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SoxGirl4Life
06-18-2009, 03:59 PM
:angry:

Frater Perdurabo
06-18-2009, 03:59 PM
Discuss.

thomas35forever
06-18-2009, 03:59 PM
That sucked major balls.

Whappeh
06-18-2009, 03:59 PM
:angry:

hi im skot
06-18-2009, 03:59 PM
That hurt.

Forget that it's the Cubs - still possibly the worst loss of the year so far.

Hartman
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
I'm getting tired of threads with titles like this.

Ozzie and Linebrink should be tarred and feathered in the middle of this landfill.

Risk
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
**** you Linebrink.:angry:

That is all.

Risk

SoxSpeed22
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
Let the bitching commence.
Getz ****ed up. Linebrink ****ed up even worse and that's that.

cleanwsox
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
Even though he didnt get the L,

LLLLLinebrink

:angry:

34 Inch Stick
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
Ozzie gets the praise yesterday and deserves the scorn today.

goon
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
I hope Detroit loses tonight.

35th and Shields
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
It's game's like these that drive me crazy.

Zakath
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
Discuss.

You mean disgust.

Rocky Soprano
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
Thank you Ozzie.
Thank you errors.
Thank you Linebrink.

SoxSpeed22
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
That hurt.

Forget that it's the Cubs - still possibly the worst loss of the year so far.20-1?:scratch:

rdwj
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
Too bad - that one was well in hand. Plenty of blame to go around

Pear-Zin-Ski
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
un ****ing believable....

there is nothing to say...should've been a win no matter what angle you look at it....

GoGoCrede
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
Tough break for Floyd.

Well, now I finally have an image to replace Aramis' walkoff with.

Domeshot17
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
Kids played a good series.

Linebrink and Ozzie cost us today.

SoxGirl4Life
06-18-2009, 04:00 PM
He SHOULD get the L. Dammit.

KnightSox
06-18-2009, 04:01 PM
This loss makes me sick.

guillensdisciple
06-18-2009, 04:01 PM
This one is on Ozzie and Linebrink. It is as simple as that. Move on and beat Cincinnati. Hopefully this is not one of those momentum swings that has us play like crap for the next week or so. When the Cubs come to the cell, we will destroy them.

BleacherBandit
06-18-2009, 04:01 PM
I wonder if I'd be even be as mad if it wasn't against the ****ing Cubs.

Flight #24
06-18-2009, 04:01 PM
:gah:

DeadMoney
06-18-2009, 04:01 PM
Linebrink sucks, and that's all I really have to say... the great thing about baseball is there's always a game the next day (or there about).

WhiteSox5187
06-18-2009, 04:01 PM
Linebrink should never be in a god damned close game again. He is the most over paid worthless piece of **** we have in this bullpen. He ****ing sucks. He cost us this god damn game. The Cubs haven't scored four runs in a ****ing week and Linebrink somehow manages to cough up four runs in a god damned inning.

DSpivack
06-18-2009, 04:01 PM
**** you Linebrink.:angry:

That is all.

Risk

I came here to post exactly the same thing. There is nothing to discuss.

**** you, Linebrink, you miserable sack of ****. I hope he never comes in with the game on the line ever again.

hi im skot
06-18-2009, 04:01 PM
20-1?:scratch:

That was a laugher. This is a game that was in the back pocket.

SoxGirl4Life
06-18-2009, 04:01 PM
Can I leave work before the flub fans start chirping..

DaveFeelsRight
06-18-2009, 04:02 PM
as soon as i saw the graphic for "batting a .125 with runners in scoring position, hitless in last 17 at bats" i knew something bad was coming...and i was right.

ajismyhero
06-18-2009, 04:02 PM
The worst part is that there are Cub fans gloating in my office right now. I mean, yeah, the Sox lost pretty bad, but I don't really think the Cubs won.

EuroSox35
06-18-2009, 04:02 PM
I felt a Lee HR coming there, I hate that matchup with Linebrink and the #'s also say Dotel would've been the better guy there. The one time Ozzie goes away from his try to use Dotel in about every game and situation...You can also argue with going to Bobby once that HR happens and the game is 5-4...

thomas35forever
06-18-2009, 04:02 PM
I hope Detroit loses tonight.
We gotta get back into second place first, and we just lost a game on Minnesota.

PatK
06-18-2009, 04:02 PM
Why is it that every time I get a chance to watch the game and Linebrink comes in with an easily protectable lead, he blows it?

He should have been gone after Lee's dinger.

soxjim
06-18-2009, 04:02 PM
Losing games like this hurts, no matter who they are playing.

nug0hs
06-18-2009, 04:03 PM
Sorry guys, but this one is on Getz more than it is on Linebrink. There should have never been 1 on with no outs in the first place. If Getz doesnt make that error (his 2nd of the game) then we are looking at a completely different inning.

hi im skot
06-18-2009, 04:03 PM
The worst part is that there are Cub fans gloating in my office right now. I mean, yeah, the Sox lost pretty bad, but I don't really think the Cubs won.

Well, the Cubs got the win, so...

WhiteSox5187
06-18-2009, 04:03 PM
Ozzie gets the praise yesterday and deserves the scorn today.

It's not his fault that Linebrink can't get a ****ing guy out. This is on Linebrink the guy is getting paid a **** ton of money and can't buy a ****ing out.

Zakath
06-18-2009, 04:03 PM
Sad thing is that he doesn't even get a blown save for that performance, but Thornton get stuck with the L.

Hope he gets a reacharound for that gift.

The Milkman
06-18-2009, 04:03 PM
Linebrink is ****. I **** higher quality relievers on a daily basis.

hula
06-18-2009, 04:03 PM
Has anyone else noticed that when Ozzie is gone and Joey takes over for him when he sees pitchers going downhill he gets OUT of there before **** like this happens??!!

Okay so I saw 2 bad calls by the homeplate ump that should have been strikes, but still I blame Ozzie for this one...... He always waits toooooooo long to change pitchers and then we're in a hole we can't get out of!
:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

BadBobbyJenks
06-18-2009, 04:04 PM
You just cant lose a game like that, it is inexcusable. Thornton and Dotel hadn't pitched in two days, why would you go to Linebrink for the 2nd day in a row?

This one is on Ozzie and Linebrink.

Great outing by Floyd on a day where he couldn't get his curve ball over.

Bad teams find ways to lose.

veeter
06-18-2009, 04:04 PM
The cubs are a very, very bad team. You know you have no life on your pitches when you get torched by Soto. This better mean Linebrink never sees the field anymore. Wasted a great game by the young guys.

hi im skot
06-18-2009, 04:04 PM
Sorry guys, but this one is on Getz more than it is on Linebrink. There should have never been 1 on with no outs in the first place. If Getz doesnt make that error (his 2nd of the game) then we are looking at a completely different inning.

Getz didn't give up back-to-back homers.

Pear-Zin-Ski
06-18-2009, 04:04 PM
He cost me TWO games I was at last year....

Linebrink should never be in a god damned close game again. He is the most over paid worthless piece of **** we have in this bullpen. He ****ing sucks. He cost us this god damn game. The Cubs haven't scored four runs in a ****ing week and Linebrink somehow manages to cough up four runs in a god damned inning.

thedudeabides
06-18-2009, 04:04 PM
It's not his fault that Linebrink can't get a ****ing guy out. This is on Linebrink the guy is getting paid a **** ton of money and can't buy a ****ing out.

Don't forget about Getz and Thornton.

central44
06-18-2009, 04:04 PM
You know what I hate? Losses where the Sox outplay the other team, significantly...and one bad mistake, or one pitcher who has nothing ends up handing the game away. These are the hardest to swallow.

Its a tough loss--a really tough loss, compounded by the fact that it just HAD to be against the Cubs. But the Sox still split the series at Wrigley, and looked better for 16 of the 18 innings they played. It could have been worse. Cub fans will talk smack, but its hard to not feel like we handed this game away on a silver platter. If Linebrink doesn't pitch, its hard to imagine the Cubs scoring again at all.

Zakath
06-18-2009, 04:04 PM
Sorry guys, but this one is on Getz more than it is on Linebrink. There should have never been 1 on with no outs in the first place. If Getz doesnt make that error (his 2nd of the game) then we are looking at a completely different inning.

First error shouldn't have been on Getz anyway, as the ball was there and Alexei didn't make the grab.

Getz didn't give up the two gopherballs.

ShoelessJoeS
06-18-2009, 04:04 PM
Linebrink ****s his pants, and Ozzie leaves him in.

Wow. I'm speechless.

skobabe8
06-18-2009, 04:04 PM
Let the bitching commence.
Getz ****ed up. Linebrink ****ed up even worse and that's that.

Getz drove one in, scored one, and saved at least one.

35th and Shields
06-18-2009, 04:05 PM
20-1?:scratch:

That game was over right when it began. You should be able to win every game that you are up 4 runs in the eighth inning.

Rikirk
06-18-2009, 04:05 PM
There always seems to be one drama game at wrigley...


I hope this isnt a trend.



How many times must it me said....If your enemy is drowning, you dont throw a life saver...you throw a 10 ton weight.


:angry:

RedHeadPaleHoser
06-18-2009, 04:05 PM
Thanks Ozzie - you managed us right into a loss.

Linebrink - you piss me off.

SoxGirl4Life
06-18-2009, 04:05 PM
The cubs are a very, very bad team. You know you have no life on your pitches when you get torched by Soto. This better mean Linebrink never sees the field anymore. Wasted a great game by the young guys.


I totally agree. The kids played their hearts out..

WhiteSox5187
06-18-2009, 04:05 PM
Sorry guys, but this one is on Getz more than it is on Linebrink. There should have never been 1 on with no outs in the first place. If Getz doesnt make that error (his 2nd of the game) then we are looking at a completely different inning.

Linebrink should be able to pick up his god damned defenders. He threw two ****ing meatballs right down the middle of the ****ing plate. This is completely on him. He pulled defeat right out of the jaws of victory.

Rohan
06-18-2009, 04:05 PM
Sorry guys, but this one is on Getz more than it is on Linebrink. There should have never been 1 on with no outs in the first place. If Getz doesnt make that error (his 2nd of the game) then we are looking at a completely different inning.

Getz was also 2 for 4 with a run and an RBI. Along with an incredible play at second.

I don't know if you watched the game or not. But the Getz error in the 8th was actually a fairly difficult play. That ball took one hell of a bounce on him.

Linebrink allowed four runs... So... No...

guillensdisciple
06-18-2009, 04:05 PM
Who cares if it was against the cubs? The fact that it was a loss is what matters. Cubs or no Cubs the result is still the same. Instead of being 2 games under we are now 4, and hopefully we will be 3 games back at the end of tonight.

The White Sox will be fine, and the only hole in our bullpen is Linebrink. It is time to relinquish him of his duties. That was not a win by the Cubs, but rather a loss by the Sox.

white sox bill
06-18-2009, 04:06 PM
I'm looking for that thread that listed the Worst players ever on the Sox...guess who I'm nominating???

Mohoney
06-18-2009, 04:06 PM
I can't even really blame Linebrink, as he should have never been in that situation to begin with. It's up to the manager to put his players in the best position to succeed, and with the way Linebrink has been struggling lately, putting him in that 8th inning was setting him up for failure.

Hopefully this loss cements Thornton into that 8th inning role from now on.

skobabe8
06-18-2009, 04:06 PM
Sorry guys, but this one is on Getz more than it is on Linebrink. There should have never been 1 on with no outs in the first place. If Getz doesnt make that error (his 2nd of the game) then we are looking at a completely different inning.

Insane post of the day nominee.

GoGoCrede
06-18-2009, 04:06 PM
I turned off the TV because of all the cheering, but has there been any postgame comments yet?

EuroSox35
06-18-2009, 04:06 PM
Sorry guys, but this one is on Getz more than it is on Linebrink. There should have never been 1 on with no outs in the first place. If Getz doesnt make that error (his 2nd of the game) then we are looking at a completely different inning.

Getz at least helped in terms of offense. Okay an error was made, you have a 4 run lead, ****ing pitch over it

hi im skot
06-18-2009, 04:07 PM
Thanks Ozzie - you managed us right into a loss.

Linebrink - you piss me off.

Winner.

WhiteSox5187
06-18-2009, 04:07 PM
Don't forget about Getz and Thornton.

As soon as Soto hit that home run the game was over as far as I was concerned. Lip used to say in 2007 that Floyd looked like a deer in the headlights, Linebrink looks like a deer that just got hit by a ****ing car. He should never ever be in a close game situation again.

UChicagoHP
06-18-2009, 04:07 PM
Soriano got lucky, it happens.

Linebrink, however, man o man...simply unacceptable.

On the plus side, Floyd and Alexei appear to be back, which bodes very well for the rest of 2009. Typical Cubs-Sox game...

BleacherBandit
06-18-2009, 04:07 PM
The one thing about the team this year is that we aren't losing because of the same reason consistently. Last year, it was pretty much just the hitting. This year, it's the hitting on some days, the pitching on others, and today it was Scott Linebrink.

I don't know whether losing dynamically is better than losing one way, but take it for what it's worth.

russ99
06-18-2009, 04:08 PM
It's not his fault that Linebrink can't get a ****ing guy out. This is on Linebrink the guy is getting paid a **** ton of money and can't buy a ****ing out.

He got Soriano and Bradley out on good pitches. He shouldn't have been facing Lee.

For all the wringing of hands about Ozzie and matchups with relievers around here, this time he fell asleep at the switch.

veeter
06-18-2009, 04:08 PM
When I look at a million dollar athlete, and I see a knock-kneed, red faced guy like Linebrink, I barf. He sucks.

arKnaD7
06-18-2009, 04:08 PM
So, Linebrink starts every pitch with a splitter/forkball grip, but I've never seen him throw one, does anyone know why?

WhiteSox5187
06-18-2009, 04:09 PM
I turned off the TV because of all the cheering, but has there been any postgame comments yet?

Unless part of the post game press conference consists of Linebrink beating himself with olive branches, I don't think it's worth it to watch the post game.

white sox bill
06-18-2009, 04:09 PM
Linebrink take the 6:15 flight to Charlotte....and stay there

thomas35forever
06-18-2009, 04:09 PM
Holy ****, the number of guests outnumber the number of posters in this thread. **** all of you "guests" who cheer for the other club.

UChicagoHP
06-18-2009, 04:09 PM
When I look at a million dollar athlete, and I see a knock-kneed, red faced guy like Linebrink, I barf. He sucks.

:D:

He didn't get any help today, but :D:

I'm sure he will help the Sox in 2009, but today sucked!

CubsfansareDRUNK
06-18-2009, 04:10 PM
Without a ****ing doubt, this one goes on the top five list of worst ****ing losses i've seen.

Blueprint1
06-18-2009, 04:10 PM
I can't remember the last time the Sox did something like that. Once we lose the lead we just give up.

Rohan
06-18-2009, 04:11 PM
I'm pretty much furious right now... And these text messages i'm getting are not helping... Neither is Lou Piniella.

Demps2
06-18-2009, 04:11 PM
Ozzie should have pulled Linebrink after Soriano's hit. The first two guys hit him hard. He even went 3-2 against the next 2 guys, which isn't good. Then the rest is history. I hope this bullpen isn't going south. Linebrink hasn't looked good lately.

popilius
06-18-2009, 04:11 PM
That hurt.

Forget that it's the Cubs - still possibly the worst loss of the year so far.

Definitely the worse loss of the year. It's a shame because guys like Getz, Beckham, and Anderson came through in the clutch.

pilotsox
06-18-2009, 04:11 PM
First, in terms of worst losses, this is far worse than the 20-1 debacle. That game was over from the get-go. This game was an easy win until Scott Linebrink showed up. So far, the worst game of the year was the near-walkoff against Detroit. But I think this game is worse, and not because of who our opponent is.

Second, the blame on this goes to Linebrink. Not Ozzie, not Getz. A four run lead should be considered secure for a bullpen of our caliber. And an error with the bases empty does not excuse giving up four runs. All that means is Linebrink won't get statistical credit for being such a goat.

Lastly, while I'm not an expert on the transactions field of this sport, and I don't know all the quirks and rules, and I know this won't happen, I would love to see Linebrink DFA'd. Or released, or traded, or whatever. I sincerely never want to see him tarnish the black and white again. He can take his lying 2.25 ERA and get right out of town.

Qdiddy
06-18-2009, 04:12 PM
I know you guys are awesome at looking up stats, but can some PLEASE find out how many games the Sox have blown against these bums since the crosstown classic started. I swear, it seems like the only way the Cubs beat us, is when our bullpen can't hold the lead or there is some fluky play.

Let me know,

"Q"

Blueprint1
06-18-2009, 04:12 PM
Linebrink has sucked lately.

GoGoCrede
06-18-2009, 04:12 PM
Holy ****, the number of guests outnumber the number of posters in this thread. **** all of you "guests" who cheer for the other club.

For real.

Although this thread was as epic as I predicted it would be.

I was going to bitch more about Floyd getting another ND, but that's the least of our worries right now.

Konerko05
06-18-2009, 04:12 PM
This is what happens when White Sox pitchers throw nothing but fastballs for 9 innings. It's eventually going to catch up to you, even against a struggling offense.

Why is Linebrink coming in the game for the 8th? How does he even get outs throwing nothing but straight fastballs with questionable command?

Was Guillen saving Thornton until after Linebrink blows the game?

Woofer
06-18-2009, 04:13 PM
As soon as Soto hit that home run the game was over as far as I was concerned. Lip used to say in 2007 that Floyd looked like a deer in the headlights, Linebrink looks like a deer that just got hit by a ****ing car. He should never ever be in a close game situation again.

They brought the guy in to protect a 4 run lead. Ozzie should have pulled him after the 3 run homer. And once again, Thorton blows the tied game.

Iron Dragon2
06-18-2009, 04:13 PM
Yep, the youngsters get all the kudos for this one. Getz was rough in the field, but was great at the plate, along with Beckham, Ramirez, and Anderson. Linebrink sucks.

ShoelessJoeS
06-18-2009, 04:13 PM
Ozzie should have pulled Linebrink after Soriano's hit. The first two guys hit him hard. He even went 3-2 against the next 2 guys, which isn't good. Then the rest is history. I hope this bullpen isn't going south. Linebrink hasn't looked good lately.I'm still trying to figure out with Ozzie didn't pull him. He CLEARLY didn't have his stuff today. Is Dotel still even on this team? Or is Linebrink the only rightie in the 'pen...

Pear-Zin-Ski
06-18-2009, 04:14 PM
I guess the only silver lining is that the young ones played pretty damn good...I'm not so sure Gavin pitched that great of a game but the D was there (somewhat) to back him up and at least try and get a win...whatever....

Jimmy Piersall
06-18-2009, 04:14 PM
Holy ****, the number of guests outnumber the number of posters in this thread. **** all of you "guests" who cheer for the other club.

They can't help themselves T35,as much as they say they don't care
about us,you just KNOW they do.They're cub fans after all.I think they
should have a rally for this.Santo as the MC.

AnkleSox
06-18-2009, 04:14 PM
Sorry guys, but this one is on Getz more than it is on Linebrink. There should have never been 1 on with no outs in the first place. If Getz doesnt make that error (his 2nd of the game) then we are looking at a completely different inning.

Danks pitched around several errors yesterday. Floyd did it today. If Linebrink is going to **** his pants everytime an error is made, he can take his sally ass elsewhere.

ONE error was made, Linebrink gave up FOUR runs in a game where the cubs couldnt get a hit with RISP to save their lives.

**** Scott Linebrink.

ShoelessJoeS
06-18-2009, 04:14 PM
First, in terms of worst losses, this is far worse than the 20-1 debacle. That game was over from the get-go. This game was an easy win until Scott Linebrink showed up. So far, the worst game of the year was the near-walkoff against Detroit. But I think this game is worse, and not because of who our opponent is.

Second, the blame on this goes to Linebrink. Not Ozzie, not Getz. A four run lead should be considered secure for a bullpen of our caliber. And an error with the bases empty does not excuse giving up four runs. All that means is Linebrink won't get statistical credit for being such a goat.

Lastly, while I'm not an expert on the transactions field of this sport, and I don't know all the quirks and rules, and I know this won't happen, I would love to see Linebrink DFA'd. Or released, or traded, or whatever. I sincerely never want to see him tarnish the black and white again. He can take his lying 2.25 ERA and get right out of town.It's easily the most deceptive 2.25 ERA you'll ever see.

shingo10
06-18-2009, 04:15 PM
On the brightside, a week ago our season was considered over. Now we sit only 3.5 back. Our games still matter so that's good.

But. Inexcusable loss. We have the whole bullpen to use to get 3 outs to get to Jenks. Why let one guy suck it up? Unreal.

JB98
06-18-2009, 04:15 PM
Ozzie left Linebrink in one batter too long.

I'd stay away from pitching Linebrink on back-to-back days as well. Those pitches to Lee and Soto were like setting it on a tee.

Too bad. This White Sox team just isn't capable of sustaining a winning streak this year. They get three in a row, and then something bad happens.

WhiteSoxFTW
06-18-2009, 04:15 PM
Sorry guys, but this one is on Getz more than it is on Linebrink. There should have never been 1 on with no outs in the first place. If Getz doesnt make that error (his 2nd of the game) then we are looking at a completely different inning.

Getz made a mistake but giving up 2 homers is not his fault. It was way more Linebrink's fault.

guillensdisciple
06-18-2009, 04:15 PM
Look at it like this- every Cubs fans has their chin up right now thinking of how great they are, and they are looking to this board as a way to feed their ego.

I say screw that, and I will go on the positive side of things. Our starting pitching is great. It was a problem for a while, and it seems like things are turning around.
Our hitting is coming around as well- especially from the younger guys. If Getz and Beckham begin hitting like they can, this team will be really dangerous this year.

Our bullpen has one inconsistency in it, and that is Linebrink. Even he has the potential to contribute to this team, and maybe he will. I want to see more of Poreda, but that will come with time.

The White Sox will sweep the Reds.

WhiteSox5187
06-18-2009, 04:15 PM
They brought the guy in to protect a 4 run lead. Ozzie should have pulled him after the 3 run homer. And once again, Thorton blows the tied game.

If you can't protect a god damned four run lead what the **** are you doing on a major league roster? When was the last time Linebrink looked GOOD? Yesterday he almost gave up a two run shot too. Here's a better question, when was the last time anyone felt comfortable with Linebrink entering the game?

mmmmmbeeer
06-18-2009, 04:16 PM
I'm worried about this weekend too, not only because of today's loss but that JD came up limp after beating out that DP ball in the 9th. We could potentially be without CQ, Dye, and Thome for this series.

I don't know about you guys, but when Linebrink was called in from the pen I became probably the most uneasy about a 4 run lead in the eighth that I can remember. If Ozzie manages by his gut, how come he didn't have that same feeling?

WhiteSoxFTW
06-18-2009, 04:16 PM
Ozzie left Linebrink in one batter too long.

I'd stay away from pitching Linebrink on back-to-back days as well. Those pitches to Lee and Soto were like setting it on a tee.

Too bad. This White Sox team just isn't capable of sustaining a winning streak this year. They get three in a row, and then something bad happens.

I was thinking the same thing when he brought him in. How many fresh arms did they have in the bullpen? I would really like to hear why he brought him in.

thomas35forever
06-18-2009, 04:16 PM
I hate to tell all the people wanting Linebrink out of town for this, but he is currently in the second year of a 4-year, $19 million contract. Don't count on anything happening to him, at least with his spot on the Major League roster. However, I will agree that this may be the worst contract for a reliever in White Sox history.

Blueprint1
06-18-2009, 04:16 PM
I am more upset that we can't string together a few wins. We need to go on a real winning streak.

TFLEM33
06-18-2009, 04:17 PM
I make a motion that Linebrink never pitch against the Cubs again... Or in close games... Or when anything of significance is at stake... We now have the most expensive middle reliever in baseball... I just cannot wait to see what kind of crap this guy puts on display over the next 2 years... How does a guy like this get a 4-year deal? Seriously?!?!? :angry:

pilotsox
06-18-2009, 04:17 PM
They brought the guy in to protect a 4 run lead. Ozzie should have pulled him after the 3 run homer. And once again, Thorton blows the tied game.

Huh? Why is Thornton getting blamed? This is his second loss all year. And if there was any justice in the world, it'd be pinned on Linebrink. That loser already has four losses.

I don't know what is worse, the fact that we lost or the fact that people are blaming anyone other than Scott Linebrink. Linebrink deserves more hatred from us than Anderson, Fields, Wise, Colon and Nix combined.

35th and Shields
06-18-2009, 04:18 PM
Honestly I have no problem with Ozzie putting out Linebrink there when we have the 4 run lead, but why leave him out once the error happens and they have runners on first and second?

As many of you have said, Linerbink is really the only hole in the bullpen right now. Why would no one ready to come in once he begins to struggle is beyond me.

WhiteSoxFTW
06-18-2009, 04:18 PM
If you can't protect a god damned four run lead what the **** are you doing on a major league roster? When was the last time Linebrink looked GOOD? Yesterday he almost gave up a two run shot too. Here's a better question, when was the last time anyone felt comfortable with Linebrink entering the game?

I would've felt more comfortable with Gobble or Poreda coming in to protect a four-run lead. Linebrink had no business throwing two days in a row. And, I don't care about OG's stubborn lefty-righty no matter what BS.

BigP50
06-18-2009, 04:19 PM
I don't like Linebrink, I never have a good feeling when he is in.

veeter
06-18-2009, 04:19 PM
Holy ****, the number of guests outnumber the number of posters in this thread. **** all of you "guests" who cheer for the other club.Hey cub fan guests, your team sucks and you're going nowhere. You're starting ten more years of misery with all the contracts your **** GM shelled out. Enjoy today's meaningless win.

RCWHITESOX
06-18-2009, 04:19 PM
I guess the only silver lining is that the young ones played pretty damn good...I'm not so sure Gavin pitched that great of a game but the D was there (somewhat) to back him up and at least try and get a win...whatever....

I think the most important thing will be how the Sox bounce back from this type of loss. Still waiting to see if Kenny gets some extra help; especially in the OF with the injury problems.

MarkZ35
06-18-2009, 04:19 PM
Getz should not be blamed. Errors happen. It's a part of the game but Linebrink should pitch over it. That is inexcusable especially against the Cubs offense which has been terrible lately. The pitches to Lee and Soto were down the middle. Any major league hitter with decent power is going to hit those a mile.

Over By There
06-18-2009, 04:19 PM
I'm glad we're done with he Cubs for a few days so the angst at WSI can go back to "normal" levels. Let's take the weekend series in the Queen City.

WhiteSoxRich
06-18-2009, 04:20 PM
Linestink is why God made beer!

SoxGirl4Life
06-18-2009, 04:20 PM
lmao at the guests.. :gulp:Check mate. See you on the south side.

Woofer
06-18-2009, 04:20 PM
Huh? Why is Thornton getting blamed? This is his second loss all year. And if there was any justice in the world, it'd be pinned on Linebrink. That loser already has four losses.

I don't know what is worse, the fact that we lost or the fact that people are blaming anyone other than Scott Linebrink. Linebrink deserves more hatred from us than Anderson, Fields, Wise, Colon and Nix combined.

He got the loss. He earned the loss. His job was to get the Sox to the 10th. He failed. This isn't the first time we've seen this, although Matt's been great this year.

GoGoCrede
06-18-2009, 04:20 PM
It's a shame Linebrink wasn't able to fully recover after last year's DL stint. It's clear that he has never been the same. Before that, he was one of the best guys in the bullpen.

pilotsox
06-18-2009, 04:20 PM
It's easily the most deceptive 2.25 ERA you'll ever see.

That's my point. It's disgusting how bad this stat lies.

Mohoney
06-18-2009, 04:21 PM
The White Sox will sweep the Reds.

I doubt that. Look at the pitching that the Reds are throwing out there against us. The odds are pretty good that at least one of those guys will shut us down.

JB98
06-18-2009, 04:21 PM
I am more upset that we can't string together a few wins. We need to go on a real winning streak.

Agreed. Who cares about losing to the Cubs? The Cubs are horse****. We don't need to be worrying about them.

The problem is the Sox aren't doing what it takes to put a winning streak together.

Frankfan4life
06-18-2009, 04:21 PM
Have we ever had 159 guests before? :o:

35th and Shields
06-18-2009, 04:23 PM
I came here to post exactly the same thing. There is nothing to discuss.

**** you, Linebrink, you miserable sack of ****. I hope he never comes in with the game on the line ever again.

That's what I said after that Detroit game in regards to his contract....unfortunately I may have been right.

Blueprint1
06-18-2009, 04:23 PM
142 guests looking at this and only 82 memebers.

thomas35forever
06-18-2009, 04:24 PM
He got the loss. He earned the loss. His job was to get the Sox to the 10th. He failed. This isn't the first time we've seen this, although Matt's been great this year.
He shouldn't have been put in that spot though. I know he technically "earned" the loss, but any decent reliever should be able to hold a four-run lead regardless if the runs are earned or not. Linebrink proved once and for all he is no such reliever today.

35th and Shields
06-18-2009, 04:25 PM
He got the loss. He earned the loss. His job was to get the Sox to the 10th. He failed. This isn't the first time we've seen this, although Matt's been great this year.

He earned the loss, give me a break. The cubs had all the momentum in the world after the **** job Linebrink showed us.

guillensdisciple
06-18-2009, 04:25 PM
142 guests looking at this and only 82 memebers.

After 100 years of misery, Cubs fans take solace in reading when someone else is a down like they were the day before.


Also, the previous hundred years.

FielderJones
06-18-2009, 04:25 PM
Maybe Jose can talk Linebrink into going down to Charlotte to work on some things.

Bad defense: check
Bad pitching: check

You don't win championships that way.

esbrechtel
06-18-2009, 04:26 PM
who did the cubs pinch hit in the pitchers spot?

Woofer
06-18-2009, 04:26 PM
I think going into this series, (after the rainout) we would have been happy to win 1 out of 2. This one hurts. We are 5-3 in interleague play, and should honestly be 8-0. The bullpen has cost us all 3 losses IIRC.

Let's let the Cub fans act like they've won the World Series. That's all they can do is pretend to know what it's like.:cool:

Frankie5Angels
06-18-2009, 04:26 PM
Shake it off, and get at it tomorrow in Cinncy. That's all you can do. We outplayed them these 2 games by alot. I'm happy with that, optimistic. These games at Wrigley always seem to have 1 where we blow it late. It happened last year, and we shook it off, we will again this year.

JohnnyInnsbrook
06-18-2009, 04:27 PM
Well, the Sox looked good, outplayed the the cubs, but then gift wrapped it for them in the 8th. I just hope they continue playing like they have been playing on the road when they come home.

WhiteSoxFTW
06-18-2009, 04:27 PM
He earned the loss, give me a break. The cubs had all the momentum in the world after the **** job Linebrink showed us.

I don't know what he said to Thornton before that at-bat, but Thornton through 5 straight inside fastballs. The last one just happened to be on the edge of the plate. Soriano is nothing but a fastball hitter and he made Thornton pay. That's that.

pilotsox
06-18-2009, 04:27 PM
He got the loss. He earned the loss. His job was to get the Sox to the 10th. He failed. This isn't the first time we've seen this, although Matt's been great this year.

Thornton shouldn't have been in the position that Linebrink put him in. Statistically, Thornton gets the loss, but this is one that should be pinned on Linebrink. Thornton gave up one run on a well-placed pop-up while Linebrink gave up four runs on two bombs in what was supposedly a pretty secure game. Thornton might not have been great, but what Linebrink did was atrocious. He's the only one I can blame for this.

1989
06-18-2009, 04:27 PM
Couple of things

1. **** you Linebrink. What the hell were you doing out there today? Trying to light up the radar gun with your straight as an arrow fastball? Real smart. Missing your spots by a foot (Derrek Lee) and in the case of Geovany Soto two and a half feet? Real smart. Why not go to your curveball or make them hit your changeup that you got milton bradley out on a 3-2 count? You sucked out there today and flat out blew the game. Thanks

2. **** you Ozzie. What the hell were you doing? You managed a hell of game yesterday by running slash hits, squeezes, and hit and runs. Today you put in Linebrink, who has 4 losses and has been shaky all year long, to see if he can work in. First you had Thornton warming up during the 7th and then didn't bring him out for the 8th when a LEFT-HANDED hitter was leading off the inning. But that isn't what bothered me, Linebrink is in there long enough to give up the 3-run HR. Fine, he ****ed up, get him the hell out. He leaves him in. What the hell kind of thinking is that? Why even give the cubs another chance?

Bottom Line: You bring in Thornton in the 8th, its game over. (Rafael Palmerio) PERIOD.

3. **** that home plate ump. Not calling that 2-2 pitch to Soriano in the 8th was absolutely terrible. Was it outside? Nope it caught the plate by a good amount. Was it low? Absolutely not. This was preceded by 2 calls where he gave cub pitchers strikes about 8 inches inside on curveballs. Absolutely hore****. Way to give them extra outs and a reduced strikezone so they could sustain a rally. Thanks for nothing you ****ing 11 yr old little league ump.

4. **** you Getz. Yes you had some big hits today, but make routine plays at second please. If that play to begin the 8th is made, there isn't even a comeback and Linestink most likely gives up 0-2 runs.

/rant

cws05champ
06-18-2009, 04:27 PM
I just want to know...was Floyd hurt or too gassed to continue? 90 pitches? The way the Cubs looked against him he could have thrown CG in 105 pitches. Un ****ing believable

thomas35forever
06-18-2009, 04:27 PM
I think going into this series, (after the rainout) we would have been happy to win 1 out of 2. This one hurts. We are 5-3 in interleague play, and should honestly be 8-0. The bullpen has cost us all 3 losses IIRC.

Let's let the Cub fans act like they've won the World Series. That's all they can do is pretend to know what it's like.:cool:
The Cubs have won the World Series 31 times already this year, don't you know? Their fans wouldn't celebrate like it happened otherwise.

WhiteSoxFTW
06-18-2009, 04:28 PM
who did the cubs pinch hit in the pitchers spot?

Miles batted in the 9th spot when Lou made the defensive switch with him in for Hoffpauir.

JB98
06-18-2009, 04:28 PM
I don't know what he said to Thornton before that at-bat, but Thornton through 5 straight inside fastballs. The last one just happened to be on the edge of the plate. Soriano is nothing but a fastball hitter and he made Thornton pay. That's that.

Yeah, I was thinking maybe you bounce a slider. Especially with a base open and no runner on third. Soriano has been known to fish at bad breaking balls in RBI situations.

Thatguyoverthere
06-18-2009, 04:28 PM
If the Sox were down the whole game and lost, it would have been much easier to take. I'd take a 20-1 loss well before I'd take a loss like this. Instant day ruiner.

TDog
06-18-2009, 04:30 PM
20-1?:scratch:

The 20-1 loss wasn't so bad. The game was over only minutes after Betemit screwed up a Twins bunt attempt. It would be more than an hour after that before the White Sox even scored. I posted at the time that such losses don't hurt so much because you never had a chance to win.

Blowout shutouts don't hurt. If the pitching is going to give up a bunch of runs scoring a few cosmetic runs isn't going to make a difference. You want to avoid a record-setting loss because you don't want people to remind you, as they do Cubs fans, when things are getting out of hand in a game, that there was a Tuesday afternoon 30 years ago when the Pirates beat the Cubs 22-0. Otherwise, if you lose, 10-0 hurts a lot less than 6-5.

Does it hurt any less because the Sox scored five runs with two outs, that they had four hits with runners in scoring position?

There is no way the White Sox should lose a game after leading by two runs in the eighth inning. There especially is no way the White Sox should lose taking a four-run lead into the bottom of the ninth.

Still, every time you go to the bullpen, you're not sure what you're going to get. The best bullpens are the ones more lightly used.

Tom Seaver wouldn't have lost today because Tom Seaver would have pitched a complete game -- although it is true that Tim Lincecum yesterday took his own two-run lead into the eighth against the Angels and lost the game. And I believe Lincecum is a pretty good pitcher. You never know.

I'm not suggesting Guillen is an idiot for taking Floyd out for a pinch-hitter when he had the lead. He is on the bench and knows what is going on with his players. I don't. It is possible Floyd needed to come out. I'm not suggesting Guillen's an idiot for putting in Linebrink for the second day in a row. Thornton got the loss, and he was facing the bottom of the order in the ninth. He might have done just as badly. Heaven knows there are days when he has.

But I do believe the White Sox would have more success if their starters could pitch some complete games once in a while.

WhiteSoxFTW
06-18-2009, 04:31 PM
Yeah, I was thinking maybe you bounce a slider. Especially with a base open and no runner on third. Soriano has been known to fish at bad breaking balls in RBI situations.

Well, I think that that pitch was never supposed to touch the edge of the plate.

Frankfan4life
06-18-2009, 04:33 PM
142 guests looking at this and only 82 memebers.It was 101 and 159 a while back. If this keeps up it'll be 1 and 1000. :redneck

pilotsox
06-18-2009, 04:34 PM
To all our esteemed guests:

1908. Chew on that.

ajismyhero
06-18-2009, 04:35 PM
On a positive note, which is really tough for me right now, the fact that Danks, Floyd and Contreras all through good games this week is pretty fantastic! Let's hope we can ride their arms through the middle of this season and gain some games.

Besides, we get to take the Cubs at our house next week. And our hitting has been super solid at home.

1989
06-18-2009, 04:35 PM
Getz should not be blamed. Errors happen. It's a part of the game but Linebrink should pitch over it. That is inexcusable especially against the Cubs offense which has been terrible lately. The pitches to Lee and Soto were down the middle. Any major league hitter with decent power is going to hit those a mile.

Its frustrating when you say this because when Gregg leaves a pitch right down the middle of the plate to both Dye and Konerko and they can hit it out of the ballpark, it just frustrates me that much more.

soxinem1
06-18-2009, 04:35 PM
Well, I think that that pitch was never supposed to touch the edge of the plate.

Instead it touched the end of the game.

35th and Shields
06-18-2009, 04:37 PM
I don't know what he said to Thornton before that at-bat, but Thornton through 5 straight inside fastballs. The last one just happened to be on the edge of the plate. Soriano is nothing but a fastball hitter and he made Thornton pay. That's that.

Yep it was a bad matchup but that's what Thornton does, he throws fastballs 90% of the time and it usually works about 95% of the time....this wasn't one of them but really in no way his fault.

thomas35forever
06-18-2009, 04:37 PM
To all our esteemed guests:

1908. Chew on that.
Who's won back-to-back World Series though? Wooooooo!!! Cubbies!!!!

Pear-Zin-Ski
06-18-2009, 04:38 PM
I just want to know...was Floyd hurt or too gassed to continue? 90 pitches? The way the Cubs looked against him he could have thrown CG in 105 pitches. Un ****ing believable

He was helped out majorly by the double plays today...looked a lil dull today...just me though....

VeeckAsInWreck
06-18-2009, 04:38 PM
Who's won back-to-back World Series though? Wooooooo!!! Cubbies!!!!

And to that effect, how many people are alive that actually witnessed it?

ajismyhero
06-18-2009, 04:39 PM
To all our esteemed guests:

1908. Chew on that.

The Cubbie fans could be on their own board analyzing the game. But that would consist of "woo" "we won" "pass me another bud."

jabrch
06-18-2009, 04:39 PM
Tough loss...this one stings.

35th and Shields
06-18-2009, 04:39 PM
Its frustrating when you say this because when Gregg leaves a pitch right down the middle of the plate to both Dye and Konerko and they can hit it out of the ballpark, it just frustrates me that much more.

Same here. Both guys throw right down the middle 93-95 mph with NO MOVEMENT. I thought Dye was going to park it in the ninth but he clearly isn't 100%.

chisoxfanatic
06-18-2009, 04:40 PM
Tough break for Floyd.

Well, now I finally have an image to replace Aramis' walkoff with.
Yea, I really feel bad for Floyd. He deserved a win last Thursday and deserved a win today.

Lorenzo Barcelo
06-18-2009, 04:41 PM
To all our esteemed guests:

1908. Chew on that.


Is it possible that its people at work not logging on? I only log on when I post something.:scratch:

thomas35forever
06-18-2009, 04:41 PM
And to that effect, how many people are alive that actually witnessed it?
My 108-year-old grandfather of course!!!!! I need another beer. I've only had a dozen or so today.

voodoochile
06-18-2009, 04:42 PM
This and that...

The Sox lost for lots of little reasons today...

Getz made one great play to prevent runs, but also had a couple of bad plays though the first error should have been charge to Ramirez who tried to barehand the flip in an attempt to turn two. After the bobble he should have made sure to get the lead runner, but in the end it didn't cost them.

The second error was costly, but not as much as Linebrink giving up two HR did. Yeah, the runs technically aren't earned, but this is a case where he could have pitched out of it especially after striking out Bradley, he simply **** the bed.

BA had a nice day at the plate nice to see him shortening his swing again like he did early in the year and it's clearly paying off with more hits, but once again, he failed to deliver in one of the simplest run scoring opportunities anyone ever gets, popping up weakly with Konerko on third and one away. Getz picked the team up here, but he really shouldn't have had to.

Ozzie, out managed himself today. Once the score got to 5-1 I'm surprised he didn't let Floyd bat - he was only at 90 pitches and had just completed a 1-2-3 inning. Then to let Thome get announced and then PH with Fields makes no sense. Waste two bats for the price of one and wouldn't it have been nice to have Thome available if the game went extra innings.

Ramirez had a nice clutch bomb and another single, but tried to get too fancy on the play mentioned before. Sometimes being a great athlete is not the best answer, just make the simple play, they don't all have to be spectacular.

In the end it comes down to Linebrinks failure with two outs in the 8th, but the Sox once again made too many silly mistakes and failed to execute both offensively and defensively at various times in the game.

Still, nice to see the team playing better ball as a rule including the losses last week to Detroit all of which could have gone either way. Just keep plugging along, don't let this loss get you down and go make up some ground in Ohio...

WhiteSox5187
06-18-2009, 04:43 PM
I would've felt more comfortable with Gobble or Poreda coming in to protect a four-run lead. Linebrink had no business throwing two days in a row. And, I don't care about OG's stubborn lefty-righty no matter what BS.

At this point I would rather see Ryan ****ing Bukvich heading out there than god damn Linebrink. What's Wassermann doing? Can we call him up to take Linebrink's place?

Lip Man 1
06-18-2009, 04:44 PM
A awful collapse after taking a 5-1 lead into the bottom of the 8th inning.

This is the 4th game this season where the bullpen blew a lead and lost the game in the 7th inning or later. (Conversely the Sox have won only two games this year trailing in the 7th inning or later - both against Kansas City.)

I don't often disagree with Steve Stone who I think is one of the best color analyst in the game but yesterday I heard him say "the bullpen has been doing the job all year..."

Really?

Granted the ERA's of the big four (Bobby Jenks, Matt Thornton, Scott Linebrink and Octavio Dotel) are pretty good but in addition to the four blown games, those four guys have now combined for TEN LOSSES and that's not even getting into the issues with middle relief for most of the year.

This is a good bullpen, but "doing the job all year?" um.....no.

And today's game is a perfect example of why the Sox have at best, a mediocre team this season. They simply can't stand prosperity. Have a chance to sweep the Pirates? Blow the final game in the 9th inning. Have a 12 game homestand including seven games with last place teams? Go 4-8 in that stretch. Have a shot to sweep the Cubs? Blow a 5-1 lead in the 8th inning.

Lip

central44
06-18-2009, 04:45 PM
Ok, its kind of sunk in now. I'll just say...again, as has been stated...this was an ugly loss. The Sox didnt deserve to lose this game, because they played a good game, easily outplayed the Cubs. Linebrink was bad. The other players cant do much when a pitcher hangs pitches.

I don't really care that we lost to the Cubs because I think anyone with any objectivity would come to the same conclusion that I would (even though i'm obviously biased as hell)--the Sox were better in almost every way today and should have cruised to a win, minus one pitcher who didnt have anything today. If Cub fans want to brag about splitting a series at home when 4 of their runs were gift wrapped for them, fine, we can't do anything about that and we know better.

But there's no hiding the fact that losing the way we lost today sucks--regardless of who we lose to. And it especially sucks when you lose a game to a bad team that you're supposed to beat. Those are the losses that are magnified in close pennant races.

rookie
06-18-2009, 04:45 PM
Well, glad that I didn't have to watch that. But from what I saw on the highlights, it looks like are young guys are picking up their offense. Our starting pitching is no longer scary. You shouldn't lose by 4 in the eighth, but maybe we're putting it together. So in hopes that we are, I'm going to brush this off. Things were much worse a week ago. Hopefully when we go back to playing the real league, we keep it up.

kittle42
06-18-2009, 04:47 PM
Extraordinarily frustrating. Linebrink was in too long. Ozzie followed up a great-managed game with a terrible-managed game.

And, strangely, this series stays at .500, as it always does.

MarySwiss
06-18-2009, 04:54 PM
Is it possible that its people at work not logging on? I only log on when I post something.:scratch:
That's what I was thinking; I was a guest until I read this and now I'm going back to being one.

35th and Shields
06-18-2009, 04:55 PM
And the texts just keep pouring in........God I hate this inter-league ****.

I also love how I don't say one word, to my Cub fan friends, about last game and they act like they don't care but now, of course, it's as big as the world series.

kevingrt
06-18-2009, 04:55 PM
Extraordinarily frustrating. Linebrink was in too long. Ozzie followed up a great-managed game with a terrible-managed game.

And, strangely, this series stays at .500, as it always does.

Agree. Not much else to be said. Linebrink is going through a rough patch in the season and Ozzie should have noticed it before the game. I mean even in his Milwaukee outing he wasn't pitching that great. Ozzie held him in too long.

And yes these games are really tough to swallow but at the end of the day (this is pessimistic kevingrt coming out) the Sox will lose the division/wildcard by more then one game.

spongyfungy
06-18-2009, 04:55 PM
Tough loss...this one stings.

Yep, it is but that's all it is. It's not the worst loss of the year. There have been plenty of terribly played games this year that was worst than this IMO.

other thoughts : Floyd was good enough and it was a bit muggy out there and he may have been laboring but I don't know but it's another QS for him. defensively up the middle was so up and down. There were some great plays and bad errors but you can live with them if we make the pitches. Linebrink was horrible.

spongyfungy
06-18-2009, 04:56 PM
And the texts just keep pouring in........God I hate this inter-league ****.

I also love how I don't say one word, to my Cub fan friends, about last game and they act like they don't care but now, of course, it's as big as the world series.

I'd say turn your phone off but for me I have to take it like a man since I was dishing it out all day yesterday

1989
06-18-2009, 04:56 PM
The sad thing is, we always do this against the friggin cubs. No team gives away more games to them than us.

Up 4-2 in 2006 at the cell with a chance to sweep in the 8th, blow the game, lose 6-4.

Friday game at Wrigley in 2007. Up 3-1 in the 8th, blow that one.

Saturday game at Wrigley in 2007. Up 6-5 in the 8th, blow that one as well.

Friday game at Wrigley in 2008, doesn't even need to be said.

And now this one. Our bullpen seems to fold like a tent in the Urinal. Sweet. And to think this game could have been part of a major winning streak...

35th and Shields
06-18-2009, 04:59 PM
I'd say turn your phone off but for me I have to take it like a man since I was dishing it out all day yesterday

haha yeah I decided that it wasn't worth it this year but seeing as they come in either way.....I don't have much of a choice for the next series. :tongue:

VeeckAsInWreck
06-18-2009, 05:02 PM
Whether or not the ump was squeezing Linebrink is up to debate. But there is no debate about the location of these meatballs. Right over the plate and into their wheelhouse.

We can write this game off as a charitable deduction because that's exactly what it was.

TDog
06-18-2009, 05:12 PM
... No team gives away more games to them than us. ...

If you don't pay attention to any other major league teams, I can see how you might feel that way.

If you paid any attention to, say, the Mets, you wouldn't suggest such a thing.

In fact, the Mets had a game against the Yankees this weekend that they apparently had won. But the second baseman dropped the two-out, bottom of the ninth pop-up that allowed two YANKEES baserunners to score and win the game. This coming after two seasons when the Mets gave away postseason appearances by giving away games.

I won't even get into the comedy that is Bay Area baseball.

Sadly, there are Cubs fans who believe today's win was important for them.

White Sox baseball. It hurts, but it could be worse.

gosox3072
06-18-2009, 05:17 PM
to boot i was nice all game and got spit on when the cubs tied it..... not wrigley but screew the cubs and their fans

1989
06-18-2009, 05:28 PM
If you don't pay attention to any other major league teams, I can see how you might feel that way.

If you paid any attention to, say, the Mets, you wouldn't suggest such a thing.

In fact, the Mets had a game against the Yankees this weekend that they apparently had won. But the second baseman dropped the two-out, bottom of the ninth pop-up that allowed two YANKEES baserunners to score and win the game. This coming after two seasons when the Mets gave away postseason appearances by giving away games.

I won't even get into the comedy that is Bay Area baseball.

Sadly, there are Cubs fans who believe today's win was important for them.

White Sox baseball. It hurts, but it could be worse.

The mets give up more games to the cubs than us? Bay area teams do it a lot too?

My point was that the Sox have been giving games to the cubs more recently than any other team as of these past 3-4 years. Especially considering how few times we play these guys.

ChiSoxFan81
06-18-2009, 05:30 PM
When the game was on the LINE, I was brought to the BRINK of tearing out my hair. Not that I'm naming names or anything.

The Milkman
06-18-2009, 05:35 PM
Bada-OH!!!

http://blogs.tampabay.com/80s/images/2007/07/05/diceman.jpg

BainesHOF
06-18-2009, 05:51 PM
There's no way Linebrink should have been pitching in that situation given how he's looked in the last couple weeks when he's been throwing BP fastballs. Literally anyone else in the pen would have been a better option.

It's disheartening to see Ozzie fail to have his managerial finger on the pulse of Linebrink. The result today was so predictable.

The postgame radio show has been laughable in its ridiculous, and I'm not talking about the callers.

GoGoCrede
06-18-2009, 05:55 PM
There's no way Linebrink should have been pitching in that situation given how he's looked in the last couple weeks when he's been throwing BP fastballs. Literally anyone else in the pen would have been a better option.

It's disheartening to see Ozzie fail to have his managerial finger on the pulse of Linebrink. The result today was so predictable.

The postgame radio show has been laughable in its ridiculous, and I'm not talking about the callers.

Anything interesting? I didn't listen to it.

Warriorjan
06-18-2009, 06:10 PM
The little bit I heard of it, I wanted to throw things at both Rongey and Kittle. Talk about being defensive and protective.

tstrike2000
06-18-2009, 06:13 PM
That sucked ass, but throwing fastballs down the middle of the plate in key situations will do that. Just glad today's game is behind us.

The Immigrant
06-18-2009, 06:15 PM
Okay, fess up. Which one of you guys did this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Linebrink

tstrike2000
06-18-2009, 06:17 PM
Okay, fess up. Which one of you guys did this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Linebrink

It's probably the same person who made a gay reference about Steve Stone on his wiki page when mentioning Hawk's nickname of "Stone Pony."

chisox12
06-18-2009, 06:19 PM
That sucked ass, but throwing fastballs down the middle of the plate in key situations will do that. Just glad today's game is behind us.

Yep, fast balls down the middle aren't going to get it done. The Cubs offense has been **** lately and this is what this guy does. This is an awful loss against anybody, just a little bit worse that it was the Cubs. Let's bounce back in Cinci.

Pear-Zin-Ski
06-18-2009, 06:20 PM
And today's game is a perfect example of why the Sox have at best, a mediocre team this season. They simply can't stand prosperity. Have a chance to sweep the Pirates? Blow the final game in the 9th inning. Have a 12 game homestand including seven games with last place teams? Go 4-8 in that stretch. Have a shot to sweep the Cubs? Blow a 5-1 lead in the 8th inning.

Lip

exactly why I get irritated at the attitude of some earlier losses in the season..."well its only one game against K.C." No ****...its one game we should've WON against K.C....

It really seems like the Sox just cannot make good with the opportunites they get....

Pear-Zin-Ski
06-18-2009, 06:21 PM
It's probably the same person who made a gay reference about Steve Stone on his wiki page when mentioning Hawk's nickname of "Stone Pony."

ahhhahahaha! Wasn't me but that made me feel better!

JB98
06-18-2009, 06:36 PM
exactly why I get irritated at the attitude of some earlier losses in the season..."well its only one game against K.C." No ****...its one game we should've WON against K.C....

It really seems like the Sox just cannot make good with the opportunites they get....

This was a game where the Sox got to Zambrano and lit up Marmol. They hit the Cubs two best pitchers, yet they lost. Big-time missed opportunity.

Dan H
06-18-2009, 06:46 PM
I cannot deny this. I hate this more because it was against the Cubs. I saw one of those "W" flags when I was driving around and wanted to puke.

But there is more to it than that. The Sox could have had their first four game winning streak and they blew it. Just when you think they are turning the corner, they do something like this. The fact is that they lost three one-run games to Detroit and now this. Bad teams lose one-run games and four in such a short period is pretty bad. I think they have some good young talent, but we are going to have to suffer through times like this. This season will be a long one. Meanwhile I am looking forward to getting this Crosstown Classic crap done with.

35th and Shields
06-18-2009, 06:50 PM
I cannot deny this. I hate this more because it was against the Cubs. I saw one of those "W" flags when I was driving around and wanted to puke.

But there is more to it than that. The Sox could have had their first four game winning streak and they blew it. Just when you think they are turning the corner, they do something like this. The fact is that they lost three one-run games to Detroit and now this. Bad teams lose one-run games and four in such a short period is pretty bad. I think they have some good young talent, but we are going to have to suffer through times like this. This season will be a long one. Meanwhile I am looking forward to getting this Crosstown Classic crap done with.

I agree 100%. I love it when we beat the cubs only because I won't have to listen to their **** if we lose! Add the fact we right in the division race and let one slip between our fingers and this game totally sucked.

Lip Man 1
06-18-2009, 06:51 PM
Well Dan on the season, the Sox are now 6-11 in one run games and if memory serves, haven't won an extra inning game.

Lip

TDog
06-18-2009, 06:51 PM
The mets give up more games to the cubs than us? Bay area teams do it a lot too?

My point was that the Sox have been giving games to the cubs more recently than any other team as of these past 3-4 years. Especially considering how few times we play these guys.

These teams are giving up more games to everybody. I don't care if the White Sox give up games specifically to the Cubs. Why should I? I don't have a junior high school. The Cubs aren't even in the same league. I would care if it's the World Series, but it's not. It's a game between two teams that are mired around .500, though in a year when being around .500 might be contention worthy. I care that the White Sox give up games to the Tigers or to the Indians more than I care about giving up games to the Cubs.

And if you're obsessing over the Cubs, I hope you never relocate to Pittsburgh because the Pirates are much better at giving up games to the Cubs, than the White Sox are.

PhillipsBubba
06-18-2009, 06:53 PM
Tough loss...Linebrink sucked but I was really disappointed in the Getz error.

I really like him and he's getting better but he was shaky on a few plays (and also made a great one).

I just can't see this team making the playoffs without some help from the GM.

TDog
06-18-2009, 07:17 PM
... The fact is that they lost three one-run games to Detroit and now this. Bad teams lose one-run games and four in such a short period is pretty bad. I think they have some good young talent, but we are going to have to suffer through times like this. This season will be a long one. Meanwhile I am looking forward to getting this Crosstown Classic crap done with.

Indeed, the Crosstown Classic tends to bring out the worst in people. Fortunately, knowing no Cubs fans here in A's country, I can consider the Cubs just another National League team who the White Sox won't have to deal with in the standings. I hate losing to the A's much, much more.

One thing to consider is that one-run-game trend can be reversed if teams improve over the course of the year. And you will see teams lose a lot of one-run games late in the season even after winning a lot of them early.

There are teams like the 1967 White Sox who were contenders because they won a lot of one-run games and teams like the 1968 White Sox who were bad because they lost a lot of one-run games. (Bill James has pointed to 1968 being the evening out that sometimes takes more than a year.)

You also have teams like the 1991 White Sox. They won 25 games in their last at bats through July, I think (going from memory in this post), capped by Robin Ventura's grand slam off of Goose Gossage on the last day of the month. In one out of four games they had played up to that point, they came up with the big hits to go ahead for good in their last at bats. That July 31 game pulled them within three games of the Twins. That's what good teams do.

The trouble was, they didn't do it in August and September when good teams do it. I think they only had one or two last-at-bat wins the rest of the way. They lost two more games than they won, despite Wilson Alvarez coming up and pitching a no-hitter in his debut with the team. Of the remaining 62 games, 22 were decided by one run and they lost 14 of them.

White Sox history offers far more negative examples than positive ones, so I understand the reflex to be negative. But the lesson should be that this team isn't worth giving up on. All is far from lost.

nsolo
06-18-2009, 07:56 PM
I was following the game online, I HAD a great feeling until Linebrink was brought in. That's when I mentally screamed "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....".

Because of Linebrink's recent performance and my belief that my negative opinion of him would somehow filter into cyberspace to jinx my beloved Sox, I turned off my computer monitor.

I waited until later when, without looking, I felt for the monitor switch, and turned it on. I tried to force positive thoughts, barely opened one eye and glanced at the score which was by then a final.

I swore so loud and long that my cat took off for high ground and my wife told me she hates it when the Cubs and Sox play because I become unbearable.

:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:: angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

She's right. I'm happy that the cat had sense enough to go and hide.

central44
06-18-2009, 08:04 PM
I was following the game online, I HAD a great feeling until Linebrink was brought in. That's when I mentally screamed "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....".

Because of Linebrink's recent performance and my belief that my negative opinion of him would somehow filter into cyberspace to jinx my beloved Sox, I turned off my computer monitor.

I waited until later when, without looking, I felt for the monitor switch, and turned it on. I tried to force positive thoughts, barely opened one eye and glanced at the score which was by then a final.

I swore so loud and long that my cat took off for high ground and my wife told me she hates it when the Cubs and Sox play because I become unbearable.

:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:: angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

She's right. I'm happy that the cat had sense enough to go and hide.

I felt the same way once I saw Linebrink warming up. I actually yelled at my TV because I thought sending in Thornton was an obvious decision. Its kind of pathetic that Sox fans everywhere probably cringed at that moment and Ozzie still saw nothing wrong with that decision.

I don't get it. But then, I never pretended to.

JB98
06-18-2009, 08:06 PM
I was following the game online, I HAD a great feeling until Linebrink was brought in. That's when I mentally screamed "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....".

Because of Linebrink's recent performance and my belief that my negative opinion of him would somehow filter into cyberspace to jinx my beloved Sox, I turned off my computer monitor.

I waited until later when, without looking, I felt for the monitor switch, and turned it on. I tried to force positive thoughts, barely opened one eye and glanced at the score which was by then a final.

I swore so loud and long that my cat took off for high ground and my wife told me she hates it when the Cubs and Sox play because I become unbearable.

:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:: angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

She's right. I'm happy that the cat had sense enough to go and hide.

I just posted a blog about how Linebrink no longer passes the "Oh, ****!" test. When a reliever comes in and you as a fan say, "Oh, ****!," that's never a good sign.

nsolo
06-18-2009, 08:08 PM
I felt the same way once I saw Linebrink warming up. I actually yelled at my TV because I thought sending in Thornton was an obvious decision. Its kind of pathetic that Sox fans everywhere probably cringed at that moment and Ozzie still saw nothing wrong with that decision.

I don't get it. But then, I never pretended to.

I get somewhat of the same feeling at work. I know my boss is going to screw up, he screws up worse than expected and then just blows off the mistake as if fate made it beyond his control.

Of course, if I punch in one minute late....its hell to pay.

Dick Allen
06-18-2009, 08:12 PM
Plain and simple, a team with playoff aspirations should never, ever, throw away a four run lead with only six outs to go, especially against a weak-*** hitting team like the cubs. If the pitcher you have in there is not good enough to get three outs without crumbling, GET HIM THE HELL OUT OF THERE!!!! Garbage like this has been happening all too often this season. If one area of the team is clicking, another area comes along to botch it. Now that the starting pitching seems to be coming along, the bullpen sucks. It's no wonder we've been hovering around .500 all season and probably will the rest of the season unless some changes are made. And, unlike some of you, I can't get past the fact that it was the friggin cubs. When you're fighting against your competition for the entertainment dollar, these games need to be won. Not to mention having to listen to their ignorant fans.

Viva Medias B's
06-18-2009, 08:21 PM
Ozzie lost the game by leaving Linebrink in there too long. It's as simple as that.

SCCWS
06-18-2009, 08:25 PM
I was following the game online, I HAD a great feeling until Linebrink was brought in. That's when I mentally screamed "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....".

Because of Linebrink's recent performance and my belief that my negative opinion of him would somehow filter into cyberspace to jinx my beloved Sox, I turned off my computer monitor.



Personal attack edited. His most recent performance was pitching a perfect 8th inning yesterday against the Cubs.

Mod Edit: First of all, I had to clean up your quote function. Secondly, watch the personal attacks. Next one gets you some time off.

Rohan
06-18-2009, 08:30 PM
I was following the game online, I HAD a great feeling until Linebrink was brought in. That's when I mentally screamed "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....".

Because of Linebrink's recent performance and my belief that my negative opinion of him would somehow filter into cyberspace to jinx my beloved Sox, I turned off my computer monitor.



EDITED. His most recent performance was pitching a perfect 8th inning yesterday against the Cubs.

Recent performance means this season... Don't be so judgmental...
:dtroll:

nsolo
06-18-2009, 08:41 PM
I was following the game online, I HAD a great feeling until Linebrink was brought in. That's when I mentally screamed "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....".

Because of Linebrink's recent performance and my belief that my negative opinion of him would somehow filter into cyberspace to jinx my beloved Sox, I turned off my computer monitor.



EDITED. His most recent performance was pitching a perfect 8th inning yesterday against the Cubs.

My initial reaction to Linebrink being brought was based on a mix of subjective opinion and overall performances he's provided during this season. Although there have been ups and downs, the negatives took charge to create my reaction. In simple terms, I felt a terrible gut feeling that came to be.

You may think I'm stupid, but Thorton would have been my first choice. Yours?

JB98
06-18-2009, 08:45 PM
Linebrink has struggled A LOT lately. He lost two games in the Detroit series. He came in with a 7-0 lead Saturday in Milwaukee and did so poorly that Ozzie brought in Thornton to finish the ninth inning. Anderson made a fine catch to help Linebrink retire his first man on Wednesday.

Linebrink has made a lot of bad pitches lately. I don't think any fan is out of line for not having confidence in that guy right now.

drewcifer
06-18-2009, 09:03 PM
Ozzie lost the game by leaving Linebrink in there too long. It's as simple as that.


http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f322/fugnutz/manageozzie.jpg

Viva Medias B's
06-18-2009, 09:10 PM
Linebrink has struggled A LOT lately. He lost two games in the Detroit series. He came in with a 7-0 lead Saturday in Milwaukee and did so poorly that Ozzie brought in Thornton to finish the ninth inning. Anderson made a fine catch to help Linebrink retire his first man on Wednesday.

Linebrink has made a lot of bad pitches lately. I don't think any fan is out of line for not having confidence in that guy right now.

Linebrink has become so much a liability that I am beginning to wonder if he should do nothing but ride the pines. Also, on his Score show this evening, Laurence Holmes played a cut of Linebrink after the game saying he's tired of the media asking about his health. That didn't go over very well, boys and girls.

drewcifer
06-18-2009, 09:13 PM
Linebrink has become so much a liability that I am beginning to wonder if he should do nothing but ride the pines. Also, on his Score show this evening, Laurence Holmes played a cut of Linebrink after the game saying he's tired of the media asking about his health. That didn't go over very well, boys and girls.

Expensive bench heat, but what else can you do? I don't think Ozzie was being an idiot seeing an 8th inning, 4 run lead as a cheap opportunity to build quick easy confidence in an expensive reliever who had been struggling.

But after the Lee HR, it was CLEAR that the opportunity was lost.... That's what was so excruciating.

Tragg
06-18-2009, 09:24 PM
This was a really tough loss.
Did Floyd need to come out of the game?

We've blown a lot of games lately: today, 2 against the Tigers.

JB98
06-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Linebrink has become so much a liability that I am beginning to wonder if he should do nothing but ride the pines. Also, on his Score show this evening, Laurence Holmes played a cut of Linebrink after the game saying he's tired of the media asking about his health. That didn't go over very well, boys and girls.

I don't blame Linebrink for being sick of that ****. It's a stupid question. If he weren't healthy, he wouldn't be out there two days in a row.

However, he does need to pitch only in non-pressure situations until he regains his command.

JB98
06-18-2009, 09:28 PM
This was a really tough loss.
Did Floyd need to come out of the game?

We've blown a lot of games lately: today, 2 against the Tigers.

Yes. Floyd couldn't get a breaking ball over to save his life today. He did a tremendous job to get through seven while giving up only one run. He did not have good stuff today, and I thought it was a good decision to turn it over to the bullpen.

Linebrink just didn't get it done.

oeo
06-18-2009, 09:30 PM
Linebrink has struggled A LOT lately. He lost two games in the Detroit series. He came in with a 7-0 lead Saturday in Milwaukee and did so poorly that Ozzie brought in Thornton to finish the ninth inning. Anderson made a fine catch to help Linebrink retire his first man on Wednesday.

Linebrink has made a lot of bad pitches lately. I don't think any fan is out of line for not having confidence in that guy right now.

Linebrink has not been the same since he hit the DL last year; he's still missing some MPH off his fastball, and his splitter doesn't have the same bite to it. He needs to be demoted from the set up role.

drewcifer
06-18-2009, 09:37 PM
Yes. Floyd couldn't get a breaking ball over to save his life today. He did a tremendous job to get through seven while giving up only one run. He did not have good stuff today, and I thought it was a good decision to turn it over to the bullpen.

Linebrink just didn't get it done.

Yeah, pretty good assessment. Floyd was by no means sharp, but he was controlling a weak hitting team nonetheless. He put in 7 complete as you said; getting him out before he pissed himself really wasn't the bad move.

JB98
06-18-2009, 09:41 PM
Yeah, pretty good assessment. Floyd was by no means sharp, but he was controlling a weak hitting team nonetheless. He put in 7 complete; getting him out before he pissed himself really wasn't a bad move.

And the pitcher's spot in the batting order came up in top of the eighth, while the Sox were trying for a knockout punch. It made sense to pinch-hit there, although I thought it was odd that Ozzie replaced Thome with Fields after Piniella brought in Marshall.

I'll take my chances with Thome over Fields, even against a left-handed pitcher. As it turned out, Fields walked and the inning ended with a Pods groundout.

twinsuck
06-18-2009, 09:41 PM
I hope Scott Linebrink dies a slow painful death.

Do you think that's over doing it a bit, or no?

Jim Shorts
06-18-2009, 09:43 PM
However, he does need to pitch only in non-pressure situations until he regains his command.

I'm sorry, but a four run lead with two outs is a non pressure situation.

Linebrink has lost whatever he had. It's not there.

JB98
06-18-2009, 09:44 PM
I'm sorry, but a four run lead with two outs is a non pressure situation.

Linebrink has lost whatever he had. It's not there.

Well, they're not going to cut him. So what do you recommend?

Linebrink turned a non-pressure situation into a pressure situation today. At that point, he should have been removed from the game.

drewcifer
06-18-2009, 09:44 PM
I hope Scott Linebrink dies a slow painful death.

Do you think that's over doing it a bit, or no?

Yeah, maybe a smidge. Some DL time over an "infected thumb" maybe more appropos?

doublem23
06-18-2009, 09:53 PM
I'm not going back there for another 10 years.

Jim Shorts
06-18-2009, 10:15 PM
Well, they're not going to cut him. So what do you recommend?

Linebrink turned a non-pressure situation into a pressure situation today. At that point, he should have been removed from the game.

Linebrink threw yesterday and got by. He's been shakey at best for the past month or so.

What was wrong with Dotel in either situation today; to come in when Linebrink did, or just after Lee hit his dong?

I'm recommending either

JB98
06-18-2009, 10:18 PM
Linebrink threw yesterday and got by. He's been shakey at best for the past month or so.

What was wrong with Dotel in either situation today; to come in when Linebrink did, or just after Lee hit his dong?

I'm recommending either

I don't think Linebrink coming in today was necessarily a bad move, although I'm not sure why he was needed for a second straight day when others were fresh.

Anyway, he should be able to protect a four-run lead. But after the Lee homer, Thornton was ready and should have been brought into the game. Lefty-righty crap be damned.

EdHerman12
06-18-2009, 10:41 PM
Oh how one guy can make us forget a pitcher like Billy Koch......on to 'Cinati..........

Boondock Saint
06-18-2009, 10:41 PM
I am pissed beyond words at Ozzie and Linebrink.

Gavin
06-18-2009, 10:53 PM
At least we're losing games 6-5 and not 2-0, 3-0, etc...

Britt Burns
06-18-2009, 11:13 PM
I love Ozzie, but leaving Linebrink in to face Soto, much less Lee, was inexcusable.

Shoeless
06-18-2009, 11:15 PM
At least we're losing games 6-5 and not 2-0, 3-0, etc...

This loss is the most painful, however it does not worry me very much. The Sox continue to hit and another good (though wasted) outing by Gavin Floyd. It's so painful and it gets me so angry because there's a friggin civil war on my facebook wall of cubs fans and sox fans arguing what happened today, but this was one of our losses where it wasn't a shutout and we scored a lot of runs.

Not to mention, painful or not, it's one game. There are plenty more. We could be the cubs right now, where the sports media continues to call for lineup changes and the team has worse production from players making tons more money (see also, soriano's numbers vs. fields's numbers).

Zakath
06-18-2009, 11:43 PM
Getz commits the error on the first batter of the inning.

It's not until we have runners on 1st and 2nd and 2 outs that Linebrink gives up the 2 back-to-back homers.

And people want to blame Getz for the loss.

If Getz had pulled a Luis Castillo, you can blame him for the loss. But, sorry, there's no reason that Linebrink shouldn't have been able to pitch out of that. Danks did it a couple of times on Wednesday, and Floyd did once on Thursday.

This one's on Linebrink, and Ozzie for leaving him out there.

LoveYourSuit
06-18-2009, 11:46 PM
Took a trip out here to St Pete Beach to get away from this annoying series. I hate being around town and work during the series.

Just wanted to chime in on what appears to be another summer bullpen implosion by our Sox. It's always around this time the bullpen hits the crapper. It makes me sick:angry:

Everyone has played a role in crapping the bed here lately. I don't understand why this happens every year? Mr Coop, looking at you as I type.

As for Linebrink:
The guy pains me when pitches. His mound presence is God awful ever since he got hurt last year. He looks in pain when he throws. The guy is not healthy IMO, anyone that doesn't see this including management needs to get their eyes checked.

BleacherBandit
06-19-2009, 03:28 AM
It's 3:30 AM. I was just awakened by a terrible dream where the Sox lost to the Sox lost on a walk-off at Wrigley by Zambrano. No joke.

Just thought everybody'd like to know.

waldo_the_wolf
06-19-2009, 03:30 AM
Getz commits the error on the first batter of the inning.

It's not until we have runners on 1st and 2nd and 2 outs that Linebrink gives up the 2 back-to-back homers.

And people want to blame Getz for the loss.

If Getz had pulled a Luis Castillo, you can blame him for the loss. But, sorry, there's no reason that Linebrink shouldn't have been able to pitch out of that. Danks did it a couple of times on Wednesday, and Floyd did once on Thursday.

This one's on Linebrink, and Ozzie for leaving him out there.

? I think you mean Alex Gonzalez; other than that, I agree with you 100 percent

Dibbs
06-19-2009, 04:11 AM
Ozzie definitely should have taken out Linebrink after Lee hit that homer. I would have never put him in to begin with.

Ozzie managed a great game on Wednesday. Thursday was bad. Taking out Dye in that situation was a bad idea too.

Btw, that was not Getz's fault at all. Linebrink threw a cheesepuff that was smashed. Not too many guys would make that play. It was a rocket hit to Getz.

And who was that in the gameday thread that had the nerve to argue with me that Linebrink has not been shaky lol.

nsolo
06-19-2009, 06:45 AM
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f322/fugnutz/manageozzie.jpg

Love that picture of Linbrink! Talk about the "deer in the headlights" look.

southside rocks
06-19-2009, 06:45 AM
? I think you mean Alex Gonzalez; other than that, I agree with you 100 percent

No, I think he meant Luis Castillo. Earlier this week, Castillo dropped a routine fly ball and it allowed the Yankees to beat the Mets.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290612110

Getz didn't lose the game, Linebrink lost the game for the Sox. It happens. I hope Linebrink's shoulder tendinitis, or whatever it was that sidelined him last year, is not bothering him again.

southside rocks
06-19-2009, 06:47 AM
I hope Scott Linebrink dies a slow painful death.

Do you think that's over doing it a bit, or no?

Overdoing it a bit? No. Overdoing it a lot? Yes. :rolleyes:

WhiteSox1989
06-19-2009, 06:58 AM
I am still laughing at Linebrink's Wikipedia page. Who just does that? I mean THAT'S a bit much.

Anyway. The loss sucked, and now I have to hear it from Cubs fans (not like I'll be hiding though-like they did when they lost). I wore a shirt out last night that had the World Series ring on the back that said "Where's yours?":D:

Get 'em in Cincy! Go Sox!:bandance:

RedHeadPaleHoser
06-19-2009, 07:23 AM
Carl once again hits it on the head!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3327/3640386119_8917e60754_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28450386@N03/3640386119/)

stl_sox_fan
06-19-2009, 07:37 AM
Carl once again hits it on the head!



Ha! Carl was very quick to press with that one. http://smellslikemascot.blogspot.com/

WhiteSoxFTW
06-19-2009, 10:15 AM
I don't blame Linebrink for being sick of that ****. It's a stupid question. If he weren't healthy, he wouldn't be out there two days in a row.

However, he does need to pitch only in non-pressure situations until he regains his command.

He doesn't look healthy out there throwing fastballs with no movement. And, you are telling me that a pitcher has never lied about their health?

whitesoxwin
06-19-2009, 10:44 AM
Getz should not be blamed. Errors happen. It's a part of the game but Linebrink should pitch over it. That is inexcusable especially against the Cubs offense which has been terrible lately. The pitches to Lee and Soto were down the middle. Any major league hitter with decent power is going to hit those a mile.

Well, I thought I might as well throw some of thoughts out here and join the rest of the Sox Fans in our despair.
Couple items:
1) Getz let the ball play him...period.
2) Linebrink...had some questionable pitch calls from the Ump, but so did Floyd...but no need to GROVE a pitch to good fastball hitters.
3) Linebrink has been REAL BAD (VERY questionable control..well real BAD control) the last couple times he took the mound.

I saw a thread about the worse Sox players...well, we all remember Marte and his habit of really blowing big games..he is on mine (well, he did win WS Game 4) and right now LINEBRINK is getting real close to making it.
Pitching Dotel...maybe one or two batter would have maybe been a move (he has the same reputation from the National League about blowing big games..but I would have given him the nod..especially with 2 outs in the 8th and especially in the 9th w/ 2 outs) ..what about Thornton to start the eighth?
What about Poreda..young, throws hard, good control and has a good presence on the mound.
Who would have given a damn if one or two runs were scored in the process..would have set up the 9th for Jenks.
Bottom line...play to win..especially when BOTH Detroit & the Twinkies lost.
Why does Ozzie keeps marching Linebrink out there really baffles me and apparently most Sox fans.
Well, lets hope Ozzie gets something through his thick head and realizes Linebrink isn't worth the $$...
I will expect if Linebrink trots out in a game w/ Cincy and pulls the same crap...he will probably be hiding in the bullpen dugout the entire Flub series at home.
That's enough of my rambling.
Go Sox!!

WhiteSoxFTW
06-19-2009, 11:05 AM
Well, I thought I might as well throw some of thoughts out here and join the rest of the Sox Fans in our despair.
Couple items:
1) Getz let the ball play him...period.
2) Linebrink...had some questionable pitch calls from the Ump, but so did Floyd...but no need to GROVE a pitch to good fastball hitters.
3) Linebrink has been REAL BAD (VERY questionable control..well real BAD control) the last couple times he took the mound.

I saw a thread about the worse Sox players...well, we all remember Marte and his habit of really blowing big games..he is on mine (well, he did win WS Game 4) and right now LINEBRINK is getting real close to making it.
Pitching Dotel...maybe one or two batter would have maybe been a move (he has the same reputation from the National League about blowing big games..but I would have given him the nod..especially with 2 outs in the 8th and especially in the 9th w/ 2 outs) ..what about Thornton to start the eighth?
What about Poreda..young, throws hard, good control and has a good presence on the mound.
Who would have given a damn if one or two runs were scored in the process..would have set up the 9th for Jenks.
Bottom line...play to win..especially when BOTH Detroit & the Twinkies lost.
Why does Ozzie keeps marching Linebrink out there really baffles me and apparently most Sox fans.
Well, lets hope Ozzie gets something through his thick head and realizes Linebrink isn't worth the $$...
I will expect if Linebrink trots out in a game w/ Cincy and pulls the same crap...he will probably be hiding in the bullpen dugout the entire Flub series at home.
That's enough of my rambling.
Go Sox!!

Both Detroit and the Twins won last night.

Another note about Linebrink. If you watch the replay of Soto's homerun, you'll notice AJ was set up low and outside and Linebrink totally missed the spot and you could tell from AJ's body language how upset he was.

ode to veeck
06-19-2009, 11:59 AM
Indeed, the Crosstown Classic tends to bring out the worst in people. Fortunately, knowing no Cubs fans here in A's country, I can consider the Cubs just another National League team who the White Sox won't have to deal with in the standings. I hate losing to the A's much, much more.

One thing to consider is that one-run-game trend can be reversed if teams improve over the course of the year. And you will see teams lose a lot of one-run games late in the season even after winning a lot of them early.

There are teams like the 1967 White Sox who were contenders because they won a lot of one-run games and teams like the 1968 White Sox who were bad because they lost a lot of one-run games. (Bill James has pointed to 1968 being the evening out that sometimes takes more than a year.)

You also have teams like the 1991 White Sox. They won 25 games in their last at bats through July, I think (going from memory in this post), capped by Robin Ventura's grand slam off of Goose Gossage on the last day of the month. In one out of four games they had played up to that point, they came up with the big hits to go ahead for good in their last at bats. That July 31 game pulled them within three games of the Twins. That's what good teams do.

The trouble was, they didn't do it in August and September when good teams do it. I think they only had one or two last-at-bat wins the rest of the way. They lost two more games than they won, despite Wilson Alvarez coming up and pitching a no-hitter in his debut with the team. Of the remaining 62 games, 22 were decided by one run and they lost 14 of them.

White Sox history offers far more negative examples than positive ones, so I understand the reflex to be negative. But the lesson should be that this team isn't worth giving up on. All is far from lost.

the 2005 White Sox won a lot of 1 run games, especially in the 1st half

kittle42
06-19-2009, 12:25 PM
To take a page out of the gamethreads:

LinebRRRRink.

JB98
06-19-2009, 12:46 PM
To take a page out of the gamethreads:

LinebRRRRink.

That reminds me of the time back in the day when fans in left field were posting the letter "R" on the railing for every run that Jaime Navarro gave up.

kittle42
06-19-2009, 12:57 PM
That reminds me of the time back in the day when fans in left field were posting the letter "R" on the railing for every run that Jaime Navarro gave up.

And this is why I love Sox fans.

slavko
06-19-2009, 01:32 PM
That reminds me of the time back in the day when fans in left field were posting the letter "R" on the railing for every run that Jaime Navarro gave up.

New one to me. Great stuff. When Floyd got his last batter Stoney was saying "if he doesn't get this guy, Thornton will be in. He's been struggling all game." So get on Ozzie for picking the wrong guy, not making the move.

MarySwiss
06-19-2009, 01:46 PM
Both Detroit and the Twins won last night.

Another note about Linebrink. If you watch the replay of Soto's homerun, you'll notice AJ was set up low and outside and Linebrink totally missed the spot and you could tell from AJ's body language how upset he was.

Ahhh! I saw a clip last night of AJ in the dugout with his face buried in his hands. That explains it.

whitesoxwin
06-19-2009, 04:28 PM
Both Detroit and the Twins won last night.

I humbly stand corrected.

TDog
06-19-2009, 04:36 PM
the 2005 White Sox won a lot of 1 run games, especially in the 1st half

That got them into the postseason, where they won some more one-run games (two of the World Series wins were by one run, scored late, and that excludes the two-run extra-inning win).

But losing games by one run in the first half of the season doesn't always mean a team is bad enough to lose one-run games in the second half.

There is nothing the White Sox can do to get the losses back, which is why the loss column is so vital. But the one-run losses haven't doomed the Sox either.

Unless you're brand new to being a Sox fan, being negative is easy. Even if you claim you're being realistic, the excessive negativity can take the fun out of baseball.

WhiteSoxFTW
06-19-2009, 04:39 PM
Ahhh! I saw a clip last night of AJ in the dugout with his face buried in his hands. That explains it.

Yeah, and you can see it as soon as Soto goes trotting down towards first base. I'll have to rewatch the Lee HR to see if he missed the spot on that pitch, too. I assume he probably did.

kittle42
06-19-2009, 05:14 PM
Unless you're brand new to being a Sox fan, being negative is easy. Even if you claim you're being realistic, the excessive negativity can take the fun out of baseball.

I haven't found sports fun for years! :wink:

TommyJohn
06-19-2009, 10:38 PM
Unless you're brand new to being a Sox fan, being negative is easy. Even if you claim you're being realistic, the excessive negativity can take the fun out of baseball.

I used to be one of those relentlessly negative Sox fans, until I realized that it was too easy. I also must admit that the relentless negativity I read here also helped turn me around. Seriously, the positive people made me think "I'd like to hang with you and talk baseball." The negative ones made me think "just go and shoot yourself." It was like looking into a mirror and not liking what I was seeing. 2005 helped, too, although I was one of those who went through September thinking they were doomed, doomed, doomed. I just never said so on here. So now I look at the upside. They're not horrible, just erratic. One or two good trades can make the difference. Hell, maybe the talent they have now will pool together and they'll go on a run. It has happened many times to many teams. Does that mean it will happen to them? No, but I'm not counting the season as over until the number in the "GB" column exceeds the number of games left.

doublem23
06-20-2009, 02:05 AM
Indeed, the Crosstown Classic tends to bring out the worst in people.

Actually I was at the game yesterday and I was surprised by how cordial people were being with one another. I hadn't been a to Crosstown Game since 2001 and I've spent my summers in Peoria away from the city during the baseball season since 2004, so a lot of reports I get about this series are second-hand. I sat in the 200 section yesterday, down the 3B line and while there were some scattered Sox fans, most of the section were Cub fans who were very polite. Honestly, what I think has happened is that a lot of Cub fans have started throwing in the towel on the season and really, Cub fans are only obnoxious when they have that smug, undeserved sense of entitlement, as if I'm to be awed by the great and proud history of a team on a 101-year skid.

To be honest, the two most obnoxious people from my vantage point were two dumbass Sox fans sitting way down in either the 1st row of 208 or the last row of 108 (I assume), who were kind of talking trash and hooping and hollering when we were doing good, but they kept on doing it even after Linebrink's meltdown. I wanted to tell them to sit down and shut up because they looked like total assclowns during a classic Sox meltdown.

white sox bill
06-20-2009, 08:31 AM
I swear, if the cubs go on a hot streak now,(they overcame a 7 run deficit yesterday to beat the Tribe) and the media points to this game as the tuning point, coupled the possibility that we may sink further, I'm gonna
:chunks

kittle42
06-20-2009, 08:56 AM
Cub fans are only obnoxious when they have that smug, undeserved sense of entitlement, as if I'm to be awed by the great and proud history of a team on a 101-year skid.

What a GREAT description of what has always bothered me about them.

white sox bill
06-20-2009, 09:12 AM
Cub fans are only obnoxious when they have that smug, undeserved sense of entitlement, as if I'm to be awed by the great and proud history of a team on a 101-year skid.

.

Indeed well put, I have pointed this out to quite a few cub fans, their response is almost universal: "That's because we are the Classic Underdogs and everyone roots for the Underdogs" or something like that

soltrain21
06-20-2009, 09:29 AM
I swear, if the cubs go on a hot streak now,(they overcame a 7 run deficit yesterday to beat the Tribe) and the media points to this game as the tuning point, coupled the possibility that we may sink further, I'm gonna
:chunks


If that happens, the media would be correct - so I see no reason why you'd "hurl."

TommyJohn
06-20-2009, 09:30 AM
Indeed well put, I have pointed this out to quite a few cub fans, their response is almost universal: "That's because we are the Classic Underdogs and everyone roots for the Underdogs" or something like that
The Cubs are a classic underdog like Microsoft is a classic underdog.

white sox bill
06-20-2009, 09:37 AM
If that happens, the media would be correct - so I see no reason why you'd "hurl."
Because I hurled when the media claimed Sammy and Mark "saved" baseball with their individual accomplishments in 1998. Actually I hurl whenever the hype gets out of control about the cubs period. It then becomes a feeding frenzy

BoysMom3
06-20-2009, 10:26 AM
I just got in from out of town, and my experience was like Dub's. I went with my two little guys, and ThomeFan's girlfriend. We were in section 220, about 2/3 of the way up behind home plate. We had such a great time.

Everyone was super friendly and just having fun. Of course I didn't like how the game ended, but it happened so fast that we hardly reacted - I think we were in shock. I just shook my head and there were a few young guys sitting next to us that were very nice - the one next to me and I shook hands and said "good game."

There were a lot of friends and families with fans from both teams. There were some young guys sitting behind us like that, and they were good naturedly kidding each other. They would crack me up when the Cubs scored - the Cub fans would say - you can put it on the boarrd, yes!

We all had a great time, and the only part that was rotten was how long it took to get back to Rockford because of traffic and those ridiculous toll areas.