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Sockinchisox
07-29-2009, 01:38 PM
Ben Francisco is also going to The Phillies.

The Phils are giving up Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, Lou Marson and Jason Donald.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9866900/Sources:-Phils-reach-agreement-for-Indians%27-Lee

BleacherBandit
07-29-2009, 01:43 PM
This seems like a steal for the phillies if they don't even need to give up drabek.

TDog
07-29-2009, 01:45 PM
This probably signals that the Phillies have withdrawn from the Halladay derby.

JB98
07-29-2009, 01:47 PM
Great acquisition for the Phillies. Adding Lee makes Philadelphia the team to beat in the NL, IMO.

Unless, of course, the Dodgers add Halladay.

SoxGirl4Life
07-29-2009, 01:47 PM
That's pretty big. i'm not sure if I care, though.

oeo
07-29-2009, 01:49 PM
This probably signals that the Phillies have withdrawn from the Halladay derby.

The Blue Jays are not serious about dealing Halladay, he's going no where.

doublem23
07-29-2009, 01:49 PM
That's pretty big. i'm not sure if I care, though.

We still have a few more games with Cleveland. Just not having to risk facing Lee is good. :cool:

SoxGirl4Life
07-29-2009, 01:50 PM
The Blue Jays are not serious about dealing Halladay, he's going no where.


Exactly. They've been looking for some GM to be stupid and pay dearly for him.

cws05champ
07-29-2009, 01:53 PM
Ben Francisco is also going to The Phillies.

The Phils are giving up Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, Lou Marson and Jason Donald.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9866900/Sources:-Phils-reach-agreement-for-Indians%27-Lee

Pretty nice haul...Carrasco has struggled this year but the other guys are nice pieces for the Toons. Glad we don't have to face Lee anymore...What is their rotation going to look like? eeewww.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-29-2009, 01:54 PM
The only thing I care about is if any of those guys Cleveland obtained will be any good and a factor in the AL Central division in years to come.

For Philly, that looks like a pretty good deal. But the Sox won't have to worry about Cliff Lee being in Philly until next year's World Series.

PhillipsBubba
07-29-2009, 01:55 PM
The good organizations always figure a way...but hey...we got Mark Kotsay and some cash:(:

thedudeabides
07-29-2009, 01:56 PM
I really think this is a great move for the Phillies. They have the top of the rotation to make another run. I love the fact that they are being aggressive, yet patient enough to keep some of their future and improve now. They have been well run, as of late.

This puts a lot of the speculation that Halladay won't be traded, closer to a reality. Ricciardi really dropped the ball on this whole situation. Obviously, things could change quickly on that front, but it's a pretty rough situation if Halladay stays, and he gets lesser value down the line.

chisoxfanatic
07-29-2009, 01:58 PM
I really think this is a great move for the Phillies. They have the top of the rotation to make another run. I love the fact that they are being aggressive, yet patient enough to keep some of their future and improve now. They have been well run, as of late.

This puts a lot of the speculation that Halladay won't be traded, closer to a reality. Ricciardi really dropped the ball on this whole situation. Obviously, things could change quickly on that front, but it's a pretty rough situation if Halladay stays, and he gets lesser value down the line.
I wouldn't be surprised if Halladay finds himself in Boston.

The Phillies are stacked, but I'd still put the Dodgers ahead of them in the favorites to win the NL list.

JB98
07-29-2009, 01:59 PM
We still have a few more games with Cleveland. Just not having to risk facing Lee is good. :cool:

Our competitors have some games left with Cleveland, too, so that's pretty much a wash. Lee being out the division makes it easier for everyone to beat the piss out of the Indians.

TDog
07-29-2009, 02:00 PM
The Blue Jays are not serious about dealing Halladay, he's going no where.

That's what I've been thinking. If they are shopping Halladay, they are looking for an offer they wouldn't be able to pass up.

DumpJerry
07-29-2009, 02:02 PM
So, in the past year or so, the AL Central has lost CC, Johan and Lee.

:)

BleacherBandit
07-29-2009, 02:05 PM
Are we sure this is true? I don't see it being posted anywhere else.

RedHeadPaleHoser
07-29-2009, 02:06 PM
We still have a few more games with Cleveland. Just not having to risk facing Lee is good. :cool:

Exactly my thoughts.

soltrain21
07-29-2009, 02:12 PM
The good organizations always figure a way...but hey...we got Mark Kotsay and some cash:(:

Well this is going to get a tad annoying.

RedHeadPaleHoser
07-29-2009, 02:12 PM
Are we sure this is true? I don't see it being posted anywhere else.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4363553

VeeckAsInWreck
07-29-2009, 02:22 PM
Are we sure this is true? I don't see it being posted anywhere else.

Here's the link to mlb.com (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090729&content_id=6127048&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

chisox616
07-29-2009, 02:26 PM
...sweet!

What luck our AL Central has had these past few years...when's Verlander gonna be out of here?

Chez
07-29-2009, 02:42 PM
So, in the past year or so, the AL Central has lost CC, Johan and Lee.

:)

You left Javy Vazquez off your list.

thomas35forever
07-29-2009, 02:50 PM
This is definitely a great move for the Phillies. With the Dodgers going through a rough patch, I think the Phills are primed to pass them in the overall NL standings soon and it also makes them serious contenders to repeat as champions.

KenBerryGrab
07-29-2009, 03:53 PM
So Shapiro didn't get any of the Phillies' top 3 prospects in exchange for an affordable near ace and solid outfielder?

I'm hacked off if I'm an Indian fan.

BleacherBandit
07-29-2009, 03:55 PM
The good organizations always figure a way...but hey...we got Mark Kotsay and some cash:(:

For Brian Anderson, not top prospects. :rolleyes:

DumpJerry
07-29-2009, 03:56 PM
You left Javy Vazquez off your list.
My bad. He caused us to lose a fair number of games which needed to be won......

Madscout
07-29-2009, 03:57 PM
Any two of Jose, Bartolo, or Clayton better be Cy freakin' young in the second half, because there is no reason we couldn't have put something together to get something.

DumpJerry
07-29-2009, 04:04 PM
For Brian Anderson, not top prospects. :rolleyes:
Ahem (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=114070). Let's stay on topic....

ShoelessJoeS
07-29-2009, 04:06 PM
Any two of Jose, Bartolo, or Clayton better be Cy freakin' young in the second half, because there is no reason we couldn't have put something together to get something.Something as in Lee, or something as in someone else...? I don't think the Toons would have traded Lee within their division.

russ99
07-29-2009, 04:16 PM
Hm - as for the Halladay going to Boston idea, wouldn't the Jays fans revolt if Doc was traded to the Yankees or Red Sox?

I think the Dodgers or a mystery team have the edge at this point, if he's traded, which is far from certain since the Lee deal in a sense drove the price down a bit.

thedudeabides
07-29-2009, 04:19 PM
Hm - as for the Halladay going to Boston idea, wouldn't the Jays fans revolt if Doc was traded to the Yankees or Red Sox?

I think the Dodgers or a mystery team have the edge at this point, if he's traded, which is far from certain since the Lee deal in a sense drove the price down a bit.


Yep, they lost their top bidder. If I had to guess, I'd say he stays in Toronto. I'd still be surprised if they traded him to Boston or New York, but I think trading him is the right move for the organization. I just feel like Ricciardi overplayed his hand.

parlaycard
07-29-2009, 04:25 PM
The Blue Jays are not serious about dealing Halladay, he's going no where.

YOU ARE 100% CORRECT.

My house isnt on the market either, but if someone wants to write me a check for $600k its theirs.

The Blue Jays are playing this game of "If you give us Pujols, and your top 3 prospects, you can have Halladay."

This BS sounds like something a Cub fan would make up.

Gammons Peter
07-29-2009, 04:47 PM
Hm - as for the Halladay going to Boston idea, wouldn't the Jays fans revolt if Doc was traded to the Yankees or Red Sox?

I think the Dodgers or a mystery team have the edge at this point, if he's traded, which is far from certain since the Lee deal in a sense drove the price down a bit.


It annoys me that his nickname is "Doc" after Doc Holliday, when his name is Halladay.

RedHeadPaleHoser
07-29-2009, 05:17 PM
This BS sounds like something a Cub fan would make up.

You mean, Jake Peavy AND Brian Roberts aren't going to the Cubs? That drivel made me want to ****ing puke when both of those names were being thrown around.

SCCWS
07-29-2009, 06:20 PM
Yep, they lost their top bidder. If I had to guess, I'd say he stays in Toronto. I'd still be surprised if they traded him to Boston or New York, but I think trading him is the right move for the organization. I just feel like Ricciardi overplayed his hand.


At least in New England there are strong rumors the Red Sox will get Halliday. They are offering Buchholz plus Masterson and a lower prospect. That would be equivalent to Richard, Poreda and a Class A prospect.

DirtySox
07-29-2009, 06:27 PM
Richard is not even close to comparable to Buchholz in value.

Chicago5oooh
07-29-2009, 06:54 PM
Great move by the Phils. Proof that the asking price for Halladay is insane. Well done Riccardi. Now you'll get even less in the offseason or next July.

doublem23
07-29-2009, 06:55 PM
The good organizations always figure a way...but hey...we got Mark Kotsay and some cash:(:

I'm sure the Indians were chomping at the bit to trade Cliff Lee within the division. :rolleyes:

SCCWS
07-29-2009, 07:17 PM
Richard is not even close to comparable to Buchholz in value.



Buchholz -24yrs old 23 games-W-6 L-11, ERA 5.29 114 innings SO-105 BB 58

Richard-25yrs old 39 games-W-6 L-8, ERA 5.14 136 innings SO-95 BB 50

Both make $400,000. Richard is a lefthander. Buchholz did not make Red Sox roster in spring and is up replacing Wakefield for a few starts. I would say they are very close.

getonbckthr
07-29-2009, 07:19 PM
Buchholz -24yrs old 23 games-W-6 L-11, ERA 5.29 114 innings SO-105 BB 58

Richard-25yrs old 39 games-W-6 L-8, ERA 5.14 136 innings SO-95 BB 50

Both make $400,000. Richard is a lefthander. Buchholz did not make Red Sox roster in spring and is up replacing Wakefield for a few starts. I would say they are very close.
Boston had a deep rotation opening day.

balke
07-29-2009, 07:29 PM
So C.C., santana, and Lee in what 3 seasons? Not bad. Now Grienke and Verlander's turns to go.

DirtySox
07-29-2009, 07:43 PM
Buchholz -24yrs old 23 games-W-6 L-11, ERA 5.29 114 innings SO-105 BB 58

Richard-25yrs old 39 games-W-6 L-8, ERA 5.14 136 innings SO-95 BB 50

Both make $400,000. Richard is a lefthander. Buchholz did not make Red Sox roster in spring and is up replacing Wakefield for a few starts. I would say they are very close.

Buchholz has much better stuff and a higher ceiling. Clayton is back of the rotation fodder.