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soxnut1018
07-28-2009, 02:03 PM
Per WSCR.

hawkjt
07-28-2009, 02:03 PM
for Mark Kotsay and cash.

Is kotsay playing much this year...used to like him.

Nosed out on this news...please delete this thread...sorry.

aryzner
07-28-2009, 02:03 PM
Interesting. BA asked, and he received.

Boondock Saint
07-28-2009, 02:04 PM
:bandance:

bridgeportcopper
07-28-2009, 02:04 PM
Don't care if Kotsay hasn't played in years, Brian can I pack your bags for ya?

whitesoxfan
07-28-2009, 02:04 PM
Very interesting. There's our 4th OF.

sox1970
07-28-2009, 02:05 PM
Bout time.

TomBradley72
07-28-2009, 02:06 PM
Bats Left....end of the Dewayne Wise era?

chisox616
07-28-2009, 02:06 PM
...huh. Well, that settles it. BA is about to become a huge star in Boston. And I could really care less.

seventyseven
07-28-2009, 02:06 PM
I approve. Kotsay can also play 1st.

hawkjt
07-28-2009, 02:06 PM
Kotsay is a lefty,correct? Or is he a switch hitter?
Sox need their extra outfielder to be a righthanded hitter so last nite Pods could sit, as he seemed to have no chance vs Perkins.

Lillian
07-28-2009, 02:07 PM
The only thing this adds is a left handed bat.
Kotsay is not a good enough centerfielder to help the defense, so he'll stay on the bench.

chisox616
07-28-2009, 02:08 PM
So does that mean we can lose both DeWayne and Fields now? Man, and they were both just on Letterman...

getonbckthr
07-28-2009, 02:08 PM
****ing idiots! When was the last time Kotsay was relevant? Offensively they are about the same today defensively it isn't even close. Morons.

Bill Naharodny
07-28-2009, 02:09 PM
Bats Left....end of the Dewayne Wise era?

And maybe Josh Fields, too. Kotsay can play first base.

Domeshot17
07-28-2009, 02:13 PM
Have no worries. Kotsay is a Grinder! This is something the Sox have missed since Erstad!!!!!!!!!

Dibbs
07-28-2009, 02:13 PM
If it was 1999, this would be a great trade. If it gets Wise off the team, it is still a good trade.

DirtySox
07-28-2009, 02:13 PM
Peace

dakotasox
07-28-2009, 02:14 PM
Fields should be playing everyday in AAA. Wise should be at home. I have no idea who stays and who goes.

oeo
07-28-2009, 02:14 PM
...huh. Well, that settles it. BA is about to become a huge star in Boston. And I could really care less.

More like a huge star for Pawtucket.

We get Kotsay, cash, and FOBA's off our hands. Sounds like a deal.

GoGoCrede
07-28-2009, 02:15 PM
Can't wish him anything but the best. I wonder how much playing time he'll get there.

MHOUSE
07-28-2009, 02:16 PM
I like Kotsay as a bench/role player, but who goes from the big league roster to make room? Wise? Or is TCQ going back on the DL? I think this upgrades out available offense off the bench, but Kotsay was playing a lot of first base the last two years because of back problems. I think this is a huge step back in our outfield defense which is all ready below average.

bridgeportcopper
07-28-2009, 02:16 PM
****ing idiots! When was the last time Kotsay was relevant? Offensively they are about the same today defensively it isn't even close. Morons.

He stunk! He asked for a trade and he got it! Had a "my **** doesn't stink" attitude since he got to the bigs and is now gone, so deal with it!

Sockinchisox
07-28-2009, 02:16 PM
I like it, Kotsay is an upgrade over Wise.

soxnut1018
07-28-2009, 02:17 PM
Can't wish him anything but the best. I wonder how much playing time he'll get there.

With Bay, Ellsbury, and Drew I'd guess he won't get much.

oeo
07-28-2009, 02:17 PM
Have no worries. Kotsay is a Grinder! This is something the Sox have missed since Erstad!!!!!!!!!

What was Anderson?

GoGoCrede
07-28-2009, 02:17 PM
With Bay, Ellsbury, and Drew I'd guess he won't get much.

Thought so. Oh, well.

bridgeportcopper
07-28-2009, 02:18 PM
What was Anderson?

do you really want to open that can of worms??

munchman33
07-28-2009, 02:18 PM
This is great news. I can't believe we got anything for that whiny worthless piece of ****.

Kenny is magic.

Jimmy Piersall
07-28-2009, 02:19 PM
What was Anderson?

Half a grinder.

getonbckthr
07-28-2009, 02:19 PM
He stunk! He asked for a trade and he got it! Had a "my **** doesn't stink" attitude since he got to the bigs and is now gone, so deal with it!
Anderson is better than Kotsay. I would have rather got a single A player or a PTBNL than some washed up ball player who will do nothing for us.

Domeshot17
07-28-2009, 02:20 PM
For all the Brian is Whiney, Brian had an attitude, Brian acted like his **** did not stink crap, you notice how none of his teammates ever bad mouthed him? Cabrera had that attitude, and you saw his teammates and manager constantly calling him out. The only person every spewing **** about Brian was Ozzie. By all accounts he was very well liked in the clubhouse, both as a rookie and throughout his career.

Edit: Also, who knows what this does to the Roster. Ozzie might send down Fields and keep Wise. We would officially have zero power on the bench then. I know Nix has some, but really not much. Its wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too early to give up on Fields.

getonbckthr
07-28-2009, 02:20 PM
This is great news. I can't believe we got anything for that whiny worthless piece of ****.

Kenny is magic.
We didnt.

cws05champ
07-28-2009, 02:20 PM
I thought Brian was more valuable to this team this year just as late inning defensive replacement. When he was sent down...he is no longer helping the ML team. If Kotsay can just play a decent CF and 1B he's worth it.

Dice
07-28-2009, 02:20 PM
So we trade young junk for old junk. What's the big deal?

chisoxfanatic
07-28-2009, 02:20 PM
This is great news. I can't believe we got anything for that whiny worthless piece of ****.

Kenny is magic.
He was complaining because he wasn't given a fair chance! It's too bad that he wasn't, because he was the best fielder we had.

hawkjt
07-28-2009, 02:20 PM
I predict that Josh Fields will either go down or traded..Kotsay is a lefty backup for PK at first.
DWise stays put as our backup outfielder.

I say this is more of a favor to BA than a move to really help the sox much..Kotsay has only played since coming back from injury in early june..his numbers.

27 games, 74 at bats,19 hits,1hr,5 rbi,4BB,2 steals, BA .257,OBP .291,slugging.. .324...

33 years old...I presume the Red Sox will pick up most of his salary.

CWSpalehoseCWS
07-28-2009, 02:20 PM
...huh. Well, that settles it. BA is about to become a huge star in Boston. And I could really care less.

BA just got screwed. He goes from a team with no CF to a team with CF and LF locked up. He'll never be more than a 4th OF now.

Dibbs
07-28-2009, 02:21 PM
Kenny sticks it to BA one last time. No way does he get playing time in Boston.

Pretty pathetic trade if we send Fields down. I would rather have Fields on the roster over Kotsay or Wise. I would also rather have Brian on the roster over Kotsay or Wise. I have no idea how this actually helps the team.

oeo
07-28-2009, 02:21 PM
do you really want to open that can of worms??

It was opened the moment someone bitched like we gave up a perennial All Star.

DirtySox
07-28-2009, 02:22 PM
BA just got screwed. He goes from a team with no CF to a team with CF and LF locked up. He'll never be more than a 4th OF now.

He will never be more than that no matter where he plays.

oeo
07-28-2009, 02:23 PM
Kenny sticks it to BA one last time. No way does he get playing time in Boston.

You people crack me up. He shouldn't get playing time anywhere.

Rockabilly
07-28-2009, 02:24 PM
Another first round bust hits the road

TomBradley72
07-28-2009, 02:24 PM
BA just got screwed. He goes from a team with no CF to a team with CF and LF locked up. He'll never be more than a 4th OF now.

Terry Francona is out to get him.

Domeshot17
07-28-2009, 02:25 PM
You people crack me up. He shouldn't get playing time anywhere.

I bet a pretty good manager like Francona will get a lot out of him.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 02:26 PM
More like a huge star for Pawtucket.

We get Kotsay, cash, and FOBA's off our hands. Sounds like a deal.

The FOJRs didn't leave until two years after Jeremy Reed got dealt. Don't bet on this being the end of the FOBAs.

whitesoxfan
07-28-2009, 02:26 PM
I bet a pretty good manager like Francona will get a lot out of him.

lol.

thedudeabides
07-28-2009, 02:27 PM
BA just got screwed. He goes from a team with no CF to a team with CF and LF locked up. He'll never be more than a 4th OF now.

There isn't a team he would be more than that. Baldelli is the only backup of, and Drew is quite injury prone. I guess there is a chance he could catch on.

Domeshot17
07-28-2009, 02:28 PM
lol.

I am not saying he will be a star or an everyday player but a fresh start with a great manager could be good for him. I don't care what job you do, it is very hard to work and succeed when your boss hates you.

Zisk77
07-28-2009, 02:28 PM
BA just got screwed. He goes from a team with no CF to a team with CF and LF locked up. He'll never be more than a 4th OF now.


Relax he'll have his chance in Boston to show he can't hit. Afterall, J.D. Drew is overdue for his annual trip to the DL with vaginitis.

Mod Edit: Next time it's a long vacation.

hawkjt
07-28-2009, 02:29 PM
The FOJRs didn't leave until two years after Jeremy Reed got dealt. Don't bet on this being the end of the FOBAs.


The FOBA will be on defcon 4 watching box scores for signs of life from BA.
God forbid he takes off for another team now..it will be insufferable and also make Sox look stupid.

thedudeabides
07-28-2009, 02:29 PM
I am not saying he will be a star or an everyday player but a fresh start with a great manager could be good for him. I don't care what job you do, it is very hard to work and succeed when your boss hates you.


And there really has never been any evidence that Ozzie hates him. He did keep him around for four years.

People he hated were gone almost immediately.

oeo
07-28-2009, 02:29 PM
So we trade young junk for old junk. What's the big deal?

Poor Brian never got a chance, and now poor Brian is not going to play for the big league team in his new organization. Now poor Brian is never going to become an All Star. Poor Brian...:whiner:

jabrch
07-28-2009, 02:29 PM
You people crack me up. He shouldn't get playing time anywhere.

He should...in Pawtucket.

voodoochile
07-28-2009, 02:30 PM
What was Anderson?

Some say a grinder, some say a hero, some say a **** sandwich. Who gives a flying ****?

Rejoice WSI! Our long (sitewide) nightmare is over!

:happyguy: :moonwalk: :bliss: :wooty: :gulp: :) :Rocker: :yup: :drunken:

voodoochile
07-28-2009, 02:32 PM
I predict that Josh Fields will either go down or traded..Kotsay is a lefty backup for PK at first.
DWise stays put as our backup outfielder.

I say this is more of a favor to BA than a move to really help the sox much..Kotsay has only played since coming back from injury in early june..his numbers.

27 games, 74 at bats,19 hits,1hr,5 rbi,4BB,2 steals, BA .257,OBP .291,slugging.. .324...

33 years old...I presume the Red Sox will pick up most of his salary.

Yep and this gives a potentially nice LH bat to use when they want to give Quentin or Dye a day off. Didn't lose anything and can send Fields back to the minors where he can go on a tear and up his trade value.

dakotasox
07-28-2009, 02:32 PM
Some say a grinder, some say a hero, some say a **** sandwich. Who gives a flying ****?

Rejoice WSI! Our long (sitewide) nightmare is over!

:happyguy: :moonwalk: :bliss: :wooty: :gulp: :) :Rocker: :yup: :drunken:
Not a chance.

whitesoxfan
07-28-2009, 02:32 PM
I am not saying he will be a star or an everyday player but a fresh start with a great manager could be good for him. I don't care what job you do, it is very hard to work and succeed when your boss hates you.

I'll say it again: lol.

I was more than willing to give BA a chance. Simple fact is he couldn't hit. Period. Make no mistake about it, his defense was terrific. But there's not really an everyday spot for you in this league if you're going to hit right around .250 and not draw many walks.

oeo
07-28-2009, 02:33 PM
I am not saying he will be a star or an everyday player but a fresh start with a great manager could be good for him. I don't care what job you do, it is very hard to work and succeed when your boss hates you.

I guess when you keep saying it, you start to believe it. I'm sure Pawtucket's manager is great, I hope they get along well.

voodoochile
07-28-2009, 02:33 PM
He was complaining because he wasn't given a fair chance! It's too bad that he wasn't, because he was the best fielder we had.

Bull...

****...

chisoxfanatic
07-28-2009, 02:34 PM
Another first round bust hits the road
You can't call something a bust when it wasn't given enough of a fair chance.

voodoochile
07-28-2009, 02:34 PM
He will never be more than that no matter where he plays.

:clap:

tdh11
07-28-2009, 02:34 PM
came to see an Erstad mention.

I've always liked Kotsay though

Jerko
07-28-2009, 02:35 PM
Had to free up #32 for Halliday

SoxyStu
07-28-2009, 02:35 PM
Some say a grinder, some say a hero, some say a **** sandwich. Who gives a flying ****?

Rejoice WSI! Our long (sitewide) nightmare is over!

:happyguy: :moonwalk: :bliss: :wooty: :gulp: :) :Rocker: :yup: :drunken:

Unfortunately, it probably won't be long before the next one emerges.

SoxGirl4Life
07-28-2009, 02:36 PM
I felt WSI rock even when I was busy toiling at work! Wow

voodoochile
07-28-2009, 02:36 PM
The FOJRs didn't leave until two years after Jeremy Reed got dealt. Don't bet on this being the end of the FOBAs.

They'll latch on to some other good looking athletically gifted half-assed baseball player and continue hammering KW and OG...

Marqhead
07-28-2009, 02:36 PM
Getting anything for BA is a plus.

Hopefully this can begin the long journey to a time in which Brian Anderson is no longer discussed on this board.

dakotasox
07-28-2009, 02:37 PM
I'll say it again: lol.

I was more than willing to give BA a chance. Simple fact is he couldn't hit. Period. Make no mistake about it, his defense was terrific. But there's not really an everyday spot for you in this league if you're going to hit right around .250 and not draw many walks.

I guess you missed April when he actually was allowed to play everyday and not benched a day after going 2 for 3.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 02:37 PM
You can't call something a bust when it wasn't given enough of a fair chance.


Your persistence is admirable. Your lack of persepctive is not.

oeo
07-28-2009, 02:37 PM
You can't call something a bust when it wasn't given enough of a fair chance.

These posts will be nice to never read again.

bridgeportcopper
07-28-2009, 02:37 PM
I guess when you keep saying it, you start to believe it. I'm sure Pawtucket's manager is great, I hope they get along well.

http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:fsEJAZfrvU5cZM:http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Piney/2008_Red_Sox_Season/April/05.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/Piney/2008_Red_Sox_Season/April/05.jpg&imgrefurl=http://piney61.livejournal.com/791365.html&usg=__F74bQ6d_oikGB_z6YmBZwg3Dy7o=&h=401&w=600&sz=53&hl=en&start=4&sig2=4PrkEanmz9CbyStDFJmnuQ&um=1&tbnid=fsEJAZfrvU5cZM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dred%2Bsox%2Bmanager%2Bron%2Bjohnson%2 6hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBF_enUS243US246%26sa%3DN%26u m%3D1&ei=UVdvSvKyJ5z2tAOYxezNBA)
Hi, I'm Ron Johnson, and I'll be happy to get ya some P.T., B.A.!

kittle42
07-28-2009, 02:37 PM
Our long national nightmare is over.

tstrike2000
07-28-2009, 02:38 PM
Thank you. Further threads about him from FOBA's can now fade into obscurity. And Kotsay is pretty good pickup, too.

Boondock Saint
07-28-2009, 02:38 PM
I am going to relish this thread. Methinks that people are going to let it all out, since this is going to be their last big chance to fling **** at each other regarding BA.

*pulls up with a garbage bag full of popcorn*

jabrch
07-28-2009, 02:38 PM
They'll latch on to some other good looking athletically gifted half-assed baseball player and continue hammering KW and OG...

...and they will continue to suck.

sox1970
07-28-2009, 02:39 PM
I hope he enjoys Pawtucket.

GoGoCrede
07-28-2009, 02:40 PM
I am going to relish this thread. Methinks that people are going to let it all out, since this is going to be their last big chance to fling **** at each other regarding BA.

*pulls up with a garbage bag full of popcorn*

Yep. I'm pissed that I have to leave for a few hours. I'll bring the soda.

thedudeabides
07-28-2009, 02:41 PM
I'll say it again: lol.

I was more than willing to give BA a chance. Simple fact is he couldn't hit. Period. Make no mistake about it, his defense was terrific. But there's not really an everyday spot for you in this league if you're going to hit right around .250 and not draw many walks.

You would have to add 25 points to his batting average to get him to .250. Hell, you would have to add 12 points to his obp for him to get to .300.

manders_01
07-28-2009, 02:41 PM
I really wish I could take this afternoon off, head home, put on some comfy clothes and enjoy what will no doubt be the most entertaining thread in WSI history.

Brian, you contributed several memorable moments to White Sox history. But you were given more of an opportunity than I think you deserved. Good luck in the future!

getonbckthr
07-28-2009, 02:41 PM
Thank you. Further threads about him from FOBA's can now fade into obscurity. And Kotsay is pretty good pickup, too.
Sure if this was 2006

Rocky Soprano
07-28-2009, 02:42 PM
I hope this ends up working well for the Sox and BA.
I was really pulling for BA to get things together.

Now, I hope Wise is finally let go.

spawn
07-28-2009, 02:43 PM
Some say a grinder, some say a hero, some say a **** sandwich. Who gives a flying ****?

Rejoice WSI! Our long (sitewide) nightmare is over!

:happyguy: :moonwalk: :bliss: :wooty: :gulp: :) :Rocker: :yup: :drunken:
I'm going to party like it's 2005! :bliss::wooty::gulp:

areilly
07-28-2009, 02:43 PM
I really wish I could take this afternoon off, head home, put on some comfy clothes and enjoy what will no doubt be the most entertaining thread in WSI history.

I saw the headline on ESPN.com and this thought popped into my head before I even read the article.

voodoochile
07-28-2009, 02:43 PM
Our long national nightmare is over.

I win...

DirtySox
07-28-2009, 02:43 PM
I'm going to party like it's 2005! :bliss::wooty::gulp:

I've started drinking already.

spawn
07-28-2009, 02:44 PM
I am going to relish this thread. Methinks that people are going to let it all out, since this is going to be their last big chance to fling **** at each other regarding BA.

*pulls up with a garbage bag full of popcorn*
This thread will be...epic. :popcorn:

seventyseven
07-28-2009, 02:44 PM
He was complaining because he wasn't given a fair chance! It's too bad that he wasn't, because he was the best fielder we had.

It's also too bad that when you play the field, you inevitably incur plate appearances. And therein lies the problem...

voodoochile
07-28-2009, 02:44 PM
I am going to relish this thread. Methinks that people are going to let it all out, since this is going to be their last big chance to fling **** at each other regarding BA.

*pulls up with a garbage bag full of popcorn*

I'm just warming up...:D:

RedHeadPaleHoser
07-28-2009, 02:45 PM
You can't call something a bust when it wasn't given enough of a fair chance.

It was BA's job to lose. And he lost it.

Big D
07-28-2009, 02:45 PM
BA got traded for a guy who was just designated for assignment. I guess that shows people what BA's value is around the big leagues.

chisoxjtrain
07-28-2009, 02:45 PM
Welcome to Chicago Mark Kotsay! I just saw this stat from the story on whitesox.com: .373 career pinch hitting average.

chisoxfanatic
07-28-2009, 02:46 PM
It's also too bad that when you play the field, you inevitably incur plate appearances. And therein lies the problem...
He was able to save as many runs when he played as our best hitters were able to help plate runs...sometimes even more. His defensive help was severely underrated...but most fans don't care about one's defensive abilities. They just want someone who will mash the hell out of the ball.

RedHeadPaleHoser
07-28-2009, 02:46 PM
Maybe Kotsay is part of a larger trade package. That said I would have no idea for who, what or where...

voodoochile
07-28-2009, 02:46 PM
I'm gonna need a second WSI tab. One for everything else and one for this thread to reload...:cool:

oeo
07-28-2009, 02:46 PM
Sure if this was 2006

If it was 2006, we could have gotten more for Anderson. That was before everyone knew he was a ****ty player, though.

Marqhead
07-28-2009, 02:46 PM
it's also too bad that when you play the field, you inevitably incur plate appearances. And therein lies the problem...

potw.

tstrike2000
07-28-2009, 02:46 PM
Sure if this was 2006

We didn't bring him here to start in the outfield, and again, not a bad pickup considering who he was traded for.

VeeckAsInWreck
07-28-2009, 02:46 PM
Thing song will help the FOBA to get through this tough time.

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Marqhead
07-28-2009, 02:47 PM
He was able to save as many runs when he played as our best hitters were able to help plate runs...sometimes even more. His defensive help was severely underrated...but most fans don't care about one's defensive abilities. They just want someone who will mash the hell out of the ball.

This might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read, not on this website, but on the internet.

spawn
07-28-2009, 02:47 PM
I'm gonna need a second WSI tab. One for everything else and one for this thread to reload...:cool:
Over/under on how long it takes this thread to get to 500 posts. :cool:

jabrch
07-28-2009, 02:47 PM
It's a shame BAs natural position is CF and not pitcher. His hitting might be adequate for a pitcher. Is there a job for a designated fielder? Maybe if we stack our lineup with pitchers who can hit we could have played BA as our designated CF. Too bad OG and KW hated BA and never gave him a chance.

RedHeadPaleHoser
07-28-2009, 02:48 PM
Over/under on how long it takes this thread to get to 500 posts. :cool:

2:52 PM CST.

The day BA's music died.

voodoochile
07-28-2009, 02:48 PM
He was able to save as many runs when he played as our best hitters were able to help plate runs...sometimes even more. His defensive help was severely underrated...but most fans don't care about one's defensive abilities. They just want someone who will mash the hell out of the ball.

Stop... (snicker)

Please... (giggle)

Your... (chuckle)

Killing... (guffaw)

Me... (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!)

:rolling:

What's truly sad is you actually believe this crap...

TDog
07-28-2009, 02:48 PM
I like it, Kotsay is an upgrade over Wise.

Of course, like Wise and Podsednik, Kotsay bats left-handed. Kotsay is older than Anderson. He was a first-round pick of the Marlins in 1996, which, as I recall, was a pretty high pick. The Sox didn't make Brian Anderson a first-round pick until 2003.

Kotsay was a very good centerfielder in Oakland. He was hurt his last year there and Nick Swisher ended up getting more playing time in center than Kotsay. Even when Kotsay returned, Swisher started games in center, sometimes coming out for defense, probably because Kotsay couldn't get anything going offensively in 2007. I thought he was a better hitter than Swisher, at least pre-2007, but with not much power. Kotsay was a better hitter when he was in the National League, though, before the A's picked him up. Maybe playing in Oakland had something to do with it, but he didn't do much in Boston either.

When the Sox got Swisher to play center, I thought they would have been better off with Kotsay, who the A's had traded to the Braves, making room for some some speedy outfielders in the system.

I think Brian Anderson is better outfielder. I haven't seen Kotsay play this year, but he is probably better defensively than DeWayne Wise, although I think Wise is faster.

Really, I haven't seen Kotsay play since he was traded from the Braves. He hasn't played much first base in his career, but he did play there in a few games for the Red Sox in 2008 and for the A's in 2007. I don't think I've ever actually seen him play first base, although I have heard him play there on the radio. I know nothing of his defensive skills there. And I don't know if he played there with the A's (with Swisher in center) because he was nursing an injury.

Some people have looked at the potential of Kotsay the way some Sox fans have looked at the potential of Anderson. I have always gotten the impression that Anderson has more natural defensive ability, but Kotsay works harder.

The way things were going this season, Kotsay can probably help the White Sox more than Anderson. It is probably a good trade. I haven't noticed who the Sox are sending down to make room for him, though.

spawn
07-28-2009, 02:48 PM
He was able to save as many runs when he played as our best hitters were able to help plate runs...sometimes even more. His defensive help was severely underrated...but most fans don't care about one's defensive abilities. They just want someone who will mash the hell out of the ball.
Wow. Talk about an overly dramatic post!

dakotasox
07-28-2009, 02:48 PM
He was able to save as many runs when he played as our best hitters were able to help plate runs...sometimes even more. His defensive help was severely underrated...but most fans don't care about one's defensive abilities. They just want someone who will mash the hell out of the ball.

Defense wins championships, so lets bench our best defender...I never understood it.

Boondock Saint
07-28-2009, 02:49 PM
Over/under on how long it takes this thread to get to 500 posts. :cool:

Hour and a half is my bet.

Chez
07-28-2009, 02:50 PM
Too much hating. Good luck to Brian. I hope he does well in Boston.

chisoxfanatic
07-28-2009, 02:50 PM
It's nice to see that some posters still can't give him the credit he deserves for being an outstanding CF defensively. I'm sure our pitching staff was very thankful when he was helping back them up.

getonbckthr
07-28-2009, 02:50 PM
Maybe Kotsay is part of a larger trade package. That said I would have no idea for who, what or where...
I would say Fields may be in a package.
If it was 2006, we could have gotten more for Anderson. That was before everyone knew he was a ****ty player, though.
Ya I know it was more directed towards Kotsay himself. 2006 Kotsay awesome, 2009 Kotsay ughh don't want him at all. I prefer Wise. Oh my god I just said that?
We didn't bring him here to start in the outfield, and again, not a bad pickup considering who he was traded for.
The only positive is that he is a lefty. Otherwise offensively its maybe a wash. Defensively its not even close. I would prefer Anderson in AAA over Kotsay anywhere in our system.

TomBradley72
07-28-2009, 02:51 PM
I am not saying he will be a star or an everyday player but a fresh start with a great manager could be good for him. I don't care what job you do, it is very hard to work and succeed when your boss hates you.

I've never had a boss who hated me...but if I did, I don't think he would give me 3-4 years worth of chances.

soxinem1
07-28-2009, 02:51 PM
He was complaining because he wasn't given a fair chance! It's too bad that he wasn't, because he was the best fielder we had.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: KW and Ozzie prefer washed-up vets to developing their own players.

FWIW, Anderson was NEVER given the chance once, not the four times Ozzie claimed, to be the starting CF. If he was he would have had at least four 400 AB seasons.

I wouldn't be suprised if Kotsay will be the latest in the 'Failed Veterans String' to be in the mix for the starting CF spot in 2010.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 02:53 PM
He was able to save as many runs when he played as our best hitters were able to help plate runs...sometimes even more. His defensive help was severely underrated...but most fans don't care about one's defensive abilities. They just want someone who will mash the hell out of the ball.


PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE show me your math.

Our hitters (all of them, including the assaliciously poor ones like Brian, not just our best) scored 455 runs this season in 900 innings. Brian played 466 innings of CF. He got 123 TC. Let's assume that because Brian is so god damn ****ing super that 25% of his plays made were balls that no other human being alive could have gotten to. That means you need to tell me how those 31 plays resulted in 235 runs divided by 9 players.

Show me your math...I dare you.

spawn
07-28-2009, 02:54 PM
It's nice to see that some posters still can't give him the credit he deserves for being an outstanding CF defensively. I'm sure our pitching staff was very thankful when he was helping back them up.
No one is saying he wasn't a good defender. but to think he saved more runs than our power hitters produced, and sometimes more is just...well...ridiculous. :shrug:

chisoxfanatic
07-28-2009, 02:54 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: KW and Ozzie prefer washed-up vets to developing their own players.

FWIW, Anderson was NEVER given the chance once, not the four times Ozzie claimed, to be the starting CF. If he was he would have had at least four 400 AB seasons.

I wouldn't be suprised if Kotsay will be the latest in the 'Failed Veterans String' to be in the mix for the starting CF spot in 2010.
Thank you! And I agree with you 100%.

What's unfortunate is that BA had to live with the tutelage of Greg Walker for his entire stay here. That has to really hurt one's development in the hitting department.

thedudeabides
07-28-2009, 02:54 PM
Checked out a couple of Red Sox boards to try and figure out the health of Kotsay.

The general consensus there is Brian shouldn't be starting in Pawtucket. :rolling:

All of them were overwhelmed how this guy could be demanding a trade so he can get more playing time.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 02:55 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: KW and Ozzie prefer washed-up vets to developing their own players.

Keep saying it. That doesn't make it true.

Spin the life of Brian however you want - but if he EVER hit, even remotely decently, he'd have kept a job. He didn't.

Boondock Saint
07-28-2009, 02:55 PM
I wouldn't be suprised if Kotsay will be the latest in the 'Failed Veterans String' to be in the mix for the starting CF spot in 2010.

:pods:

"Say what now?"

Domeshot17
07-28-2009, 02:55 PM
I am loving the people knocking Brian's offense and saying he lost his job.

I am not saying Brian hit well, but I am waiting one of you Brilliant people to explain something to me.

When you are selecting a fourth OF, or a fill in OF, would you play the guy with the higher batting average, the higher slugging, the on base percentage almost 100 points higher, who is also the far superior defender. Or would you play the guy who is fast, but not as good or as smart of a base runner as the first player.

Brian was jerked around a bit here. Like I said, I wouldn't be shocked at all to him to goto boston and hit .260 with some power while being a nice defensive OF, especially in an OF with some ground to cover.

Marqhead
07-28-2009, 02:55 PM
FWIW, Anderson was NEVER given the chance once, not the four times Ozzie claimed, to be the starting CF. If he was he would have had at least four 400 AB seasons.


Do you guys just completely blank 2006 out of your memories?

tstrike2000
07-28-2009, 02:57 PM
It's nice to see that some posters still can't give him the credit he deserves for being an outstanding CF defensively. I'm sure our pitching staff was very thankful when he was helping back them up.

I don't think anyone here would argue he's a good defender, it was every other aspect of his game that lacked outside of some speed. My question to you is do you think his defense was so superior to any other CF we've had in recent memory that his glove made up for his bat and actually saved us enough games to make a difference? We're not counting the Mackowiak experiment.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 02:57 PM
What's unfortunate is that BA had to live with the tutelage of Greg Walker for his entire stay here.

I thought it was Guillen's fault? Now it is Walker's fault? Mrs. Anderson, I'd suggest you go to sonsofsamhorn.com. It may be more to your liking.

spawn
07-28-2009, 02:58 PM
Do you guys just completely blank 2006 out of your memories?
I was going to say that, but the next thing they will say is "He was benched the second game of the season!!!!!". Yeah, he was benched one game. He was handed the starting spot in '06. Anyone saying he still needed time to produce need look no further thatn Chris Getz and Gordon Bechkam as rookies who make the adjustment to Major League pitching.

gogosox16
07-28-2009, 02:58 PM
Do you guys just completely blank 2006 out of your memories?
Not all rookies come out strong in the first year and besides in 2006 he was basically given a half a year and struggled. Ever since he's never been fully given a chance even when he has earned it

areilly
07-28-2009, 02:59 PM
I wouldn't be suprised if Kotsay will be the latest in the 'Failed Veterans String' to be in the mix for the starting CF spot in 2010.

I will NOT sit back and let you disparage the career of Mister Darrin Erstad!!!

Boondock Saint
07-28-2009, 02:59 PM
I was going to say that, but the next thing they will say is "He was benched the second game of the season!!!!!". Yeah, he was benched one game. He was handed the starting spot in '06. Anyone saying he still needed time to produce need look no further than Chris Getz and Gordon Bechkam as rookies who make the adjustment to Major League pitching.

Beat me to it.

chisoxfanatic
07-28-2009, 03:00 PM
I thought it was Guillen's fault? Now it is Walker's fault?
It's both of their faults! It's Walker's for not giving good hitting instruction (if he were any bit of a decent hitting instructor, we wouldn't be having the hitting woes we've been having for the vast majority of his time here), and it's Ozzie's fault for constantly jerking him around (how comfortable do you expect anyone to be if they don't have any real job security and it doesn't seem like anyone is giving you a fair chance and shows you any bit of confidence).

thedudeabides
07-28-2009, 03:00 PM
I am loving the people knocking Brian's offense and saying he lost his job.

I am not saying Brian hit well, but I am waiting one of you Brilliant people to explain something to me.

When you are selecting a fourth OF, or a fill in OF, would you play the guy with the higher batting average, the higher slugging, the on base percentage almost 100 points higher, who is also the far superior defender. Or would you play the guy who is fast, but not as good or as smart of a base runner as the first player.

Brian was jerked around a bit here. Like I said, I wouldn't be shocked at all to him to goto boston and hit .260 with some power while being a nice defensive OF, especially in an OF with some ground to cover.

He's been assigned to Pawtucket.

And his baserunning wasn't very good. He was awful at stealing a base, but good at going first to third on a single.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 03:01 PM
Not all rookies come out strong in the first year and besides in 2006 he was basically given a half a year and struggled. Ever since he's never been fully given a chance even when he has earned it


When exactly was that? Show me.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/anderbr03.shtml

Domeshot17
07-28-2009, 03:01 PM
In a way, Anderson has a chance to be some other teams Gavin Floyd. Floyd was the same way in Philly. He struggled early, then never regained his position in the rotation, sucked in the bullpen, his head was a mess, but he had a ton of potential. Went somewhere where the right personel and a clean slate let him work his stuff out.

There is always room on a 25 man roster for a light hitting but fantastic defensive OF. Hell, if Dewayne Wise can be on a roster in his 30s, I would assume Brian has plenty of baseball left.

RedHeadPaleHoser
07-28-2009, 03:01 PM
I was going to say that, but the next thing they will say is "He was benched the second game of the season!!!!!". Yeah, he was benched one game. He was handed the starting spot in '06.

And when he got the plate, he never adjusted.

Blaming Greg Walker for Anderson's problems is ridiculous.

Big D
07-28-2009, 03:02 PM
He's been assigned to Pawtucket.

Terry Francona must hate BA too!

Jjav829
07-28-2009, 03:02 PM
I was going to say that, but the next thing they will say is "He was benched the second game of the season!!!!!". Yeah, he was benched one game. He was handed the starting spot in '06. Anyone saying he still needed time to produce need look no further thatn Chris Getz and Gordon Bechkam as rookies who make the adjustment to Major League pitching.

Gordon Beckham was benched in the 3rd game of his career, after going a combined 0-6 in the first two. It was that benching that caused him to go into a downward spiral where he could no longer hit or at least put together good at-bats. It was the end of Gordon Beckham's career. Poor Gordon.

Oh?... What's that you say?....Really? Huh.

chisoxfanatic
07-28-2009, 03:03 PM
Blaming Greg Walker for Anderson's problems is ridiculous.
So, it's ok for Walker to be blamed for anyone else, but not for BA? Wow!

voodoochile
07-28-2009, 03:03 PM
Terry Francona must hate BA too!

LMAO!!!

:rolling:

thedudeabides
07-28-2009, 03:03 PM
Terry Francona must hate BA too!

League wide conspiracy!!!

Domeshot17
07-28-2009, 03:04 PM
He's been assigned to Pawtucket.

And his baserunning wasn't very good. He was awful at stealing a base, but good at going first to third on a single.

Wise sucks at stealing bases too. Brian was 3 for 9, Wise would project to 4 for 10. But Brian in terms of base running, not stealing, but his instincts on the base paths, was very good. It is the same way no one would ever call AJ a base stealer, but hes a great base runner.

oeo
07-28-2009, 03:04 PM
He's been assigned to Pawtucket.

Theo Epstein hates him. ****er...

Anderson had no idea how well he had it. He's not going to sniff a start for Boston.

DirtySox
07-28-2009, 03:04 PM
He was able to save as many runs when he played as our best hitters were able to help plate runs...sometimes even more. His defensive help was severely underrated...but most fans don't care about one's defensive abilities. They just want someone who will mash the hell out of the ball.

This is a gem.

Boondock Saint
07-28-2009, 03:05 PM
So, it's ok for Walker to be blamed for anyone else, but not for BA? Wow!

I'm not 100% on this, but I'm willing to bet that somewhere along the way, Walker tried to impart the wisdom of "Don't swing at curveballs that bounce to the plate or sliders that make their way to the left-handed batter's box" to BA.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 03:05 PM
It's both of their faults! It's Walker's for not giving good hitting instruction (if he were any bit of a decent hitting instructor, we wouldn't be having the hitting woes we've been having for the vast majority of his time here), and it's Ozzie's fault for constantly jerking him around (how comfortable do you expect anyone to be if they don't have any real job security and it doesn't seem like anyone is giving you a fair chance and shows you any bit of confidence).


Seems like our hitting has been ok to me. We regularly have scored enough runs to win without any help from Brian.

Job security? Are you ****ing crazy? You don't just get job security given to you when you suck every time you get a chance. You EARN job security. Brian got 782 ABs. He sucked.

gogosox16
07-28-2009, 03:06 PM
When exactly was that? Show me.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/anderbr03.shtml
When I meant he earned it I meant he earned the right to play consistently after a couple solid games but Ozzie never gave him consistent playing time. It seemed to me that Ozzie has never like BA at all and has/had Wise, Mackowiak and so on.

TDog
07-28-2009, 03:07 PM
And when he got the plate, he never adjusted.

Blaming Greg Walker for Anderson's problems is ridiculous.

Beyond ridiculous.

Anderson came to professional baseball with a lot of talent and apparently never had to work very hard at baseball, even when playing at the highest level of college baseball. He didn't work very hard at all with his coaches when he turned pro.

spawn
07-28-2009, 03:07 PM
League wide conspiracy!!!
I smell a collusion lawsuit coming.....

jabrch
07-28-2009, 03:07 PM
So, it's ok for Walker to be blamed for anyone else, but not for BA? Wow!

Ya think Walker never tried telling Brian to not swing at ****ty pitches?

You are nuts.

SoxSpeed22
07-28-2009, 03:08 PM
Once BA got sent down, we figured this was going to happen. Personally, I thought the writing was on the wall after '07. BA was terrific defensively, just didn't have it at the plate, he was a decent base runner. Good luck in Pawtucket. Whatever Kotsay gives us is a bonus.

Stoky44
07-28-2009, 03:08 PM
Kotsay(2009)=Blum(2005)?
or is it closer to
Kotsay(2009)=Griffey(2008)=Carl Everett(2003)?

Someone earlier mentioned Kotsay as a trade piece. I think BA might be the trade piece (part of a large package, not a center piece) of a package for Boston to get a "big name" player.

RedHeadPaleHoser
07-28-2009, 03:09 PM
So, it's ok for Walker to be blamed for anyone else, but not for BA? Wow!

I've not blamed Walker for anyone's hitting problems. That said, how is it that OTHER hitters who are struggling find a way to adjust out? Do they go seek the counsel of Joey Cora instead of Walker? They make adjustments.

chisoxfanatic
07-28-2009, 03:09 PM
Brian got 782 ABs. He sucked.
In the span of 4.5 seasons. That's an average of about 170 at bats per year. And, most of those at bats were either in spot-start or pinch-hitting roles. He didn't get enough of a steady opportunity to start since making the big leagues.

thedudeabides
07-28-2009, 03:09 PM
Wise sucks at stealing bases too. Brian was 3 for 9, Wise would project to 4 for 10. But Brian in terms of base running, not stealing, but his instincts on the base paths, was very good. It is the same way no one would ever call AJ a base stealer, but hes a great base runner.

I wasn't bringing Wise into this, just pointing out Anderson can't steal a base. If you can't pinch hit or steal a base, you have limited value as a bench player, even if you are an above average defensive player.

TomBradley72
07-28-2009, 03:10 PM
BA Part 1, 2006:
Hit .225, w/a .290 OBP in 405 Plate Appearances.
Pre-All Star break: .192 batting average in 208 plate appearances

BA Part 2, 2007:
Hits .118 in 18 Plate Appearances at major league level, then sent down to AAA, where he hits .255 over 200 ABs at Charlotte

BA Part 3, 2008:
Hits .232 w/a .272 OBP in 193 Plate Apperances
With PK on DL, BA is starting CF for most of June, hits .235 w/a .264 OBP in 54 Plate Appearances.

BA Part 4, 2009:
Hits .238 w/a .322 OBP in 210 Plate Apperances

If only he had been given a chance.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-28-2009, 03:10 PM
This is the greatest news I've ever read on this board!!!!

Now, after more than 3 miserable years of having to read about BA every day, he gone. Thank God.

Why everyone has been so infatuated about writing about him is beyond me. But it bordered on the ridiculous at times.

In the final analysis, he was just one of the 25 players--and a below-average one at that--nothing more. His contributions were far outweighed by all the time everyone wasted discussing if he was good or bad and whether he got a fair shake or not (he did).

After all these years, we got the final answer on BA: KW traded one bum for another.

chisoxfanatic
07-28-2009, 03:10 PM
I've not blamed Walker for anyone's hitting problems. That said, how is it that OTHER hitters who are struggling find a way to adjust out? Do they go seek the counsel of Joey Cora instead of Walker? They make adjustments.
Most of the other hitters are given more chances than BA ever was given.

DSpivack
07-28-2009, 03:10 PM
Kotsay(2009)=Blum(2005)?
or is it closer to
Kotsay(2009)=Griffey(2008)=Carl Everett(2003)?

Someone earlier mentioned Kotsay as a trade piece. I think BA might be the trade piece (part of a large package, not a center piece) of a package for Boston to get a "big name" player.

A package? BA sucks, he's not helping anyone get any great return.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 03:11 PM
When I meant he earned it I meant he earned the right to play consistently after a couple solid games but Ozzie never gave him consistent playing time. It seemed to me that Ozzie has never like BA at all and has/had Wise, Mackowiak and so on.

He got over 750 ABs...He got them in bunches - and he wasted them.

.225/.288/.364

He never showed any signs of improvement.

Wise only got 223 ABs.
Mack only got 492 ABs.

BA got 750+ ABs.

OG gave BA 750+ ABs.

BA earned 0 ABs.

BA wasted his chance with the Sox because...he was a bad hitter.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 03:11 PM
Most of the other hitters are given more chances than BA ever was given.

That's BULL****.

750+ ABs - wasted by Brian.

Jjav829
07-28-2009, 03:11 PM
Someone earlier mentioned Kotsay as a trade piece. I think BA might be the trade piece (part of a large package, not a center piece) of a package for Boston to get a "big name" player.

They just traded a guy who was DFA'ed for him. And they kicked in cash. I highly doubt there's anything more to this trade than what you see. Kotsay was gone anyway. So they chipped in a little cash, and got a player.

I highly doubt that they're looking at this like it's the final piece they needed to acquire Roy Halladay.

KRS1
07-28-2009, 03:11 PM
So this is basically a "get rid of a malcontent trade"? Oh well. BA=valuable defense. Kotsay=sucks at everything now. Just one more ****ty all-around player on our bench for Ozzie to overuse. As someone already said, I'd rather have gotten some low A kid outside of a team top 20 prospects, but whatever, no big deal.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 03:12 PM
In the span of 4.5 seasons. That's an average of about 170 at bats per year. And, most of those at bats were either in spot-start or pinch-hitting roles. He didn't get enough of a steady opportunity to start since making the big leagues.

Because every time he was given a chance, he wasted it. 750+ ABs...wasted

voodoochile
07-28-2009, 03:13 PM
Wise sucks at stealing bases too. Brian was 3 for 9, Wise would project to 4 for 10. But Brian in terms of base running, not stealing, but his instincts on the base paths, was very good. It is the same way no one would ever call AJ a base stealer, but hes a great base runner.

Hey who needs sample size? This is the only year that matters. Never mind that in 200 more AB, BA has managed to post an OPS a whopping 30 points higher than Wise while stealing 13 bases in 27 attempts compared to Wise's 23/27.

VenturaFan23
07-28-2009, 03:14 PM
BA Part 1, 2006:
Hit .225, w/a .290 OBP in 405 Plate Appearances.
Pre-All Star break: .192 batting average in 208 plate appearances

BA Part 2, 2007:
Hits .118 in 18 Plate Appearances at major league level, then sent down to AAA, where he hits .255 over 200 ABs at Charlotte

BA Part 3, 2008:
Hits .232 w/a .272 OBP in 193 Plate Apperances
With PK on DL, BA is starting CF for most of June, hits .235 w/a .264 OBP in 54 Plate Appearances.

BA Part 4, 2009:
Hits .238 w/a .322 OBP in 210 Plate Apperances

If only he had been given a chance.

That's awesome, great post! I guess 4 years wasn't enough of a chance. :rolleyes:

I'm shocked Kenny got an actual major leaguer for this guy. Good riddance!

RedHeadPaleHoser
07-28-2009, 03:14 PM
In the span of 4.5 seasons. That's an average of about 170 at bats per year. And, most of those at bats were either in spot-start or pinch-hitting roles. He didn't get enough of a steady opportunity to start since making the big leagues.

2006 - 134 games, 405 plate appearances. Hit .225 for the season. Yep, it's Walker's problem.

Blame the Sodfather while you're at it for making the infield grass too short for the grounders to 2nd....

spawn
07-28-2009, 03:14 PM
in the span of 4.5 seasons. That's an average of about 170 at bats per year. And, most of those at bats were either in spot-start or pinch-hitting roles. he didn't get enough of a steady opportunity to start since making the big leagues.

2006.

Stoky44
07-28-2009, 03:14 PM
Forget it, removing this post. I know all the BA haters are going to say he sucks, and would never be part of any trade package. The BA lovers will say he has a lot of potential and could be on some teams radar as maybe a buy low guy that could do better in a new place because it has happened before.

I was just stating maybe BA could be part of a trade for the Red Sox. Just a conversation starter.

And honestly, if you think BA as a trade piece was dumb, why are you not all over the poster saying Kotsay is part of a trade for the Sox.

chisoxfanatic
07-28-2009, 03:14 PM
That's BULL****.

750+ ABs - wasted by Brian.
Scattered over 4.5 seasons. He got virtually no at bats in 2005, played about 4/5 of the season in 2006, got virtually no at bats in 2007, and didn't get a fair chance both last season and this season. It is not bull****...it's jerking him around big time.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 03:14 PM
2006 - 134 games, 405 plate appearances. Hit .225 for the season. Yep, it's Walker's problem.

Blame the Sodfather while you're at it for making the infield grass too short for the grounders to 2nd....

Blame it on anyone you want...except Brian

Whitesoxfan23
07-28-2009, 03:15 PM
Someone actually said in the BA appreciation thread, that they hope he does well against us? :scratch: I didn't even wish Frank freaking Thomas well against us, much less Brian ****ing Anderson...

fram40
07-28-2009, 03:15 PM
Another first round bust hits the road

two first round busts hit the road - assuming Fields gets sent down also

KyWhiSoxFan
07-28-2009, 03:16 PM
So this is basically a "get rid of a malcontent trade"? Oh well. BA=valuable defense. Kotsay=sucks at everything now. Just one more ****ty all-around player on our bench for Ozzie to overuse. As someone already said, I'd rather have gotten some low A kid outside of a team top 20 prospects, but whatever, no big deal.

At least Kotsay has done well pinch hitting, if nothing else. And the Sox have been terrible at PH. If Kotsay gets one hit pinch hitting, it is one more than BA ever would have gotten.

VeeckAsInWreck
07-28-2009, 03:16 PM
For those who want to have a look at Mark Kotsay. Here (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/search/media.jsp?player_id=117276) are some of his highlights.

Thankfully rock, paper, scissors (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4936907) is not a need for us because then this trade would look really bad.

spawn
07-28-2009, 03:16 PM
Blame it on anyone you want...except Brian
http://www.mtvasia.com/News/200601/images/06012992.jpg

Blame on the goose got you feeling loose
Blame it on patron got you in the zone
Blame it on al al al al alcohol (blame it on al al al alcohol)
Blame it on the vodka
Blame it on the henney
Blame it on the blue top got you feeling dizzy
Blame it on al al al al alcohol (blame it on al al al alcohol)

BadBobbyJenks
07-28-2009, 03:18 PM
I dont think I can stomach reading through this thread.

Is Wise or Fields getting sent down?

KRS1
07-28-2009, 03:18 PM
At least Kotsay has done well pinch hitting, if nothing else. And the Sox have been terrible at PH. If Kotsay gets one hit pinch hitting, it is one more than BA ever would have gotten.

It's also one more than Mark Kotsay should have gotten. :tongue:

beasly213
07-28-2009, 03:18 PM
I'm not going to say Brian got a chance or Brian didn't get a fair chance, or point to number of at bats to say that he would or wouldn't have been a good or decent MLB player, I'm going to use a very simple formula... I'll watch the ****ing games!

Watching him bat he didn't look like a major league player. His swing was long, he can't adjust during an at bat and pitchers knew exactly how to get him out. He wouldn't take walks, most of his at bats he would start out 0-2 and he struck out too much.

People always say "If given a chance he could hit .250-.260, well he couldn't do that. When you strike out as much as he did and are always behind in the count you aren't going to hit .250.

DirtySox
07-28-2009, 03:19 PM
I wonder what happens with Fields.

beasly213
07-28-2009, 03:19 PM
http://www.mtvasia.com/News/200601/images/06012992.jpg

Blame on the goose got you feeling loose
Blame it on patron got you in the zone
Blame it on al al al al alcohol (blame it on al al al alcohol)
Blame it on the vodka
Blame it on the henney
Blame it on the blue top got you feeling dizzy
Blame it on al al al al alcohol (blame it on al al al alcohol)


Thanks Spawn now that song is going to be stuck in my head all day!!

:angry:

jabrch
07-28-2009, 03:19 PM
Scattered over 4.5 seasons.

Are you serious? That's completely manipulating the truth. It was over 3 years.

He got virtually no at bats in 2005,

So why count it?

played about 4/5 of the season in 2006

And sucked

got virtually no at bats in 2007

Because he was a complete clown and unprepared to play in the majors. So don't count it. It's his fault for not working hard and being ready.

, and didn't get a fair chance both last season and this season.

Bull****. Had he not sucked, he'd have gotten more time. He sucked.

Nobody jerked anyone around. BA sucks at the plate and he showed absolutely no improvement from when he first came up until now.

Nice glove - but to blame his offense on others and to say that other people could have made him better is silly - and its bull****.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 03:21 PM
Someone actually said in the BA appreciation thread, that they hope he does well against us? :scratch: I didn't even wish Frank freaking Thomas well against us, much less Brian ****ing Anderson...

A lot of WSI's "fans" really suck.

oeo
07-28-2009, 03:21 PM
Scattered over 4.5 seasons. He got virtually no at bats in 2005, played about 4/5 of the season in 2006, got virtually no at bats in 2007, and didn't get a fair chance both last season and this season. It is not bull****...it's jerking him around big time.

He was a September call-up in 2005, that counts as a full season? Not to mention he spent most of 2007 injured in Charlotte.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-28-2009, 03:21 PM
Scattered over 4.5 seasons. He got virtually no at bats in 2005, played about 4/5 of the season in 2006, got virtually no at bats in 2007, and didn't get a fair chance both last season and this season. It is not bull****...it's jerking him around big time.

He had plenty of time to show he could hit (he could not). Had he batted .275 or .300, he would be starting in CF today for the WSox. But he couldn't. He could not even drive in any runs, either. He had 13 RBI all year. Beckham had more than that in his first month after being called up.

You make it sound like everyone wanted him to fail. That is 180 degrees from the truth. Everyone who is a Sox fan wanted him to do well. But BA could not produce. It's plain and simple.

spawn
07-28-2009, 03:22 PM
He was a September call-up in 2005...
Stop it. You're ruining a good rant.

DickAllen72
07-28-2009, 03:23 PM
I predict that Josh Fields will either go down or traded..Kotsay is a lefty backup for PK at first.
DWise stays put as our backup outfielder.
That's how I see it, unless Fields gets traded for a solid backup outfielder. That would be fine. Kotsay takes Fields' spot on the roster, and the newly acquired outfielder would take Wise's spot.

I wonder if Kotsay will start out in Charlotte or will he be with the Sox in Minnesota?

Domeshot17
07-28-2009, 03:23 PM
He had plenty of time to show he could hit (he could not). Had he batted .275 or .300, he would be starting in CF today for the WSox. But he couldn't. He could not even drive in any runs, either. He had 13 RBI all year. Beckham had more than that in his first month after being called up.

You make it sound like everyone wanted him to fail. That is 180 degrees from the truth. Everyone who is a Sox fan wanted him to do well. But BA could not produce. It's plain and simple.

Wise has 7 RBI :scratch: Still trying to find someone to explain to me how keeping Wise over BA was the fair thing to do.

MarkZ35
07-28-2009, 03:23 PM
This is disgusting. I have never seen so many people crying and sticking up for a .225 career hitter. Over 4 years he had almost 800 at bats. There are many guys with almost as much talent in AAA as Anderson that would do anything for 750 at bats in the bigs to try and prove themselves. He got his chance and it's time to move on with BA. He had plenty of chances with the Sox and did very little.

Jurr
07-28-2009, 03:24 PM
Boy, am I glad this soap opera is over. Never have I seen so much be made about so little. Bye, bye, Brian. Good luck in Pawtucket.

chisoxfanatic
07-28-2009, 03:24 PM
After Rowand left, we haven't had a real stud CF, so it's not like the organizational options were much better to not allow BA more playing time.

BadBobbyJenks
07-28-2009, 03:24 PM
Wise has 7 RBI :scratch: Still trying to find someone to explain to me how keeping Wise over BA was the fair thing to do.

Ozzie Guillen.

Cuck the Fubs
07-28-2009, 03:24 PM
:bitchslap:

WhiteSox5187
07-28-2009, 03:24 PM
I think the change of scenery will do Anderson some good. I don't know how this trade will help us at all, but I don't think it will hurt that much. Anderson was valuable if only as a defensive replacement. But, oh well.

jabrch
07-28-2009, 03:25 PM
With good coaching and a good manager in Boston, and nobody trying to make him fail, he's going to be Williams, Rice and Yaz all rolled into one package. Oh wait...you say he isn't going to Boston? He's going to Pawtucket? Oh...maybe he's a ****ty hitter?

sox102
07-28-2009, 03:25 PM
:bitchslap:

hahahahahahahaha

Boondock Saint
07-28-2009, 03:25 PM
Wise has 7 RBI :scratch: Still trying to find someone to explain to me how keeping Wise over BA was the fair thing to do.

Wise also went to the DL with a separated shoulder.

MarkZ35
07-28-2009, 03:25 PM
Wise has 7 RBI :scratch: Still trying to find someone to explain to me how keeping Wise over BA was the fair thing to do.
BA has almost double the ab's and they both have 7 rbi. I don't think Wise is great but he at least has a chance of getting a hit.

MushMouth
07-28-2009, 03:26 PM
It's a shame BAs natural position is CF and not pitcher. His hitting might be adequate for a pitcher. Is there a job for a designated fielder? Maybe if we stack our lineup with pitchers who can hit we could have played BA as our designated CF. Too bad OG and KW hated BA and never gave him a chance.

:rolling:

RedHeadPaleHoser
07-28-2009, 03:27 PM
After Rowand left, we haven't had a real stud CF, so it's not like the organizational options were much better to not allow BA more playing time.

Yes, we did - it was SUPPOSED to be Brian Anderson. He **** the bed at the plate in 2006. He cost HIMSELF the job and the CF starting position.

Big D
07-28-2009, 03:28 PM
If BA was really this diamond in the rough, you'd think somebody would have traded for him and made him an everyday player. He's basically a AAA outfielder for Boston. If one of their outfielders gets hurt (which is possible, since Drew and Baldelli are injury prone) he can come up and be serviceable, but that's about it. I guess this trade shows what his value was in the big leagues.

Whitesoxfan23
07-28-2009, 03:29 PM
I bet the mods will be working overtime today...

SoxyStu
07-28-2009, 03:29 PM
I wonder what happens with Fields.

If Kotsay is to help the big league club, the writing is on the wall for him.

gobears1987
07-28-2009, 03:29 PM
BA just got screwed. He goes from a team with no CF to a team with CF and LF locked up. He'll never be more than a 4th OF now.
Did you watch him play? He never had a prayer of starting on any team that was in contention. He flat out sucked. His career average is around .220 if that helps you. I am so glad I won't have to listen to FOBAs anymore.

getonbckthr
07-28-2009, 03:29 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how anyone thinks Kotsay is an upgrade from Anderson. Sure Brian never developed into an everyday player but seriously its Kotsay! I would have preffered a single A minor leaguer or something even a PTBNL.

oeo
07-28-2009, 03:30 PM
Wise has 7 RBI :scratch: Still trying to find someone to explain to me how keeping Wise over BA was the fair thing to do.

So we could keep both of them. If it wasn't all about Anderson, he would have been back at some point. I'd like to hope Quentin, Pods, Dye, and Wise will stay healthy, but it's likely someone will have a problem.

Anderson, like other first round picks, is a guy who was always the star and everything always came easy for him. When he reached the highest level and that wasn't the cas anymore, he didn't know how to handle it. I thought he finally came around last year and accepted his major league role, but apparently he's still completely oblivious to the fact that baseball is no longer so easy. Someday he'll accept his role.

34 Inch Stick
07-28-2009, 03:32 PM
Jeremy Reed was compared favorably to Mark Kotsay while he was coming up through the minors.

...and the circle of life is now complete

WhiteSoxFTW
07-28-2009, 03:32 PM
Welcome to Chicago Mark Kotsay! I just saw this stat from the story on whitesox.com: .373 career pinch hitting average.

That might be the only thing I like about this trade. I'm not too excited about the prospect of a 33 year-old with a bad back who was just DFA.

Hopefully, there is more to come from Kenny.

thedudeabides
07-28-2009, 03:32 PM
I never thought to check it out, but I figured today would be a good day.

I went to several other White Sox sites/message boards and there really isn't the quarter of the interest as there is at WSI. In several places they don't care at all.

So, I guess it is just a handful of extremely vocal fanboys that make this site intolerable when it comes to the immortal .225 hitting Brian Anderson; and his un-godly defensive status.

Never has more of a fuss been made over a worse player.

october23sp
07-28-2009, 03:33 PM
Crazy, just got Internet at football camp. Bye, BA. Go Kotsay!

Boondock Saint
07-28-2009, 03:33 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how anyone thinks Kotsay is an upgrade from Anderson. Sure Brian never developed into an everyday player but seriously its Kotsay! I would have preffered a single A minor leaguer or something even a PTBNL.

Not saying that Kotsay's some kind of special haul, but:

Plays the outfield:

BA- Check/Kotsay- Check

Can't hit:

BA- Check/Kotsay- Check

Also plays 1B and frees up Josh Fields for KW to trade:

BA- No Check/Kotsay- Check

jabrch
07-28-2009, 03:33 PM
Did you watch him play? He never had a prayer of starting on any team that was in contention. He flat out sucked. His career average is around .220 if that helps you. I am so glad I won't have to listen to FOBAs anymore.

He got more starts from a team in contention (the Sox) than he would have from nearly any other team that won 400 games since 2005. Seriously - name a team that made the post season twice in the last four years that would have given Brian Anderson 750 ABs.

Boondock Saint
07-28-2009, 03:35 PM
I never thought to check it out, but I figured today would be a good day.

I went to several other White Sox sites/message boards and there really isn't the quarter of the interest as there is at WSI. In several places they don't care at all.

So, I guess it is just a handful of extremely vocal fanboys that make this site intolerable when it comes to the immortal .225 hitting Brian Anderson; and his un-godly defensive status.

Never has more of a fuss been made over a worse player.

That's because every Sox fan that's worth a damn posts here. :cool:

thedudeabides
07-28-2009, 03:37 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how anyone thinks Kotsay is an upgrade from Anderson. Sure Brian never developed into an everyday player but seriously its Kotsay! I would have preffered a single A minor leaguer or something even a PTBNL.


He's a very good pinch hitter. We currently have nobody who can come off the bench cold and hit. BA was in AAA, so anyone on the roster is contributing more than BA.

Harry Chappas
07-28-2009, 03:37 PM
Is it possible for some you to just wish him best of luck in Boston and move on? What a bunch of sad lives some of you lead that you feel the need to trash every player that had the audacity to struggle while with the Sox.

Oh yeah, I forgot, his BIG crime was asking to be traded to a team where he might get a fresh start. The nerve of him!

whitesoxfan
07-28-2009, 03:38 PM
Is it possible for some you to just wish him best of luck in Boston and move on? What a bunch of sad lives some of you lead that you feel the need to trash every player that had the audacity to struggle while with the Sox.

Oh yeah, I forgot, his BIG crime was asking to be traded to a team where he might get a fresh start. The nerve of him!

Yes, we all have sad lives because we're criticizing the almighty Brian Anderson.

tstrike2000
07-28-2009, 03:39 PM
Is it possible for some you to just wish him best of luck in Boston and move on? What a bunch of sad lives some of you lead that you feel the need to trash every player that had the audacity to struggle while with the Sox.

Oh yeah, I forgot, his BIG crime was asking to be traded to a team where he might get a fresh start. The nerve of him!

:popcorn:

spawn
07-28-2009, 03:40 PM
Is it possible for some you to just wish him best of luck in Boston and move on? What a bunch of sad lives some of you lead that you feel the need to trash every player that had the audacity to struggle while with the Sox.
That's what the BA Appreciation Thread is for. It's here (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=114072). Go nuts. :thumbsup:

Oh yeah, I forgot, his BIG crime was asking to be traded to a team where he might get a fresh start. The nerve of him!
No, his big crime was not living up to the expectations placed on a #1 draft pick. No one here wanted him to fail. He just...did.

GoGoCrede
07-28-2009, 03:41 PM
Jeremy Reed was compared favorably to Mark Kotsay while he was coming up through the minors.

...and the circle of life is now complete

:rolling: Thank God my class was canceled for today. This has been hilarious.

Have Ozzie or KW commented yet?

Boondock Saint
07-28-2009, 03:41 PM
Is it possible for some you to just wish him best of luck in Boston and move on? What a bunch of sad lives some of you lead that you feel the need to trash every player that had the audacity to struggle while with the Sox.

Oh yeah, I forgot, his BIG crime was asking to be traded to a team where he might get a fresh start. The nerve of him!

http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.memecat.com/images/memes/chris_crocker_leave_britney_alone.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGOBf74kxN47ObFNX555Tp87sWxdQ

"Why won't you leave Brian ALONE!?"

JOKING..

Paulwny
07-28-2009, 03:41 PM
Is it possible for some you to just wish him best of luck in Boston and move on? What a bunch of sad lives some of you lead that you feel the need to trash every player that had the audacity to struggle while with the Sox.

Oh yeah, I forgot, his BIG crime was asking to be traded to a team where he might get a fresh start. The nerve of him!

He asked to be traded, you'd think his fans would be happy instead of bashing the trade.

BadBobbyJenks
07-28-2009, 03:42 PM
Is it possible for some you to just wish him best of luck in Boston and move on? What a bunch of sad lives some of you lead that you feel the need to trash every player that had the audacity to struggle while with the Sox.

Oh yeah, I forgot, his BIG crime was asking to be traded to a team where he might get a fresh start. The nerve of him!

The posters that patrolled these boards just trying to bait "FOBA's" were the most annoying people I have ever seen on WSI.

TomBradley72
07-28-2009, 03:43 PM
Is it possible for some you to just wish him best of luck in Boston and move on? What a bunch of sad lives some of you lead that you feel the need to trash every player that had the audacity to struggle while with the Sox.

Oh yeah, I forgot, his BIG crime was asking to be traded to a team where he might get a fresh start. The nerve of him!

Are you the guy from that "Leave Britney Alone" youtube video?

thomas35forever
07-28-2009, 03:43 PM
Holy ****. BA gets traded and the server is still working?:o:

I haven't read the whole thread, but kudos to members for keeping the forum working.

Whitesoxfan23
07-28-2009, 03:43 PM
Red Sox fans, and the rest of MLB, aren't even batting an eyelash at this, and here at WSI, you would think Beckham just got traded.:scratch:

TomBradley72
07-28-2009, 03:44 PM
http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.memecat.com/images/memes/chris_crocker_leave_britney_alone.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGOBf74kxN47ObFNX555Tp87sWxdQ

"Why won't you leave Brian ALONE!?"

JOKING..

Beat me to it. (Joking as well)

GoGoCrede
07-28-2009, 03:44 PM
http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.memecat.com/images/memes/chris_crocker_leave_britney_alone.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGOBf74kxN47ObFNX555Tp87sWxdQ

"Why won't you leave Brian ALONE!?"

JOKING..

:clap::rolling::rolling:

P.S. No offense to anyone, just thought this was hilarious.

Woofer
07-28-2009, 03:45 PM
Holy ****. BA gets traded and the server is still working?:o:

I haven't read the whole thread, but kudos to members for keeping the forum working.

Yes, I too worried that when this day came, this website would be left in smoldering ruins.

spawn
07-28-2009, 03:46 PM
http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.memecat.com/images/memes/chris_crocker_leave_britney_alone.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGOBf74kxN47ObFNX555Tp87sWxdQ

"Why won't you leave Brian ALONE!?"

JOKING..
Awesome. :thumbsup:

PaleHoser
07-28-2009, 03:48 PM
I remember wondering out loud why KW didn't deal for Kotsay instead of Swisher last year. At least Kotsay's a CF when healthy.

Let's home Herm Schneider can work his magic on Kotsay so we can coax three months of solid contributions out of him.

Cuck the Fubs
07-28-2009, 03:48 PM
Yes, I too worried that when this day came, this website would be left in smoldering ruins.

No...that day will be when Brian is hoisting the MVP Award for the Sawx in this years World Series :wink:

34 Inch Stick
07-28-2009, 03:52 PM
At one time the white sox minor leagues were overstocked with hope at the CF position:

Jeremy Reed
Chris Young
Brian Anderson
Ryan Sweeney

That is a pretty good cast for advocating trades of MLB talent for prospects.

thedudeabides
07-28-2009, 03:53 PM
The posters that patrolled these boards just trying to bait "FOBA's" were the most annoying people I have ever seen on WSI.

I found it to be the FOBA that hijacked an astronomical amount of threads, to the point where a White Sox discussion was nearly impossible.

BleacherBandit
07-28-2009, 03:56 PM
I've died a little bit inside after reading this entire thread.












Died and gone to heaven.

TommyJohn
07-28-2009, 04:00 PM
No...that day will be when Brian is hoisting the MVP Award for the Sawx in this years World Series :wink:

Don't laugh, it just might happen. It is always the unknown or bottom players that come through in those situations. Not that I had any use for BA, I didn't.

tstrike2000
07-28-2009, 04:06 PM
Either way, today's a good example of addition by subtraction for the White Sox.

WhiteSoxFTW
07-28-2009, 04:07 PM
Defense wins championships, so lets bench our best defender...I never understood it.

This is NOT the NFL. In the MLB, pitching wins championships. Oh, and timely hitting. :wink:

MUsoxfan
07-28-2009, 04:08 PM
I'm fairly disappointed in this thread. This has been news for 2hrs and it's not yet halfway to 500 posts. Maybe most of the FOBA's are just accepting defeat.

Lip Man 1
07-28-2009, 04:08 PM
Kenny got something at least for another failed White Sox 1st round draft choice.

Kotsey has a good arm, 3rd in the league in assists the past few years, can play all the outfield spots and even better this may mean the end of Dewayne Wise.

Let's hope.

Lip

PalehosePlanet
07-28-2009, 04:12 PM
Defense wins championships, so lets bench our best defender...I never understood it.

Really? I didn't know we were suddenly a football team.

WhiteSoxFTW
07-28-2009, 04:13 PM
It's nice to see that some posters still can't give him the credit he deserves for being an outstanding CF defensively. I'm sure our pitching staff was very thankful when he was helping back them up.

Maybe the new computerized ball/runner/defense tracking system will finally show BA's defensive worth. Until then, you might as well just give up the argument. You won't win here.

Jerome
07-28-2009, 04:14 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: KW and Ozzie prefer washed-up vets to developing their own players.


This, and not any particular fondness for Brian Anderson specifically, is why I was such a BA-backer.

Frankfan4life
07-28-2009, 04:15 PM
That we got anything for BA is a shock. :o:

Welcome to the White Sox, Mark Kotsay. I hope you have a lot of success here. You can't possibly be any worse than your replacement.

Jerome
07-28-2009, 04:16 PM
jeremy reed was compared favorably to mark kotsay while he was coming up through the minors.

...and the circle of life is now complete

lol :)

Mohoney
07-28-2009, 04:17 PM
The only thing left to do now is get another decent backup OF, and I would feel pretty good about the bench for the rest of the year.

Procol Harum
07-28-2009, 04:18 PM
I will forever be puzzled as to why so many other players who couldn't hit their own weight--and were liabilities on defense seemed to get extended time to get it all together and Anderson--arguably the best defensive outfielder we've had in the last decade--was treated like a yo-yo--start, bench, minors, bench, start, minors, etc., etc. His biggest shot came in the 2006 season, a succesful Sox season wherein their eventual demise had little to do with Anderson's .225 batting average--the unraveling that occurred in the 2006 season came when Anderson was riding the pines--he was the least of our problems.

Well, we'll see what happens. Kotsay would certainly have been a good pick-up a few years back--it would be nice to have someone on this freakin' roster capable of getting a timely hit after the 4th inning....

Frankfan4life
07-28-2009, 04:19 PM
i found it to be the foba that hijacked an astronomical amount of threads, to the point where a white sox discussion was nearly impossible.+1

Johnny Mostil
07-28-2009, 04:20 PM
That's what the BA Appreciation Thread is for. It's here (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=114072). Go nuts. :thumbsup:



It is? Then what is this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2303675&postcount=21) and this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2303684&postcount=23) and this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2303686&postcount=24) and this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2303686&postcount=24) and this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2303906&postcount=39) doing in it?

WhiteSoxFTW
07-28-2009, 04:22 PM
:bitchslap:

Good way to illustrate a lot of what's been going on here.

spawn
07-28-2009, 04:24 PM
It is? Then what is this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2303675&postcount=21) and this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2303684&postcount=23) and this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2303686&postcount=24) and this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2303686&postcount=24) and this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2303906&postcount=39) doing in it?
Probalby the same reason BA made his way into just about every thread here. I call it the chickens coming home to roost. :shrug:

Oh yeah...two of your links are to the same post.:wink:

VeeckAsInWreck
07-28-2009, 04:29 PM
I like that Kotsay brings a .373 career average as a pinch hitter. We all know that pinch hitting has been non-existent this year.

Johnny Mostil
07-28-2009, 04:31 PM
Probalby the same reason BA made his way into just about every thread here. I call it the chickens coming home to roost. :shrug:

Maybe. And why anybody would want a BA appreciation thread really escapes me. But it might have been a bit more honest for you to have told "Chappas" to, well, **** off. Just as it might have been a bit more honest for the commenters in the other thread to have told Anderson to **** off.



Oh yeah...two of your links are to the same post.:wink:

Thanks for the correction.:rolleyes:

Harry Chappas
07-28-2009, 04:32 PM
Are you the guy from that "Leave Britney Alone" youtube video?

Funny photo and Britney reference, but I'm not exactly what you'd call a FOBA - more like a fan of White Sox Players that Aren't Walking Rectums. I think BA fit into the latter group.

I also don't care much about the trade one way or the other. I just think some of you - specifically the ones taking cheap shots at him - are classless. BTW - I don't consider being critical of his abilities a cheap shot.

But by all means, carry on "partying like it's 2005." :bandance:

CLR01
07-28-2009, 04:32 PM
I was going to come here after reaing this thread and point out that I was right all along about some of these "Sox fans" we have posting here but then I realized some of you have had your panties all bunched up since your sweet Rowand left and I started to take pity on you. Have a ball haters, today is your day. :thumbsup: