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BadBobbyJenks
08-05-2009, 02:54 AM
I had not heard anything about this kid until recently with this ridiculous streak he is on allowing 0 earned runs in 5 out of his last 6 starts.

What did he project out of College when we drafted him?
Does anyone having scouting reports, what does he feature?
Has anyone seen him?

What jumps out me the most is the 142/25 K/BB ratio. Disgusting.

So was I asleep on Hudson or was he suppose to be a top prospect?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Edit: Well this was a good start http://futuresox.com/frontpage/?p=876 from the thread down the page.

Thanks.

hawkjt
08-05-2009, 08:38 AM
Saturday the Sox need a spot starter. DJ Carrasco pitched well last nite for 4 innings. Will it be him again? or Torres again? or possibly Hudson? But I guess that he would have only 3 days rest...so Torres? Hudson has to be under consideration for a sept callup if they need a starter,maybe?

EMachine10
08-05-2009, 09:38 AM
Hudson has been fairly dominant in all 3 of his minor league stops this season. From what I hear he has 4 pitches and uses them well. I can see him getting a cup of coffee in September, but I don't see much use in throwing him into a spot start right now. Torres looked just fine in his start.

Hitmen77
08-05-2009, 10:19 AM
Should the Sox consider moving him up from AA to AAA Charlotte now?

jabrch
08-05-2009, 11:56 AM
Should the Sox consider moving him up from AA to AAA Charlotte now?

Didn't he just recently get called up to AA? No reason to move him to AAA - there is good competition at AA.

Randar68
08-05-2009, 11:58 AM
Should the Sox consider moving him up from AA to AAA Charlotte now?

Kid started the season in Kannapolis. I don't think there is so urgent a need anywhere int he system to rush him further. Let him finish the year at AA, IMO... pitch in the playoffs, finish on a high note.

DirtySox
08-05-2009, 12:25 PM
I doubt Hudson would be called up to pitch on 3 days rest.

Huddy has been flat out dominant in AA. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to AAA at some point to finish out the season. He might be the Sox 5th starter at some point next year.

Hitmen77
08-05-2009, 12:36 PM
Didn't he just recently get called up to AA? No reason to move him to AAA - there is good competition at AA.

Kid started the season in Kannapolis. I don't think there is so urgent a need anywhere int he system to rush him further. Let him finish the year at AA, IMO... pitch in the playoffs, finish on a high note.

Thanks for clarifying. He's had such good numbers that I was thinking he had been at AA for a longer period.

I guess we'll see him in spring training.

DirtySox
08-05-2009, 12:40 PM
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9340

BP has a mention of him seemingly after every start.

jabrch
08-05-2009, 02:13 PM
Thanks for clarifying. He's had such good numbers that I was thinking he had been at AA for a longer period.

I guess we'll see him in spring training.


He easily could be a Sept. call up. But I wouldn't expect to see him throw many innings. It will be interesting to see what the plan is for him next year.

BadBobbyJenks
08-05-2009, 03:39 PM
He is just 22 and said so himself he was surprised to be at AA already. I doubt he moves up to AAA this season. His numbers are tough to ignore though and he admires Josh Beckett. Sounds good to me!

DirtySox
08-06-2009, 12:23 AM
Rumor has it Hudson has been promoted to AAA.

jabrch
08-06-2009, 12:33 AM
Rumor has it Hudson has been promoted to AAA.

Hmmm...seems odd to me. But I trust management to do the right thing.

voodoochile
08-06-2009, 12:39 AM
Hmmm...seems odd to me. But I trust management to do the right thing.

It feels strange to read that and to feel the same way about our minor league system, but recently the quality of players coming up to the majors has made a major jump.

I can't recall the last guy we brought up who completely sucked (well Lillibridge, but he was being forced into action due to injuries).

Williams, Nunez, Beckham, Getz, Torres have all been at least marginally effective in their time with the big league club and obviously two of them are doing solid to great work as starters. I also realize, Williams is a reclamation project and Nunez was just acquired this year, but still, someone in our minor league system is doing a great job of getting people ready to perform when they get called up for whatever reason.

Compared to the disasters of seasons in the past when the Sox were forced to call up minor leaguers this has been a breath of fresh air.

Is it possible the Sox might one day have the dreaded problem of having too much talent? That would truly and totally suck...

Domeshot17
08-06-2009, 01:01 AM
It feels strange to read that and to feel the same way about our minor league system, but recently the quality of players coming up to the majors has made a major jump.

I can't recall the last guy we brought up who completely sucked (well Lillibridge, but he was being forced into action due to injuries).

Williams, Nunez, Beckham, Getz, Torres have all been at least marginally effective in their time with the big league club and obviously two of them are doing solid to great work as starters. I also realize, Williams is a reclamation project and Nunez was just acquired this year, but still, someone in our minor league system is doing a great job of getting people ready to perform when they get called up for whatever reason.

Compared to the disasters of seasons in the past when the Sox were forced to call up minor leaguers this has been a breath of fresh air.

Is it possible the Sox might one day have the dreaded problem of having too much talent? That would truly and totally suck...

Lets not get totally ahead of ourselves. Way too small of a sample size to know whats going on with our minors. Hudson is the BEST example thus far as he was a high round talent who because of a couple reasons dropped a little and we corrected him.

But the rest of the crop is a very iffy crop. Williams is a journeyman, working out on the right time. Beckham, well I doubt he got much coaching in his brief stay. He is just the first prospect we have had in forever with that kind of ceiling. Nunez flew threw, I am excited for him, as he has the entire balance of 2 swisher trades on his shoulders. Getz has been good but hardly special.

We are clearly headed in the right direction, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. I don't think we have crossed the threshold between "having a respectable farm" and "having a farm to brag about and call too talented".

The best thing this team has done with this, however, is Kenny turning the power over to Buddy Bell. Kenny can wheel and deal with anyone, but scouting talent and drafting he was in the bottom of the league. He saw a weakness, brought in Buddy Bell, and Bell has completely turned the ship around. It will be fun to see what the next 2-3 years of drafts can do. Maybe we can finally find talent in the late first and 2nd and 3rd rounds like a lot of good teams do.

doublem23
08-06-2009, 01:38 AM
It will be fun to see what the next 2-3 years of drafts can do. Maybe we can finally find talent in the late first and 2nd and 3rd rounds like a lot of good teams do.

Beckham aside, I'll be happy if they can just find talent in the 1st round.

Domeshot17
08-06-2009, 09:21 AM
Beckham aside, I'll be happy if they can just find talent in the 1st round.

True, but finding talent or havign confidence you can find talent in the Sandwhich Round, round 2, 3 etc. opens up drafting a guy like Mitchell. Mitchell was the anti Kenny Williams pick. He is the anti Broadway. Super High Ceiling with a chance to never make it. Takes some guts to go for a guy like him, a risk reward guy

thedudeabides
08-06-2009, 10:04 AM
True, but finding talent or havign confidence you can find talent in the Sandwhich Round, round 2, 3 etc. opens up drafting a guy like Mitchell. Mitchell was the anti Kenny Williams pick. He is the anti Broadway. Super High Ceiling with a chance to never make it. Takes some guts to go for a guy like him, a risk reward guy

I don't think he was an anti Kenny Williams pick at all. Have you noticed how many former football player, high upside athletes he has taken? Outfield and top of the order hitters have been lacking in the system, so it was a bit of a need.

Poreda was a much more risky pick. He was all upside. McCulloch and Broadway were conservative picks, but it's not like the White Sox have made a habit out of that the last decade. And McCulloch was the 29th overall pick.

Hudson is a good example of the Sox finding talent in the later rounds lately. Along with Richard, Getz, Carter, Jordan Danks, Brandon Allen, and Brent Morel.

I think a lot of this has had more to do with the proper development the last couple of years, as it has with a change in draft philosophy.

...
08-06-2009, 10:25 AM
http://futuresox.com/frontpage/?p=1190

Cangelosi CF
08-06-2009, 10:57 AM
Beckham aside, I'll be happy if they can just find talent in the 1st round. I don't miss the days of Kurt Brown or Grady Hall. :angry:

35th and Shields
08-06-2009, 11:06 AM
http://futuresox.com/frontpage/?p=1190

Wow, great news.

voodoochile
08-06-2009, 11:23 AM
Lets not get totally ahead of ourselves. Way too small of a sample size to know whats going on with our minors. Hudson is the BEST example thus far as he was a high round talent who because of a couple reasons dropped a little and we corrected him.

But the rest of the crop is a very iffy crop. Williams is a journeyman, working out on the right time. Beckham, well I doubt he got much coaching in his brief stay. He is just the first prospect we have had in forever with that kind of ceiling. Nunez flew threw, I am excited for him, as he has the entire balance of 2 swisher trades on his shoulders. Getz has been good but hardly special.

We are clearly headed in the right direction, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. I don't think we have crossed the threshold between "having a respectable farm" and "having a farm to brag about and call too talented".

The best thing this team has done with this, however, is Kenny turning the power over to Buddy Bell. Kenny can wheel and deal with anyone, but scouting talent and drafting he was in the bottom of the league. He saw a weakness, brought in Buddy Bell, and Bell has completely turned the ship around. It will be fun to see what the next 2-3 years of drafts can do. Maybe we can finally find talent in the late first and 2nd and 3rd rounds like a lot of good teams do.

Oh I agree, just think it's great to see people coming up who actually can perform, so I'm a bit giddy. :D: Compared to the mopes we used to see and the never ending parade of failed 5th starters and bullpen chumps the Sox have had to deal with the past several seasons, this year has been pretty cool.

I agree it's WAY too soon to consider our system an elite one, but for someone like me who doesn't follow the minors except for the big prospects and the ones you folks hype (reading about them here in MO), it's been way cool to see unexpected success from several people in the past few months...

Randar68
08-06-2009, 11:24 AM
Don Cooper alluded to Hudson in his weekly spot with Mully and Hanley this morning. When talking about possible spot starters for Saturday's game he mentioned Torres, Carrasco, Whisler, and then "a kid in AA who has been throwing lights out" or something to that affect, surely meaning Hudson.

Interesting.

Jimmy Piersall
08-06-2009, 11:33 AM
Don Cooper alluded to Hudson in his weekly spot with Mully and Hanley this morning. When talking about possible spot starters for Saturday's game he mentioned Torres, Carrasco, Whisler, and then "a kid in AA who has been throwing lights out" or something to that affect, surely meaning Hudson.

Interesting.

Just my two cents here,but i hope they save DJ for relief work.Torres certainly earned a start and if they want to give the Hudson kid a crack
at it that's ok by me as well.But i like Carrasco in the pen for long relief
so he's there if the kids/Contreras fall down.

hawkjt
08-06-2009, 11:42 AM
I heard the Coop interview also...had to laugh as he relegated Hudson to ''that kid in AA''....me thinks Coop is playing possum a bit here.
Now, I do think Torres earned the Saturday shot,but I would also bet that Hudson is on speed dial if Torres bombs or Jose does not pick it up. Sept call-up at the least if there is any weak links in the rotation at that point.

Randar68
08-06-2009, 11:53 AM
I heard the Coop interview also...had to laugh as he relegated Hudson to ''that kid in AA''....me thinks Coop is playing possum a bit here.
Now, I do think Torres earned the Saturday shot,but I would also bet that Hudson is on speed dial if Torres bombs or Jose does not pick it up. Sept call-up at the least if there is any weak links in the rotation at that point.

Yeah, it's possible based on what Coop said and that he's even on the radar. I was of the mind that he would not be used given his fast ascent and the fact that he's never had 15 professional starts in a season (only 14 at Great Falls last year after 13 at Old Dominion)... I would be hesitant to say the least. Unless there is some kind of injury and none of the Contreras, Colon, Garcia, Peavy, Torres guys can fill in, I just don't see why you need to throw a kid like this into a pennant race?

Agree that we need to keep Carrasco healthy enough to save us from some youngin' or Contreras disaster outings...

Torres earned this start for Saturday. Unless it messes up his throwing schedule, I don't see how they go with anyone else?

Coop seemed to think Garcia may be ready by the next time they needed him (after this Saturday). We shall see. Would like to see him get someone other than 20 year olds out, first, but that's just me.!

voodoochile
08-06-2009, 12:00 PM
Yeah, it's possible based on what Coop said and that he's even on the radar. I was of the mind that he would not be used given his fast ascent and the fact that he's never had 15 professional starts in a season (only 14 at Great Falls last year after 13 at Old Dominion)... I would be hesitant to say the least. Unless there is some kind of injury and none of the Contreras, Colon, Garcia, Peavy, Torres guys can fill in, I just don't see why you need to throw a kid like this into a pennant race?

Agree that we need to keep Carrasco healthy enough to save us from some youngin' or Contreras disaster outings...

Torres earned this start for Saturday. Unless it messes up his throwing schedule, I don't see how they go with anyone else?

Coop seemed to think Garcia may be ready by the next time they needed him (after this Saturday). We shall see. Would like to see him get someone other than 20 year olds out, first, but that's just me.!

Torres pitched last Sunday, so if he doesn't start tomorrow, expect him to be called up. The Knights had a day off yesterday so actually Saturday would be his next expected start.

The only question might be that with Bobby not playing the bullpen will be real short if they send down Nunez. The wouldn't be able to recall him for 10 days as you know, so that might factor into the equation, though I don't know if starting Carasco solves that problem anyway as it will burn out the bullpen for the next several days.

Randar68
08-06-2009, 12:17 PM
Torres pitched last Sunday, so if he doesn't start tomorrow, expect him to be called up. The Knights had a day off yesterday so actually Saturday would be his next expected start.

The only question might be that with Bobby not playing the bullpen will be real short if they send down Nunez. The wouldn't be able to recall him for 10 days as you know, so that might factor into the equation, though I don't know if starting Carasco solves that problem anyway as it will burn out the bullpen for the next several days.

Couple of options:

- Send down Nunez and recall a guy like Derek Rodriguez, Harrell, Gobble to fill the roster spot until they need another spot start or they can recall Nunez later. Honestly, given Contreras's recent struggles, they may wish to call up Torres for the spot start and then keep him on in case Contreras melts down again. May need more than one long reliever in the short run
- Put Alexei on the 15-day DL retroactive to July 29 or 30th. (would mean he is out for about another 7-8 days. Will he be back sooner than that? I guess the training staff would be better able to answer that question
- Put Jenks on 15-day DL retroactive to July 26th. He would only be out another few days. Depends again on how he is feeling now and he hasn't even thrown in a week or so, IIRC.

Other options are pretty limited I think.

voodoochile
08-06-2009, 12:27 PM
Couple of options:

- Send down Nunez and recall a guy like Derek Rodriguez, Harrell, Gobble to fill the roster spot until they need another spot start or they can recall Nunez later. Honestly, given Contreras's recent struggles, they may wish to call up Torres for the spot start and then keep him on in case Contreras melts down again. May need more than one long reliever in the short run
- Put Alexei on the 15-day DL retroactive to July 29 or 30th. (would mean he is out for about another 7-8 days. Will he be back sooner than that? I guess the training staff would be better able to answer that question
- Put Jenks on 15-day DL retroactive to July 26th. He would only be out another few days. Depends again on how he is feeling now and he hasn't even thrown in a week or so, IIRC.

Other options are pretty limited I think.

If they DL Ramirez, they would need to recall Lilibridge because right now Alexei is the only backup IF they've got other than Kotsay who can only play 1B.

Calling up Torres becomes even more important with Contreras scheduled to start on Sunday. They may need a long reliever then, so if they start Carasco on Saturday the pen will be shot when Contreras takes the mound the next day.

Randar68
08-06-2009, 01:01 PM
If they DL Ramirez, they would need to recall Lilibridge because right now Alexei is the only backup IF they've got other than Kotsay who can only play 1B.

Calling up Torres becomes even more important with Contreras scheduled to start on Sunday. They may need a long reliever then, so if they start Carasco on Saturday the pen will be shot when Contreras takes the mound the next day.


Forgot about the infield issue. Looks like Nunez or Randy Williams will have to go down unless they decide to put Bobby on the DL. If fact, that might be the smartest thing to do for the stretch run. Don't want him laid up for 10-12 days and be thrown back in there without a couple of side sessions and such.

Britt Burns
08-06-2009, 01:27 PM
If Hudson can have even a decent season in the 5th slot of the rotation next year--and the way he is pitching we have no reason to believe he won't--our staff will be awesome, maybe the best in baseball.

Buehrle
Peavey
Danks
Floyd
Hudson

2 aces, 2 guys who would be the top or 2nd starter on half the ML clubs, and a rookie who has all sorts of potential.

chaotic8512
08-06-2009, 06:30 PM
I just posted this in the Torres thread in the Clubhouse, but I'll post it here too, for completeness. Hudson's been promoted to Charlotte.

http://futuresox.com/frontpage/?p=1190

EDIT: I definitely missed everything at the top. Oops. :redface:

Metalthrasher442
08-06-2009, 07:07 PM
He definitely belongs in AAA. I hope he makes his debut at the end of the season, even if it's just one game.. you know give him a taste for next season because we know he'll be up for sometime next season =]

DumpJerry
08-06-2009, 08:24 PM
So, if this Hudson kid turns out to be the Real Deal, where would the Sox' 2008 draft rate with him and Beckham as members?

oeo
08-06-2009, 09:25 PM
But the rest of the crop is a very iffy crop. Williams is a journeyman, working out on the right time.

So was Carrasco a year ago, now he has to be one of the best long relievers around. Have to give credit to our scouting and coaches in the minor leagues.

Hitmen77
08-06-2009, 09:53 PM
Should the Sox consider moving him up from AA to AAA Charlotte now?

http://futuresox.com/frontpage/?p=1190

I guess the White Sox answer to my question is yes.

Hitmen77
08-06-2009, 09:57 PM
If Hudson can have even a decent season in the 5th slot of the rotation next year--and the way he is pitching we have no reason to believe he won't--our staff will be awesome, maybe the best in baseball.

Buehrle
Peavy
Danks
Floyd
Hudson

2 aces, 2 guys who would be the top or 2nd starter on half the ML clubs, and a rookie who has all sorts of potential.

IF he can continue his minor league success up to the majors next year, that would most definitely be an awesome rotation!

It'll be very interesting to see how he progresses.

Domeshot17
08-07-2009, 01:03 AM
So was Carrasco a year ago, now he has to be one of the best long relievers around. Have to give credit to our scouting and coaches in the minor leagues.

I am not a huge Carrasco fan. He is a decent long man, he will give you innings which is what you need, but a 4 era, a 1.5 whip, its all average. Like I said, he does his job, but I am not blown away by him. And while I really like what Ive seen from Williams, hes thrown 4 innings.

I have no problem giving Buddy Bell a big cheer for his scouting turn around of our farm, and part of that was getting rid of crap coaches and putting real teachers in. I just think you will see that mostly with the Hudsons and Mitchells of the world versus the guys who will always bounce up and down.

Domeshot17
08-07-2009, 01:06 AM
Oh I agree, just think it's great to see people coming up who actually can perform, so I'm a bit giddy. :D: Compared to the mopes we used to see and the never ending parade of failed 5th starters and bullpen chumps the Sox have had to deal with the past several seasons, this year has been pretty cool.

I agree it's WAY too soon to consider our system an elite one, but for someone like me who doesn't follow the minors except for the big prospects and the ones you folks hype (reading about them here in MO), it's been way cool to see unexpected success from several people in the past few months...

I will agree with that. Hell, when Torres came up and just battled in his debut, that was AWESOME. It was so much better than the 2004 revolving door of crap. I wish we could produce a little more offensive depth in our farm but it cant happen overnight. I like Nix, but its really tough when you main infield backup hits the mendoza line and isn't very good defensively. Ultimately I think one day Getz will man the utility role.

voodoochile
08-07-2009, 01:19 AM
I will agree with that. Hell, when Torres came up and just battled in his debut, that was AWESOME. It was so much better than the 2004 revolving door of crap. I wish we could produce a little more offensive depth in our farm but it cant happen overnight. I like Nix, but its really tough when you main infield backup hits the mendoza line and isn't very good defensively. Ultimately I think one day Getz will man the utility role.

The only problem I see with Getz as the utility guy is his value is higher than that. If the Sox can find a better 2B (or move Beckham and sign a 3B or see Viciedo develop) some other team would be willing to give Getz a shot as a starting 2B and let him hit at the bottom of the lineup. He may not be an All Star but plenty of teams would be okay with his production especially with the stolen bases to offset the low OPS. If he continues to hit around .270 and steal 20 bags or more a year, teams would be willing to pay him starter money and the Sox cannot afford to pay that much to have him sit on the bench. In addition if another team values him as a starter, the Sox would be better off trading him for other talent be that minor league prospects or a capable reliever or a utility guy and a prospect. He would have more value in trade than the Sox would get out of him sitting on the bench as it were.

I'm also not sure he's got the range or arm strength to be the backup SS/3B. He was tried there in the minors, but it was brief and there have been other people who have said he's not capable of filling that role successfully (notably Daver who knows a heck of a lot more about the minors and player skill sets than I ever will.)

SoxSpeed22
08-07-2009, 02:17 AM
Getz is a good enough hitter to play every day. He is not suited to be a utility man. He doesn't show a whole lot of range to play shortstop and he doesn't have the arm to play 3rd. If anything, Lillibridge would be perfect for that role. He is a good enough fielder to play those positions, including center field, he has the range and the arm strength. At the same time, his bat is not good enough to stick in the everyday lineup (for now).

oeo
08-07-2009, 02:53 AM
I will agree with that. Hell, when Torres came up and just battled in his debut, that was AWESOME. It was so much better than the 2004 revolving door of crap. I wish we could produce a little more offensive depth in our farm but it cant happen overnight. I like Nix, but its really tough when you main infield backup hits the mendoza line and isn't very good defensively. Ultimately I think one day Getz will man the utility role.

Nix is probably the best defensive infielder we have, he just doesn't have much experience at shortstop.

And as was mentioned, Getz does not have the tools to be a utility man. What's he going to play, second base and maybe some LF if needed? I just don't get why people continue to put that label on him. He's playing fine, and unless your munch who expects a perennial All Star at the position, you should be happy with his production.

oeo
08-07-2009, 02:57 AM
I am not a huge Carrasco fan. He is a decent long man, he will give you innings which is what you need, but a 4 era, a 1.5 whip, its all average. Like I said, he does his job, but I am not blown away by him. And while I really like what Ive seen from Williams, hes thrown 4 innings.

Carrasco has been huge in quite a few wins both this year and last. If you ask me, he's the unsung hero of the bullpen.

Craig Grebeck
08-07-2009, 09:23 AM
Nix is probably the best defensive infielder we have, he just doesn't have much experience at shortstop.

And as was mentioned, Getz does not have the tools to be a utility man. What's he going to play, second base and maybe some LF if needed? I just don't get why people continue to put that label on him. He's playing fine, and unless your munch who expects a perennial All Star at the position, you should be happy with his production.
I'm guessing people do so because Getz isn't good defensively and it makes sense for Beckham to play 2B in the future.

Randar68
08-07-2009, 12:05 PM
So, if this Hudson kid turns out to be the Real Deal, where would the Sox' 2008 draft rate with him and Beckham as members?

Not to mention Dexter Carter was a key piece of the Peavy deal plus Jordan Danks. And the book isn't exactly closed on guys like Brent Morel, Justin Greene, Leesman, Sauer, Upchurch, etc...

Could end up being one of our best drafts in a long time. Hopefully the 2009 draft class follows suit.

oeo
08-07-2009, 12:09 PM
I'm guessing people do so because Getz isn't good defensively and it makes sense for Beckham to play 2B in the future.

I'm guessing it has nothing to do with either. People put these labels on minor league players, and they stick, regardless of big league performance.

Randar68
08-07-2009, 12:11 PM
The only problem I see with Getz as the utility guy is his value is higher than that. If the Sox can find a better 2B (or move Beckham and sign a 3B or see Viciedo develop) some other team would be willing to give Getz a shot as a starting 2B and let him hit at the bottom of the lineup. He may not be an All Star but plenty of teams would be okay with his production especially with the stolen bases to offset the low OPS. If he continues to hit around .270 and steal 20 bags or more a year, teams would be willing to pay him starter money and the Sox cannot afford to pay that much to have him sit on the bench. In addition if another team values him as a starter, the Sox would be better off trading him for other talent be that minor league prospects or a capable reliever or a utility guy and a prospect. He would have more value in trade than the Sox would get out of him sitting on the bench as it were.

I'm also not sure he's got the range or arm strength to be the backup SS/3B. He was tried there in the minors, but it was brief and there have been other people who have said he's not capable of filling that role successfully (notably Daver who knows a heck of a lot more about the minors and player skill sets than I ever will.)

I still find it amazing how quickly people have given up on Fields. He and Beckham have the same fielding percentage fer crying out loud, and people want to see Viciedo now?

Hopefully Josh can get enough regular at-bats at Charlotte that he can get his swing back to where it needs to be to be this team's everyday 3rd baseman next year. Then they can go into next season with Nix as the utility guy and Gordon and Alexei fight it out int he spring for SS with the loser going to 2nd base. That's a much better infield both defensively and offensively than anything we have been throwing out there thus far this season.

In short, I think people just gave up too quick on Josh and he was roughly equal to what Beckham has been defensively at 3rd thus far, IMO.

voodoochile
08-07-2009, 12:21 PM
I still find it amazing how quickly people have given up on Fields. He and Beckham have the same fielding percentage fer crying out loud, and people want to see Viciedo now?

Hopefully Josh can get enough regular at-bats at Charlotte that he can get his swing back to where it needs to be to be this team's everyday 3rd baseman next year. Then they can go into next season with Nix as the utility guy and Gordon and Alexei fight it out int he spring for SS with the loser going to 2nd base. That's a much better infield both defensively and offensively than anything we have been throwing out there thus far this season.

In short, I think people just gave up too quick on Josh and he was roughly equal to what Beckham has been defensively at 3rd thus far, IMO.

I'm not expecting nor hoping for Viciedo anytime soon, just pointing out that eventually he may be the 3B on the big league club if he develops.

I'm completely unenthused with your use of FLD% as a defensive metric. Beckham clearly is a better defensive 3B than Fields already and he's only played 70 games or so in his entire professional career and before that played SS in college. I would expect Beckham's defense to improve and from the looks of things it already has dramatically from where he was when he was first called up. With Josh, we know what we get.

Fields is getting up there in age and whether you think he deserves another shot or not, I highly doubt Ozzie would be pleased with KW if he was forced to go with Fields at 3B next year. I would bet he'd stick with the present setup. Fields posted a .655 OPS in 220+ AB this season in his second extended tour of duty in the majors. Getz is hitting better than that at present and adds a dimension to the offense Fields doesn't. Fields is another all or nothing RH bat who strikes out 1/3 AB.

I'm actually surprised you feel this way and would be shocked if Ozzie did.

khan
08-07-2009, 12:27 PM
I'm actually surprised you feel this way and would be shocked if Ozzie did.

I'm surprised I agree with voodoo on this. [or for that matter, anything...]

I maintain that Fields should have been shipped out years ago, before the rest of the world figured out that he's just not very good at baseball.

cws05champ
08-07-2009, 12:42 PM
I'm not expecting nor hoping for Viciedo anytime soon, just pointing out that eventually he may be the 3B on the big league club if he develops.

I read this interesting article in futuresox.com on Dayan and specifically on his fielding. Basically it says a lot of his fielding issues came earlier in the season and he is handling ground balls well, but struggling mightily on pop ups. It's interesting to say the least.

http://futuresox.com/frontpage/?p=1076&cpage=1

Randar68
08-07-2009, 01:36 PM
I'm completely unenthused with your use of FLD% as a defensive metric. Beckham clearly is a better defensive 3B than Fields already and he's only played 70 games or so in his entire professional career and before that played SS in college. I would expect Beckham's defense to improve and from the looks of things it already has dramatically from where he was when he was first called up. With Josh, we know what we get.

Gordon definitely has more range than Fields, but he was a SS (and still might be), so you surely expect that to be the case. But people complained up and down about Josh's errors, so that was really my only point there.


Fields is getting up there in age and whether you think he deserves another shot or not, I highly doubt Ozzie would be pleased with KW if he was forced to go with Fields at 3B next year. I would bet he'd stick with the present setup. Fields posted a .655 OPS in 220+ AB this season in his second extended tour of duty in the majors. Getz is hitting better than that at present and adds a dimension to the offense Fields doesn't. Fields is another all or nothing RH bat who strikes out 1/3 AB.

What does age really have to do with it? Fields was an older draftee and his development is delayed from a baseball-only prospect due to that football background. I don't entirely disagree with your other points, but if you look at Crede's history and how long it took him to become reliable at 3rd base (it wasn't until his 8th professional season he made less than 20 errors but he was a smoother fielding player, no doubt) or at the plate, and I think it's too early to give up on Fields, especially given that the tradeoff is Chris Getz. I just think Beckham is emminently more valuable at SS or 2nd base than 3rd base compared to his peers at those positions.

If the Sox had a legit leadoff guy at 2nd base or SS in his way, I would not have a problem with it, but they don't.

Domeshot17
08-07-2009, 01:42 PM
I'm guessing people do so because Getz isn't good defensively and it makes sense for Beckham to play 2B in the future.

That is my thing. Getz is just, okay at everything except stealing bases. Hes clearly a great base stealer and a very solid base runner. His defense at 2b is sub par but his arm is good. Nix is the better defender at second, but a poor short stop and below average at 3rd. Ultimately I like Getz in the Nix role because he can play SS at the same level and hopefully next year we add a back up who can play 1st/3rd. I would rather use the few tools Getz has at key times and eliminate the ones he has. He would be a fantastic pinch runner especially in late game situations, and he hits for enough of an average to be a nice pinch hitter.

To me people need to realize it is okay to want to improve at a position without needing an all star. Of 2b, Getz is near the bottom in batting average, OBP, OPS, really the only thing he has well is run and steal.

If he can keep up months like July, he can be solid, and even if he keeps up his 2nd half averages (300 hitter, 775 ops) thats fine, we will just have to see how the season ends.

Domeshot17
08-07-2009, 01:47 PM
Gordon definitely has more range than Fields, but he was a SS (and still might be), so you surely expect that to be the case. But people complained up and down about Josh's errors, so that was really my only point there.




What does age really have to do with it? Fields was an older draftee and his development is delayed from a baseball-only prospect due to that football background. I don't entirely disagree with your other points, but if you look at Crede's history and how long it took him to become reliable at 3rd base (it wasn't until his 8th professional season he made less than 20 errors but he was a smoother fielding player, no doubt) or at the plate, and I think it's too early to give up on Fields, especially given that the tradeoff is Chris Getz. I just think Beckham is emminently more valuable at SS or 2nd base than 3rd base compared to his peers at those positions.

If the Sox had a legit leadoff guy at 2nd base or SS in his way, I would not have a problem with it, but they don't.

I think people look past Beckham's problems at 3rd because he hits. If Fields hit, we wouldn't hear half the complaints on his D. It just how a lot of fans are.

Also, the football background thing is why I wonder how Mitchell will be. In a way he is a lot like Fields when we took him. Raw, Tremendous potential, great athlete. Mitchell probably has more potential but Josh was highly touted when we picked him. So when people are saying things like 18 months to 2 years to see Mitchell, I doubt we see him for 3-4 years. He is also going to be an older prospect.

Crede basically took the Eli Manning route in his career. Sucked for a long time, everyone hated him, made some fantastic plays in the championship game (or with Crede world series) and became a cult hero.

Randar68
08-07-2009, 04:03 PM
I think people look past Beckham's problems at 3rd because he hits. If Fields hit, we wouldn't hear half the complaints on his D. It just how a lot of fans are.

Also, the football background thing is why I wonder how Mitchell will be. In a way he is a lot like Fields when we took him. Raw, Tremendous potential, great athlete. Mitchell probably has more potential but Josh was highly touted when we picked him. So when people are saying things like 18 months to 2 years to see Mitchell, I doubt we see him for 3-4 years. He is also going to be an older prospect.

Crede basically took the Eli Manning route in his career. Sucked for a long time, everyone hated him, made some fantastic plays in the championship game (or with Crede world series) and became a cult hero.

I basically agree with you, but they went through pretty different experiences. Mitchell gave up football and was WR. Fields was the starting QB and leader of that OSU team on the football field. The amount of time and off-field effort of being a QB vs a WR is tremendous. Mitchell also gave up football (IIRC), so he has in general spent more time as a full-time baseball player than Fields had at a similar point. Also, Fields plays a tougher position and doesn't have the speed thing to fall back on, so they are pretty different prospects in that regard. If Mitchell gets on base and steals bases, he will move up quickly. With Fields it has been all about being a run-producer in the middle of the order and learning the finer points of 3rd base.

Considering we lose Thome after this year and Konerko's contract is up after next season, I don't see why would would let Josh wallow or trade him until we have given him every possible chance to succeed if not at 3rd, then at least at 1st base.

jabrch
08-07-2009, 04:32 PM
I still find it amazing how quickly people have given up on Fields.

The same is said of most prospects. We (fans) give up on them far to quickly. Baseball people (and given your background, you as well probably) are more patient with kids.

We may or may not be done seeing Josh. KW may do with him what he did with BA. And BA/Josh may still some day be a regular MLB player. They also may (more likely) not ever be anything. But I trust the people who do this for a living can do a far better job than we (fans) can.

voodoochile
08-07-2009, 04:58 PM
I think with Fields it's less about his defense, and more about his regression with the bat. After his first extended stint with the team he was showing signs of being that middle order bat and even after his crappy limited stay with the team in 2008 several posters were still ready to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his bat if anything regressed this season and his .655 OPS in a third of a season left most posters willing to look in a different direction. In addition, his seeming inability to catch up to a decent Major League fastball looks like a death knell even to people like me who don't generally pay that much attention to those types of details (though I'm trying to get better). It seems on some levels that even with his improved stance this year, he still struggled to hit consistently and his K rate is still through the roof.

He's had nearly 700 PA so far and all of his stats have declined from his first stay with the team.

Joe came out posted a better initial OPS in his first extended stay with the team and then continued to be mostly league average and while he threw up a bunch of errors his first few years, he also showed an instinctive ability to field at third that Fields never has. Crede actually strikes me as one of those rare athletes who doesn't need to look to see where he is in relation to the ball or the stands. He just knows. His kinesthetic sense seems to be off the charts.

spawn
08-07-2009, 05:00 PM
In short, I think people just gave up too quick on Josh and he was roughly equal to what Beckham has been defensively at 3rd thus far, IMO.
There's a big difference between Beckham playing third and Josh playing it. Beckham is just learning the position. so he still has time to improve. This is Josh's natural position, and he's just not very good at it. The extra work he put in with Cora obviously hasn't helped.

California Sox
08-07-2009, 05:31 PM
I basically agree with you, but they went through pretty different experiences. Mitchell gave up football and was WR. Fields was the starting QB and leader of that OSU team on the football field. The amount of time and off-field effort of being a QB vs a WR is tremendous. Mitchell also gave up football (IIRC), so he has in general spent more time as a full-time baseball player than Fields had at a similar point. Also, Fields plays a tougher position and doesn't have the speed thing to fall back on, so they are pretty different prospects in that regard. If Mitchell gets on base and steals bases, he will move up quickly. With Fields it has been all about being a run-producer in the middle of the order and learning the finer points of 3rd base.

Considering we lose Thome after this year and Konerko's contract is up after next season, I don't see why would would let Josh wallow or trade him until we have given him every possible chance to succeed if not at 3rd, then at least at 1st base.

Randar, I agree that their experiences are vastly different. I'd add a couple of more points: Mitchell was a highly regarded baseball prospect as a high school player (the Twins flirted with picking him in the 1st round) for whom football was his second-best sport. Fields was always a football-first prospect, so he is a bit more raw.

But I'd caution that Fields strikeout problems stem from swinging and missing a lot. Often at fastballs in the strike zone. Mitchell gets into to trouble because he takes too many strikes. Mitchell needs to get more aggressive. Fields might need better bat speed. One of those two can be taught.

Craig Grebeck
08-07-2009, 07:10 PM
Considering we lose Thome after this year and Konerko's contract is up after next season, I don't see why would would let Josh wallow or trade him until we have given him every possible chance to succeed if not at 3rd, then at least at 1st base.
Fields would be the worst hitting first baseman in the game.

KyWhiSoxFan
08-07-2009, 08:08 PM
Fields would be the worst hitting first baseman in the game.

And probably the worst fielding.

khan
08-08-2009, 04:19 PM
Randar, I agree that their experiences are vastly different. I'd add a couple of more points: Mitchell was a highly regarded baseball prospect as a high school player (the Twins flirted with picking him in the 1st round) for whom football was his second-best sport. Fields was always a football-first prospect, so he is a bit more raw.

But I'd caution that Fields strikeout problems stem from swinging and missing a lot. Often at fastballs in the strike zone. Mitchell gets into to trouble because he takes too many strikes. Mitchell needs to get more aggressive. Fields might need better bat speed. One of those two can be taught.

Either way, this fetish KW has for football players is a bit worrying, in the sense that it hasn't always worked out. [See Fields, Borchard, Owens]

I'd rather just have good baseball players, irrespective of their backgrounds, in the team.


Oh yeah, I almost forgot: Fields still sucks at baseball.

DirtySox
08-08-2009, 04:25 PM
For what it's worth, Hudson is likely to pitch on Sunday. Conveniently, that game will be on MILB.TV

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/multimedia/video.jsp

JermaineDye05
08-08-2009, 06:03 PM
For what it's worth, Hudson is likely to pitch on Sunday. Conveniently, that game will be on MILB.TV

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/multimedia/video.jsp

Thanks for the info. I was actually wondering myself when he'd be making his Charlotte debut. I'll definitely be tuning in to watch this one.

He gone
08-09-2009, 09:14 AM
I sure hope he pitches today, cause I'll be there :redneck

DirtySox
08-09-2009, 11:12 AM
I sure hope he pitches today, cause I'll be there :redneck

He will. It's official and on the Knights website now.

JermaineDye05
08-09-2009, 02:11 PM
Game's on. Into the bottom of the first.

Here comes Hudson...

:popcorn:

JermaineDye05
08-09-2009, 02:18 PM
Hudson not doing so hot right now.

Lead off bunt single, hbp, and now he's walked the 3rd hitter.

Bases loaded and nobody out.

DirtySox
08-09-2009, 02:20 PM
That is rather unusual for him. I'd imagine he is a bit nervous/overexcited.

JermaineDye05
08-09-2009, 02:27 PM
Hudson gets out of it just giving up 2 runs

in the inning

2 ER 2 H 1 BB 1 HBP 1 K

I really like what I see from his stuff, unfortunatelly they don't show a speed gun so I don't know how fast he's pitching. The only thing that concerns me is his release point, it looks like it could cause some arm troubles in the future.

JermaineDye05
08-09-2009, 02:35 PM
Rats, no Flowers catching today.

DirtySox
08-09-2009, 02:40 PM
Rats, no Flowers catching today.

Yep. That made me sad as I will probably watch the game later.

JermaineDye05
08-09-2009, 02:54 PM
A nice inning for Hudson in the 2nd

1 H 1 K 0 R

He's made a lot of hitters look bad with his changeup.

Charlotte leads 6-2.

DirtySox
08-09-2009, 02:55 PM
A nice inning for Hudson in the 2nd

1 H 1 K 0 R

He's made a lot of hitters look bad with his changeup.

Charlotte leads 6-2.

How does his Slider look? Supposedly that's his outpitch but his change is supposed to be much better this year as well.

JermaineDye05
08-09-2009, 03:05 PM
How does his Slider look? Supposedly that's his outpitch but his change is supposed to be much better this year as well.

I haven't seen much of it. He's been mostly fastball changeup today. I don't think he's had good control with it. For the times he's gotten it over though, it's looked good.

hawkjt
08-10-2009, 03:28 PM
I think with Fields it's less about his defense, and more about his regression with the bat. After his first extended stint with the team he was showing signs of being that middle order bat and even after his crappy limited stay with the team in 2008 several posters were still ready to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his bat if anything regressed this season and his .655 OPS in a third of a season left most posters willing to look in a different direction. In addition, his seeming inability to catch up to a decent Major League fastball looks like a death knell even to people like me who don't generally pay that much attention to those types of details (though I'm trying to get better). It seems on some levels that even with his improved stance this year, he still struggled to hit consistently and his K rate is still through the roof.

He's had nearly 700 PA so far and all of his stats have declined from his first stay with the team.

Joe came out posted a better initial OPS in his first extended stay with the team and then continued to be mostly league average and while he threw up a bunch of errors his first few years, he also showed an instinctive ability to field at third that Fields never has. Crede actually strikes me as one of those rare athletes who doesn't need to look to see where he is in relation to the ball or the stands. He just knows. His kinesthetic sense seems to be off the charts.

My issues with Josh are
1. big hole in his swing which results in way too many swings with no contact.
2. Does not have naturally good hands at third,imo.
3. not really nimble at third either...some big guys at third have the good feet...not josh.

Joe had
1. history of being mvp in the minors...great hitter down there.
2. made some errors but always had good hands.
3. natural good movement,specially to his right..Gordo has not mastered that yet.

Gordo has:
1. great natural hitter
2. very good ss hands
3. very athletic

But has to work on going to the right.

Metalthrasher442
08-10-2009, 03:39 PM
How did Hudson do?

KyWhiSoxFan
08-10-2009, 04:26 PM
How did Hudson do?

You can read the ten posts or so just previous to your post asking how he did or you can look at the box score for the game in which he pitched on Aug. 9. That can be found in 8/9 Games in Minor Observations.

Metalthrasher442
08-10-2009, 05:04 PM
You can read the ten posts or so just previous to your post asking how he did or you can look at the box score for the game in which he pitched on Aug. 9. That can be found in 8/9 Games in Minor Observations.

I only got the first the first two inning in those ten posts haha but ok thanks.

Randar68
08-11-2009, 11:45 AM
Joe had
1. history of being mvp in the minors...great hitter down there.


Not that I disagree with much of the rest of your post, but this line is trash.

Crede had 1000 more minor league AB's and their minor league numbers at the plate are actually pretty similar. OPS is almost identical. Crede had almost 300 more minor league games played, fer chrissakes. Is it any wonder he was more refined defensively? Now, Josh is not as smooth, never has been, but he has a good arm at 3rd and his issues are with grounders. You need to play everyday and get reps to improve on your reads...

Craig Grebeck
08-11-2009, 03:11 PM
Not that I disagree with much of the rest of your post, but this line is trash.

Crede had 1000 more minor league AB's and their minor league numbers at the plate are actually pretty similar. OPS is almost identical. Crede had almost 300 more minor league games played, fer chrissakes. Is it any wonder he was more refined defensively? Now, Josh is not as smooth, never has been, but he has a good arm at 3rd and his issues are with grounders. You need to play everyday and get reps to improve on your reads...
Crede struck out at a lower rate and makes/made considerably better contact. They aren't too comparable.

KyWhiSoxFan
08-11-2009, 04:52 PM
Not that I disagree with much of the rest of your post, but this line is trash.

Crede had 1000 more minor league AB's and their minor league numbers at the plate are actually pretty similar. OPS is almost identical. Crede had almost 300 more minor league games played, fer chrissakes. Is it any wonder he was more refined defensively? Now, Josh is not as smooth, never has been, but he has a good arm at 3rd and his issues are with grounders. You need to play everyday and get reps to improve on your reads...

Fields has already made 4 errors at Charlotte. His last two have been throwing errors, not fielding. He's just not very good defensively.

I suppose if he were to play every day for two more years in the minors, he has a chance to improve, but even then, who knows?

oeo
08-11-2009, 05:02 PM
Crede struck out at a lower rate and makes/made considerably better contact. They aren't too comparable.

Yeah, Crede made more contact popping it straight up the shoot. Crede didn't strike out, but he didn't make productive outs, either. He just had infield pop ups, a.k.a. the Joe Crede special.

A. Cavatica
08-15-2009, 03:39 PM
Fields has already made 4 errors at Charlotte. His last two have been throwing errors, not fielding. He's just not very good defensively.

I suppose if he were to play every day for two more years in the minors, he has a chance to improve, but even then, who knows?

At least this makes it easier to come up with a nickname for him.

How does Josh "Erratically" Fields grab you?

DirtySox
08-20-2009, 11:08 AM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=6123

JermaineDye05
08-20-2009, 11:38 AM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=6123

Sounds like a right handed version of Danks

DirtySox
08-21-2009, 03:19 PM
Cam (Bangor, ME): Does Dan Hudson have a chance to break camp with the Sox next year?

Kevin Goldstein: Minor leaguer breakout pitcher of the year, but I think that's a tad optimistic. You should see him at some point next year, though.


Scott (Chicago): Daniel Hudson's overall ceiling is as a ________, and he'll probably be in the majors by _____. His _____ is his best pitch.

Kevin Goldstein: No. 3; mid-to-late 2010; Fastball.



http://baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=639&nocache=1250883095

Hitmen77
08-25-2009, 02:51 PM
http://indianapolis.indians.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t494&gid=2009_08_24_chraaa_gwiaaa_2&cid=494&t=g_box

It looks like Dan Hudson pitched game 2 of Charlotte's doubleheader yesterday. His line:

5 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 3 BB, 7 SO. He threw 105 pitches in those 5 IP.

DumpJerry
08-25-2009, 03:12 PM
http://indianapolis.indians.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=t494&gid=2009_08_24_chraaa_gwiaaa_2&cid=494&t=g_box

It looks like Dan Hudson pitched game 2 of Charlotte's doubleheader yesterday. His line:

5 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 3 BB, 7 SO. He threw 105 pitches in those 5 IP.
He was in awe of Jake Peavy.

Hitmen77
08-31-2009, 11:16 AM
http://futuresox.com/frontpage/?p=1256

An interesting article on Hudson's progress this year:

DumpJerry
08-31-2009, 11:34 AM
http://futuresox.com/frontpage/?p=1256

An interesting article on Hudson's progress this year:
It compares him the McCarthy and then points out that McCarthy has not been exactly lights out at the MLB level. What is not mentioned is if his pitching style is similar to McCarthy's and the fact that McCarthy had some injuries at the MLB level (due, in part to his pitching style).

Randar68
08-31-2009, 12:24 PM
http://futuresox.com/frontpage/?p=1256

An interesting article on Hudson's progress this year:

One thing not mentioned has been to watch Hudson's GB:FB ratio plummet as he moved up the ranks. Gotta keep the ball down against the more advanced hitters.

Hopefully that is something he can continue to learn. Most of the rest of his stat lines have been pretty solid once he's had his feet under him at the new level, as the article indicated.

And if he can be an MLB average pitcher next year as our 5th starter, I would take it in a heartbeat. I have a feeling he will be the front-runner for that job unless they keep Sweaty Freddie (which I would suggest doing as of today given his solid starts and Peavy not yet proving healthy)

KyWhiSoxFan
08-31-2009, 07:12 PM
One thing not mentioned has been to watch Hudson's GB:FB ratio plummet as he moved up the ranks. Gotta keep the ball down against the more advanced hitters.

Hopefully that is something he can continue to learn. Most of the rest of his stat lines have been pretty solid once he's had his feet under him at the new level, as the article indicated.

And if he can be an MLB average pitcher next year as our 5th starter, I would take it in a heartbeat. I have a feeling he will be the front-runner for that job unless they keep Sweaty Freddie (which I would suggest doing as of today given his solid starts and Peavy not yet proving healthy)

I think Hudson and Freddy fight for the 5th starter role next year. You have Peavy, Floyd, Danks, and Buehrle, a strong 1-4. If Freddy can start the season at No. 5, it gives the Sox a lot of flexibility and allows Hudson a little more time to develop by starting in AAA the spring. That said, I love Hudson and am eager to see him on the Sox.

Randar68
09-01-2009, 03:45 PM
BTW, Hudson starts tonight and unless he is called up after that, he will only get one more start in AAA before their season ends. Even if he starts both those games in AAA, he could still get 3-4 starts in with the big club.

voodoochile
09-01-2009, 03:51 PM
BTW, Hudson starts tonight and unless he is called up after that, he will only get one more start in AAA before their season ends. Even if he starts both those games in AAA, he could still get 3-4 starts in with the big club.

So who starts Thursday, Torres?

EMachine10
09-01-2009, 04:18 PM
So who starts Thursday, Torres?
I'd actually like to see Torres get one more start and Hudson get some work. It wouldn't surprise me if they just started DJ though. Carrasco, that is.

DumpJerry
09-01-2009, 04:40 PM
I'd actually like to see Torres get one more start and Hudson get some work. It wouldn't surprise me if they just started DJ though. Carrasco, that is.
:DJ
Put me in coach, I'm ready to play........

DirtySox
09-01-2009, 05:43 PM
Torres is starting at Wrigley.

http://twitter.com/MDGonzales/status/3697198872

DirtySox
09-01-2009, 07:29 PM
Hudson's start tonight.

3.0 IP 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K.

Was pulled after 3 innings and only 51 pitches. Not sure why just yet.

DumpJerry
09-01-2009, 07:39 PM
Hudson's start tonight.

3.0 IP 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K.

Was pulled after 3 innings and only 51 pitches. Not sure why just yet.
They're resting him for Spring Training.

Lefty34
09-01-2009, 08:09 PM
I think Hudson and Freddy fight for the 5th starter role next year.

No, absolutely not. We should tip our caps and thank him for the QS he gave us and then send him on his merry way. It's time to finally move on from these re-hashes of old Sox teams. Daniel Hudson is good, play him.

oeo
09-01-2009, 08:20 PM
No, absolutely not. We should tip our caps and thank him for the QS he gave us and then send him on his merry way. It's time to finally move on from these re-hashes of old Sox teams. Daniel Hudson is good, play him.

Every team does this type of thing every year. Put a veteran guy at the back end of the rotation and hope for the best. The Twins have especially killed us with this strategy, and when their youngster is ready, they bring him up and DFA the veteran. We did it in 2005 with El Duque. The problem this year is we used TWO rotation spots this way and had no back up plan (i.e., a youngster waiting). Freddy should get an opportunity. Who knows how long his shoulder will hold up, but by then, hopefully Hudson is ready to go.

oeo
09-01-2009, 10:04 PM
FutureSox is hearing that Dan Hudson was pulled from his start due to an impeding promotion to Chicago, still waiting for confirmation.

http://twitter.com/FutureSox/statuses/3702301745

Hitmen77
09-01-2009, 10:12 PM
http://twitter.com/FutureSox/statuses/3702301745

Very interesting.

Weird that they pulled him from a game for this. It didn't occur to the Sox before the game started that they were going to promote him?

Big D
09-01-2009, 11:48 PM
Very interesting.

Weird that they pulled him from a game for this. It didn't occur to the Sox before the game started that they were going to promote him?

Maybe KW flipped out when Cuddyer hit the second homer, and decided to promote Hudson on the spot.

Hitmen77
09-01-2009, 11:58 PM
Maybe KW flipped out when Cuddyer hit the second homer, and decided to promote Hudson on the spot.

Maybe that shouldn't be in teal.