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JermaineDye05
06-26-2009, 12:08 PM
So I've liked what I've seen from the small sample pieces we have from Aaron. However what I've noticed is his fastball isn't as fast as I've heard. When we've seen him he's usually been between 91-95 mph. I may have misread this, but I was under the impression the Aaron can crank it up to 97+. Now I don't know if this small drop in velocity has to do with coming out of the bullpen, maybe he gets faster as the game goes on like Verlander? Or perhaps it's just a matter of control and spotting the fastball? Or I could have just heard wrong and this is Aaron's normal velocity. If some people who have been following him in the minors could help me out here, it'd be greatly appreciated. I followed Aaron's starts with Birmingham on gameday but they don't show pitches or velocity on there unfortunately.

I want to make sure I point out that I'm not disappointed or concerned at all. I'm just curious that's all.

DirtySox
06-26-2009, 12:21 PM
You are correct that he sits between 91 and 95. He can crank it up higher to the high 90's but how often he does remains to be seen. I would expect more consistent higher velocity once he settles into the Bigs and is more comfortable with his location. Also be aware that the radar guns on TV aren't always accurate. I recommend checking PitchFX data.

Lastly as you probably know, velocity is fun and all but the movement and the plane he throws it from is what makes his fastball such a dominant pitch.

Some good reading/observations:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/15/910125/new-arm-of-the-week-aaron-poreda

6-25 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=25&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_25_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_25_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&prevDate=625)

6-23 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=23&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_23_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_23_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&prevDate=623)

6-19 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=19&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_19_chamlb_cinmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_19_chamlb_cinmlb_1%2F&prevDate=619)

6-12 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=12&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_12_chamlb_milmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_12_chamlb_milmlb_1%2F&prevDate=612)

nug0hs
06-26-2009, 12:37 PM
You are correct that he sits between 91 and 95. He can crank it up higher to the high 90's but how often he does remains to be seen. I would expect more consistent higher velocity once he settles into the Bigs and is more comfortable with his location. Also be aware that the radar guns on TV aren't always accurate. I recommend checking PitchFX data.

Lastly as you probably know, velocity is fun and all but the movement and the plane he throws it from makes his fastball such a dominant pitch.

Some good reading/observations:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/15/910125/new-arm-of-the-week-aaron-poreda

6-25 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=25&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_25_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_25_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&prevDate=625)

6-23 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=23&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_23_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_23_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&prevDate=623)

6-19 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=19&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_19_chamlb_cinmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_19_chamlb_cinmlb_1%2F&prevDate=619)

6-12 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=12&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_12_chamlb_milmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_12_chamlb_milmlb_1%2F&prevDate=612)

Wow! Those pages with the PitchFX are a direct steal of what MLB.com uses. The URLs are even the same!

WisSoxFan
06-26-2009, 01:13 PM
Another oberservation: I thought I noticed yesterday that he pitched from the stretch in his inning of work. I don't recall there being a baserunner, but I could be mistaken about that. I realize many relievers pitch entirely from the stretch, but I found it a bit odd that Poreda did. Has he done this in his first couple of outings?

Huisj
06-26-2009, 01:20 PM
You are correct that he sits between 91 and 95. He can crank it up higher to the high 90's but how often he does remains to be seen. I would expect more consistent higher velocity once he settles into the Bigs and is more comfortable with his location. Also be aware that the radar guns on TV aren't always accurate. I recommend checking PitchFX data.

Lastly as you probably know, velocity is fun and all but the movement and the plane he throws it from is what makes his fastball such a dominant pitch.

Some good reading/observations:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/15/910125/new-arm-of-the-week-aaron-poreda

6-25 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=25&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_25_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_25_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&prevDate=625)

6-23 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=23&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_23_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_23_lanmlb_chamlb_1%2F&prevDate=623)

6-19 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=19&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_19_chamlb_cinmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_19_chamlb_cinmlb_1%2F&prevDate=619)

6-12 Outing (http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfx/index.php?month=6&day=12&year=2009&game=gid_2009_06_12_chamlb_milmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=519145.xml&prevGame=gid_2009_06_12_chamlb_milmlb_1%2F&prevDate=612)

I stumbled across this site a few days ago from a link from a Rob Neyer blog article on ESPN, and I've been addicted to it ever since. It's amazing stuff to look at. I love it.

Domeshot17
06-26-2009, 01:30 PM
I don't want to typecast him after a few games but I have always felt this is the role Poreda would thrive in, being a dominant lefty out of the pen. I think he is going to end up the heir apparent to the Big Guy one day, and could be as dominant a lefty closer as Billy Wagner

RichFitztightly
06-26-2009, 02:02 PM
I don't want to typecast him after a few games but I have always felt this is the role Poreda would thrive in, being a dominant lefty out of the pen. I think he is going to end up the heir apparent to the Big Guy one day, and could be as dominant a lefty closer as Billy Wagner

I've been thinking the same thing. He reminds me of Robb Nen. Right now, it's hard to tell how the kid will develop. He's got a little time before he hits that cross-road where a determiniation needs to be made on what direction he'll go.

kitekrazy
06-26-2009, 02:37 PM
What other pitches does he have?

Throwing 95 doesn't seem to be a plus anymore in the majors unless you are good at changing speeds and good with location.

DirtySox
06-26-2009, 02:44 PM
Fastball, cutter, slider, change. The change is a work in progress and the slider is inconsistent. As it has been reported many times before he needs to improve his secondary pitches to become a viable starter.

And like I stated above his velocity isn't the sole reason he is a highly touted prospect. The fact that he is a big tall lefty who can throw it rather hard WITH great movement is.

Domeshot17
06-26-2009, 06:26 PM
He is almost the definition of a high floor player. He throws 2 fastballs, a straight 1, and one with great movement. The Fastball with movement is his A pitch. But his changeup and his slider are both pretty much for crap. They don't do aything but keep hitters from sitting on fastball dead red.

Because of the fastballs, he will always have a role in the bullpen (ala Matt Thornton) but without both of the secondary pitches developing, he will never be much in the rotation.