dat=19950929&id=BsIPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9Y0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=4495,6056584

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 02:52 PM
I just sent this in to the Tribune and am quietly hoping that it will get published in the "Voice of the People" section:

I'd say that the odds of that getting published in the Cubune are about as good as my odds of scoring with Megan Fox.

WhiteSox5187
08-13-2009, 02:55 PM
I'd say that the odds of that getting published in the Cubune are about as good as my odds of scoring with Megan Fox.

So....they're good, right?? :redneck

areilly
08-13-2009, 02:57 PM
But the Astro lineup on that particular day resembled one of Jerry Manuel's prototypical Sunday afternoon lineups. It was not even close to the typical every day Astro lineup.

Of that day's starters, only Howell (3B) lost his job, and that went to Bill Spiers who in fact pinch-hit for Reynolds that day. I fail to see how any 1998 Astors lineup with Craig Biggio, Brad Ausmus, Jeff Bagwell, Moises Alou, Ricky Gutierrez and Derek Bell could be considered atypical or even sub-par when four of those guys hit over .300 for the season.

Dude threw a game for the ages. Why is that so hard to admit? Damn.


[B-R (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN199805060.shtml)]

beasly213
08-13-2009, 02:58 PM
But the Astro lineup on that particular day resembled one of Jerry Manuel's prototypical Sunday afternoon lineups. It was not even close to the typical every day Astro lineup.


Watch the game, rent it off Netflix "Cubs Greatest Games" box set. Woods stuff would have dominated the 27 Yankees that day.

It is the most dominate pitched game I and many others have ever seen.

Marqhead
08-13-2009, 03:00 PM
Of that day's starters, only Howell (3B) lost his job, and that went to Bill Spiers who in fact pinch-hit for Reynolds that day. I fail to see how any 1998 Astors lineup with Craig Biggio, Brad Ausmus, Jeff Bagwell, Moises Alou, Ricky Gutierrez and Derek Bell could be considered atypical or even sub-par when four of those guys hit over .300 for the season.

Dude threw a game for the ages. Why is that so hard to admit? Damn.


[B-R (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN199805060.shtml)]

Admitting anything about positive about the Cubs (even the truth) would destroy some people on this site.

cws05champ
08-13-2009, 03:02 PM
Of that day's starters, only Howell (3B) lost his job, and that went to Bill Spiers who in fact pinch-hit for Reynolds that day. I fail to see how any 1998 Astors lineup with Craig Biggio, Brad Ausmus, Jeff Bagwell, Moises Alou, Ricky Gutierrez and Derek Bell could be considered atypical or even sub-par when four of those guys hit over .300 for the season.

Dude threw a game for the ages. Why is that so hard to admit? Damn.


[B-R (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN199805060.shtml)]
Isn't there a whole other thread about this argument started by Kaplan? Why don't you revive that one...

beasly213
08-13-2009, 03:03 PM
I just sent this in to the Tribune and am quietly hoping that it will get published in the "Voice of the People" section:

That letter rules! :cool:

WhiteSox5187
08-13-2009, 03:07 PM
That letter rules! :cool:

Haha, thanks, I keep checking back here every five minutes or so to see what people here think of it. Hopefully the Trib will run it.

Dibbs
08-13-2009, 03:07 PM
Who cares if Wood was more dominant than Mark Buehrle on that one given day? Even if he was, being a Sox fan, I would never go out of my way to make the argument.

On topic, I am glad Victorino filed a police report. Maybe it will help prevent a future incident too.

SoxGirl4Life
08-13-2009, 03:08 PM
You see, to me an isolated incident is akin to a freak occurrence, such as a 1-2-3 inning by Carlos Marmol.

I spit pop outta my nose. Thanks :tongue:

twentywontowin
08-13-2009, 03:08 PM
But the Astro lineup on that particular day resembled one of Jerry Manuel's prototypical Sunday afternoon lineups. It was not even close to the typical every day Astro lineup.

Not even close. Biggio, Bagwell, Bell, Alou...those were some hitters. That team won 102 games.

You really need to watch the whole Kerry Wood game again to appreciate it. He was on a whole other level that day.

russ99
08-13-2009, 03:11 PM
Of that day's starters, only Howell (3B) lost his job, and that went to Bill Spiers who in fact pinch-hit for Reynolds that day. I fail to see how any 1998 Astors lineup with Craig Biggio, Brad Ausmus, Jeff Bagwell, Moises Alou, Ricky Gutierrez and Derek Bell could be considered atypical or even sub-par when four of those guys hit over .300 for the season.

Dude threw a game for the ages. Why is that so hard to admit? Damn.


[B-R (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN199805060.shtml)]

Part-time Astros fan checking in - Wood had his slider going anywhere he wanted to. He would have struck out 12 facing the 1927 Yankees that day. It sucked when it happened, but as annoyed as we are about it, it's just a dominant pitching performance. But no worries, the dude blew out his arm and he's closing (badly) for the Indians now...

If you really want to get an Astros fan riled up, mention Zambozo's "away game" hurricane aided no hitter...

chisoxfanatic
08-13-2009, 03:11 PM
Not even close. Biggio, Bagwell, Bell, Alou...those were some hitters. That team won 102 games.

You really need to watch the whole Kerry Wood game again to appreciate it. He was on a whole other level that day.
I DID watch the game and still will not appreciate it nor anything else that deals with the Cubs.

Marqhead
08-13-2009, 03:12 PM
I DID watch the game and still will not appreciate it nor anything else that deals with the Cubs.

If you can't appreciate it, don't compare it with a Sox Player's accomplishment.

Stoky44
08-13-2009, 03:12 PM
Deadspin may have ID'd the guy

http://deadspin.com/5336740/is-this-person-the-wrigley-beer+tossing-hand-job

Looks like he's a "true" cubs fan.

tebman
08-13-2009, 03:13 PM
That letter rules! :cool:

I'd say that the odds of that getting published in the Cubune are about as good as my odds of scoring with Megan Fox.

Haha, thanks, I keep checking back here every five minutes or so to see what people here think of it. Hopefully the Trib will run it.

Good luck with that. The Tribune has its own fan base to please.

Maybe you should send it to Megan Fox -- she might actually read it. :D:

twentywontowin
08-13-2009, 03:13 PM
I DID watch the game and still will not appreciate it nor anything else that deals with the Cubs.

Then as a baseball fan you can't compare it to anything the Sox ever did. A real baseball fan is going to respect a performance regardless of who did it.

twentywontowin
08-13-2009, 03:15 PM
Deadspin may have ID'd the guy

http://deadspin.com/5336740/is-this-person-the-wrigley-beer+tossing-hand-job

Looks like he's a "true" cubs fan.

You know, I bet if the guy turned himself in, he'd probably get charged with simple assault and it wouldn't be a big deal. Little bit of community service.

Marqhead
08-13-2009, 03:17 PM
You know, I bet if the guy turned himself in, he'd probably get charged with simple assault and it wouldn't be a big deal. Little bit of community service.

I bet he gets banned from the park for life, something he's probably not so willing to give up. Plus, he'll be publicly shamed.

twentywontowin
08-13-2009, 03:19 PM
I bet he gets banned from the park for life, something he's probably not so willing to give up. Plus, he'll be publicly shamed.

I wonder what the reaction to this guy would have been if it was Game 6 of the 2009 NLDS and the Cubs are up 3-0 in the 8th. Because of him throwing a beer on Victorino, it allows the runner to stay on base by interference, starting an eight run rally...

KnightSox
08-13-2009, 03:21 PM
You know, I bet if the guy turned himself in, he'd probably get charged with simple assault and it wouldn't be a big deal. Little bit of community service.Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the charge be for battery as he actually hit him with the cup?

Marqhead
08-13-2009, 03:21 PM
I wonder what the reaction to this guy would have been if it was Game 6 of the 2009 NLDS and the Cubs are up 3-0 in the 8th. Because of him throwing a beer on Victorino, it allows the runner to stay on base by interference, starting an eight run rally...

I think you're a little mixed up, but I get what you are trying to say. :cool:

RadioheadRocks
08-13-2009, 03:22 PM
It's major league level talent regardles, whether it be the 1927 Yankees or the 2003 Tigers.

Hell, at ANY level of baseball, to strike out 20 batters is quite a feat.

A no hitter is special, and a perfect game is even more special because it requires a lot of luck behind you as well, but you don't necessarily have to have a super-dominating performance to get one like you would to have to fan the order 6 2/3 times.

As much as I love Buehrle, it's not a 20K game.


Apples, meet oranges.

Stoky44
08-13-2009, 03:23 PM
I just sent this in to the Tribune and am quietly hoping that it will get published in the "Voice of the People" section:

"Following the incident at US Cellular Field in 2003 when two idiots ran onto the field, the White Sox increased security and now it is easier to sneak into O’Hare Airport than it is to sneak into the lower concourse at US Cellular Field."

This quote is the only thing I have a problem with. By limiting the people into the lower deck in no way will prevent this from happening in the future. Unless you believe only those who pay less for a ticket are capable of entering the field. (or you want to say there will then be fewer people in the lower deck, hence because of statistics of fewer people, fewer incidents, which I don't buy but can understand)Two it is kind of easy to get pass security into the lower deck. The sox actually are having a security check before entering the lower deck because it is cheaper then having some one check tickets at every section (like many parks, stadiums, arenas).

I will say though that the sox did respond correctly by adding more on field security, as seen by the removal of ball girls and 3 security guys sitting on the field down each line. Also there is more security between innings and pitching changes on the field.

russ99
08-13-2009, 03:24 PM
Deadspin may have ID'd the guy

http://deadspin.com/5336740/is-this-person-the-wrigley-beer+tossing-hand-job

Looks like he's a "true" cubs fan.

I love it. They're making this into a Bartman 2 like media circus.

I'll call him "Beerman". :gulp: Surprised that ESPN hasn't splashed his picture all over their site yet...

Boondock Saint
08-13-2009, 03:25 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't the charge be for battery as he actually hit him with the cup?

You're correct, the charge is simple battery.

34rancher
08-13-2009, 03:30 PM
Ok, my take on the two issues discussed here:
1. Wanna make a bet they id the guy and he turns out to have been served at Wrigley underaged? Wanna then bet that the story just fades away in the papers as that would make the Cubs look bad? Kind of how the Hawks PR has helped focus on the cab driver ignoring the fact their under-aged player was hammered and probably doesn't remember it anyways.

2. Wood's performance was great. But the difference between him and MB's was
A. It can be beat. 21 K's will happen someday. Perfection can not be beat.
B. Wood had a balk and a hit batter. It was also cold and rainy.
C. Wood's performance was repeated. MB's turned into a major league record.
D. NL pitchers getting to bat. It helps the totals.
E. Who carers...

WhiteSox5187
08-13-2009, 03:34 PM
This quote is the only thing I have a problem with. By limiting the people into the lower deck in no way will prevent this from happening in the future. Unless you believe only those who pay less for a ticket are capable of entering the field. (or you want to say there will then be fewer people in the lower deck, hence because of statistics of fewer people, fewer incidents, which I don't buy but can understand)Two it is kind of easy to get pass security into the lower deck. The sox actually are having a security check before entering the lower deck because it is cheaper then having some one check tickets at every section (like many parks, stadiums, arenas).

I will say though that the sox did respond correctly by adding more on field security, as seen by the removal of ball girls and 3 security guys sitting on the field down each line. Also there is more security between innings and pitching changes on the field.

No, I wasn't trying to imply that. I just wanted a to demonstrate the changes the Sox made as opposed to those of the Cubs.

Iwritecode
08-13-2009, 03:37 PM
He would have struck out 12 facing the 1927 Yankees that day.

That's an odd number to pick.

Stoky44
08-13-2009, 03:37 PM
No, I wasn't trying to imply that. I just wanted a to demonstrate the changes the Sox made as opposed to those of the Cubs.

I did not think you were implying that. I just was saying that having security before entering the lower deck I don't think has really stopped anyone from going on the field.
I was trying to give another example though to your point of how the sox did react appropriately by increasing the amount of security on the field.

areilly
08-13-2009, 03:40 PM
Isn't there a whole other thread about this argument started by Kaplan? Why don't you revive that one...

Because I'm not saying trying to make some idiotic Kaplanian point how one was a better or more dominant performance than the other. All I'm saying is you can't belittle Wood's accomplishment simply because of his employer, and you can't falsely imply that because the Astros had bad averages that day they were a team any slob off the street could fan 20 times.

Likewise...he (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2323809#post2323809) started it.

russ99
08-13-2009, 04:44 PM
That's an odd number to pick.

Well, let's just say they had a much better lineup than the Astros, and Wood wouldn't have come close to 20. :D:

PatK
08-13-2009, 05:00 PM
Human projectiles, which were worse.

Man, how did I get on the other side of this argument???

In the almost 7 years since the Ligue incident and the 6+ since Eric Dumbass, there has been more instances of Cubs fans going on the field than Sox fans.

As if we couldn't see this coming, Morrissey's article today brings up both instances in a "see, White Sox fans are bad too" manner

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-14-morrissey-aug14,0,5866053.column

Pear-Zin-Ski
08-13-2009, 05:09 PM
Sore losers. As simple as that.

rocky biddle
08-13-2009, 05:14 PM
Samardzija should find this beer thrower and buy him a house. Because of that jerk-off nobody's talking about the golden boy's piss-poor performance.

VeeckAsInWreck
08-13-2009, 05:31 PM
Supposedly the beer tosser turned himself in.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/08/man-suspected-of-tossing-beer-at-wrigley-turns-himself-in.html

JB98
08-13-2009, 06:20 PM
When things go poorly at Wrigley Field, you can always count on the Cubbie faithful to start throwing ****. It's a time-honored tradition.

gobears1987
08-13-2009, 06:57 PM
Boers and Bernstein are no longer banning callers from Bollingbrook. They have a new suburb to use as their whipping boy.

DrGiggles
08-13-2009, 06:57 PM
they actually threw the wrong guy out if you saw the replay. The dude with the tight, white shirt tossed the beer and hid.

I saw that.

SOXfnNlansing
08-13-2009, 07:20 PM
From stories I've heard about people in the bleachers, I sure hope it was just beer in that cup. Ewwwww

WSox597
08-13-2009, 07:40 PM
It all depends on how you define dominating the lineup. When you're throwing up around 100mph, nasty late breaking movement, and making batters randomly swing at anything, that's dominance. While Buehrle was definitely on for the perfect game, he didn't dominate the lineup in the fashion that Wood did on the individual level.

I think a perfect game sort of defines domination.

Wood did have an excellent game, but it wasn't a perfect game after all.

It was also the high point of his career.

Viva Medias B's
08-13-2009, 08:54 PM
I can't recall anything being thrown at a player from the stands at The Cell.

Actually, I can. In 1990, at the Old Comiskey Park, Deion Sanders was playing left field for the Yankees. I believe this was after the incident with Carlton Fisk earlier in the season. When a ball was hit out to left, Sanders drifted back to the wall to make the play. As he was doing that, a couple of fans in the patio picnic area underneath the left field stands splashed a beer on him. I am sure Sox Security promptly escorted them out.

SoxGirl4Life
08-13-2009, 09:12 PM
Actually, I can. In 1990, at the Old Comiskey Park, Deion Sanders was playing left field for the Yankees. I believe this was after the incident with Carlton Fisk earlier in the season. When a ball was hit out to left, Sanders drifted back to the wall to make the play. As he was doing that, a couple of fans in the patio picnic area underneath the left field stands splashed a beer on him. I am sure Sox Security promptly escorted them out.

If 1990 was the most recent incidence, Sox have it under control

DrCrawdad
08-13-2009, 09:47 PM
If 1990 was the most recent incidence, Sox have it under control

I vaguely remember Rocco Baldelli getting a beer tossed on him in 2003(?), the night Frank Thomas hit a milestone HR.

DrCrawdad
08-13-2009, 09:52 PM
I vaguely remember Rocco Baldelli getting a beer tossed on him in 2003(?), the night Frank Thomas hit a milestone HR.

I found it. July 26, 2003. (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=888&dat=20030726&id=lssMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=YF4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6293,439979) Interestingly, Baldelli got hit with a beer shower at Wrigley that same season.

Brian26
08-13-2009, 10:22 PM
I found it. July 26, 2003. (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=888&dat=20030726&id=lssMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=YF4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6293,439979) Interestingly, Baldelli got hit with a beer shower at Wrigley that same season.

Cool article. It talks about Hawk shaving his head in 2003 if the Sox won 10 in a row. That seems like two decades ago.

1908<2005
08-13-2009, 10:24 PM
I found it. July 26, 2003. (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=888&dat=20030726&id=lssMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=YF4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6293,439979) Interestingly, Baldelli got hit with a beer shower at Wrigley that same season.

Gasp! That article mentions the Ligues and the Laz Diaz incident. Let's boycott the St. Petersburg Times.

gobears1987
08-13-2009, 10:49 PM
Cool article. It talks about Hawk shaving his head in 2003 if the Sox won 10 in a row. That seems like two decades ago.
I remember that. I was in DC for that week so I had to get my scores from the paper in the morning. I was bummed when I saw the Sox finally lost. I would've loved to see Hawk shave.

DrCrawdad
08-13-2009, 11:03 PM
Gasp! That article mentions the Ligues and the Laz Diaz incident. Let's boycott the St. Petersburg Times.

Were you the guy hauled off last night in the bleachers? Or just one of the dudes with their Cubbie hats on backwards?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xoqYhFMIB-0/SW9nZkR2QMI/AAAAAAAAAg8/BsQ6a7pG5Do/s320/asshat.jpg

chisox117
08-13-2009, 11:06 PM
I remember a Tigers player getting pelted with many beers when he was being escorted out through the bullpen following the Sox/Tigers brawl in April of 2000. Was it Robert Fick?

TommyJohn
08-13-2009, 11:08 PM
Of that day's starters, only Howell (3B) lost his job, and that went to Bill Spiers who in fact pinch-hit for Reynolds that day. I fail to see how any 1998 Astors lineup with Craig Biggio, Brad Ausmus, Jeff Bagwell, Moises Alou, Ricky Gutierrez and Derek Bell could be considered atypical or even sub-par when four of those guys hit over .300 for the season.

Dude threw a game for the ages. Why is that so hard to admit? Damn.


[B-R (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN199805060.shtml)]I'll tell you why-because some ****ers in the news media just could not let Buehrle and the White Sox have their day in the sun with the perfect game. That too was a game for the ages. But ****ers like Dave Kaplan and Dan Bernstein had to bitch about how much more "impressive" Kerry Wood's game was. Who the **** cares??? Why not just let the perfect game have the attention it deserves???? Why do these ****ers HAVE to work the Cubs into every White Sox game story???? If any White Sox fan had said that Buehrle's first no-hitter was more "impressive" than Zambrano's last year they would have been laughed at or ignored, dismissed as jealous and bitter. But the same asswipes who tell us to stop "living in the past" want to whine about how Kerry Wood was more "impressive." It's ****ing insulting. Mark Buehrle pitched a perfect game. He didn't strike out 20 batters. Big ****ing deal. So the next time a Cubbie pitches a no-hitter we can play pissy-pissy bitches and say in wasn't as "impressive" as a perfect game, right?

Coming soon from a Media outlet near you: The 2008 Cubs were more "impressive" than the 2005 White Sox because it was their second consecutive division title, whereas the 2005 White Sox didn't repeat.

DrCrawdad
08-13-2009, 11:09 PM
I remember a Tigers player getting pelted with many beers when he was being escorted out through the bullpen following the Sox/Tigers brawl in April of 2000. Was it Robert Fick?

I had that game taped, wished I still had it. I distinctly remember Fick walking into the RF visitors BP and caught on the gamecast was a fan spitting a loogie at Fick. Nice.

Cuck the Fubs
08-13-2009, 11:44 PM
were you the guy hauled off last night in the bleachers? Or just one of the dudes with their cubbie hats on backwards?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xoqyhfmib-0/sw9nzkr2qmi/aaaaaaaaag8/bsq6a7pg5do/s320/asshat.jpg

priceless!

ChiSoxGirl
08-13-2009, 11:50 PM
I'll tell you why-because some ****ers in the news media just could not let Buehrle and the White Sox have their day in the sun with the perfect game. That too was a game for the ages. But ****ers like Dave Kaplan and Dan Bernstein had to bitch about how much more "impressive" Kerry Wood's game was. Who the **** cares??? Why not just let the perfect game have the attention it deserves???? Why do these ****ers HAVE to work the Cubs into every White Sox game story???? If any White Sox fan had said that Buehrle's first no-hitter was more "impressive" than Zambrano's last year they would have been laughed at or ignored, dismissed as jealous and bitter. But the same asswipes who tell us to stop "living in the past" want to whine about how Kerry Wood was more "impressive." It's ****ing insulting. Mark Buehrle pitched a perfect game. He didn't strike out 20 batters. Big ****ing deal. So the next time a Cubbie pitches a no-hitter we can play pissy-pissy bitches and say in wasn't as "impressive" as a perfect game, right?

Coming soon from a Media outlet near you: The 2008 Cubs were more "impressive" than the 2005 White Sox because it was their second consecutive division title, whereas the 2005 White Sox didn't repeat.

Epic post! :thumbsup:

manders_01
08-14-2009, 12:10 AM
Maybe when the new owner takes over there'll be less tolerance for this stuff and the frat boys will have to find a new place for their wild keggers.

LOL That's the ticket - win a big lottery jackpot and buy the Scrubs. I'll clean that **** up! :redneck

esbrechtel
08-14-2009, 12:17 AM
my sister graduated High School with the beer thrower from the other day...she said he was a jack ass back then....:D:

DrCrawdad
08-14-2009, 12:17 AM
priceless!

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/08/bleacherphoto_01.jpg


Where's "1908<2005?"

doublem23
08-14-2009, 12:20 AM
It keeps on getting better. The guy who the actual d-bag accused and had escorted from the bleachers last night was actually one of his friends.

Holy. ****. What a complete douche.

http://deadspin.com/5337028/mob-justice-prevails-again-update-2

manders_01
08-14-2009, 12:38 AM
I tried to watch this during lunch today but mlb.tv never comes in good at work. So I just finished watch both feeds - :rolling: The Phillies announcers pointing out the real culprit right away was hilarious!

However, it makes me a bit embarrassed to be a human being when someone can be cruel - and yes, I think pouring a beer on someone is cruel - and it appeared that not one person in his vicinity pointed him out to security. Call the person out for doing something wrong. Who gives a **** if everyone thinks you're a narc - at least you have enough self-respect to do the right thing!

kittle42
08-14-2009, 12:40 AM
I like drinking.

TommyJohn
08-14-2009, 07:22 AM
my sister graduated High School with the beer thrower from the other day...she said he was a jack ass back then....:D:This somehow just does not surprise me.

It keeps on getting better. The guy who the actual d-bag accused and had escorted from the bleachers last night was actually one of his friends.

Holy. ****. What a complete douche.

http://deadspin.com/5337028/mob-justice-prevails-again-update-2

Douche doesn't begin to tell the story. And would you look at the guy? He's a twerp! I could probably handle him in a fight, and I'm not much bigger than him.

areilly
08-14-2009, 09:48 AM
I'll tell you why-because some ****ers in the news media just could not let Buehrle and the White Sox have their day in the sun with the perfect game. That too was a game for the ages. But ****ers like Dave Kaplan and Dan Bernstein had to bitch about how much more "impressive" Kerry Wood's game was. Who the **** cares??? Why not just let the perfect game have the attention it deserves???? Why do these ****ers HAVE to work the Cubs into every White Sox game story???? If any White Sox fan had said that Buehrle's first no-hitter was more "impressive" than Zambrano's last year they would have been laughed at or ignored, dismissed as jealous and bitter. But the same asswipes who tell us to stop "living in the past" want to whine about how Kerry Wood was more "impressive." It's ****ing insulting. Mark Buehrle pitched a perfect game. He didn't strike out 20 batters. Big ****ing deal. So the next time a Cubbie pitches a no-hitter we can play pissy-pissy bitches and say in wasn't as "impressive" as a perfect game, right?

Coming soon from a Media outlet near you: The 2008 Cubs were more "impressive" than the 2005 White Sox because it was their second consecutive division title, whereas the 2005 White Sox didn't repeat.

Yawn.

Mark Buehrle did something both special and difficult when he threw a perfect game against the reigning AL champions. So did Kerry Wood when he struck out 20 Astros went on to win 102 games in 1998. That's all I ever said. Don't associate me with Kaplan. Ever.

SOXPHILE
08-14-2009, 10:10 AM
Are these some of Johnny Macchione's "Boys" ? :


http://www.natscast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/guidos.jpg (http://tomunfiltered.com/www.natcast.com)

TommyJohn
08-14-2009, 12:59 PM
Yawn.

Mark Buehrle did something both special and difficult when he threw a perfect game against the reigning AL champions. So did Kerry Wood when he struck out 20 Astros went on to win 102 games in 1998. That's all I ever said. Don't associate me with Kaplan. Ever.Yawn yawn. You were saying basically the same thing. Yawn.

gobears1987
08-14-2009, 01:00 PM
Are these some of Johnny Macchione's "Boys" ? :


http://www.natscast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/guidos.jpg (http://tomunfiltered.com/www.natcast.com)

See this? It's my new ****ing haircut!

slavko
08-14-2009, 01:11 PM
Yawn yawn. You were saying basically the same thing. Yawn.

Chiming in late here. Dominating is a subjective judgement based on personal feelings. Perfect is perfect.

thomas35forever
08-14-2009, 01:53 PM
I've had two people on my Facebook status bringing up pretty much everything that has been going on in this thread plus the whole attendance argument. One even went so far as to say he'd enjoy a beer shower. Idiot. I've rebutted their arguments and maybe something will come out of it.

pythons007
08-14-2009, 05:16 PM
I'll tell you why-because some ****ers in the news media just could not let Buehrle and the White Sox have their day in the sun with the perfect game. That too was a game for the ages. But ****ers like Dave Kaplan and Dan Bernstein had to bitch about how much more "impressive" Kerry Wood's game was. Who the **** cares??? Why not just let the perfect game have the attention it deserves???? Why do these ****ers HAVE to work the Cubs into every White Sox game story???? If any White Sox fan had said that Buehrle's first no-hitter was more "impressive" than Zambrano's last year they would have been laughed at or ignored, dismissed as jealous and bitter. But the same asswipes who tell us to stop "living in the past" want to whine about how Kerry Wood was more "impressive." It's ****ing insulting. Mark Buehrle pitched a perfect game. He didn't strike out 20 batters. Big ****ing deal. So the next time a Cubbie pitches a no-hitter we can play pissy-pissy bitches and say in wasn't as "impressive" as a perfect game, right?

Coming soon from a Media outlet near you: The 2008 Cubs were more "impressive" than the 2005 White Sox because it was their second consecutive division title, whereas the 2005 White Sox didn't repeat.

I don't care how many batter Kerry Wood struck out. 27 strikeouts isn't as good a game as a perfect game. Perfect is perfect and 20 strikeouts has no business being brought up as a perfect game.

Dave Kaplan should be quartered for even comparing the two. But he is a complete boob and has no business hosting a show unless its a Cubs only show. Oh wait, thats why they call its Chicago Tribune Live. He's perfect for that show.

RadioheadRocks
08-14-2009, 07:26 PM
Not that this is EVER going to happen, but wouldn't it be funny if this whole beer toss incident causes Cubs security to clamp down on tossing anything at all onto the playing field (including opposition home run balls)?

Honestly I would LMMFAO if this dillweed caused the end of this "noble Cub fan tradition".

KnightSox
08-14-2009, 08:43 PM
Are these some of Johnny Macchione's "Boys" ? :


http://www.natscast.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/guidos.jpg (http://tomunfiltered.com/www.natcast.com)I thought that was the Mike North Junior wise guy society.

Brian26
08-14-2009, 09:07 PM
I don't care how many batter Kerry Wood struck out. 27 strikeouts isn't as good a game as a perfect game.

Actually, a 27-strikeout perfect game would be pretty damn good. Maybe better than Buehrle's, but I still give the nod to Buehrle's because of the drama of the catch and the foul ball-by-three-inches. Maybe.

1908<2005
08-14-2009, 11:06 PM
I don't care how many batter Kerry Wood struck out. 27 strikeouts isn't as good a game as a perfect game. Perfect is perfect and 20 strikeouts has no business being brought up as a perfect game.

Dave Kaplan should be quartered for even comparing the two. But he is a complete boob and has no business hosting a show unless its a Cubs only show. Oh wait, thats why they call its Chicago Tribune Live. He's perfect for that show.
A perfect game has been done 17 times in MLB history. 20 K's in a game has been done just 4 times. 2 by Clemens.

RadioheadRocks
08-14-2009, 11:42 PM
A perfect game has been done 17 times in MLB history. 20 K's in a game has been done just 4 times. 2 by Clemens.


Which only goes to show you can take virtually any statistic or occurrence and spin it favorably or unfavorably in any direction.

I said it before and I'll say it again... Buehrle's perfecto and Wood's 20K game are APPLES AND ORANGES.

DumpJerry
08-14-2009, 11:51 PM
A perfect game has been done 17 times in MLB history. 20 K's in a game has been done just 4 times. 2 by Clemens.
18 times.

SBSoxFan
08-15-2009, 06:29 AM
That's an odd number to pick.

Actually, it's not; it's an even number. :redneck

WSox597
08-15-2009, 07:11 AM
I wonder what the reaction to this guy would have been if it was Game 6 of the 2009 NLDS and the Cubs are up 3-0 in the 8th. Because of him throwing a beer on Victorino, it allows the runner to stay on base by interference, starting an eight run rally...

That will never happen. The Cubs scoring 3 runs in the playoffs?

The CHICAGO Cubs?

Naw. Maybe for the entire time it takes to get swept, but not in one game.

C-Dawg
08-15-2009, 07:26 AM
Would it be worth my time to go back and read 14 pages to see where and why this turned into a Kerry Wood vs. Mark Buehrle debate? Or can the rest of us let it go finally. Kerry Wood's performance was 11 years ago; the rest of the world is still waiting for him to live up to his potential.

DrCrawdad
08-15-2009, 09:19 AM
Would it be worth my time to go back and read 14 pages to see where and why this turned into a Kerry Wood vs. Mark Buehrle debate? Or can the rest of us let it go finally. Kerry Wood's performance was 11 years ago; the rest of the world is still waiting for him to live up to his potential.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/troy/8866/ovation.gif