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ChiSox89
08-10-2009, 06:37 PM
per New York Times :):):)

DirtySox
08-10-2009, 06:38 PM
For nothing in return.

http://twitter.com/TylerKepner/status/3233706904

34rancher
08-10-2009, 06:38 PM
For what and how much? Not bad Kenny not bad.

Goose
08-10-2009, 06:39 PM
For what and how much? Not bad Kenny not bad.

For the value of his contract. Sox give nada.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/blue-jays-trade-rios/article1247197/

KRS1
08-10-2009, 06:40 PM
Definitely very happy about this. Down year or not, this boosts our CF situation immensely now and for years to come.

nug0hs
08-10-2009, 06:40 PM
Who hits the road? My guess is D-Wise = he gone

Taliesinrk
08-10-2009, 06:41 PM
Goodbye Dewayne. Wish you the best.

oeo
08-10-2009, 06:41 PM
Nice. It will be interesting to see how Ozzie gets everyone in the lineup, but me likey for now and in the future.

chisoxfanatic
08-10-2009, 06:44 PM
On SportsNet Canada, they just aired the live press conference with the Jays' GM who had a big-time defeated facial expression. Great job, KW!

KRS1
08-10-2009, 06:44 PM
Nice. It will be interesting to see how Ozzie gets everyone in the lineup, but me likey for now and in the future.

Give TCQ a couple days off a week, Rios one day, let Dye take all DH games against LHP and Scotty gets four games a week right there and everything stays pretty balanced.

Goose
08-10-2009, 06:44 PM
So, who sits? Pods or TCQ? I am leaning towards TCQ as Pods is still productive in our lineup.

kittle42
08-10-2009, 06:44 PM
Nice. It will be interesting to see how Ozzie gets everyone in the lineup, but me likey for now and in the future.

My guess is TCQ will be sitting quite a bit.

russ99
08-10-2009, 06:44 PM
For the value of his contract. Sox give nada.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/blue-jays-trade-rios/article1247197/

Again, huge props to both Kenny and Jerry to not only fill a need with a quality player, but to take on much more salary to do so.

Now that this drama is over, let's win some games!

Whitesoxfan23
08-10-2009, 06:44 PM
I am happy about this. You gotta wonder what Carlos, Pods, and Dye are all thinking right now though...

PushinWeight
08-10-2009, 06:45 PM
Should I be happy about this? I really don't know. Kinda seems like a slap in the face to pods, albeit the team is lucky he has stayed healthy as long as he has.

Rios on the other hand seems to be a former high ceiling guy that never really reached his potential. However, he could still be a late bloomer at 28.

russ99
08-10-2009, 06:45 PM
My guess is TCQ will be sitting quite a bit.

Well, this allows Ozzie to do quite a bit. If Carlos is hurting, that's the likely spot, but also Pods, Dye and Thome can get more breaks to get Rios in the lineup.

soxnut1018
08-10-2009, 06:46 PM
Yes. HELL YES!!!!:bandance::bandance::bandance: :bliss::bliss::bliss:

Dibbs
08-10-2009, 06:46 PM
I am excited about this. :bandance:

Rockabilly
08-10-2009, 06:46 PM
I love KW!! First Peavy now Rios

soltrain21
08-10-2009, 06:46 PM
I am happy about this. You gotta wonder what Carlos, Pods, and Dye are all thinking right now though...

I'm sure Thome is wondering where his career takes him after this year. I think Dye is our DH next year.

KRS1
08-10-2009, 06:46 PM
Just broke in on Chicago Trib Live on CSN with a quick blurb about it being done!!!

ChiSox89
08-10-2009, 06:46 PM
I love it. Way to go Kenny!!!!

kittle42
08-10-2009, 06:46 PM
Well, this allows Ozzie to do quite a bit. If Carlos is hurting, that's the likely spot, but also Pods, Dye and Thome can get more breaks to get Rios in the lineup.

The ability to sit Thome vs. a nasty LHP he has trouble with without a HUGE loss of a bat in the lineup will be nice.

JermaineDye05
08-10-2009, 06:47 PM
Just reported on the Score too, now.

Whitesoxfan23
08-10-2009, 06:47 PM
I'm sure Thome is wondering where his career takes him after this year. I think Dye is our DH next year.


To be honest, I rather have Thome back next year than Dye. Thome will demand alot less money, and we will need a cheap Left hand bat.

oeo
08-10-2009, 06:47 PM
I am happy about this. You gotta wonder what Carlos, Pods, and Dye are all thinking right now though...

Pods is thinking he doesn't have to embarrass himself in CF anymore with Rios and Kotsay.

Marqhead
08-10-2009, 06:48 PM
This is terrific. A legit CF who can hit. Large contract aside, if he rebounds to anywhere close to what he was in 06-08 he'll be worth.

This team just got a whole hell of a lot better for the next 3 years in the last 2 weeks. Well done KW.

Vestigio
08-10-2009, 06:49 PM
I like it as well, but I wish Riccardi would have accepted a mid level prospect or two in return to eat a couple million off of Rios' contract

Whitesoxfan23
08-10-2009, 06:50 PM
I was very upset for KW not doing much in the off-season, but I have to hand it to him. He did an incredible job during the season putting two imporant pieces together, that we really needed. Good job Kenny. It's about damn time, we have a respectable CF again. I almost forgot what that feels like :D:

Taliesinrk
08-10-2009, 06:50 PM
I take back my previous post. Realizing the situation, we may see the first left-handed SS in years when, after sending down Jayson Nix (per Russ99), Ozzie places Dewayne Wise in the game as a defensive replacement for Alexei Ramirez after a 6 error game.

KRS1
08-10-2009, 06:50 PM
Kinda seems like a slap in the face to pods,
.

Scott's a professional and knows by now that it's a business, and that teams are always looking to improve themselves. It's also a business Scotty was out of just a few months ago, and I doubt he is hurt by this in any way shape or form. I'd bet he's just happy to be part of a team that is adding this kind of talent to go for another run.

EMel9281
08-10-2009, 06:50 PM
Hopefully this is the move that will definitely put us over the top for this year and get us into the playoffs. This is an excellent move for the future as well. We're going to be a force to be reckoned with in the coming years!

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 06:51 PM
YES!!!

I love this

thomas35forever
08-10-2009, 06:51 PM
Awesome. This gives us more flexibility for next year. For this year however:

:hawk
"Where's he gonna play?"

russ99
08-10-2009, 06:51 PM
I take back my previous post. Realizing the situation, we may see the first left-handed SS in years when, after sending down Jayson Nix (per Russ99), Ozzie places Dewayne Wise in the game as a defensive replacement for Alexei Ramirez after a 6 error game.

I should have used teal on that... :D:

But, yeah "The Catch" aside, I can't see how Wise stays on the roster now.

Taliesinrk
08-10-2009, 06:51 PM
I like it as well, but I wish Riccardi would have accepted a mid level prospect or two in return to eat a couple million off of Rios' contract

Don't go there.

Rockabilly
08-10-2009, 06:53 PM
We are going to be deadly for many years to come..

Taliesinrk
08-10-2009, 06:53 PM
I should have used teal on that... :D:

But, yeah "The Catch" aside, I can't see how Wise stays on the roster now.

I wasn't sure whether to teal your name or not.. but I figured if it wasn't understood, the reader would be set straight after they posted in response. It was quite funny when I read it in the other thread though... well played.

oeo
08-10-2009, 06:54 PM
Awesome. This gives us more flexibility for next year. For this year however:

:hawk
"Where's he gonna play?"

Rios is going to play CF. The question is when are the other guys going to play. Pods should never step foot in CF again.

tstrike2000
08-10-2009, 06:54 PM
I'm sure Thome is wondering where his career takes him after this year. I think Dye is our DH next year.

Yes.

tmill20
08-10-2009, 06:55 PM
here's the most important thing: who gets #15, rios or bacon?

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 06:55 PM
YES! Hell yes!

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 06:56 PM
here's the most important thing: who gets #15, rios or bacon?
Bacon!

Too many people have ordered his jersey already.

chisoxfanatic
08-10-2009, 06:56 PM
here's the most important thing: who gets #15, rios or bacon?
Bacon's the best thing since sliced bread, so that's simple!

thomas35forever
08-10-2009, 06:58 PM
Rios is going to play CF. The question is when are the other guys going to play. Pods should never step foot in CF again.
So does that move Pods to left and Carlos to the bench? I don't want a hole in the lead-off spot again.

Lip Man 1
08-10-2009, 06:58 PM
Kenny is making up for a lack of movement this off season for sure. Regardless of how the rest of this year plays out, he is setting the team up to do very well in 2010.

Peavy and Rios will help sell tickets over the winter and may convince an advertiser or two to re-up a deal.

He's also getting a lot of the heavy lifting done ahead of time for next off season.

All that's left is a reliable 5th starter and a lead off man (Chone Figgins?)

Kenny gets two thumbs up.

Lip

Huisj
08-10-2009, 06:58 PM
I take back my previous post. Realizing the situation, we may see the first left-handed SS in years when, after sending down Jayson Nix (per Russ99), Ozzie places Dewayne Wise in the game as a defensive replacement for Alexei Ramirez after a 6 error game.

If Nix really is going down, this team has a rather unbalanced roster between infielders and outfielders. That's kind of odd.

Navarro's Talent
08-10-2009, 06:59 PM
Awesome! I can't wait to see him in a Sox uniform.

DrGiggles
08-10-2009, 06:59 PM
I'm loving it. :D:

Foulke You
08-10-2009, 07:00 PM
I like the move. Rios is very solid and easily becomes our best defensive outfielder. (Tallest midget...I know) Kenny is getting World Serious. Peavy and Rios within 1 week of each other. He is setting us up nicely for 2010 while still putting us in a position to compete in 2009. I think it is now safe to say that either Dye or Thome will probably be gone in 2010.

Redus Redux
08-10-2009, 07:00 PM
On SportsNet Canada, they just aired the live press conference with the Jays' GM who had a big-time defeated facial expression. Great job, KW!

That musta been like the John Paxson face after he had to trade away Eddy Curry to the Knicks

Hope this ends better than that situation did for the team-with-leverage

DickAllen72
08-10-2009, 07:00 PM
I love KW!! First Peavy now Rios
I've said it before and I'll say it again, KW is my favorite GM of all time and one of the best GMs in baseball. He's my kind of guy--I love his approach.

It's great the Sox finally have a real, live major league caliber centerfielder. I always liked Rios, although recently I've read some things on both Sox and Jays message boards that he sometimes doesn't hustle and he's supposedly afraid of walls. I hope that's either false or exagerated.

Anyway, he's easily the best defensive outfielder the sox have, will be one of their top base-stealers and if he regains his form with the bat could be an all-star.

veeter
08-10-2009, 07:02 PM
Something had to be done about the defense. Great job Kenny. There have been a handful of guys, on the cusp, that have come to Sox and really thrived. Rios fits the mold.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 07:02 PM
Wow! I love the part of giving nothing up for him!

except a lotta money

tstrike2000
08-10-2009, 07:02 PM
I'm concerned about that amount of salary the Sox are taking on, but the flipside is he's a solid to very good player when going well.

ChiSox89
08-10-2009, 07:02 PM
I can't wait to 2010 but i think we still have a chance this year to do some damage with peavy and now rios

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 07:03 PM
I'm concerned about that amount of salary the Sox are taking on, but the flipside is he's a solid to very good player when going well.
With Peavy, BUehrle, Danks, Floyd, and ? as the rotation for the next 3 years, I think it's safe to say the Sox will contend every year and thus draw so money won't be an issue.

mccoydp
08-10-2009, 07:04 PM
This is a very, very good move. Kudos to Kenny for pulling this off. Things definitely look good for 2010 and beyond.

Redus Redux
08-10-2009, 07:04 PM
Who sits? Our leadoff hitter or our sluggers?

Pretty killer lineup vs. lefties for sure though. Improves defense at the very least on those days. Well pretty much each day Rios plays it will improve.




I think we're looking at a similar situation to last year where they revolve people like they did with Griffey/Swish/Wise and perhaps wait to see if someone falters.


Yet it's bigger stakes now with CQ and Thome being the revolvees...

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 07:04 PM
Oh and Peavy kept saying over and over again in his press conference that he had never seen an organization so "committed to winning." I think this is what he's talking about from his conversions with Kenny.

tstrike2000
08-10-2009, 07:05 PM
With Peavy, BUehrle, Danks, Floyd, and ? as the rotation for the next 3 years, I think it's safe to say the Sox will contend every year and thus draw so money won't be an issue.

I'm right there with ya and hope you're right.

Warriorjan
08-10-2009, 07:05 PM
Rios has an awful contract, though, requiring lots of money in future years. He better pan out.

gr8mexico
08-10-2009, 07:05 PM
Stupid Cheap White Sox!!! Jake Paevy and now this.

Rohan
08-10-2009, 07:05 PM
This creates competition in a struggling outfield. Exactly what we need. Huge move by Kenny Williams.

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 07:06 PM
Kenny and Jerry are cheap

Rockabilly
08-10-2009, 07:06 PM
I wonder what else KW has got up his sleeve for this season and the future

kevingrt
08-10-2009, 07:07 PM
This creates competition in a struggling outfield. Exactly what we need. Huge move by Kenny Williams.

Agree. A struggling offensive team in general. Just another piece to a very weird, convoluted puzzle.

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 07:07 PM
:whiteflag: <-- what we're never going to see so long as Kenny is GM!:bandance:

ChicagoG19
08-10-2009, 07:07 PM
How does Kenny do it? He got Rios for nothing?:scratch: Whatever... this is great.

DaveFeelsRight
08-10-2009, 07:08 PM
How does Kenny do it? He got Rios for nothing?:scratch: Whatever... this is great.i think its cause we're already taking on his huge contract.

Taliesinrk
08-10-2009, 07:08 PM
Who sits? Our leadoff hitter or our sluggers?

Pretty killer lineup vs. lefties for sure though. Improves defense at the very least on those days. Well pretty much each day Rios plays it will improve.




I think we're looking at a similar situation to last year where they revolve people like they did with Griffey/Swish/Wise and perhaps wait to see if someone falters.


Yet it's bigger stakes now with CQ and Thome being the revolvees...

Yeah. It'll be interesting, because TCQ is starting to look better. I don't like messing with Pods at the top of the order either as it's been about the only consistency in our offense this year (minus Flash since his initial problems).

soxnut1018
08-10-2009, 07:09 PM
How does Kenny do it? He got Rios for nothing?:scratch: Whatever... this is great.

Not nothing, a WHOLE lotta money.

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 07:09 PM
Yes we have 4 very good outfielders right now, but this fixes our problems for 2010. Thome is gone and Dye is your DH. PK is still at first. I think the question is answered. I'm looking forward to having a DH who can play the field and isn't 1 dimensional.

gr8mexico
08-10-2009, 07:10 PM
Honestly this might be the first off season where we can actually say Kenny wont have much up his sleeves. He has about everything covered for the next couple of years. This one for you KW and Jerry :gulp:

Taliesinrk
08-10-2009, 07:10 PM
I wonder what else KW has got up his sleeve for this season and the future

What else is there to do? Trade for a SP? Maybe a bullpen guy? When was the last time the Sox made a post-deadline trade? I can't imagine much if anything at all happening.

Stoky44
08-10-2009, 07:10 PM
I think this means that Dye or Thome are gone. I bet Dye since he will cost more and is a righty, though I hope they keep him. Will this affect how Dye will play? Remember the last time he was in a final year...bad. Thome or Dye will be gone much like the Big Hurt was displaced in 06.

Also think this means no free agents this winter, they will say we got our free agents in JUly/August. MEaning I see no way Chone comes to the South side.

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 07:11 PM
Honestly this might be the first off season where we can actually say Kenny wont have much up his sleeves. He has about everything covered for the next couple of years. This one for you KW and Jerry :gulp:
Chone Figgins and a 5th starter.

cards press box
08-10-2009, 07:11 PM
So, who sits? Pods or TCQ? I am leaning towards TCQ as Pods is still productive in our lineup.

The Sox will probably rotate seven players (Quentin, Pods, Dye, Rios, Thome, Konerko and Kotsay) for five spots (LF, CF, RF, DH and 1B). It's good for the veteran players because it keeps them fresh and it gives Ozzie options to exploit certain matchups.

Rios will help the Sox, especially on defense.

ShoelessJoeS
08-10-2009, 07:11 PM
Kenny Williams is the MAN!

Rockabilly
08-10-2009, 07:12 PM
What else is there to do? Trade for a SP? Maybe a bullpen guy? When was the last time the Sox made a post-deadline trade? I can't imagine much if anything at all happening.


I would like to see the Sox pick up a 3B. So we can move Alexei to 2nd and Beckham to SS for next year.

I rather see Getz coming off the bench.

1989
08-10-2009, 07:12 PM
No one dislikes this move? I think Rios is a decent player but for the amount of money he is being paid, it is wayy too much and I think his contract is an albatross. First Peavy and now Rios, that's a lot of money committed to two players and I think Rios' contract will come back to hurt the Sox. I hope I'm wrong, but this doesn't seem like a move the Sox should have made.

Rudy Law
08-10-2009, 07:13 PM
So does that move Pods to left and Carlos to the bench? I don't want a hole in the lead-off spot again.


Rios has hit lead off for the Blue Jays a few times...

Chipol
08-10-2009, 07:14 PM
I hope this isn't a dumb question...but would Rios' contract be valued in Canadian dollars? Do we get an 8% discount paying in US?

thomas35forever
08-10-2009, 07:14 PM
I think this means that Dye or Thome are gone. I bet Dye since he will cost more and is a righty, though I hope they keep him. Will this affect how Dye will play? Remember the last time he was in a final year...bad. Thome or Dye will be gone much like the Big Hurt was displaced in 06.

Also think this means no free agents this winter, they will say we got our free agents in JUly/August. MEaning I see no way Chone comes to the South side.
Joe Cowley was on B&B this afternoon saying Dye loves playing here and would take less money to come back. I think Thome's gone.

slavko
08-10-2009, 07:14 PM
Kenny and Jerry are cheap

There should be enough money off the books in '10 to absorb most of the added salaries. (No I don't think they're cheap if that's on your mind.) So management bites the bullet for 7 weeks.

southside rocks
08-10-2009, 07:15 PM
I think this means that Dye or Thome are gone. I bet Dye since he will cost more and is a righty, though I hope they keep him.

On the Score, they said that Cowley told them JD really, really wants to stay with the Sox and that he would tear up the option and re-negotiate a new contract for less per year.

Don't know how true that is, but it's believable.

Quentin, Rios, Pods, and JD: that covers the outfield AND the DH spot next year. It would work.

Thome will catch on with another AL team and DH next year and, I hope, hit #600. But I'll bet a Scout Seat ticket that he won't be back with the Sox. Ozzie wants a speedier lineup and even with PK and/or JD in that lineup, it's faster already.

I never cease to be impressed by Kenny Williams. Hell, we need a statue of HIM on the concourse!

Stoky44
08-10-2009, 07:15 PM
Yes we have 4 very good outfielders right now, but this fixes our problems for 2010. Thome is gone and Dye is your DH. PK is still at first. I think the question is answered. I'm looking forward to having a DH who can play the field and isn't 1 dimensional.


I would not be so sure this will happen. I agree that this is what I would like, but Thome is a lefty, still productive, and will be cheaper. I am not so sure its open and closed that its Dye over Thome. And for that matter if either come back.

Lip Man 1
08-10-2009, 07:15 PM
Rogers take:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-11-rogers-onbaseball-rios-chicagaug11,0,7311371.column

Stoky:

Personally I think Dye is back and Thome and probably Dotel are out the door (I'd regret losing Dotel...) and this better not be the end of things. They still need a long term solution to the black hole at leadoff (Figgins?) and they desperately need a competent 5th starter, doesn't have to be great, doesn't have to be a 20 game winner...just someone who can keep the Sox in a game, pitch more than four innings not weigh 400 pounds and not be over 50.

Lip

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 07:15 PM
The Sox will probably rotate seven players (Quentin, Pods, Dye, Rios, Thome, Konerko and Kotsay) for five spots (LF, CF, RF, DH and 1B). It's good for the veteran players because it keeps them fresh and it gives Ozzie options to exploit certain matchups.

Rios will help the Sox, especially on defense.

No Wise in that OF rotation. I like DeWayne, but he leaves something to be desired as far as consistency goes.

DumpJerry
08-10-2009, 07:16 PM
Oh and Peavy kept saying over and over again in his press conference that he had never seen an organization so "committed to winning." I think this is what he's talking about from his conversions with Kenny.

Well, Peavy did come form the Padres....... Seriously, though, it is great to hear Peavy say this.

Stupid Cheap White Sox!!!Jake Paevy and now this.
:tealtutor:

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 07:16 PM
On the Score, they said that Cowley told them JD really, really wants to stay with the Sox and that he would tear up the option and re-negotiate a new contract for less per year.

Don't know how true that is, but it's believable.


Given the story of how Dye signed with the Sox prior to 2005's season, I definitely would believe it. I love JD!

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 07:17 PM
You know what else? KW is doing the whole, "getting younger" and "getting better" at the same time. Whoa, man.. :bandance::bandance:

BadBobbyJenks
08-10-2009, 07:18 PM
A slap in the face to Pods? Really? He is lucky anyone even signed him.

Another deal that is good for this season and great for the next three.

The black hole of centerfield has now been filled!

JB98
08-10-2009, 07:18 PM
The lineup against right-handed pitching will be interesting.

Against lefties, Quentin DHs and Thome goes to the bench.

Against righties? :scratch:

I think Rios has to play because he solidifies CF. I think Pods has to play because he solidified the leadoff spot. That leaves Quentin or Dye to sit.

In any case, too much talent is a good problem to have. All of a sudden, the bench is much less of a weakness. Kotsay and whichever one of the sluggers sits will be available for late-inning duty. That's a good situation.

soxnut1018
08-10-2009, 07:19 PM
I had a feeling KW was planning something big when he made the fan remark. And I was right! :bandance:

southside rocks
08-10-2009, 07:19 PM
Given the story of how Dye signed with the Sox prior to 2005's season, I definitely would believe it. I love JD!

I love him too.

JD is 35 years old right now, and it's reasonable to think that he'd like to play a couple more years and then retire. He's made some good money ... If he signed a 2-year deal with the Sox, he would finish out his career at 37, which doesn't strike me as odd or unusual. I don't see JD going to 45 -- he's put a lot of miles on those legs. :tongue:

soxnut1018
08-10-2009, 07:20 PM
I also love that every game the Sox will have Thome/Rios/Quentin/Pods/Dye on their bench.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 07:21 PM
They could also shut down Q and give that foot the proper care and time to heal. Even if surgery is required.

Vestigio
08-10-2009, 07:21 PM
Quickly going over our rosters for the past 4 years since the last time we had an everyday CF (Rowand) we had 14 players play the CF position (some more than others)

Podsednik
Wise
Anderson
Kotsay
Owens
Lillibridge
Alexei
Swisher
Griffey
Gonzalez
Terrero
Sweeney
Erstad
Mackowiak

Goose
08-10-2009, 07:21 PM
I also love that every game the Sox will have Thome/Rios/Quentin/Pods/Dye on their bench.

If they are all on the bench, that means there is still room for Wise! :bandance:

southside rocks
08-10-2009, 07:22 PM
The black hole of centerfield has now been filled!

It has, and maybe I'm overthinking things, but when KW moved Brian Anderson to the Red Sox, to me it sent a signal that Kenny was going to deal with the CF situation. By re-homing his best option for that position, KW was turning his attention to that spot, which has been a black hole for 3+ years now.

tstrike2000
08-10-2009, 07:22 PM
Not having DeWayne in CF alone is a plus.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 07:22 PM
Cowley's Twitter:

JD hopes it doesn't mean he's going!

http://twitter.com/cst_sox

rocky biddle
08-10-2009, 07:22 PM
I guess you can spend a dollar when you only have 50 cents.

southside rocks
08-10-2009, 07:23 PM
They could also shut down Q and give that foot the proper care and time to heal. Even if surgery is required.

I wondered about that too. I don't think that TCQ is 100% and now he doesn't have to keep playing on an injury. That's a good possibility!

Milkman43
08-10-2009, 07:23 PM
I was really hoping the Sox were the claiming team. Rios has tons of talent and adds another base stealer to the lineup. I think a change of scenery for him will be huge. Great move.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 07:24 PM
Quickly going over our rosters for the past 4 years since the last time we had an everyday CF (Rowand) we had 14 players play the CF position (some more than others)

Podsednik
Wise
Anderson
Kotsay
Owens
Lillibridge
Alexei
Swisher
Griffey
Gonzalez
Terrero
Sweeney
Erstad
Mackowiak

The names in bold make my eyes bleed

Harry Potter
08-10-2009, 07:24 PM
Cowley's Twitter:

JD hopes it doesn't mean he's going!

http://twitter.com/cst_sox

I hope it doesnt either!

Chicago5oooh
08-10-2009, 07:24 PM
because it's germane to the acquisition what are the odds Wise gets "fatigue" and makes a DL stint til the rosters expand in Sept?

Love the move btw.

Pear-Zin-Ski
08-10-2009, 07:26 PM
I don't like the deal because of the money, but in order to win you have to take risks. Let's hope this one pans out.

What I LOVE about this deal is our bench went from nothing to a VERY serious something in a month. Way to go KW! :gulp:

DumpJerry
08-10-2009, 07:26 PM
because it's germane to the acquisition what are the odds Wise gets "fatigue" and makes a DL stint til the rosters expand in Sept?

Love the move btw.
DFA, get real.

Bulls_Fan
08-10-2009, 07:27 PM
Looks like a win-win for everyone involved. I bet the B-Jays are glad to be rid of the contract.

For me, I'm a little blah on the deal.

rocky biddle
08-10-2009, 07:27 PM
DFA, get real.

I hope, but with the Ozz-a-roo, nothing would surprise me.

LoveYourSuit
08-10-2009, 07:28 PM
Just found about this.

WOW :o:

We gave up nothing and took the entire contract.

Kudos to Kenny and JR!!!

Stepping up like the big boys here. I love it :D:

JB98
08-10-2009, 07:28 PM
They could also shut down Q and give that foot the proper care and time to heal. Even if surgery is required.

I doubt they'll shut him down. It does give them a great backup plan if Q gets hurt again.

102605
08-10-2009, 07:29 PM
Kudos to KW but really Kudos to JR.

I really have a feeling Rios is just having a down year.

Chicago5oooh
08-10-2009, 07:30 PM
DFA, get real.

While I didn't make it apparent I have no undue love for Wise, but it seems like somebody making the decisions likes him and wants to keep him around.

I'm already real I swear,

UChicagoHP
08-10-2009, 07:30 PM
They could also shut down Q and give that foot the proper care and time to heal. Even if surgery is required.

Agreed, and this is what will probably happen before long. Amazing glove, hope that bat has a career year or two in it.

russ99
08-10-2009, 07:30 PM
Rogers take:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-11-rogers-onbaseball-rios-chicagaug11,0,7311371.column

Stoky:

Personally I think Dye is back and Thome and probably Dotel are out the door (I'd regret losing Dotel...) and this better not be the end of things. They still need a long term solution to the black hole at leadoff (Figgins?) and they desperately need a competent 5th starter, doesn't have to be great, doesn't have to be a 20 game winner...just someone who can keep the Sox in a game, pitch more than four innings not weigh 400 pounds and not be over 50.

Lip

Supposedly Pena was acquired to not only help this year but also replace Dotel.

And even if Jenks, Danks and Quentin win arb hearings, their pay raises next year likely wouldn't push the payroll that much higher.

I'd like to think the Sox still have a shot at Figgins without hitting the $120M mark of last season. Besides, getting Peavy and Rios might make the team a bit more appealing to a FA, i.e. get a chance to win.

UofCSoxFan
08-10-2009, 07:32 PM
FWIW worth I called Rios for nothing back in the speculation thread. It made no sense for it to go otherwise. Toronto would only unload him for a salary dump (he still is a good, young player) and in such they wouldn't risk the Sox balking at the deal by demanding lower end prospects.

If only I could pick stocks this well.

KRS1
08-10-2009, 07:32 PM
I love him too.

JD is 35 years old right now, and it's reasonable to think that he'd like to play a couple more years and then retire. He's made some good money ... If he signed a 2-year deal with the Sox, he would finish out his career at 37, which doesn't strike me as odd or unusual. I don't see JD going to 45 -- he's put a lot of miles on those legs. :tongue:

That's exactly what I would do too. Approach him now, tear up the option and extend him for something around 2 year 15M.

Redus Redux
08-10-2009, 07:33 PM
They could also shut down Q and give that foot the proper care and time to heal. Even if surgery is required.

Do we know that he's being pushed too hard? Or just spec?

Stoky44
08-10-2009, 07:34 PM
That's exactly what I would do too. Approach him now, tear up the option and extend him for something around 2 year 15M.

or thome 1 yr 4-5M. I too hope its dye though, just don't think it will be.

Stoky44
08-10-2009, 07:35 PM
Pods does not seem happy.

http://twitter.com/cst_sox

beasly213
08-10-2009, 07:35 PM
I'm thinking TCQ will be a DH more, also we can give Dye a day off here and there, and Pods a day off here and there.

It seems to me that we will be able to get everyone in the lineup pretty consistantly roating everyone around.

I am shocked the White Sox made this move.

DirtySox
08-10-2009, 07:35 PM
The future is looking bright. Good mixture of younger talented players, established veterans, and promising prospects. The way a team needs to be built.

Looking forward to seeing Hudson and Flowers join the mix sometime in the near future.

Bill Naharodny
08-10-2009, 07:35 PM
The names in bold make my eyes bleed

Yeah, I cried when I saw Terrero.

beasly213
08-10-2009, 07:36 PM
Pods does not seem happy.

http://twitter.com/cst_sox

He's right. He didn't complain about this move he said he won't worry about the lineups.

october23sp
08-10-2009, 07:36 PM
Is Dewayne Wise gone? Who plays the OF now? Pods has to stay in the lineup on a consistant basis. TCQ might lose a lot of time just because he has been injured and maybe wants some more resting time?

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 07:37 PM
Do we know that he's being pushed too hard? Or just spec?

Did you see him running the bases over the weekend. It hurt me just watching him.

KRS1
08-10-2009, 07:37 PM
Pods does not seem happy.

http://twitter.com/cst_sox

It just sounds like people were asking him how this affects him, and he'd rather just stay focused on himself and not worry about the things he can't control.

"it would be a waste of energy to worry about lineups."Sounds like a pretty level-headed and rational response to me.

october23sp
08-10-2009, 07:38 PM
"His name is Rios and he dances on the sand."

LoveYourSuit
08-10-2009, 07:38 PM
Pods does not seem happy.

http://twitter.com/cst_sox


Pods should be thankful that the Sox even gave him a shot off the streets.

He should also Thank God his brittle ass has stayed in one piece this long.

I hate it when guys bitch like this.

oeo
08-10-2009, 07:38 PM
Not having DeWayne in CF alone is a plus.

Dewayne's defense has been way overblown. You should be happy you don't have to see Pods out there anymore. Of those 14 guys listed above, he's probably the worst centerfielder of them all. Yes, that means Mackowiak, too.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 07:38 PM
It just sound slike people were asking him how this affect shim, and he'd rather just stay focused on himself and not worry about the things he can't control.



Sounds like a pretty level-headed and rational response to me.

That's what I thought about it too. Scotty has survived and proved valuable.

SoxSpeed22
08-10-2009, 07:38 PM
I like the deal and I also like that we gave up pretty much nothing to get him. This shows how the economy has affected things. Our defense has been brutal aside from Paulie and JD. Rios will need to help in that department. It will be interested to see how Ozzie can put all of this together, but I think that he can.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 07:39 PM
Pods should be thankful that the Sox even gave him a shot off the streets.

He should also Thank God his brittle ass has stayed in one piece this long.

I hate it when guys bitch like this.

I don't really think Pods was bitching.

Stoky44
08-10-2009, 07:40 PM
Pods should be thankful that the Sox even gave him a shot off the streets.

He should also Thank God his brittle ass has stayed in one piece this long.

I hate it when guys bitch like this.


On the flip side the sox would not be where they are now without pods.

Over By There
08-10-2009, 07:40 PM
Pods should be thankful that the Sox even gave him a shot off the streets.

He should also Thank God his brittle ass has stayed in one piece this long.

I hate it when guys bitch like this.

Am I missing something? Didn't sound like Pods was complaining to me.

veeter
08-10-2009, 07:40 PM
I don't really think Pods was bitching.Cowley loves to stir the pot. Why do guys even talk to that *******?

LoveYourSuit
08-10-2009, 07:40 PM
I don't really think Pods was bitching.


Yeah, but the tone of his response did not read/sound right.

He should be excited that the Sox just bettered their chances of winning this year and he being a part of it.

october23sp
08-10-2009, 07:41 PM
I haven't been paying attention to much of this stuff while it was just speculation, but how long is he signed for?

WSox597
08-10-2009, 07:41 PM
You have to be very optimistic for the future. The ownership seems willing to spend, and proved it in spades these last couple of weeks.

First time in years we've had an actual CF, instead of a pretender.

The place will be packed so money shouldn't be a problem. And if the Sox win another WS, the sky is the limit.

I'm not sure what will happen this year, but next year ought to really be something!

asindc
08-10-2009, 07:41 PM
Given the story of how Dye signed with the Sox prior to 2005's season, I definitely would believe it. I love JD!

That's why JD is my favorite current Sox player.

I originally thought that Rios could play some leadoff, but looking at his career numbers and seeing that he does not walk often, maybe he could bat 2nd.

For the rest of the 2009 season:

Pods-LF/CF
Rios- CF/RF/DH
JD- RF/DH
JT- DH
PK- 1B/DH
AJ- C
TCM-SS
Beck-3B
Getz-2B

TCQ gets 4-5 starts a week in OF/DH rotation
Kotsay gets 2-3 starts a week in 1B/OF/DH rotation
Nix gets 2-3 starts a week in 2B/SS/3B rotation
Wise is DFA'ed

2010 season:

Pods- LF/CF
Rios- CF/RF
Becks- SS/2B
Dye- DH/RF
TCQ- RF/DH/LF
Pauly- 1B/DH
AJ- C
TCM- SS/2B
???- 3B

on bench
Kotsay
Getz
Nix
???

KRS1
08-10-2009, 07:41 PM
Pods should be thankful that the Sox even gave him a shot off the streets.

He should also Thank God his brittle ass has stayed in one piece this long.

I hate it when guys bitch like this.

Where exactly was the bitching?

rocky biddle
08-10-2009, 07:41 PM
I don't really think Pods was bitching.

Yeah, sounded like a pretty standard answer to me. I read it as Cowley fishing for a controversial response. But, I loathe Cowley, so maybe I'm just looking for something that's not there.

russ99
08-10-2009, 07:42 PM
That's what I thought about it too. Scotty has survived and proved valuable.

And he'll continue to be valuable. I don't see how this is such a big deal. Maybe one or two extra games off a week for Pods, and IMO, he needs it to stay in optimal shape.

And as a previous poster pointed out, there's no room for lack of execution by the OFs and Thome, with Rios pressing for playing time.

KRS1
08-10-2009, 07:42 PM
Yeah, but the tone of his response did not read/sound right.

He should be excited that the Sox just bettered their chances of winning this year and he being a part of it.

What tone? It was written on twitter and taken from what was likely a much longer quote, chopped up to serve it's purpose.

RedHeadPaleHoser
08-10-2009, 07:43 PM
I got the text from the Score about the pickup, and came here to read up.

I'm happy about the move - and I think KW and the Sox have some good problems going forward.

AFAIC, KW's trying to win THIS YEAR and secure the next few. If that gets Thome a WS ring in Chicago, so be it.

That said, as much as I love Thome, I'd want JD back.

Harry Potter
08-10-2009, 07:43 PM
I find it hard to hate Cowley because the man is a cancer survivor but seriously some of his columns/blogs are absolute horse****

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 07:43 PM
Yeah, but the tone of his response did not read/sound right.

He should be excited that the Sox just bettered their chances of winning this year and he being a part of it.

You have to remember, the tone is filtered through Cowley.

asindc
08-10-2009, 07:44 PM
Pods should be thankful that the Sox even gave him a shot off the streets.

He should also Thank God his brittle ass has stayed in one piece this long.

I hate it when guys bitch like this.

Reading that quote, it doesn't sound like bitching to me.

russ99
08-10-2009, 07:44 PM
2010 season:

Pods- LF/CF
Rios- CF/RF
Becks- SS/2B
Dye- DH/RF
TCQ- RF/DH/LF
Pauly- 1B/DH
AJ- C
TCM- SS/2B
???- 3B

on bench
Kotsay
Getz
Nix
???

Gimme Figgins at 3B and move everyone down a spot - Rios down 3 - and a decent OF (maybe Jordan Danks) on the bench, and I'll be a very happy camper.

rocky biddle
08-10-2009, 07:44 PM
I find it hard to hate Cowley because the man is a cancer survivor but seriously some of his columns/blogs are absolute horse****

I don't want the guy to die, just not suck so much at his job.

kidmccarthy
08-10-2009, 07:45 PM
Love this move! Check out the article at fangraphs to make your doubts go away. No better free agent for center would be available. He is gonna hit his prime, and goes from a pitchers park to our little bandbox. Gosh I love Kenny Williams. Compete for this year, and set the future up very well.

Kenny is one move away from building the best Whitesox team ever. 2010:

Figgins, 3b
Beckham, SS
Quentin, RF
Thome or Dye, DH
Konerko or Dye, 1B
Rios, CF
AJ, C
Alexei, 2B
Viciedo/Pods LF

Peavy, Buehrle, Floyd, Danks, Hudson

Chicken Dinner
08-10-2009, 07:45 PM
With Pods batting .297 and Wise at .200, this is a no brainer!

october23sp
08-10-2009, 07:45 PM
Gimme Figgins at 3B and move everyone down a spot, and a decent OF (maybe Jordan Danks) on the bench, and I'll be a very happy camper.

And the Sox will be World Series Champions.

Harry Potter
08-10-2009, 07:45 PM
Gimme Figgins at 3B and move everyone down a spot, and a decent OF (maybe Jordan Danks) on the bench, and I'll be a very happy camper.

And a decent 5th starter (if only to hold the spot warm until Hudson arrives)

soxinem1
08-10-2009, 07:47 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, KW is my favorite GM of all time and one of the best GMs in baseball. He's my kind of guy--I love his approach.

It's great the Sox finally have a real, live major league caliber centerfielder. I always liked Rios, although recently I've read some things on both Sox and Jays message boards that he sometimes doesn't hustle and he's supposedly afraid of walls. I hope that's either false or exagerated.

Anyway, he's easily the best defensive outfielder the sox have, will be one of their top base-stealers and if he regains his form with the bat could be an all-star.

Rios may be in CF for this year, but my thinking is he may be in RF for 2010, as that is where he has played the most.

Having one of the best arms in MLB patrolling RF probably means Dye's days in RF are over, and Thome's days in Chicago are through.

But all in all, a change of scenery may well benefit this guy.

Before this I was wondering if Kotsay was going to be our annual 'Washed-up-as-a-regular CF but can play CF for the White Sox' pick up for the season!

JB98
08-10-2009, 07:50 PM
I don't think Pods was bitching. He was probably asked to comment on a possible loss of playing time, and he declined to do so. That doesn't mean he's upset. He's just not going to answer loaded questions.

asindc
08-10-2009, 07:52 PM
Love this move! Check out the article at fangraphs to make your doubts go away. No better free agent for center would be available. He is gonna hit his prime, and goes from a pitchers park to our little bandbox. Gosh I love Kenny Williams. Compete for this year, and set the future up very well.

Kenny is one move away from building the best Whitesox team ever. 2010:

Figgins, 3b
Beckham, SS
Quentin, RF
Thome or Dye, DH
Konerko or Dye, 1B
Rios, CF
AJ, C
Alexei, 2B
Viciedo/Pods LF

Peavy, Buehrle, Floyd, Danks, Hudson

I could live with that lineup, but I would rather have Rios bat 2nd to get his 20-35 SB potential in that spot.

southside rocks
08-10-2009, 07:52 PM
Yeah, but the tone of his response did not read/sound right.

He should be excited that the Sox just bettered their chances of winning this year and he being a part of it.

*****. Cowley has 140 characters to work with on Twitter, how much "tone" do you think can be contained in that? :rolleyes:

DumpJerry
08-10-2009, 07:53 PM
I'm thinking the person most excited about this news is Patrick Kane.

DirtySox
08-10-2009, 07:54 PM
Rios may be in CF for this year, but my thinking is he may be in RF for 2010, as that is where he has played the most.

Having one of the best arms in MLB patrolling RF probably means Dye's days in RF are over, and Thome's days in Chicago are through.

But all in all, a change of scenery may well benefit this guy.

Before this I was wondering if Kotsay was going to be our annual 'Washed-up-as-a-regular CF but can play CF for the White Sox' pick up for the season!

Rios is so much more valuable as a CF. After the end of this year I would be shocked to see him in a corner.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 07:55 PM
I'm thinking the person most excited about this news is Patrick Kane.

lol.. no kidding. Knocked the evening drive talk away from that drama

southside rocks
08-10-2009, 07:55 PM
Rios may be in CF for this year, but my thinking is he may be in RF for 2010, as that is where he has played the most.

Having one of the best arms in MLB patrolling RF probably means Dye's days in RF are over, and Thome's days in Chicago are through.



Quite a few think that Rios owns CF for the next 5 years. Putting him there, which is his natural position, may even enable Dye to play another year in RF, since Rios is a good deal better than Pods and that will help the corner outfielders too.

I agree about Thome, I never saw him coming back after this season. The Sox are determined to break up that logjam in the heart of the order, and Thome's departure will do that.

I have nothing but respect for Slugger Jim and I hope to attend his HOF inauguration one day, even if he goes in wearing an Indians cap.

Noneck
08-10-2009, 07:57 PM
First I would like to thank the person that convinced the chairman that you have to spend a dime in order to make a quarter.

I've read all suggestions on how to get everyone playing time. I assume Wise is cut. I say its time now for Thome to get his glove out of storage. This way you can put PK in the musical chairs rotation for the rest of the year. Now rather than Thome, Rios, PK, Pod, Dye or Quentin getting less time, its Kotsey. And if Thome gets hurt playing, its not the end of the world now.

southside rocks
08-10-2009, 07:58 PM
I've read all suggestions on how to get everyone playing time. I assume Wise is cut. I say its time now for Thome to get his glove out of storage. This way you can put PK in the musical chairs rotation for the rest of the year. Now rather than Thome, Rios, PK, Pod, Dye or Quentin getting less time, its Kotsey. And if Thome gets hurt playing, its not the end of the world now.

Oh please, no. Why would you choose to make your infield defense WORSE?

hi im skot
08-10-2009, 07:58 PM
Please don't take #15, please don't take #15, please don't take #15...

:praying:

DumpJerry
08-10-2009, 07:58 PM
First I would like to thank the person that convinced the chairman that you have to spend a dime in order to make a quarter.

I've read all suggestions on how to get everyone playing time. I assume Wise is cut. I say its time now for Thome to get his glove out of storage. This way you can put PK in the musical chairs rotation for the rest of the year. Now rather than Thome, Rios, PK, Pod, Dye or Quentin getting less time, its Kotsey. And if Thome gets hurt playing, its not the end of the world now.
Thome will not be breaking out the leather. Kotsay is Konerko's backup at First.

Jjav829
08-10-2009, 07:59 PM
Wow. So it actually happened. Rios' contract worries me a bit, but I've always liked him as a player. He's a nice combination of speed and power.

We've finally found our CF for the future. :gulp:

You have to love Kenny. This is another ballsy move.

WhiteSox1989
08-10-2009, 08:00 PM
Please don't take #15, please don't take #15, please don't take #15...

:praying:

I second this.

southside rocks
08-10-2009, 08:00 PM
We've finally found our CF for the future. :gulp:



Yes ... His initials are AR ... :tongue:

Boondock Saint
08-10-2009, 08:01 PM
Yes ... His initials are AR ... :tongue:

Careful...

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 08:01 PM
Yes ... His initials are AR ... :tongue:
Alexei Ramirez?

BadBobbyJenks
08-10-2009, 08:03 PM
Let's reflect on what Kenny has done the past month shall we:

Found Dotel's replacement for 5.5 million less in Tony Pena for Brandon Allen.
Added a Cy Young Award winner in Jake Peavy who is signed until 2012 for Clayton Richard and Aaron Poreda who may both be career relievers.
Added a former All Star 28 year old centerfielder for nothing.

I wouldn't trade KW for anything. :gulp:

Hitmen77
08-10-2009, 08:03 PM
Rios is going to play CF. The question is when are the other guys going to play. Pods should never step foot in CF again.

I think they'll rotate off days between Pods, Quentin, Dye, Rios, and Thome. These guys will all get adequate playing time plus they'll get much needed days off.

Wow! I love the part of giving nothing up for him!

except a lotta money

I know you put this in small font (I'm bolding this, not you), but that is one thing I'm concerned about. I don't want the Sox payroll to be hamstrung for the next 5 years because of huge contracts that looked good in 2009.

....but fiscal responsibility is one of JR's and KW's strong points. I really can't imagine the Sox took the plunge with Rios without Reinsdorf and Williams taking a long, serious look at their payroll and funds.

Jjav829
08-10-2009, 08:04 PM
Quite a few think that Rios owns CF for the next 5 years. Putting him there, which is his natural position, may even enable Dye to play another year in RF, since Rios is a good deal better than Pods and that will help the corner outfielders too.

I agree about Thome, I never saw him coming back after this season. The Sox are determined to break up that logjam in the heart of the order, and Thome's departure will do that.

I have nothing but respect for Slugger Jim and I hope to attend his HOF inauguration one day, even if he goes in wearing an Indians cap.

Rios will be in CF. He's only been playing RF in Toronto because Wells is one of the best centerfielders in the game. He's more valuable in CF, and it's a position where he is needed the most.

The only issue I have with Thome leaving is it makes this team very right-handed in the heart of the order. Let's say the Sox bring back Dye and Pods. Pods and Quentin can share DH duties (given Quentin's injury history, he may be a future DH). The only problem is that we go back to the days of the right-handed heavy lineup.

But man...Peavy and Rios. Can I say one more time that I love Kenny Williams. :D:

WhiteSox1989
08-10-2009, 08:04 PM
Simply said: I love Kenny Williams.


But seriously, Rios better not take 15.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 08:05 PM
Simply said: I love Kenny Williams.


But seriously, Rios better not take 15.

He CAN'T! My Beckham jersey is on its way!

DirtySox
08-10-2009, 08:06 PM
According to Cowley, Kenny was trying to trade for Rios at the trade deadline.

KW also got a Jay walking ticket today.


http://twitter.com/cst_sox/status/3235102026

http://twitter.com/cst_sox/status/3235208589

bacon
08-10-2009, 08:07 PM
he's definitely not getting my number!

thomas35forever
08-10-2009, 08:07 PM
he's definitely not getting my number!
It can't be. Can it?:o:

KRS1
08-10-2009, 08:08 PM
He CAN'T! My Beckham jersey is on its way!

If it changes, just refuse shipping, cancel your order and notify your CC company.

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 08:08 PM
It can't be. Can it?:o:
The server would explode if it were.

Harry Potter
08-10-2009, 08:08 PM
he's definitely not getting my number!

Cant believe it took this long for someone to register this username

Noneck
08-10-2009, 08:09 PM
KW also got a Jay walking ticket today.





Where ? In Chicago?

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 08:09 PM
It can't be. Can it?:o:

Gordon has better things to do!

WhiteSox1989
08-10-2009, 08:09 PM
He CAN'T! My Beckham jersey is on its way!
Same here. And I have a jersey shirt.

southside rocks
08-10-2009, 08:09 PM
The only issue I have with Thome leaving is it makes this team very right-handed in the heart of the order. Let's say the Sox bring back Dye and Pods. Pods and Quentin can share DH duties (given Quentin's injury history, he may be a future DH). The only problem is that we go back to the days of the right-handed heavy lineup.



I have faith in Chris Getz.

Okay, well, not to hit for power, maybe. But I do like Chris a lot, and I expect him to improve with experience/maturity, and he is a lefty bat.

Maybe AJ can become the left-handed power hitter! Mild teal.

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 08:10 PM
Patrick Kane needs to buy Kenny a steak dinner. Holmes has something else to talk about besides him right now.

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 08:10 PM
Same here. And I have a jersey shirt.
I even got one already. Rios can't take #15.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 08:13 PM
Wow! Per Cowley, Kenny was working on a deal for Rios at the deadline, couldn't get it done. So Kenny decided to go for it on waivers. And got it done without any players going to Toronto!

Take that, stupid other dome!

Jjav829
08-10-2009, 08:14 PM
Kenny on MLB Network right now.

WhiteSox1989
08-10-2009, 08:15 PM
Kenny on MLB Network right now.

I'm laughing so hard at that picture.

thomas35forever
08-10-2009, 08:16 PM
I'm laughing so hard at that picture.
Yeah. He needs to lose that 'stache.

soxnut1018
08-10-2009, 08:18 PM
Maybe AR should be #33.

KRS1
08-10-2009, 08:19 PM
Yeah. He needs to lose that 'stache.

The stache is fine, it's the way they cut his face on the right where it looks like his head is misshapen like Griffey's on the Simpsons.

BadBobbyJenks
08-10-2009, 08:19 PM
Well KW addressed those payroll concerns during the interview saying there are none.

What a stupid way of phrasing that question from the host.

Chicken Dinner
08-10-2009, 08:21 PM
Maybe AR should be #33.

We have seen #33 patrolling center field before.

soxfan21
08-10-2009, 08:21 PM
Well, I'm excited.

jsg-07
08-10-2009, 08:27 PM
Really not much to say here but THANK YOU KENNY!!

I really like our position for the next few years...

:bandance::gulp::bandance::gulp::bandance:

soxnut1018
08-10-2009, 08:28 PM
We have seen #33 patrolling center field before.

I don't remember him, probably just some nobody.

VeeckAsInWreck
08-10-2009, 08:29 PM
Kenny you sly dog!!!! This is how it's done people. You build for now AND the future.

You know things are going good when you're not counting down to football season.

Cheers to Kenny. A man who deserves to be the Executive Of The Year :gulp:

Waysouthsider
08-10-2009, 08:30 PM
Wow.....KW is on the ball again....Rios has a great upside and he's young.....Once Abuelo's salary is gone next year, its a wash, eh?

For the outfield, you gotta wonder how plays next years contracts, probably no Thome for sure...and now this would indicate that JD is on the move too....Hate to see him go....he's been great for the Sox....you do have to wonder what's been up with his head the last few games, though....wonder what's going on, there....maybe this move means something else is up with JD? Do you gamble on Pods staying healthy and have a Pods, CQ, and Rios outfield....that could be pretty smokin.....!

Right now, this will allow Ozzie to manage his outfield in a way that preserves everyone for the long post-season run I hope we're in for this year!

Guess this means good-bye to D Wise, though?

Our next games: Red Sox over labor day....can't wait!

Go Sox....!!!!

:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance: :bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 08:31 PM
Kenny Williams on the Score coming up.. after 7:30 supposedly

SoxFan1979
08-10-2009, 08:32 PM
After driving 9hrs to MN I come and find out some great news. This is going to be tough for Ozzie moving around the OF. I just hope it works out for the Sox.

Welcome to Chitown Alex!!!

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 08:32 PM
yep, and he really did get a j-walking ticket. That's hilarious. He stole from the Jays too.

thedudeabides
08-10-2009, 08:33 PM
I'm just very excited to finally have a real centerfielder. I think Rios could end up being a dangerous hitter in our park, and hopefully being in a better situation gives him a spark. He can steal bases and hits a ton of doubles.

This really puts Kenny in a great spot this offseason. He'll have to make a tough decision or two, but he has a lot of flexibility.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2009, 08:33 PM
After driving 9hrs to MN I come and find out some great news. This is going to be tough for Ozzie moving around the OF. I just hope it works out for the Sox.

Welcome to Chitown Alex!!!

Kenny says if the Sox win, then no one will have to worry about being moved. Light a little fire, KW!

soxnut1018
08-10-2009, 08:33 PM
yep, and he really did get a j-walking ticket. That's hilarious. He stole from the Jays too.

AJ walking? IMPOSSIBLE!

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 08:34 PM
AJ walking? IMPOSSIBLE!
http://talentedapps.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/kijinnmaru-inconceivable.jpg

WhiteSox1989
08-10-2009, 08:35 PM
I just LOVE Kenny Williams.

You sly dog, you.

voodoochile
08-10-2009, 08:36 PM
Great news all around.

You hear that clicking? That's the sound of season ticket holders picking up next year's option.

dakuda
08-10-2009, 08:39 PM
Great news all around.

You hear that clicking? That's the sound of season ticket holders picking up next year's option.

Unfortunately, I still can't pick up next year. This is the last year for me. It is just going to cost too much to buy solo.

Soxman219
08-10-2009, 08:40 PM
JUST HEARD THE GOOD NEWS!:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

Next Year Looks VERY VERY GOOD!

KRS1
08-10-2009, 08:42 PM
You hear that clicking? That's the sound of season ticket holders picking up next year's option.

Thank God, I thought it was my ear monster acting up again.

Baron
08-10-2009, 08:47 PM
Thank you Kenny:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

southside rocks
08-10-2009, 08:51 PM
Unfortunately, I still can't pick up next year. This is the last year for me. It is just going to cost too much to buy solo.

Try the Ozzie Plan. I've had it for several years and I'm happy with it!

And yes, I'll be renewing in 2010 ...

GoGoCrede
08-10-2009, 08:55 PM
If Rios takes #15, the people who already ordered Beckham jerseys will have something really valuable. Just trying to make you all feel better. :D:

Oh, Kenny, you make me feel spoiled. :D:

hawkjt
08-10-2009, 08:57 PM
This is what you call a GM taking advantage of timing,and being prescient enough to plan ahead last offseason...

Kenny saw the economy was going to be horrible his season and held his cards,cut salary by more than any other team...and positioned himself to pick up guys from other teams that were loaded with big salaries and no prospects of winning.

Now, the economy is already showing some signs of picking up by next season, and he has already made his moves,before the price of playing poker goes up with Peavy and Rios.
He got lucky with Gordon, and Getz to some extent...Danks and Floyd and Carlos and Alexei were previous good moves...
This even ties into the possible october announcement of Chicago getting the olympics...they are the betting favorite..a lot of olympic building and development will be on the near south side, and that will start soon...the re-vitalization of that area will dovetail nicely with a renovated roster and a succcessful Sox team the next 3-4 years, building even more value in the team and adding to the fan base....I love when a big picture plan comes into place..

As for Rios, I look for his offensive numbers to take off playing in a smaller ballpark(warning track power in Toronto),and he will have fresher legs not playing on asphalt half the time...that is wearing him down in Toronto.

This works from every angle...winning this year would be a big bonus,tho.
Tip of the hat to Kenny,who picked a carcass of the Jays for the best asset,and Jerry, who also knows how important timing is in the business world...now, lets go out and win a division:D:

october23sp
08-10-2009, 08:58 PM
If Rios takes #15, the people who already ordered Beckham jerseys will have something really valuable. Just trying to make you all feel better. :D:

Oh, Kenny, you make me feel spoiled. :D:

I didn't just order it, I have had it for a month and a half now so I got my wear out of it. Just like I did with my Griffey jersey.

jsg-07
08-10-2009, 08:59 PM
This is what you call a GM taking advantage of timing,and being prescient enough to plan ahead last offseason...

Kenny saw the economy was going to be horrible his season and held his cards,cut salary by more than any other team...and positioned himself to pick up guys from other teams that were loaded with big salaries and no prospects of winning.

Now, the economy is already showing some signs of picking up by next season, and he has already made his moves,before the price of playing poker goes up with Peavy and Rios.
He got lucky with Gordon, and Getz to some extent...Danks and Floyd and Carlos and Alexei were previous good moves...
This even ties into the possible october announcement of Chicago getting the olympics...they are the betting favorite..a lot of olympic building and development will be on the near south side, and that will start soon...the re-vitalization of that area will dovetail nicely with a renovated roster and a succcessful Sox team the next 3-4 years, building even more value in the team and adding to the fan base....I love when a big picture plan comes into place..

As for Rios, I look for his offensive numbers to take off playing in a smaller ballpark(warning track power in Toronto),and he will have fresher legs not playing on asphalt half the time...that is wearing him down in Toronto.

This works from every angle...winning this year would be a big bonus,tho.
Tip of the hat to Kenny,who picked a carcass of the Jays for the best asset,and Jerry, who also knows how important timing is in the business world...now, lets go out and win a division:D:
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon14.gif

thomas35forever
08-10-2009, 09:02 PM
How do you respond to this? I would, but I wanna hear what others have to say.
haha who says quentin wants to rest? you sure cant sit pods...JD isnt sittin....you cant DH him over thome....not to mention the 5 years 60 some odd million hes making... add that to the peavy contract...your gonna lose alot of BIG pieces next year to be able to afford these two...say goodbye to thome, possibly dye and possibly jenks. and do you really think pods is gonna be playing this good next year? ur nuts if you do. i woulda cleaned up that rotation mess before doing this... you still got 3 weeks or so until ur saving grace peavy comes back...who knows, you keep pitchin bad you could be outta this playoff race by the time he returns.

35th&Shields
08-10-2009, 09:05 PM
To me this is nothing more than another example of Kenny's modus operandi: he will do whatever he can, whenever he can to improve the ballclub.

Scotty Pods, if he is objective about it, should be very, very thankful to KW for dusting him off the scrap heap and giving him another chance. Without that chance his career is probably over, not rejuvenated.

Dwyane Wise knew his time on the CWS was probably short lived. At best he would have been on the team through only the end of this season. It's too bad, I like D-Wise, he seems like a nice guy who maximized his talent and his opportunities. But I think D-Wise is the one who gets cut.

voodoochile
08-10-2009, 09:08 PM
How do you respond to this? I would, but I wanna hear what others have to say.
You feed the trolls, they win...

GoGoCrede
08-10-2009, 09:08 PM
Sorry if this was answered already, but who was sent down? Nix?

voodoochile
08-10-2009, 09:09 PM
Sorry if this was answered already, but who was sent down? Nix?

Would leave the infield very thin.

jsg-07
08-10-2009, 09:09 PM
How do you respond to this? I would, but I wanna hear what others have to say.

That speach from the principle in "Billy Madison" after Billy's answer to the industrial revolution question comes to mind...

Edit:

Found it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

GoGoCrede
08-10-2009, 09:11 PM
Would leave the infield very thin.

Oh, okay. I think I read a couple pages back that he was sent down. My bad!

Ron Karkovice
08-10-2009, 09:11 PM
That speach from the principle in "Billy Madison" after Billy's answer to the industrial revolution question comes to mind...

Billy: "A simple no would have been just fine, but alright.."


and it wasn't the principle! Just the game show host.



GO RIOS!:gulp:

gobears1987
08-10-2009, 09:12 PM
No one has been announced yet, but I'd assume Wise goes down.

BRDSR
08-10-2009, 09:13 PM
Alexei Ramirez?

No. Alexei Ramirez' initials are TCM.

Viva Medias B's
08-10-2009, 09:13 PM
Let's see if Brooks can come up with an Alex Rios commercial topping this one (http://www.glossyinc.com/partners/bluejayspebble.html).

jsg-07
08-10-2009, 09:15 PM
Billy: "A simple no would have been just fine, but alright.."


and it wasn't the principle! Just the game show host.



GO RIOS!:gulp:

Gotcha... I thought the host was the Principle..

thomas35forever
08-10-2009, 09:16 PM
Let's see if Brooks can come up with an Alex Rios commercial topping this one (http://www.glossyinc.com/partners/bluejayspebble.html).
That. Is. Awesome.

Red Barchetta
08-10-2009, 09:16 PM
On the Score, they said that Cowley told them JD really, really wants to stay with the Sox and that he would tear up the option and re-negotiate a new contract for less per year.

Don't know how true that is, but it's believable.

Quentin, Rios, Pods, and JD: that covers the outfield AND the DH spot next year. It would work.

Thome will catch on with another AL team and DH next year and, I hope, hit #600. But I'll bet a Scout Seat ticket that he won't be back with the Sox. Ozzie wants a speedier lineup and even with PK and/or JD in that lineup, it's faster already.

I never cease to be impressed by Kenny Williams. Hell, we need a statue of HIM on the concourse!

I see Thome retiring as an Indian. He will hit his 600 home runs and call it a hall of fame career. Resign Dye as the primary DH and you also get a player who can play OF and help rest a player while staying in the lineup. Dye is ours! He is our World Series MVP and has been a consistent player. I hope we keep him.

Viva Medias B's
08-10-2009, 09:17 PM
Yeah. He needs to lose that 'stache.

I haven't seen this, but other pics of Kenny suggest he might want to go to Walgreen's and pick up the stuff Walt Frazier and Keith Hernandez keep hawking.

russ99
08-10-2009, 09:17 PM
Sorry if this was answered already, but who was sent down? Nix?

Not announced yet, and the Nix thing was a (failed) joke by me, considering Ozzie's obvious love of all things Wise.

The only way Wise stays up is if they send a pitcher down, which is possible since they're skipping the 5 spot this next turn. But I wouldn't bet on it.

Would another team actually pick up Wise when DFA'd? Seems to me he'll clear waivers and come back in Sept.

Ron Karkovice
08-10-2009, 09:18 PM
Gotcha... I thought the host was the Principle..

principle = http://www.whosyourchampion.com/pix/ChampionPrimary/images/349.jpg




Alex Rios = http://noahhunt.org/AlexRios/AlexisRios2008Season.jpg

whitesoxfan
08-10-2009, 09:18 PM
I'd assume Wise has to be DFA'd for the corresponding move. That's the only thing that makes sense.

This acquisition grew on me the more and more I heard about it. I don't know if it was blind optimism or what, but I think he'll play a good CF for us. He's still not worth the money that he's getting but if Kenny and JR are fine with the contract, then they more than I do. It's a good thing we do have either the CF or RF spot locked up for quite some time.

soxnut1018
08-10-2009, 09:19 PM
I LOVE Kenny!
Laurence Holmes said, "Not mincing words, the White Sox are going it for it, right?"
Kenny replied, "I was saying that before Spring Training, just no one was listening."

spawn
08-10-2009, 09:19 PM
This move sucks and reeks of desperation. What the hell is KW and JR doing? Have they lost their ever-loving minds? This move along with the Peavy move will hamstring this team for years to come!:angry::angry::angry:





Psyche! :rolling: I love KW. Even if this move blows up in his face, You have to love KW for doing whatever he feels is necessary to improve the ballclub. Kudos Kenny.:gulp:

rocky biddle
08-10-2009, 09:20 PM
How do you respond to this? I would, but I wanna hear what others have to say.

Tell him he should use capital letters.

balke
08-10-2009, 09:20 PM
Haven't had a chance to read the thread, just throwing out my honest opinion.

With the money coming off the books soon, and with the idea of competing while refreshing this team... great move.

For all the bellyaching about CF going back to at least Willie Harris... this to me is a fantastic move.


Try to talk down Rios' numbers or his defensive play, you cannot argue the Sox didn't just get better. Dewayne Wise is likely off the team, and the Sox have a great outfield WITH DEPTH.

This isn't about Scott Podsednik's homerun chase, or whatever the guys in the clubhouse might be whining about by losing playing time. Thome and Quentin are not healthy enough it seems to be playing non-stop. Jermaine is looking beat up lately as his avg. went from the .300 range to around .275.

I think this is the right move at the right time. Get Pods glove out of CF against teams like Minnesota, and get Wise off the team so Ozzie can't play him as much as he does.

Now there's a 28 year old all around player with a big upside who is under contract til 2014? Yes he costs money, but Darin Erstad could be coming back yet again if Kenny doesn't sign this guy. GO Sox, great move.

Harry Potter
08-10-2009, 09:21 PM
principal

Ron Karkovice
08-10-2009, 09:22 PM
principal

Thanks you quidditch player you.

BRDSR
08-10-2009, 09:23 PM
Let's see if Brooks can come up with an Alex Rios commercial topping this one (http://www.glossyinc.com/partners/bluejayspebble.html).

Haha...all three of those are pretty good.

This club has come a long way since July 31, 1997. I hate to see the team lose, but I'd rather see them lose trying to win than see them lose when they're resigned to losing.

Edit: It occurs to me...I'd rather just see them win.

october23sp
08-10-2009, 09:23 PM
XovoAKVOPOM

Noneck
08-10-2009, 09:25 PM
Sorry if this was answered already, but who was sent down? Nix?
Rios wont be with the club till tomorrow. It makes no sense to make a cut till after todays game. We will see after the game.