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Frater Perdurabo
07-11-2009, 10:33 PM
:winner


Whew!

Frater Perdurabo
07-11-2009, 10:34 PM
Hell yes!

:bandance:

cbone
07-11-2009, 10:34 PM
Hell Yes!!!!! :o:

aryzner
07-11-2009, 10:34 PM
Bobby made it a little TOO interesting for my liking.

But a W is a W.

Also, Tigers lose!

DaveFeelsRight
07-11-2009, 10:34 PM
some of the reactions in the thread were priceless

SoxGirl4Life
07-11-2009, 10:34 PM
I can't celebrate yet. I have to wait til my heart gets outta my throat!

soxnut1018
07-11-2009, 10:34 PM
Yes! HELL YES!!!!!!!!! :bliss:
kM7C_yNlCLU

NDSox12
07-11-2009, 10:34 PM
Hell YES!

Over By There
07-11-2009, 10:34 PM
Never a doubt. /half teal

Take the series tomorrow boys.

Viva Medias B's
07-11-2009, 10:35 PM
We came this close to blowing it, but we'll take the win!

Red Barchetta
07-11-2009, 10:35 PM
Man! I hate that place. Nothing is ever easy!

Right after Stoney mentioned all the hits to SS, I was hoping for that exact game-ending play.

Let's win the series tomorrow!

Tip of the cap to Joe Crede for making it too interesting. :o:

SoxandtheCityTee
07-11-2009, 10:35 PM
Jeebus, I hate the Twins.

All wins are good wins.

Mohoney
07-11-2009, 10:35 PM
I'll be so glad when that place is out of my life forever.

chisox77
07-11-2009, 10:35 PM
The White Sox Train keeps on rolling along!

ndgt10
07-11-2009, 10:36 PM
Very exciting game. I was actually hoping it would have went in to extras. But Ill take it.

Bucky F. Dent
07-11-2009, 10:36 PM
Hell, Yes! I suspect Hawk will hear about that one.

I really want to be there to see them blow up that damned dome.

Soxman219
07-11-2009, 10:36 PM
I'm still about to have a heart attack.

spongyfungy
07-11-2009, 10:36 PM
take that Bat Girl. wherever you are

GoGoCrede
07-11-2009, 10:36 PM
I was hiding behind my hands the whole time. Whew. Don't joke around like that, Bobby. :redneck

Gavin's 7th win. :tongue:

Thatguyoverthere
07-11-2009, 10:36 PM
**** that place. I'm still angry even though we won, **** the Twins. :angry:

Frater Perdurabo
07-11-2009, 10:36 PM
Bobby made it a little TOO interesting for my liking.

But a W is a W.

Also, Tigers lose!

None of those balls was hit hard, except Crede's shot that got through Beckham's legs. Still, I agree that Bobby damn near gave us a heart attack.

NDSox12
07-11-2009, 10:36 PM
The Sox just matched their 2008 total for wins A) in the Metrodome (1) and B) on artificial turf (4).

October26
07-11-2009, 10:36 PM
Wow - that was way too scary at the end. But Bobby hung on for his 20th save and Gavin pitched a gem tonight. Very happy about this White Sox winner! :bandance:

PKalltheway
07-11-2009, 10:36 PM
Ahhhh, we had 'em all the way.:wink:

MtGrnwdSoxFan
07-11-2009, 10:36 PM
:twinslose

The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

That said, about damn time we won a game in that hellhole.

Soxman219
07-11-2009, 10:37 PM
September 2nd can't come soon enough!

NDSox12
07-11-2009, 10:37 PM
Very exciting game. I was actually hoping it would have went in to extras. But Ill take it.

Seriously?

Red Barchetta
07-11-2009, 10:37 PM
It was nice to win a game in there the way the Twins usually do...with a broken bat, base-clearing, three-run double. Way to go Thome!

SoxGirl4Life
07-11-2009, 10:37 PM
Very exciting game. I was actually hoping it would have went in to extras. But Ill take it.

You're on crack!

DrCrawdad
07-11-2009, 10:38 PM
Whew! I can get some peace tonight!

Frater Perdurabo
07-11-2009, 10:38 PM
How about Alexei with the game winning double play!

chisox77
07-11-2009, 10:38 PM
Would it be too much to ask for a series win?

Why not - dream big, let's get the win for tomorrow.

gf2020
07-11-2009, 10:38 PM
No matter what happens, the White Sox will hit the break in second place with a much better chance that the media and many here gave them. A win tomorrow would be huge.

Frater Perdurabo
07-11-2009, 10:39 PM
Thome, BA and Nix all had nice games.

GoGoCrede
07-11-2009, 10:39 PM
Tigers lose also :)

JB98
07-11-2009, 10:39 PM
The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

johnnyg83
07-11-2009, 10:40 PM
Very exciting game. I was actually hoping it would have went in to extras. But Ill take it.

That's the stupidest ****ing thing I've ever heard. And I used to read Marionotti.

october23sp
07-11-2009, 10:40 PM
t66uuDdpwaU

chisoxfanatic
07-11-2009, 10:40 PM
That's one of the loudest "Hell Yes!" I've heard from Hawk.

It's always nice to beat the Twins. We're now 5-3 against them this year.

Go get them tomorrow, Mark!

Frater Perdurabo
07-11-2009, 10:40 PM
The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.

Let's hope they are tomorrow, too.

Buehrle on the bump. Let's go for the series win!

tstrike2000
07-11-2009, 10:41 PM
Between the usual crucial error, hit batter, and garbage bag dome hops no one ever knows what's gonna happen at that trash heap. Nice job by Bag-a-Bones on the double play at the end and nice job by the bottom of the order tonight, too.

PeteWard
07-11-2009, 10:41 PM
MB tomorrow will be on for the series win!

chisoxfanatic
07-11-2009, 10:41 PM
The Twins are crappy. They are perpetual losers.
MtGrnwdSoxFan beat you to that, JB. :cool:

Chicken Dinner
07-11-2009, 10:41 PM
Guess I can have some Chicken! :smile:

Woofer
07-11-2009, 10:41 PM
Seven more games in hell.

Brian26
07-11-2009, 10:41 PM
That's the stupidest ****ing thing I've ever heard.

I think what he *meant* to say was that he was expecting a loss with a Twins walkoff, so he was hoping the Sox could hang on and at least send it to extras.

At least, that's what I *hope* he meant to say.

soxfan21
07-11-2009, 10:42 PM
Grew some grey hairs watching that one, but a win is a win and I'll take it.

chisoxfanatic
07-11-2009, 10:42 PM
Despite giving up 5 runs, I think Gavin pitched a hell of a game. He was dealing for the most part.

GoGoCrede
07-11-2009, 10:43 PM
some of the reactions in the thread were priceless

Guilty as charged. :D:

JB98
07-11-2009, 10:43 PM
MtGrnwdSoxFan beat you to that, JB. :cool:

Well, I'm at work tonight. I'm only able to post during down moments.

october23sp
07-11-2009, 10:45 PM
MtGrnwdSoxFan beat you to that, JB. :cool:

Doesn't count from anyone but JB, unless I'm saying it to my Twins friends.:tongue:

chisoxfanatic
07-11-2009, 10:45 PM
Well, I'm at work tonight. I'm only able to post during down moments.
Are you "moderating" Timberwolf ramblings??? :redneck

chisoxfanatic
07-11-2009, 10:46 PM
Doesn't count from anyone but JB, unless I'm saying it to my Twins friends.:tongue:
Better watch it...JB98 might sue you! :wink:

thomas35forever
07-11-2009, 10:48 PM
We just can't have an easy game in that place, can we? Nevertheless, I'll take any game there that ends with us having more runs at the end.

chisoxfanatic
07-11-2009, 10:48 PM
Countdown = 7 more games in that crappy ****hole

JB98
07-11-2009, 10:50 PM
Are you "moderating" Timberwolf ramblings??? :redneck

Not tonight. I'm editing stories about the Kane County Cougars -- and waiting for the NASCAR race to get over.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
07-11-2009, 10:50 PM
A Sox winner at the Metrodome, and now to relax with some OOTP 10.

Sleep well, Chicago, for the Pale Hose were victorious tonight.

TDog
07-11-2009, 10:50 PM
We came this close to blowing it, but we'll take the win!

The Twins actually came close to blowing their win last night. And the Indians came close to blowing their win against the Sox the day before. The Sox won tonight, and that's what baseball's all about Charlie Brown.

Imagine the hostility if a White Sox hitter -- Pierzynski maybe -- came up with men on base and only one out with the Sox down by a run late in the game and grounded into a doubleplay. Or think back to last night when the Sox could have taken the lead with a runner at third and one out, but instead were finished scoring for the night. Imagine how the Twins fans are feeling tonight.

For people who claim it's never easy, recall the last three games that Linebrink pitched. He finished all three games, retiring 14 hitters in the process and allowed only one baserunner. Yet game threads are punctuated with icons signifying horror at the mere mention of his name. I'm not saying Linebrink is a better pitcher than Jenks. He wasn't pitching in save situations, of course. But Jenks was on the outside edge of a save situation tonight and needed the margin. All pitchers have bad nights. Having a bad night and still getting the save is still getting the job done, though.

Jenks is a great closer, and I'll bet there are people posting as I type this who will advocate trading him. They are overreacting of course. That's what White Sox fans do best.

This weekend, the Twins, White Sox, Tigers and even the Indians each have one win and one loss. And that's one more Metrodome game off the White Sox schedule.

tacosalbarojas
07-11-2009, 10:51 PM
I think what he *meant* to say was that he was expecting a loss with a Twins walkoff, so he was hoping the Sox could hang on and at least send it to extras.

At least, that's what I *hope* he meant to say.This was either going one way or the other in ninth...I don't think we had a prayer of extras.

Britt Burns
07-11-2009, 10:51 PM
Yes! Gavin did pitch very well, and that is one less game we will ever have to play in that craphole.

NDSox12
07-11-2009, 10:52 PM
A Sox winner at the Metrodome, and now to relax with some OOTP 10.

Sleep well, Chicago, for the Pale Hose were victorious tonight.

Ahh, so I'm not the only OOTP fan here. I finally downloaded 10 yesterday.

thedudeabides
07-11-2009, 10:53 PM
Better watch it...JB98 might sue you! :wink:

That's what I was thinking. It may not be copyrighted, but I think that should be generally acknowledged around these parts. :cool:

I look forward to it after every Sox win over the Twinkies.

BoysMom3
07-11-2009, 10:53 PM
Now that the threat of a heart attack is over, my hand hurts from the several hard high-fives I have my husband at the end of that game. I was getting really, really mad! I thought - we will not fail against them tonight again!! And at first I felt sad watching Crede hit so well against us in his Twins uni, and then it was pissing me off by the end!! All those dang shots in the gap by everyone, I'm so glad it's over. I told my husband right before the last play - well, they're still losing. They're the ones that have to make something happen.

chisoxfanatic
07-11-2009, 10:54 PM
Now that the threat of a heart attack is over, my hand hurts from the several hard high-fives I have my husband at the end of that game. I was getting really, really mad! I thought - we will not fail against them tonight again!! And at first I felt sad watching Crede hit so well against us in his Twins uni, and then it was pissing me off by the end!! All those dang shots in the gap by everyone, I'm so glad it's over. I told my husband right before the last play - well, they're still losing. They're the ones that have to make something happen.
Is it just me, or does Joe Crede look ass ugly in that uniform???

Tragg
07-11-2009, 10:55 PM
I couldn't watch that closely tonight because I had kids running around, but how was Anderson's shot to right not a home run? It was way high and rammed the hefty bags?

Frater Perdurabo
07-11-2009, 10:56 PM
I couldn't watch that closely tonight because I had kids running around, but how was Anderson's shot to right not a home run? It was way high and rammed the hefty bags?

Yep. The Dump Dome Baggie has garbage on both sides of it.

chisoxfanatic
07-11-2009, 10:56 PM
I couldn't watch that closely tonight because I had kids running around, but how was Anderson's shot to right not a home run? It was way high and rammed the hefty bags?
Aren't the ground rules that you have to hit the folded in seats up there for it to be a HR?

WhiteSox1989
07-11-2009, 10:56 PM
I know we won but I'm still kind of amped up.


**** the Twins
**** Joe Crede (in a Twins uniform).
And **** the Metrodome.

:D:

thedudeabides
07-11-2009, 10:58 PM
Yep. The Dump Dome Baggie has garbage on both sides of it.

Nice. :D:

SoxGirl4Life
07-11-2009, 10:58 PM
And my daughter is actually dating a Twins fan. :scratch:

BigP50
07-11-2009, 11:00 PM
And my daughter is actually dating a Twins fan. :scratch:


do u still talk to her

Frater Perdurabo
07-11-2009, 11:01 PM
And my daughter is actually dating a Twins fan. :scratch:

My sister married a Twins/Vikes fan. He really is a great guy, except for his MLB/NFL tastes. But even he agrees the Dump Dome is a terrible place for baseball.

MtGrnwdSoxFan
07-11-2009, 11:03 PM
Ahh, so I'm not the only OOTP fan here. I finally downloaded 10 yesterday.

I just downloaded it yesterday too. I'm trying to tinker with it, to build a league that begins in the 1880s to sim it through. I'm just having a difficult time getting everything sorted out, as far as ballparks, teams, etc.

Dick Allen
07-11-2009, 11:06 PM
The Twins actually came close to blowing their win last night. And the Indians came close to blowing their win against the Sox the day before. The Sox won tonight, and that's what baseball's all about Charlie Brown.

Imagine the hostility if a White Sox hitter -- Pierzynski maybe -- came up with men on base and only one out with the Sox down by a run late in the game and grounded into a doubleplay. Or think back to last night when the Sox could have taken the lead with a runner at third and one out, but instead were finished scoring for the night. Imagine how the Twins fans are feeling tonight.

For people who claim it's never easy, recall the last three games that Linebrink pitched. He finished all three games, retiring 14 hitters in the process and allowed only one baserunner. Yet game threads are punctuated with icons signifying horror at the mere mention of his name. I'm not saying Linebrink is a better pitcher than Jenks. He wasn't pitching in save situations, of course. But Jenks was on the outside edge of a save situation tonight and needed the margin. All pitchers have bad nights. Having a bad night and still getting the save is still getting the job done, though.

Jenks is a great closer, and I'll bet there are people posting as I type this who will advocate trading him. They are overreacting of course. That's what White Sox fans do best.

This weekend, the Twins, White Sox, Tigers and even the Indians each have one win and one loss. And that's one more Metrodome game off the White Sox schedule.Actually, AJ did exactly that against the flubs in the Friday game at the Cell. Check out that postgame thread.

SOXSINCE'70
07-11-2009, 11:07 PM
It's time to win a Series at the Dump Dome; losing is not an option.
And with BurlyMon going tomorrow,the possibility of winning this series looks good (I hope).

Can the Sox walk Joe Crede for the rest of the season??

Just had to ask a dumb question.Sorry.

johnnyg83
07-11-2009, 11:08 PM
great night from 7-8-9 ... 7 hits

dios mio, we'd be something if they could produce on a regular basis.

Frater Perdurabo
07-11-2009, 11:08 PM
Can the Sox walk Joe Crede for the rest of ths season??

I'd give him a steady diet of sliders in the dirt.

Tragg
07-11-2009, 11:09 PM
And my daughter is actually dating a Twins fan. :scratch:
Don't blame yourself. Despite all of our efforts, children sometimes go wrong.

SoxGirl4Life
07-11-2009, 11:11 PM
do u still talk to her

lol.. She's a huge Sox fan so she's keeping him in check. She's going to the last game in the Metrodome wearing her Sox Crede jersey and Sox WS hat.

Cuck the Fubs
07-11-2009, 11:11 PM
Glad we got the win....what I'm even happier about is we are one step closer to never ever having to play in that ****hole ever again.

Get the series win tomorrow guys!!!!

twinsuck
07-11-2009, 11:12 PM
There is a god!

soxnut1018
07-11-2009, 11:12 PM
lol.. She's a huge Sox fan so she's keeping him in check. She's going to the last game in the Metrodome wearing her Sox Crede jersey and Sox WS hat.

She didn't burn it?

SoxGirl4Life
07-11-2009, 11:13 PM
Don't blame yourself. Despite all of our efforts, children sometimes go wrong.

She proudly flaunts her Sox gear, so she's not converting!

cheezheadsoxfan
07-11-2009, 11:13 PM
And my daughter is actually dating a Twins fan. :scratch:

My boss is a Twins fan but I have to admit a very nice guy.

SOXSINCE'70
07-11-2009, 11:14 PM
I'd give him a steady diet of sliders in the dirt.

Anything.Just please GET HIM OUT!!:angry:

TDog
07-11-2009, 11:17 PM
Actually, AJ did exactly that against the flubs in the Friday game at the Cell. Check out that postgame thread.

Indeed, that was my point.

BigP50
07-11-2009, 11:19 PM
lol.. She's a huge Sox fan so she's keeping him in check. She's going to the last game in the Metrodome wearing her Sox Crede jersey and Sox WS hat.


make sure you check in a lot, we dont want her to convert.

chisoxfanatic
07-11-2009, 11:20 PM
Glad we got the win....what I'm even happier about is we are one step closer to never ever having to play in that ****hole ever again.

Get the series win tomorrow guys!!!!
Like I said before, there are only 7 more games left in the Dump Dome.
She didn't burn it?
I'm never burning my Havlat sweater. Why should she burn her Crede shirt? He WAS a huge part in bringing us that championship!

Lip Man 1
07-11-2009, 11:29 PM
What a strange, bizarre, convoluted evening. Honestly I'm not sure what to make of it all and how it may play out tomorrow and in the future.

Who has the momentum Sunday given what happened on Saturday?

I try to look at some of the different possibilities at my blog at ChicagoNow.com if anyone is interested or wants to comment.

I like Buehrle going Sunday but damn Minnesota simply refuses to ever make it easy. You absolutely wonder what was going through the White Sox minds in that 9th inning.

Lip

SOXSINCE'70
07-11-2009, 11:33 PM
You absolutely wonder what was going through the White Sox minds in that 9th inning.

Lip

I know what was going through my mind:

"Aw, C'mon,guys.Don't blow another ****ing game at that ****ing dome!"

slavko
07-11-2009, 11:38 PM
The Twins actually came close to blowing their win last night. And the Indians came close to blowing their win against the Sox the day before. The Sox won tonight, and that's what baseball's all about Charlie Brown.

Imagine the hostility if a White Sox hitter -- Pierzynski maybe -- came up with men on base and only one out with the Sox down by a run late in the game and grounded into a doubleplay. Or think back to last night when the Sox could have taken the lead with a runner at third and one out, but instead were finished scoring for the night. Imagine how the Twins fans are feeling tonight.

For people who claim it's never easy, recall the last three games that Linebrink pitched. He finished all three games, retiring 14 hitters in the process and allowed only one baserunner. Yet game threads are punctuated with icons signifying horror at the mere mention of his name. I'm not saying Linebrink is a better pitcher than Jenks. He wasn't pitching in save situations, of course. But Jenks was on the outside edge of a save situation tonight and needed the margin. All pitchers have bad nights. Having a bad night and still getting the save is still getting the job done, though.

Jenks is a great closer, and I'll bet there are people posting as I type this who will advocate trading him. They are overreacting of course. That's what White Sox fans do best.

This weekend, the Twins, White Sox, Tigers and even the Indians each have one win and one loss. And that's one more Metrodome game off the White Sox schedule.

Saved me the hard work. But Jenks is a very good closer, not great. I wonder (not very hard, tho) how Twins fans feel after coming so close and failing in the clutch. The momentum is right here and in MB's left arm.


I like Buehrle going Sunday but damn Minnesota simply refuses to ever make it easy. You absolutely wonder what was going through the White Sox minds in that 9th inning.

Lip

In Alexei's mind, "Hit It To Me!" I hope, anyway.

Zisk77
07-11-2009, 11:46 PM
Saved me the hard work. But Jenks is a very good closer, not great. I wonder (not very hard, tho) how Twins fans feel after coming so close and failing in the clutch. The momentum is right here and in MB's left arm.



In Alexei's mind, "Hit It To Me!" I hope, anyway.


i prefer the Pedro Guerro quote: " please don't hit it to me & God please don't let them hit it to Steve Sax!"

infohawk
07-11-2009, 11:48 PM
Still, I agree that Bobby damn near gave us a heart attack.

Bobby looked dominating. He was getting ahead of the hitters and forcing some bad swings while pitching up with the heat. He would get two strikes on the hitters, and then throw lower in the zone and get hit. I couldn't understand why he didn't stay up in the zone. His curve didn't seem real sharp tonight. Anyway, he got the save. :D:

JB98
07-11-2009, 11:52 PM
Bobby looked dominating. He was getting ahead of the hitters and forcing some bad swings while pitching up with the heat. He would get two strikes on the hitters, and then throw lower in the zone and get hit. I couldn't understand why he didn't stay up in the zone. His curve didn't seem real sharp tonight. Anyway, he got the save. :D:

The curve has been a problem pitch for Jenks all year. His fastball looks as good as ever. He's throwing harder this season, and he has good movement on it.

His breaking ball has just been real flat.

SoxSpeed22
07-11-2009, 11:52 PM
If you told me that Crede would drive in 4 runs today, I figure we would've been screwed. Good job by Gavin except for one inning when he lost his curveball. That Cuddyer "hit" that started that 9th inning rally was the same Metrodump **** that usually happens when we're in that hellhole. At least we got one. Let's get greedy tomorrow with Buehrle.

TDog
07-11-2009, 11:53 PM
Saved me the hard work. But Jenks is a very good closer, not great. I wonder (not very hard, tho) how Twins fans feel after coming so close and failing in the clutch. The momentum is right here and in MB's left arm. ...

When I was a kid in Munster, I used to get in arguments with my friend across that street about the existence of momentum in sports. He would say there is no such thing. I used to argue that P=ma -- Momentum equals mass times velocity. Essentially, I refused to cooperate in the arguments he loved to engage me in.

I rather agree with you, though. If there the Twins had momentum in the ninth inning, they would have won the game, or at least tied it. they wouldn't have hit into the doubleplay.

infohawk
07-11-2009, 11:56 PM
I know what was going through my mind:

"Aw, C'mon,guys.Don't blow another ****ing game at that ****ing dome!"

It sure appears as if the Twins get really tough from the 7th inning on. It just seems like the Sox have to bank some runs early and try to hold on. It would be interesting to do a statistical analysis on how Twins' hitters perform from the 7th inning on at home against the rest of the league. It may be the case that it just appears that they become tougher outs (clouded by my expectation, based on experience, that things tend to go south for the Sox in the Metrodome).

chisoxfanatic
07-12-2009, 12:08 AM
If you told me that Crede would drive in 4 runs today, I figure we would've been screwed. Good job by Gavin except for one inning when he lost his curveball. That Cuddyer "hit" that started that 9th inning rally was the same Metrodump **** that usually happens when we're in that hellhole. At least we got one. Let's get greedy tomorrow with Buehrle.
Like I said in the game thread, the biggest moment in the game was coming right back with three runs in the top of the 6th after giving up that 3-run shot to Crede in the bottom of the 5th.

johnnyg83
07-12-2009, 12:14 AM
How can anyone say Jenks isn't a great closer?

How are you defining great closer? Rollie Fingers? Eckersley?

WHo else would you take for the last four years? Rivera? Papelbon? Nathan? Who else?

kitekrazy
07-12-2009, 12:14 AM
I always have this feeling at the twinkie dome, if the Sox put up 20 the Twins put up 19 or 21.

Foulke You
07-12-2009, 12:22 AM
I always have this feeling at the twinkie dome, if the Sox put up 20 the Twins put up 19 or 21.
You can never have enough runs in that place. You are always a few bloops, chops, bunts, and a double away from disaster. To put it in perspective though, the Twins struggle mightily in our ballpark the last few years. I'm sure the Twins fans feel they can never score enough in our park because we have mashers up and down the lineup who can carve up a Twins lead with a HR barrage at any moment. Both teams are built to their parks. However, this year, the Sox are better equipped to manufacture runs at the Dome with the added speed of Beckham, Getz, Nix, and Pods. The 9th inning tonight started like many a Metrodome meltdown of yester yore. A bloop single up the middle, an error on the 3B, a hit batsmen, and then a double to knock home the runs. Thank God the DP bailed us out. Big win tonight. Let's get the win Sunday and go into the all star break continuing this roll we've been on.

Tragg
07-12-2009, 12:25 AM
Just win tomorrow and the Humpty Dumpty Dome is ours.....The Sox are weapons, they are ministers of baseball death praying for war in the dump dome.

slavko
07-12-2009, 12:34 AM
Like I said in the game thread, the biggest moment in the game was coming right back with three runs in the top of the 6th after giving up that 3-run shot to Crede in the bottom of the 5th.

I wasn't in the game thread, but I was thinking this is like tennis, where our serve was broken and we broke right back. And on a broken bat gork shot that the CF broke back on, all the sweeter. Has to peeve off Twins fans.

Domeshot17
07-12-2009, 01:02 AM
How can anyone say Jenks isn't a great closer?

How are you defining great closer? Rollie Fingers? Eckersley?

WHo else would you take for the last four years? Rivera? Papelbon? Nathan? Who else?

I love Jenks, I hope he is here for years, but I don't put him in the top tier of closers. He is in the top 10, but not the top 5 in my book. He is in that Very Good, could make an all star team type, but not in the Great/Elite All Star every year type.

voodoochile
07-12-2009, 01:23 AM
What a strange, bizarre, convoluted evening. Honestly I'm not sure what to make of it all and how it may play out tomorrow and in the future.

In the game thread, I called it a bizarro game because everything was opposite. The Sox dinking and blooping their way to all of their runs including Thome's double off the concrete that cleared the bases with 2 outs after boucing 15 feet in the air and away from both defenders who were chasing it. Turned out to be a pretty important run there from that bounce. Meanwhile the Twinkies were scoring all their runs by the big fly.

In the 9th things returned to normal or normal for that house of horrors. If Beckham gets the glove down or at least keeps the ball in front of him, the game probably doesn't get that close or make things feel as desperate.

Still any win in Twinkie land is a good one.

:soxwin:

:)

johnnyg83
07-12-2009, 01:43 AM
I love Jenks, I hope he is here for years, but I don't put him in the top tier of closers. He is in the top 10, but not the top 5 in my book. He is in that Very Good, could make an all star team type, but not in the Great/Elite All Star every year type.

Who are the five better? Closer is one of the most transient positions in the majors -- studs go to stank faster at closer than almost every other position. Longevity counts.

soxnut1018
07-12-2009, 01:56 AM
Who are the five better? Closer is one of the most transient positions in the majors -- studs go to stank faster at closer than almost every other position. Longevity counts.

Rivera, Papelbon, Nathan, Hoffman, Rodriguez, and MacDougal

LoveYourSuit
07-12-2009, 02:01 AM
Any win we can grab on the road while playing the Twins is huge.

Our pitching has not been good the last 3 nights, I hope we can correct this soon.

Jenks has saved the biggest games for my Sox in my lifetime, but I am very scared everytime he takes the mound these days. He is just not missing too many bats these days. He did bring it up to 95mph tonight, but I so miss the 98-99 of the old days. His cureveball is not effective anymore also.

johnnyg83
07-12-2009, 02:01 AM
Rivera, Papelbon, Nathan, Hoffman, Rodriguez, and MacDougal
Much rather have BBBJ than Krod ... everyone else I could agree ... but Hoffman and Papeldance ain't what they were

chisoxfanatic
07-12-2009, 02:19 AM
Jenks has saved the biggest games for my Sox in my lifetime, but I am very scared everytime he takes the mound these days. He is just not missing too many bats these days. He did bring it up to 95mph tonight, but I so miss the 98-99 of the old days. His cureveball is not effective anymore also.
I'll have to give him a small pass considering he didn't see any action for 8 days before last night's game. He's just rusty and will be fine.

ChiSoxGirl
07-12-2009, 02:20 AM
Between the usual crucial error, hit batter, and garbage bag dome hops no one ever knows what's gonna happen at that trash heap. Nice job by Bag-a-Bones on the double play at the end and nice job by the bottom of the order tonight, too.

Love me some Bag-a-Bones! :bandance:

Zisk77
07-12-2009, 02:27 AM
I love Jenks, I hope he is here for years, but I don't put him in the top tier of closers. He is in the top 10, but not the top 5 in my book. He is in that Very Good, could make an all star team type, but not in the Great/Elite All Star every year type.


I gotta disagree here. having mlb extra innings I get to see everyone and I've seen the so called Elite closers give it up and look shaky as much if not more than Jenks. I don't know if I ever seen a closer with such an array of nasty pitches as Jenks. most others are one or two trick ponies.

guillensdisciple
07-12-2009, 03:08 AM
Sox win, and that is all that matters my friends. Now lets take the series tomorrow with Burls pitching, and show the Twins that they no longer have an advantage over us.

SCCWS
07-12-2009, 09:57 AM
Much rather have BBBJ than Krod ... everyone else I could agree ... but Hoffman and Papeldance ain't what they were


HUH???? Papelbon is having the best season of his career so far.

1989
07-12-2009, 09:59 AM
Since a lot of us would have crucified Oz for leaving Jenks in to face Span if he had blown the game, I would like to congratulate Oz for not overmanaging and keeping him in there to get the double play. :redneck

BoysMom3
07-12-2009, 10:38 AM
I was all riled up for a long time last night after the game. I even woke up this morning all upset because I had a dream about it!

After those two homers and four runs that Crede was responsible for, I was so nervous at his next at-bat. All I could think of was - omg, please don't pull a Paulie!!

voodoochile
07-12-2009, 10:48 AM
Rivera, Papelbon, Nathan, Hoffman, Rodriguez, and MacDougal

That's 5 there are 30 teams in MLB. Finding a guy who can close well for a long period of time is difficult.

slavko
07-12-2009, 10:50 AM
I'll have to give him a small pass considering he didn't see any action for 8 days before last night's game. He's just rusty and will be fine.


True. Longevity as a closer being a factor also true. But if I had to get the side out in the 9th of the WS game 7 and I had him and Joakim Soria in my bullpen right here, right now, I go to Joakim Soria. Just as an example, mind you.

Repeat, he's a very good closer.

Domeshot17
07-12-2009, 11:26 AM
True. Longevity as a closer being a factor also true. But if I had to get the side out in the 9th of the WS game 7 and I had him and Joakim Soria in my bullpen right here, right now, I go to Joakim Soria. Just as an example, mind you.

Repeat, he's a very good closer.

That is what I was saying, Jenks falls somewhere between 7th and 9th best in the league. That is still very good, it just isn't in the top/elite/upper echelon. He is in the 2nd tier. I am not saying he is just average, I am not saying he is just good, I am just saying he isn't ELITE. To me, an elite closer is irreplacable, Rivera, Paplebon etc. I put Hoffman there because he is the 2nd best closer possibly ever. K-Rod, I hate him as much as anyone, but he is elite. Nathan is the most under rated closer in the league.

Then in the next group, it is kind of a toss up with Jenks, guys like Soria and Broxton, Fuentes, and he slots infront of guys like Cordero, Valverde Frank Fancisco.

Odds are when Rivera and Hoffman hang it up, he moves into top 5. But Closers are hard to project. Lidge was unreal last year, and hes back to sucking this year. Billy Wagner was a top 5 closer until he hurt his arm, now he may be done.

TDog
07-12-2009, 11:36 AM
True. Longevity as a closer being a factor also true. But if I had to get the side out in the 9th of the WS game 7 and I had him and Joakim Soria in my bullpen right here, right now, I go to Joakim Soria.

Repeat, he's a very good closer.

You might be right, but Jenks was a rookie who started the season in the minors the season he closed three World Series games, including Game 7. He did blow a save in Game 2, but he came back in Game 3 and held the Astros in extra innings so that Mark Buehrle could eventually get a World Series Save. But that was four seasons ago.

You look at Soria pitch and you surely would rather have him as your closer, but he isn't the closer Eric Gagne once was. Nobody was that good, and during his record streak, he blew a save opportunity in the All-Star Game. Both Soria and Jenks are better than Gagne now. A lot of closers are. You might prefer Mariano Rivera to protect your hypothetical one-run lead in Game 7 of your World World Series, but even when he was at the top of the game, he lost a Game 7 to the Diamondbacks.

Great closers have blown big games. I'm not unhappy that Joe Nathan didn't have a chance to blow game 163 last year before he took the high ground and whined about how unfair it was that the Twins didn't earn homefield advantage with their regular season records. But I liked having Jenks come in to clinch the division on the last pitch the day after the season ended for everyone else.

I'm not so sure the difference between having a great closer and a very good closer is anything to worry about.

Domeshot17
07-12-2009, 11:40 AM
You might be right, but Jenks was a rookie who started the season in the minors the season he closed three World Series games, including Game 7. He did blow a save in Game 2, but he came back in Game 3 and held the Astros in extra innings so that Mark Buehrle could eventually get a World Series Save. But that was four seasons ago.

You look at Soria pitch and you surely would rather have him as your closer, but he isn't the closer Eric Gagne once was. Nobody was that good, and during his record streak, he blew a save opportunity in the All-Star Game. Both Soria and Jenks are better than Gagne now. A lot of closers are. You might prefer Mariano Rivera to protect your hypothetical one-run lead in Game 7 of your World World Series, but even when he was at the top of the game, he lost a Game 7 to the Diamondbacks.

Great closers have blown big games. I'm not unhappy that Joe Nathan didn't have a chance to blow game 163 last year before he took the high ground and whined about how unfair it was that the Twins didn't earn homefield advantage with their regular season records. But I liked having Jenks come in to clinch the division on the last pitch the day after the season ended for everyone else.

I'm not so sure the difference between having a great closer and a very good closer is anything to worry about.

I agree with your end assessment, closers are very over rated but I would not compare anyone to Gagne. Unless we want to see how good Jenks Soria Paplebon etc can be on steroids, it is apples and oranges.

TDog
07-12-2009, 11:45 AM
I agree with your end assessment, closers are very over rated but I would not compare anyone to Gagne. Unless we want to see how good Jenks Soria Paplebon etc can be on steroids, it is apples and oranges.

Steroids is irrelevant to my point.

wassagstdu
07-12-2009, 11:56 AM
After watching Crede's long, looping, uppercut swing produce popup after popup through most of his mediocre career with the Sox, it makes wonder where the bat speed he displayed last night was most of his time in a Sox uniform. I guess it is just the extra adrenaline he gets from wanting to help the Twins beat the Sox. He did show some of it with the Sox once he saw payday coming. The Sox, on the other hand, seem to have a soft spot for their old buddy, so the same pitcher who can overmatch the best hitter in the AL all night gets beaten up by .235 Crede.

russ99
07-12-2009, 12:06 PM
Any win we can grab on the road while playing the Twins is huge.

Our pitching has not been good the last 3 nights, I hope we can correct this soon.

Jenks has saved the biggest games for my Sox in my lifetime, but I am very scared everytime he takes the mound these days. He is just not missing too many bats these days. He did bring it up to 95mph tonight, but I so miss the 98-99 of the old days. His cureveball is not effective anymore also.

Jenks is fine. The fastball velocity and control has been good his last few outings and he was getting guys out with the hammer a week or two ago, it will come back.

My issue is Ozzie playing with fire and tempting fate so often and bringing Bobby in to close out the 8th inning. Two problems with that:

1. Jenks coming in from the dugout has a different focus then when he comes in from the pen. He may do well in the 8th, but most often that leads to a shakier 9th.

2. The Sox have 3 MLB quality setup guys (albeit with some iffy performances lately) and not getting one of them in to do their job in the 8th inning sends them all a wrong message, confidence wise.

JB98
07-12-2009, 12:12 PM
Jenks is fine. The fastball velocity and control is there and he was getting guys out with the hammer a week or two ago, it will come back.

My issue is Ozzie playing with fire and tempting fate so often and bringing Bobby in to close out the 8th inning. Two problems with that:

1. Jenks coming in from the dugout has a different focus then when he comes in from the pen. He may do well in the 8th, but most often that leads to a shakier 9th.

2. The Sox have 3 MLB quality setup guys (albeit with some iffy performances lately) and not getting one of them in to do their job in the 8th inning sends them all a wrong message, confidence wise.


Thornton had pitched three consecutive days, and I think that changed the strategy last night. If Thornton's available, he gets the call to face Morneau in the eighth.

I don't like using Jenks to finish the eighth either, but given the circumstances, I understand why Guillen did that.

It's surprising to me that Sox fans are expressing a lack of confidence in Jenks in this thread. He's 20-for-22 in saves. That's an excellent save percentage, which is the only number that counts for closers.

voodoochile
07-12-2009, 12:45 PM
Is it Jenks' fault that Beckham had a potential game ending ground ball go under his glove and through his legs?

I don't know if they changed that call from hit to error, but it was an error all the way.

chisoxfanatic
07-12-2009, 01:04 PM
True. Longevity as a closer being a factor also true. But if I had to get the side out in the 9th of the WS game 7 and I had him and Joakim Soria in my bullpen right here, right now, I go to Joakim Soria. Just as an example, mind you.

Repeat, he's a very good closer.
Until Soria can prove he can pitch in high-pressure games (he never has pitched in one in his career pitching for the Royals), I'd go with Jenks.

jdm2662
07-12-2009, 01:13 PM
Is it Jenks' fault that Beckham had a potential game ending ground ball go under his glove and through his legs?

I don't know if they changed that call from hit to error, but it was an error all the way.

It was ruled an error. jenks was only charged with one ER. That is as of late last night when I checked box score.

voodoochile
07-12-2009, 01:35 PM
It was ruled an error. jenks was only charged with one ER. That is as of late last night when I checked box score.

Good. I thought Hawk and Stone both said it was initially ruled a hit, and thought it was a bad call.

TDog
07-12-2009, 02:10 PM
Good. I thought Hawk and Stone both said it was initially ruled a hit, and thought it was a bad call.

Gameday originally had it as a hit, so maybe there was some reason for the confusion. Gameday especially was confusing because it showed the bases loaded without reporting the hit batsman, apparently while it was changing the reported hit to make it an error. When things get complicated, Gameday falls way behind. And, of course the discourse in the game thread doesn't help people who can't see the game. You just see asterisks and calls to get Jenks out of the game.

But to answer your original question. Yes, judging from the gamethread, it was Jenks' fault that Beckham failed to field a ground ball that potentially could have ended the game. I base my conclusion on what people where writing in the game thread.

It's Dankerific
07-12-2009, 02:12 PM
The Crede double/error was a hard hit ball. It would have been a good play to pick it, even if most 3b would have made the play.

But I think the pitcher is responsible for hard hit balls...

Either way, who cares. we got a W.

Brian26
07-12-2009, 02:20 PM
And, of course the discourse in the game thread doesn't help people who can't see the game. You just see asterisks and calls to get Jenks out of the game.

The game thread is not intended to provide play-by-play coverage of the broadcast. There are other tools available that provide that. The game thread is a compliment to the broadcast that allows us to discuss the game in real time.

That being said, there are a couple of posters that have done a brilliant job of adding pitch-by-pitch summaries of every at-bat during the game threads this year.