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longtimesoxguy
06-09-2009, 07:01 PM
We took a center fielder from LSU also was a wide receiver. Mlb studio anylists like him very much

Big D
06-09-2009, 07:02 PM
The MLB Network studio analysts have liked every pick. They haven't said one bad thing about a single player.

soxnut1018
06-09-2009, 07:03 PM
We took a center fielder from LSU also was a wide receiver. Mlb studio anylists like him very much

I like the pick a lot. Mitchell shows about as much upside as you can expect at 23.

nodiggity59
06-09-2009, 07:04 PM
Another former football player?

Kenny, you don't say!

:KW

"Our goal is to win the Super Bowl every year."

Harry Potter
06-09-2009, 07:07 PM
Scouting report on mlb.com sounds like Jerry Owens version 2.0 :scratch:

Daver
06-09-2009, 07:07 PM
Another former football player?

Kenny, you don't say!

:KW

"Our goal is to win the Super Bowl every year."

A large percentage of college athletes that play baseball also play football or basketball, because scholarships for baseball are not something available in abundunce.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:11 PM
Don't love it, don't hate it. At least it isn't a super safe pick. Risky with alot of upside.

Jim Shorts
06-09-2009, 07:19 PM
A large percentage of college athletes that play baseball also play football or basketball, because scholarships for baseball are not something available in abundunce.

And most of the time, they are just partial scholarships. i.e. just books, just board, tuition, etc.

Few DI baseball schools have a full allotment of schollies to distribute.

bigdommer
06-09-2009, 07:42 PM
Big D - I think Harold Reynolds and company are psychologically programmed by MLB network to like every pick and like the overall draft process.

I spoke with a scout from another team about Mitchell, who he had seen play a few times. He likes the kid from a talent and makeup perspective, but there are two distinct opinions on Mitchell. Some think that his upside is huge, as he has major league speed and defense today, and will develop his bat as he commits to the sport full time. However, the other camp thinks that his athleticism has allowed him to keep up with college pitching, and that he will be overmatched at the next level.

So, his downside sounds like Jerry Owens, while his upside sounds like Mike Cameron.

cbrownson13
06-09-2009, 07:49 PM
Big D - I think Harold Reynolds and company are psychologically programmed by MLB network to like every pick and like the overall draft process.

I spoke with a scout from another team about Mitchell, who he had seen play a few times. He likes the kid from a talent and makeup perspective, but there are two distinct opinions on Mitchell. Some think that his upside is huge, as he has major league speed and defense today, and will develop his bat as he commits to the sport full time. However, the other camp thinks that his athleticism has allowed him to keep up with college pitching, and that he will be overmatched at the next level.

So, his downside sounds like Jerry Owens, while his upside sounds like Mike Cameron.

So either way, not a leadoff hitter?

russ99
06-09-2009, 07:50 PM
Jerry Owens was never confused as having major-league quality defense, and he was an undrafted FA.

This kid has a heck of a lot of potential, but the Sox will have to take it a bit slower on the development track as to not overmatch him and give him time to grow as a hitter. He's got an odd open swing that will need to be corrected. Could be a 40/20 man, as he does have a little pop. I'm not sure to compare him to, since he's a really good athlete but a bit raw as a MLB prospect. Maybe Jared Mitchell's upside would be someone equal parts of current-day Abreu and Granderson. Downside would be more like a weaker version of Fred Lewis.

My only issue is that it's a bit of a reach at the end of the first. He may have been available at the next Sox pick.

canOcorn
06-09-2009, 08:03 PM
Jerry Owens was never confused as having major-league quality defense, and he was an undrafted FA.

This kid has a heck of a lot of potential, but the Sox will have to take it a bit slower on the development track as to not overmatch him and give him time to grow as a hitter. He's got an odd open swing that will need to be corrected. Could be a 40/20 man, as he does have a little pop. I'm not sure to compare him to, since he's a really good athlete but a bit raw as a MLB prospect. Maybe Jared Mitchell's upside would be someone equal parts of current-day Abreu and Granderson. Downside would be more like a weaker version of Fred Lewis.

My only issue is that it's a bit of a reach at the end of the first. He may have been available at the next Sox pick.

I doubt he would have been available at the next pick, he's got too much upside. I question whether we can fix his holes and develope him to reach that potential.

gosox41
06-09-2009, 10:03 PM
We took a center fielder from LSU also was a wide receiver. Mlb studio anylists like him very much



Does he actually have any baseball ability or are we looking at another Borchard or Owens?


Bob

Craig Grebeck
06-09-2009, 10:05 PM
Jerry Owens was never confused as having major-league quality defense, and he was an undrafted FA.

This kid has a heck of a lot of potential, but the Sox will have to take it a bit slower on the development track as to not overmatch him and give him time to grow as a hitter. He's got an odd open swing that will need to be corrected. Could be a 40/20 man, as he does have a little pop. I'm not sure to compare him to, since he's a really good athlete but a bit raw as a MLB prospect. Maybe Jared Mitchell's upside would be someone equal parts of current-day Abreu and Granderson. Downside would be more like a weaker version of Fred Lewis.

My only issue is that it's a bit of a reach at the end of the first. He may have been available at the next Sox pick.
Jerry was a second round draft pick in 2003. Hardly an undrafted FA.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 10:14 PM
Jerry was a second round draft pick in 2003. Hardly an undrafted FA.

What is your take on Mitchell? For? Against? Gummi Bears?

palehozenychicty
06-09-2009, 10:28 PM
I would have went with a college pitcher that slipped down.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 10:29 PM
Does he actually have any baseball ability or are we looking at another Borchard or Owens?


Bob

That is the million dollar question. The basic concept is either or. This is a boom or bust prospect. He either ends up like those 2 and will never be anything at the mlb level, or he becomes Mike Cameron.

Scouts use numbers to grade prospects. He has a 45 (below average) contact potential and a 60(potential all star) Power and a 65 (Elite) speed. Basically, if he maxes to what most believe is his ceiling (and yes he could develop more), he is a 260 hitter with 30 homer and 40 stolen base potential.

DumpJerry
06-09-2009, 11:45 PM
Another former football player?

Kenny, you don't say!
:tealtutor:

Craig Grebeck
06-10-2009, 12:05 AM
What is your take on Mitchell? For? Against? Gummi Bears?
Mildly pleased. Happy to see a risk, but would have rather taken some pitching in that spot. But if we're going for speed, I'm glad we went for a guy with some other skills.

I think it's pretty unfair to marginalize a guy based on scouting reports and label his ceiling as Mike Cameron. That being said, I'd take Mike Cameron in a heartbeat. Hell of a good baseball player.

cws05champ
06-10-2009, 08:13 AM
Mildly pleased. Happy to see a risk, but would have rather taken some pitching in that spot. But if we're going for speed, I'm glad we went for a guy with some other skills.

I think it's pretty unfair to marginalize a guy based on scouting reports and label his ceiling as Mike Cameron. That being said, I'd take Mike Cameron in a heartbeat. Hell of a good baseball player.
By all accounts we got the best college athlete in the draft last year(Danks) and the best overall athlete this year both with good speed and some power potential.
Please do not rush this next kid. Sounds like he needs some work on his swing and base stealing technique. Hope he turns into the next Carl Crawford...but I'm not holding my breath. I was disappointed that three high upside college arms came into our division in the first round.

Harry Chappas
06-10-2009, 09:32 AM
FWIW - Goldstein from Baseball Prospectus was on the Score this AM and basically echoed what has been said but stopped short of creating a "ceiling" for him. Basically, he said he could be a superstar, but that his game is a work in progress.

We fans complain about the "safe" picks and then when we roll the dice, all I read about is how he would have been there at 38 - as if this is a statement of fact.

It's hard enough to evaluate an NFL draft where we fans are more familiar with the names/games of the prospects. But grading a baseball draft this early is a waste of time. Let's wait a couple of years.

Luke
06-10-2009, 09:44 AM
By all accounts we got the best college athlete in the draft last year(Danks) and the best overall athlete this year both with good speed and some power potential.
Please do not rush this next kid. Sounds like he needs some work on his swing and base stealing technique. Hope he turns into the next Carl Crawford...but I'm not holding my breath. I was disappointed that three high upside college arms came into our division in the first round.

I looked for some video of his swing for a couple minutes, but couldn't find anything. From what I read, it sounds like he has a long swing, but has been able to make up for it with his athleticism. I have no idea how coachable the kid is, but I hope the organization takes their time with him, works on shortening up his swing.

thedudeabides
06-10-2009, 09:53 AM
So either way, not a leadoff hitter?

He could very well be a leadoff hitter. He had a .325 average, and a .471 OBP this year. He had a high strikout rate, but it wasn't all issues with making contact. He took a lot of called third strikes as he is suppose to be very selective at the plate.

He has the potential to be a good defender and develop some good power, so I don't think the Jerry Owens comparisons make any sense at all. He's definitely a little raw, so don't expect a meteoric rise through the system like we've seen with Beckham and Poreda.

bigdommer
06-10-2009, 09:56 AM
So either way, not a leadoff hitter?

Well, he's a .325 hitter with a .471 OBP. Now, some will say big deal, that's college. But as a former college catcher, I can guarantee you that I would not pitch around a guy with this much speed. He's a double if you walk him, so you have to attack the strike zone. Pure speculation, but with an OBP that high, he has a very keen eye for the strike zone and is not simply being "pitched around."

Correction to my previous post, partially courtesy of the trib. My scout friend compared him to Carl Crawford, not Cameron. He compared the HS outfielder taken early in the first round to Cameron.

Ranger
06-10-2009, 10:49 AM
Scouting report on mlb.com sounds like Jerry Owens version 2.0 :scratch:

Owens never had power potential, so I wouldn't liken mlb's scouting report to that of his. The only similarities between the two are that they are both fast and played football. And it is not uncommon for college baseball players to have also played some other sport. And just because they did, doesn't mean that they aren't WAY better at baseball.

Who knows how this pick will work out 2-3 years from now, but I think it's unfair to classify it as an automatic faliure because the kid played football, too.

voodoochile
06-10-2009, 10:57 AM
Owens never had power potential, so I wouldn't liken mlb's scouting report to that of his. The only similarities between the two are that they are both fast and played football. And it is not uncommon for college baseball players to have also played some other sport. And just because they did, doesn't mean that they aren't WAY better at baseball.

Who knows how this pick will work out 2-3 years from now, but I think it's unfair to classify it as an automatic faliure because the kid played football, too.

Frank Thomas comes immediately to mind...

jabrch
06-10-2009, 11:17 AM
Frank Thomas comes immediately to mind...

So does Bo Jackson...So does Dave Winfield...and there are many more.

Malgar 12
06-10-2009, 11:21 AM
So does Bo Jackson...So does Dave Winfield...and there are many more.

I get your point but Bo Jackson won the Heisman Trophy. He was an excellent football player.

TDog
06-10-2009, 11:46 AM
I get your point but Bo Jackson won the Heisman Trophy. He was an excellent football player.

But if Bo Jackson had never played any football or give it up while in college as Frank Thomas did, he could have had an incredible baseball career -- not with the White Sox, of course, but incredible nonetheless.

I've seen a lot of draft with a lot of potential. I've seen a lot of them not make it. Actually very few make it. There were people in the Twins organization who wondered if Denard Span would ever make it, and apparently he has.

The best you can do is look for potential and tools. Regardless of the organization a player is in, it really depends on the player to work to develop his potential. You can't predict such things on draft day.

Nutriaitch
06-10-2009, 09:55 PM
Greetings White Sox fans.

Long time LSU baseball fan here. Stopped by to see what y'all were saying about Mitchell.

Make no mistake about it, this pick is based purely on potential and upside.
JMitch tends to struggle (kinda ugly sometimes) against lefties, but is pretty steady against righties. Showed lots of improvement this year, and once he commits 100% to baseball, he may improve even quicker.
He could probably step right in as a big league defender right away.
Lots of speed on the basepaths (he scored from 1st on a routine single to right this year), but sometimes has too much trust in his speed, and takes chances he shouldn't.

Best of Luck to y'all with this pick, I'm really rooting for this kid.

Nutriaitch
06-23-2009, 11:34 AM
Mitchell had a pretty big hit for LSU last night.

2 run triple in the 6th to tie the game.
Came off UT's best lefty reliever. Before that, J Mitch had struggled against lefties.

Nutriaitch
06-25-2009, 09:24 AM
Jared Mitchell was named "Most Outstanding Player" for the College World Series.

Good luck to him in his pro career. Hope he turns out to be a great player for y'all

asindc
06-25-2009, 10:29 AM
Saw Mitchell's post-game interview. Upon being asked about his HR, he broke down the AB in a rather analytical way, which gave me the impression that he might be a real student of the game. I'm hoping for a Beckham-like rise through the system.