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DirtySox
06-08-2009, 10:40 PM
Tomorrow June 9th at 5 PM Central is the 2009 First Year Player Draft. The first day includes round one, the supplemental round, round two, and round three. All of the rounds listed above will be broadcast on MLB network; and MLB.com will have a live stream as well. The rest of the draft will continue Wednesday and Thursday through 50 rounds. (Though the majority of players of interest will be long gone by then.)

The White Sox possess 5 picks in the first 3 rounds thanks to OC declining arbitration last year:

1st Round: Pick #23
Supplemental Round: Pick #38
2nd Round: Pick #61
2nd Round: Pick #71
3rd Round: Pick #102

Picks 23 and 71 could be intriguing, as it has been stated that the White Sox have been looking at riskier but higher upside players for these picks because a failure to sign a player drafted here would lead to a compensation pick in a similar spot the following year to make up for not signing said player.

On the flipside, expect safer and signable picks at 38 and 61, as compensation picks from losing players to free agency (OC), are not replaced the following year if a team fails to sign players selected here.

This year's draft is decidely average overall. After the first ten picks or so, the talent level drops considerably to a very even playing field. Because of this, first round picks should vary considerably. Supplemental talent by one team might be viewed as first round talent by another and vice versa. Also, this year's crop of position players is very weak, and the majority of the first few rounds should be dominated by pitching selections.

Baseball America has a list of it's top 200 prospects with stats, sorted by pitching or position players. You may view 1-100 here (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/draft-preview/2009/268178.html), and 101 - 200 here. (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/draft-preview/2009/268180.html)


2009 MLB Draft Order:

1st Round:

1. Washington Nationals
2. Seattle Mariners
3. San Diego Padres
4. Pittsburgh Pirates
5. Baltimore Orioles
6. San Francisco Giants
7. Atlanta Braves
8. Cincinnati Reds
9. Detroit Tigers
10. Washington Nationals (for Aaron Crow)
11. Colorado Rockies
12. Kansas City Royals
13. Oakland Athletics
14. Texas Rangers
15. Cleveland Indians
16. Arizona Diamondbacks
17. Arizona Diamondbacks (from Dodgers)
18. Florida Marlins
19. St. Louis Cardinals
20. Toronto Blue Jays
21. Houston Astros
22. Minnesota Twins
23. Chicago White Sox
24. Los Angeles Angels (from Mets)
25. Los Angeles Angels (from Yankees)
26. Milwaukee Brewers
27. Seattle Mariners (from Phillies)
28. Boston Red Sox
29. New York Yankees (for Gerrit Cole)
30. Tampa Bay Rays
31. Chicago Cubs
32. Colorado Rockies (from Angels)

Supplemental First Round:

33) Mariners
34) Rockies
35) Diamondbacks
36) Dodgers
37) Blue Jays
38) White Sox
39) Brewers
40) Angels
41) Diamondbacks
42) Angels
43) Reds
44) Rangers
45) Diamondbacks
46) Twins
47) Brewers
48) Angels
49) Pirates

Second Round:

50) Nationals
51) Mariners
52) Padres
53) Pirates
54) Orioles
55) Giants
56) Dodgers
57) Reds
58) Tigers
59) Rockies
60) Diamondbacks
61) White Sox
62) Rangers
63) Indians
64) Diamondbacks
65) Dodgers
66) Marlins
67) Cardinals
68) Blue Jays
69) Astros
70) Twins
71) White Sox
72) Mets
73) Brewers
74) Brewers
75) Phillies
76) Yankees
77) Red Sox
78) Rays
79) Cubs
80) Angels

Third Round:

81) Nationals
82) Mariners
83) Padres
84) Pirates
85) Orioles
86) Giants
87) Braves
88) Reds
89) Tigers
90) Rockies
91) Royals
92) Athletics
93) Rangers
94) Indians
95) Diamondbacks
96) Dodgers
97) Marlins
98) Cardinals
99) Blue Jays
100) Astros
101) Twins
102) White Sox
103) Mets
104) Blue Jays
105) Brewers
106) Phillies
107) Red Sox
108) Rays
109) Cubs
110) Angels
111) Astros

DSpivack
06-08-2009, 10:49 PM
Serious but dumb question:

So if this draft is Rule IV, and the preseason non 40-man roster draft is Rule V, are there Rules I-III drafts? :scratch:

DirtySox
06-08-2009, 10:49 PM
Unsure if this should be in Minor Observations or Sox Clubhouse. Mods feel free to move it to the correct location if it isn't there currently.

DirtySox
06-08-2009, 10:51 PM
Serious but dumb question:

So if this draft is Rule IV, and the preseason non 40-man roster draft is Rule V, are there Rules I-III drafts? :scratch:

Unsure. I know I've read the answer to this question a few times before but it hasn't stuck.

DirtySox
06-08-2009, 11:59 PM
One can see video draft reports of prospects here (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp) under the drop down menu in the upper left corner.

Sox scouting director Doug Laumann has indicated that they will be taking the BPA (as they should), but some current organizational needs are pitching, catching, and the desire for toolsy athletic leadoff types.

Some names that are being thrown around by mock drafts, Sox scouts, and players that fit the orgnizational mold are as follows:

(Many of these players could be 1st round picks, but there are also a few that will slot into supplemental and beyond.)

-Everett Williams (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=williams) OF
-Tim Wheeler (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=twheeler) OF
-Michael Trout (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=trout) OF
-AJ Pollock (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=pollock) OF
-Jared Mitchell (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=mitchell) OF
-Jason Kipnis (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=kipnis) OF
-Brett Jackson (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=bjackson) OF
-Reymond Fuentes OF

-Alex Wilson (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=wilson) P
-Ben Tootle (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=tootle) P
-Tyler Skaggs (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=skaggs) P
-Mike Minor (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=minor) P
-Chad Jenkins (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=cjenkins) P
-Chad James (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=james) P
-Matt Hobgood (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=hobgood)P
-Sam Dyson (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=dyson) P
-Rex Brothers (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=brothers) P
-Eric Arnett (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=arnett) P
-Drew Storen (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=storen) P
-Kyle Heckathorn (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=heckathorn) P

-Max Stassi (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=stassi) C
-Diego Seastrunk (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=seastrunk) C
-Tony Sanchez (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=sanchez) C
-Josh Phegley (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=phegley) C
-Cameron Garfield (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=garfield) C
-Luke Bailey (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=bailey) C

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 10:00 AM
BA's Mock 4.0 is up, and we are continued to be linked to Everett Williams. I think I would prefer Trout but he seems to be asking for alot of money.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/mock-draft/2009/268312.html

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 12:56 PM
Reportedly, many many first round prep players have increased their signing demands at the last minute. We might see alot of high school talent fall for signability demands with college players moving up in the first round.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 01:01 PM
Goldstein's final mock has us taking Everett Williams as well.

Big D
06-09-2009, 01:12 PM
Reportedly, many many first round prep players have increased their signing demands at the last minute. We might see alot of high school talent fall for signability demands with college players moving up in the first round.

Good thing we're a big market team that can affor . . . oh wait, we don't draft Scott Boras clients. Nevermind.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 01:15 PM
Good thing we're a big market team that can affor . . . oh wait, we don't draft Scott Boras clients. Nevermind.

It's not only the Boras clients. I would be surprised if we pick a player wanting alot of money, but there is a small possibility.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 01:16 PM
Mayo's Final Mock (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090609&content_id=5222572&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

Has us taking Everett Williams.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 02:08 PM
Keith Law's final mock has us taking Rex Brothers.

palehozenychicty
06-09-2009, 03:35 PM
Keith Law's final mock has us taking Rex Brothers.

That would be a steal. I think the Sox need to get more refined position players. That is the team's biggest weakness right now.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 04:26 PM
That would be a steal. I think the Sox need to get more refined position players. That is the team's biggest weakness right now.

We've got good future options at C, SS (if you count Beckham), 1B, 3B (x2), and CF. I'd much rather stock up on arms.

DumpJerry
06-09-2009, 04:42 PM
It would be fun to read this thread in six years as one or two of the names listed may be big time studs (Longoria) and laugh at how some of the names turned into Cade McNown...

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 04:59 PM
Law doesn't have Scheppers or Crow in his first round mock due to the amount of money they are seeking. This seems to be the trend with alot of players. The Sox could potentially get a steal at 23 if they are willing to pay for it.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 05:16 PM
Apparently as rumored, the Pirates have a predraft deal with Catcher Tony Sanchez with the number 4 pick. This is obviously a large overdraft, but it is done with intention of being able to throw a large sum of money at Sano once the International Free Agent signing period opens.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 05:18 PM
With the draft 40 minutes away, the first 8 picks are rather solidified due to increased asking prices by alot of prep players. Of course anything can change, but these are the projected picks.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=974

1. Nationals: San Diego State righthander Stephen Strasburg.
2. Mariners: North Carolina first baseman Dustin Ackley.
3. Padres: Georgia HS outfielder Donavan Tate.
4. Pirates: Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez.
5. Orioles: California HS righthander Matt Hobgood.
6. Giants: Georgia HS righthander Zack Wheeler.
7. Braves: Vanderbilt lefthander Mike Minor.
8. Reds: North Carolina righhander Alex White.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 05:35 PM
If you don't get MLB Network because your cable provider is garbage like mine, you may watch it here (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/draftlive_app.jsp).

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 05:43 PM
Can the Sox have a really good chance at getting one of these 2 guys.
Aaron Crow or Kyle Gibson. I think it would be a steal at the number #23 spot. Taking Kyle Gibson with the #23 pick would be much better and maybe a safer pick.

Craig Grebeck
06-09-2009, 05:45 PM
Can the Sox have a really good chance at getting one of these 2 guys.
Aaron Crow or Kyle Gibson. I think it would be a steal at the number #23 spot. Taking Kyle Gibson with the #23 pick would be much better and maybe a safer pick.
What is safe about a (stress) fractured arm?

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 05:46 PM
Can the Sox have a really good chance at getting one of these 2 guys.
Aaron Crow or Kyle Gibson. I think it would be a steal at the number #23 spot. Taking Kyle Gibson with the #23 pick would be much better and maybe a safer pick.

Gibson would be a top 10 pick without question if he hadn't suffered a stress fracture in his forearm. He might drop out of the first round altogether, but a team with a bevy of picks might take the risk and nab him, see how he recoups and then sign him if pleased by the results by the signing deadline. Crow might fall because of the money he is seeking, but I doubt he would last to 23.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 05:48 PM
What is safe about a (stress) fractured arm?
I meant signing wise.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 06:45 PM
Zero surprises thus far. MLB networks coverage is nice, all business without the flash and I suppose the excitement and (good) hype the NFL drafts have. Kind of dull, but very nice information and relevant conversations s far.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 06:46 PM
Zero surprises thus far. MLB networks coverage is nice, all business without the flash and I suppose the excitement and (good) hype the NFL drafts have. Kind of dull, but very nice information and relevant conversations s far.

Yep. Things will liven up once we get past the top 10. Matzek/Miller/Leake will likely go 9th with Storen going 10th as an overdraft.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 06:50 PM
That is a bit of a surprise by the Reds. I thought White would have been a perfect fit.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 06:51 PM
ASU!

I personally think it's too high for him, as he's more of the solid mid rounder with possible #3 starter upside, but then again I'm not a pro scout.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 06:53 PM
This might make things easier for Detroit's decision. Evidently they have been mulling over some expensive choices (Matzek/Turner) and some cheaper ones (Miller). They might just take White as BPA.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 06:58 PM
Does Washington go for White falling to them, or an overdraft to compensate for the enormous amount of money they have to pay Strasburg?

Sockinchisox
06-09-2009, 07:02 PM
Does Washington go for White falling to them, or an overdraft to compensate for the enormous amount of money they have to pay Strasburg?

Nope, went with Storen.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:02 PM
Tyler Matzek, Alex White, Aaron Crow are still available. Do the Sox have money to spend on prospects?

EDIT: Tyler just went to the Rockies

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:04 PM
Colorado probably didn't think Matzek would fall to them. Great pick for them imo. Hope they are ready to open up the wallet though.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:07 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Royals nab Grant Green or maybe White finally gets picked.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:08 PM
I'm starting to think that Alex White might fall all the way
to the late round of the 1st round.

DSpivack
06-09-2009, 07:08 PM
Crow to KC.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 07:08 PM
Damn, Crow's in our division.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:09 PM
It's nice to see some of these hard to sign picks by smaller market teams. I don't like them all falling to Boston/NY etc. Good for baseball.

DSpivack
06-09-2009, 07:10 PM
It's nice to see some of these hard to sign picks by smaller market teams. I don't like them all falling to Boston/NY etc. Good for baseball.

Will Crow be an 'easier' sign since he was already in the draft last year?

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:11 PM
Will Crow be an 'easier' sign since he was already in the draft last year?

Yep. I also believe he grew up around KC. Hometown pick I think.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:13 PM
That was rather predictable. Oakland wanted Tate or Green. I'm not very high on him though.

DSpivack
06-09-2009, 07:14 PM
Yep. I also believe he grew up around KC. Hometown pick I think.

Just googled him. Grew up near Topeka, KS.

EDIT: Same HS at former Sox OF Ken Berry, FWIW.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:15 PM
Shelby Miller has to be coming next for the Rangers. Backyard pick.

Purke might also be a possibility. He wants Porcello money though.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:18 PM
I think Cleveland takes White. Pretty sure a college arm goes here. Arnett or Brothers are also possibilities.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:21 PM
I think Cleveland takes White.
Yeah I think so. They need pitching bad

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:23 PM
Time for a position player to go off the board with one of Arizona's pick. Borchering or Wheeler maybe? Pollock perhaps?

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:25 PM
Time for a position player to go off the board with one of Arizona's pick. Borchering or Wheeler maybe? Pollock perhaps?
Bobby Borchering should go here with one of these picks

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:26 PM
I would suspect a college arm with one of the picks as well.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:28 PM
I would suspect a college arm with one of the picks as well.
I'm going to say Chad Jenkins here

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:29 PM
Good pick for AZ. I like Borchering alot.

I would guess Brothers or Arnett next.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:32 PM
Didn't see two position players going there. The Cubs front office just started crying though.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:33 PM
Didn't see two position players going there. The Cubs front office just started crying though.
Bad second pick by AZ

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:34 PM
Not sure who could go here. They like prepsters in Florida. Maybe Trout, Williams, Mier or James?

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:40 PM
Miller will go to the Cards evidently. Brothers will probably go to the Jays.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:44 PM
I hope the Sox can get Jacob Turner with the #23 pick

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:45 PM
I hope the Sox can get Jacob Turner with the #23 pick

Turner went 9th to the Tigers.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:46 PM
Damn. I liked Jenkins.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:46 PM
Turner went 9th to the Tigers.
I need a pen and
paper LOL

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:47 PM
The Astros are connected to Mier, but Tim Wheeler could go here too.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 07:48 PM
Will the Sox make another Rick Porcello esque Blunder this year? Scheppers has a real chance to fall to them, and would be a complete steal there. The Question is are we willing to pay him, which we don't do in drafts.

Harry Chappas
06-09-2009, 07:48 PM
On my way home from work. Anyone know if I can watch it on Comcast cable?

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:50 PM
Will the Sox make another Rick Porcello esque Blunder this year? Scheppers has a real chance to fall to them, and would be a complete steal there. The Question is are we willing to pay him, which we don't do in drafts.

I would love it if we picked him, but I don't see it happening. Not gonna get upset about it though.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:50 PM
On my way home from work. Anyone know if I can watch it on Comcast cable?
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/draftlive_app.jsp
watch it here

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:50 PM
On my way home from work. Anyone know if I can watch it on Comcast cable?

If you have MLB Network. You can watch it on MLB.com as well.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 07:51 PM
I would love it if we picked him, but I don't see it happening. Not gonna get upset about it though.

Its been my biggest complaint on the Sox is we draft so cheap. It is bad enough we watch Porcello on Detroit, but Scheppers would be a kick in the pants to pass on him and watch him work out.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:52 PM
The Sox are looking to have many options. Alot of college arms will still be there depending on who the Twins take.

-Brothers
-Arnett
-Paxton
-Scheppers
-Gibson if they don't mind the risk.

The toolsy outfielders are there too.

-Williams
-Trout
-Wheeler
-Mitchell

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:52 PM
Maybe Rex Brothers as much I hate the name Rex. This would be a solid pick

Ditka v. God
06-09-2009, 07:52 PM
Looks like we have a good shot at Brothers with our pick. Scheppers is tempting but with every other team passing on him makes me a little nervous.

Regardless, we are going to get a quality arm at #23 and probably a good prep OF speedster at #38. :cheers:

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:53 PM
OK lets get ready:gulp:

102605
06-09-2009, 07:54 PM
How about Kentrail Davis. Tough sign but a ton of talent.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 07:54 PM
Looks like we have a good shot at Brothers with our pick. Scheppers is tempting but with every other team passing on him makes me a little nervous.

Regardless, we are going to get a quality arm at #23 and probably a good prep OF speedster at #38. :cheers:
True, but Scheppers is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brothers. It is like Porcello vs Poreda all over again, ahhhhhhhhh

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:55 PM
Wow. Big risk. I hope he doesn't get better in time to sign. May he have a long fruitful career in another division a year later.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 07:55 PM
Well, I knew he was going soon even with the stress fracture. Twins got a top 5-10 player right there.

Ditka v. God
06-09-2009, 07:56 PM
Wow! A.L. Central has gotten a lot tougher just after the first round alone. Crow, White, now Gibson.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:57 PM
The White Sox said it would take the best available player.
Lets see if this is true

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:57 PM
I'm guessing Mitchell or Wheeler is our pick.

gogosox16
06-09-2009, 07:57 PM
Wow! A.L. Central has gotten a lot tougher just after the first round alone. Crow, White, now Gibson.
They have to pan out first, before they even make a difference

munchman33
06-09-2009, 07:58 PM
If we're serious about improving the organizational talent, there's no way we pass on Scheppers.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:58 PM
If we're serious about improving the organizational talent, there's no way we pass on Scheppers.


/shrug

don't hold your breath.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 07:59 PM
Booooo!!!!!!

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 07:59 PM
Meh.

Ditka v. God
06-09-2009, 08:00 PM
KW has an obsession...

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:00 PM
I like Mitchell for the record, but not sure at 23.

SoxSpeed22
06-09-2009, 08:00 PM
Nice upside with Jared Mitchell. He has the athletic ability to be a great player. There are still some things in his swing to work on, but if he gets coached up well, he could be great.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 08:00 PM
Ugh...baseball isn't even his best sport.

102605
06-09-2009, 08:00 PM
RB was the final piece we needed for the White Sox football squad.

Big D
06-09-2009, 08:01 PM
Another football player. Between Mitchell and Fields, we've got a hell of a football team here.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:01 PM
Pitching and a catcher will be taken in the next few rounds.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 08:01 PM
Nice upside with Jared Mitchell. He has the athletic ability to be a great player. There are still some things in his swing to work on, but if he gets coached up well, he could be great.

Yeah, he would have been a nice pickup with our next pick.

Jjav829
06-09-2009, 08:01 PM
* Obligatory joke about Mitchell playing WR and the Bears needing a WR. *

DSpivack
06-09-2009, 08:02 PM
Another football player. Between Mitchell and Fields, we've got a hell of a football team here.

Too bad Owens is gone.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 08:02 PM
Jared Mitchell (OF)**

A pure athlete. Mitchell was a back-up WR on LSU's football team. Here is the deal with Mitchell. He is very toolsy, but extremely raw for a college player. The plate discipline is still developing and his swing is inconsisent. This young outfielder, however, will be a roto god if his bat is even half-way decent and gets his bat in a major league lineup. Why? He has electric wheels (35 SBs in 2009). Honestly, if power and plate discipline keeping developing, this kid will be the steal of the draft. Mitchell needs to sell me on his bat. Many compare him to Carl Crawford. Yeah, you will all be scooping him up now.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 08:02 PM
We pass up the guy ranked between 4 and 8 in terms of most talented players in the draft to take an OF who most scouting services perdict won't be a very good hitter (grades out a 40-45 on the projection scales) in terms of average *

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:02 PM
Goldstein:

White Sox take Jared Mitchell from LSU. Thatís upside, and thatís up the middle. You just watch his video and youíd think he was a top 10 guy. Love, love, love this pick.

PeoriaSoxFan
06-09-2009, 08:03 PM
Another football player. Between Mitchell and Fields, we've got a hell of a football team here.
Don't forget Clayton Richard also.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 08:03 PM
Man, I really wanted an arm there, but we got some truly outstanding upside. To be honest, I really did not want Mitchell because of the huge boom or bust, but I suppose I can appreciate the risk taking.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 08:04 PM
I like Mitchell for the record, but not sure at 23.
He is only 20 years old

Big D
06-09-2009, 08:05 PM
At least it beats picking a college pitcher with the upside of a 5th starter.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:05 PM
He is only 20 years old

23 as in the 23rd pick.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 08:06 PM
Mitchell had a shot to be there at our comp slot, maybe we get really lucky and Scheppers falls, but I doubt it

PeoriaSoxFan
06-09-2009, 08:12 PM
Apparently, there are a lot of scouts in here with a lot of expertise. I am looking at an MLB mock draft, showing our pic, predicted at 21. Meanwhile, this Scheppers phenom is predicted at 27, with noted great stuff but possible shoulder concerns. This draft was touted as one with a lot of similar players, after the #1 pick. So, I am not sure how anyone could be too upset with the pick.

soxnut1018
06-09-2009, 08:13 PM
Why don't the Sox just draft another tight end?

DSpivack
06-09-2009, 08:14 PM
Baseball America had the Sox taking Mitchell at 23. Good call.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 08:14 PM
I'm just hoping we grab one of the rawer power arms in the comp rounds like Heckathorn or Paxton perhaps.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:16 PM
I'm just hoping we grab one of the rawer power arms in the comp rounds like Heckathorn or Paxton perhaps.

I want Skaggs if he is available.

Harry Chappas
06-09-2009, 08:19 PM
Apparently, there are a lot of scouts in here with a lot of expertise. I am looking at an MLB mock draft, showing our pic, predicted at 21. Meanwhile, this Scheppers phenom is predicted at 27, with noted great stuff but possible shoulder concerns. This draft was touted as one with a lot of similar players, after the #1 pick. So, I am not sure how anyone could be too upset with the pick.

They're upset because they are typical Sox fans - and I mean that in a good way.

I've yet to hear/read any of the so-called experts that even remotely questioned this pick much less pan it.

We've been complaining about the gaping hole we have in CF and somehow this pick was bad?

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:21 PM
This is a hell of a lot better than our "safe" picks of years past. No more Broadways and McCullochs please. Ever.

Frater Perdurabo
06-09-2009, 08:22 PM
Well, I don't know anything about this guy or about amateur baseball generally.

I'll just say that I hope the Sox drafted this guy because he was ranked as the "best available" player, and that they weren't simply drafting "for need."

That being said, wouldn't it be awesome if the Sox just drafted the next Carl Crawford?

munchman33
06-09-2009, 08:22 PM
They're upset because they are typical Sox fans - and I mean that in a good way.

I've yet to hear/read any of the so-called experts that even remotely questioned this pick much less pan it.

We've been complaining about the gaping hole we have in CF and somehow this pick was bad?

I'm upset because we not only passed up on the top guys on the board, but we took the 3rd best CF left on the board (and a guy who probably would have been there for our next pick).

This move reeks of KW tinkering. I thought we hired a new scouting department to prevent this crap.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:23 PM
That being said, wouldn't it be awesome if the Sox just drafted the next Carl Crawford?

That is one of his comps.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 08:24 PM
That being said, wouldn't it be awesome if the Sox just drafted the next Carl Crawford?

You'd have to teach him how to hit first. Right now, he's Jerry Owens. He has almost no offensive ability as of yet.

Frater Perdurabo
06-09-2009, 08:25 PM
That is one of his comps.

Let's just hope they haven't drafted the next Kenny Williams! :tongue:

munchman33
06-09-2009, 08:26 PM
Let's just hope they haven't drafted the next Kenny Williams! :tongue:

No...but when's our next pick? I think Kenny's got another son we haven't overdrafted yet.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:26 PM
Kevin Goldstein:


17. Jared Mitchell, OF, Louisiana State
The Good: The best college athlete in the draft by a mile; he's made consistent progress at LSU as far as his hitting, especially in developing a more patient approach and finding his power; he's plus-plus runner and a true weapon on the basepaths.
The Bad: He's far more raw than most players out of a major college, with lots of swings and misses in his game; he is not an instinctual outfielder.
In A Perfect World He Becomes: He has true impact potential, but comes with a fair share of risk.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:30 PM
Jason Churchill:

Jason Churchill: Mitchell, a two-sport star at LSU, has one nick in his armor ó strikeouts. Good athlete with plus speed and some power, draw walks and may be able to play center. has arm for right field and his focus on baseball now should help his development.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 08:32 PM
You'd have to teach him how to hit first. Right now, he's Jerry Owens. He has almost no offensive ability as of yet.

Except for the fact that Mitchell's softest hit was likely as hard as anything that ever touched Jerry Owens bat. His offensive ability is there, it's just raw and questionable whether that pure power he's shown develops as his swing shortens.

Also to the person who raised the question about how we can be disappointed after filling a need we've had forever. Well, because you don't draft for need. That's not really why I'm disappointed, but I thought I would answer that question directly.

getonbckthr
06-09-2009, 08:35 PM
So we either drafted Carl Crawford or Corey Patterson?

munchman33
06-09-2009, 08:35 PM
Except for the fact that Mitchell's softest hit was likely as hard as anything that ever touched Jerry Owens bat. His offensive ability is there, it's just raw and questionable whether that pure power he's shown develops as his swing shortens.

Also to the person who raised the question about how we can be disappointed after filling a need we've had forever. Well, because you don't draft for need. That's not really why I'm disappointed, but I thought I would answer that question directly.

You're confident his swing makes contact at the major league level? He's rawer than most high schoolers. If we weren't drafting the best on the board to fill a need, why not draft Trout? At least Trout is a given to wind up in center. Most scouts think Mitchell's a better fit in right (where it's even more of a question whether he'll hit enough for).

Vestigio
06-09-2009, 08:36 PM
Are the comp picks going to be shown? I'm watching the draft on the computer, and they arent showing which teams will be chosing next

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:37 PM
Are the comp picks going to be shown? I'm watching the draft on the computer, and they arent showing which teams will be chosing next

I think so, but I believe there is a 15 minute break between rounds.

DSpivack
06-09-2009, 08:38 PM
This broadcast has gotten pretty annoying, with every pick being deemed 'excellent'.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 08:38 PM
Are the comp picks going to be shown? I'm watching the draft on the computer, and they arent showing which teams will be chosing next
Yes The Sox pick 38th

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:39 PM
This broadcast has gotten pretty annoying, with every pick being deemed 'excellent'.

Agreed. I have it muted and am just checking back periodically.

Big D
06-09-2009, 08:40 PM
This broadcast has gotten pretty annoying, with every pick being deemed 'excellent'.

That's my biggest concern about the MLB Network - no objectivity.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:41 PM
For what it's worth the combo of money and injury potential sure has dropped Scheppers.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 08:41 PM
I knew Wheeler would end up in Colorado. Their first 2 picks have been great imo.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 08:42 PM
You're confident his swing makes contact at the major league level? He's rawer than most high schoolers. If we weren't drafting the best on the board to fill a need, why not draft Trout? At least Trout is a given to wind up in center. Most scouts think Mitchell's a better fit in right (where it's even more of a question whether he'll hit enough for).
I'm also a bit disappointed we drafted such a raw COLLEGE hitter, who's skills at the plate have been likened to that of a upside HS athlete. However, it's a bit harsh to be as mad as you seem to be when you consider his upside. Hell yes it was a gamble, but at 23 a gamble on one of the highest upside players in the draft is not such a bad move.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 08:46 PM
Rex Brothers, Tanner Scheppers, Wil Myers, Max Stassi are still available

munchman33
06-09-2009, 08:46 PM
I'm also a bit disappointed we drafted such a raw COLLEGE hitter, who's skills at the plate have been likened to that of a upside HS athlete. However, it's a bit harsh to be as mad as you seem to be when you consider his upside. Hell yes it was a gamble, but at 23 a gamble on one of the highest upside players in the draft is not such a bad move.

Wheeler and Trout were better CF picks and both on the board. And any number of pitchers were available as a better pick too. Add to that Mitchell would have probably been there at 38...yeah. I'm mad. We might have made the worst selection for our pick in the entire round.

Frater Perdurabo
06-09-2009, 08:46 PM
I'm also a bit disappointed we drafted such a raw COLLEGE hitter, who's skills at the plate have been likened to that of a upside HS athlete. However, it's a bit harsh to be as mad as you seem to be when you consider his upside. Hell yes it was a gamble, but at 23 a gamble on one of the highest upside players in the draft is not such a bad move.

I guess the other thing is that the Sox seem to be pretty good at promoting players on their ability to hit, often promoting players who can't run or play defense. So if he makes it to the big leagues, we already know he'll be able to run and play defense, unlike many players that the Sox tend to promote.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 08:51 PM
Wheeler and Trout were better CF picks and both on the board. And any number of pitchers were available as a better pick too. Add to that Mitchell would have probably been there at 38...yeah. I'm mad. We might have made the worst selection for our pick in the entire round.

Wheeler's not a CF prospect and while I agree on Trout, it's VERY debatable to say they were better picks. Safer, yes, better, we don't know. His upside eclipses either of those guys, so it depends on how you look at the draft. We got our solid college CF prospect last year in Danks, and now we took a shot (that we haven't done in some time) on a huge ceiling athlete for our farm.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 08:54 PM
The thing is, this kid (1) doesn't square up the ball well and (2) isn't projected to be a high average hitter. He could end up better, but he gets graded as a projected 45 (below average) on overall hitting ability potential. That is tough.

IMHO the reason I loved Scheppers there was he was good value. Top 5 talent with a shoulder problem wanting good money, those are the guys who fall to late first. If he is there at 38 and we pass, its because of money.

Mitchell I liked, but in terms of overall talent hes been between 20 and 40 on different lists. I haven't seen Scheppers below the top 15 on any list and in the top 10 on most. He rightfully projects low because he is a tough sign and his shoulder injury

Frater Perdurabo
06-09-2009, 09:01 PM
Is Mitchell the kind of guy who could benefit from really working on his ability to bunt for hits (in addition to working on shortening his swing)?

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:01 PM
Wheeler's not a CF prospect and while I agree on Trout, it's VERY debatable to say they were better picks. Safer, yes, better, we don't know. His upside eclipses either of those guys, so it depends on how you look at the draft. We got our solid college CF prospect last year in Danks, and now we took a shot (that we haven't done in some time) on a huge ceiling athlete for our farm.

Still probably would have been there at 38...

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 09:03 PM
Colorado is killing it this draft.

soxnut1018
06-09-2009, 09:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX4uxtuhPpI

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:06 PM
Well, he's still there...

getonbckthr
06-09-2009, 09:06 PM
Well here go that kid everyone wanted is still there. The pitcher.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 09:07 PM
Man with Paxton and Brothers gone, this is a no brainer isn't it?

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:07 PM
Is this a joke?

KRS1
06-09-2009, 09:09 PM
There's the catcher I wanted in the sup round a few days ago, but that was under the assumption we went pitcher in the first. Really wanted Heckathorn though.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 09:09 PM
I like Phegley, but I want pitching as well.

Fungo
06-09-2009, 09:10 PM
Josh Phegley, C, Indiana U

http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/phegley_josh00.html

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:10 PM
There's the catcher I wanted in the sup round a few days ago, but that was under the assumption we went pitcher in the first. Really wanted Heckathorn though.

Phegley would have been a reach in the second round. Lack of depth this year at catcher doesn't make this a good pick. Especially given...he really doesn't catch that well!

getonbckthr
06-09-2009, 09:11 PM
Maybe its just me but I think you guys need to chill about the no-brainers and is this a joke. Unlike the NFL Draft and to an extent the NBA draft how many of us truly know much about these guys? The other 2 drafts we see extensive coverage about. College baseball isn't as exposed.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 09:11 PM
Bye Skaggs. :(:

ms620
06-09-2009, 09:11 PM
It is humorous to read people bashing picks that they know nothing about other than what they read on web sites.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 09:12 PM
Phegley would have been a reach in the second round. Lack of depth this year at catcher doesn't make this a good pick. Especially given...he really doesn't catch that well!

Yes, he was rated in the 50s by most because there is a strong chance he doesn't catch, but his bat is without a doubt worth the pick, IMHO.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:12 PM
Maybe its just me but I think you guys need to chill about the no-brainers and is this a joke. Unlike the NFL Draft and to an extent the NBA draft how many of us truly know much about these guys? The other 2 drafts we see extensive coverage about. College baseball isn't as exposed.

Make your own thread where picks can't be questioned then. We drafted a catcher who can't catch after drafting a CF who can't make contact. Those of us that care not to drink the kool-aid are concerned.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:13 PM
Yes, he was rated in the 50s by most because there is a strong chance he doesn't catch, but his bat is without a doubt worth the pick, IMHO.

Thinking DH, or is his arm strong enough to play left? He doesn't move well enough for an infield position.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 09:14 PM
We went C, but again passed up better talent, I guess I just don't get it.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 09:14 PM
It is humorous to read people bashing picks that they know nothing about other than what they read on web sites.

It's humorous to me that you make that assumption as a blanket statement. What do assumptions do again?

russ99
06-09-2009, 09:14 PM
Make your own thread where picks can't be questioned then. We drafted a catcher who can't catch after drafting a CF who can't make contact. Those of us that care not to drink the kool-aid are concerned.

Well, since we have good players at both positions ahead of them, Danks and Flowers, we can take our time bringing them through the system.

Besides, the Sox historically have done a much better job drafting good mid-round pitchers than the hyped 1st/supplemental ones.

getonbckthr
06-09-2009, 09:15 PM
Make your own thread where picks can't be questioned then. We drafted a catcher who can't catch after drafting a CF who can't make contact. Those of us that care not to drink the kool-aid are concerned.
How much do you actually know about the kids we picked and the ones we didn't? Because some website told you so? This isn't the Bears passing on Randy Moss or the Bulls trading Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 09:15 PM
Maybe its just me but I think you guys need to chill about the no-brainers and is this a joke. Unlike the NFL Draft and to an extent the NBA draft how many of us truly know much about these guys? The other 2 drafts we see extensive coverage about. College baseball isn't as exposed.

It really isn't hard to follow these high school/college/.indy specs if you want too.

Craig Grebeck
06-09-2009, 09:15 PM
We went C, but again passed up better talent, I guess I just don't get it.
Seems a lot of teams are passing up better talent. Perhaps you don't get it.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:15 PM
Rangers with the biggest steal of the draft.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 09:15 PM
Thinking DH, or is his arm strong enough to play left? He doesn't move well enough for an infield position.

I don't think he has any chance in the OF, but PK proved you don't need great speed or athleticism to play 1b, in fact a ton of guys have.

soxnut1018
06-09-2009, 09:15 PM
Make your own thread where picks can't be questioned then. We drafted a catcher who can't catch after drafting a CF who can't make contact. Those of us that care not to drink the kool-aid are concerned.

Weren't you the one who said D. Rose would be a bust?

Frater Perdurabo
06-09-2009, 09:16 PM
As far as position players, the Sox seem to prefer to draft/trade for prospective DHs and gifted athletes who need to learn to hit. Thank goodness we got Beckham.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:17 PM
I don't think he has any chance in the OF, but PK proved you don't need great speed or athleticism to play 1b, in fact a ton of guys have.

I'm not as big as most on PK at first, as he has no range whatsoever. Ideally, I'd have had him DH the last four years.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 09:17 PM
Weren't you the one who said D. Rose would be a bust?

Leave that stuff (and the **** it brings) out of this thread please.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:18 PM
Weren't you the one who said D. Rose would be a bust?

Epic bust, I believe it was. :cool:

KRS1
06-09-2009, 09:18 PM
I'm not as big as most on PK at first, as he has no range whatsoever. Ideally, I'd have had him DH the last four years.

He fields HIS zone as well as any, though. Note I said "his zone."

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 09:19 PM
Also my problem is Mostly Scheppers would have jumped to the top pitching prospect in our system. He would have had the chance to be a number 1 starter, that kind of potential. Mitchell has a chance to be special but he is as risky as it gets. I guess I am more of a best player available guy then a worry about signability and need guy. The Sox don't like to spend big in the draft, we all know this, I just do not agree with it.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:19 PM
He fields HIS zone as well as any, though. Note I said "his zone."

I'm not sure what you mean by "his zone" by my assumption is the area from his left hand to his right hand. :D:

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 09:21 PM
"I am ridiculously excited to join the White Sox," -- Jared Mitchell
InsideTheSox 6 minutes ago
He just tweeted

Scouting director Doug Laumann calls Mitchell "high ceiling, athletic type of player" and the "best player on the board."
InsideTheSox 26 seconds ago

KRS1
06-09-2009, 09:22 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by "his zone" by my assumption is the area from his left hand to his right hand. :D:

:)

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:22 PM
Also my problem is Mostly Scheppers would have jumped to the top pitching prospect in our system. He would have had the chance to be a number 1 starter, that kind of potential. Mitchell has a chance to be special but he is as risky as it gets. I guess I am more of a best player available guy then a worry about signability and need guy. The Sox don't like to spend big in the draft, we all know this, I just do not agree with it.

I'm with you Dome. Scheppers injury risk vs. reward was a significantly better option than Mitchell's risk of never learning to hit vs. reward.

Signability was not as big a deal as most might have thought. He isn't sitting out another year, and we'd get another first round pick next year if he didn't.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 09:24 PM
Seems a lot of teams are passing up better talent. Perhaps you don't get it.

All about $$$$$$$

russ99
06-09-2009, 09:27 PM
I'm with you Dome. Scheppers injury risk vs. reward was a significantly better option than Mitchell's risk of never learning to hit vs. reward.

Signability was not as big a deal as most might have thought. He isn't sitting out another year, and we'd get another first round pick next year if he didn't.

While you have a point about the Sox record of spending on first round picks, personally I'd rather take Mitchell's overall athletic level and his exceptional speed over a pitcher that's already coming in hurt.

Had the Sox system been as poor as it was 2 years ago, that would be a different story, but we have a lot of good players that can help us in the system the next few years while Mitchell works on getting his hitting to a more acceptable level.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 09:29 PM
My draft tracker is broken and won't update. Where are we at?

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:30 PM
While you have a point about the Sox record of spending on first round picks, personally I'd rather take Mitchell's overall athletic level and his exceptional speed over a pitcher that's already coming in hurt.

Had the Sox system been as poor as it was 2 years ago, that would be a different story, but we have a lot of good players that can help us in the system the next few years while Mitchell works on getting his hitting to a more acceptable level.

Scheppers is not hurt. He WAS hurt. The kid threw 98 late in a game last week.

Mitchell's offensive upside seems more like a Mike Cameron than what people are hoping he becomes. And once again...he won't be a CF! Most scouts predict he'll have to play right.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 09:33 PM
What can you do, I heard the same crap when we took Poreda over Porcello that I was a fool. Sometimes you have to be willing to spend to have a good farm. I mean, look at how pathetic our farm is that we, as Sox fans, are so excited over having what, the 15th-20th best farm in baseball? Then we reach twice to improve it? Fans are calling last year the best draft in recent years while most experts agree after Beckham it was just average. I had hoped Buddy Bell here would change the way we do things, but Jerry still controls the money, which handcuffs you.

getonbckthr
06-09-2009, 09:34 PM
Scheppers is not hurt. He WAS hurt. The kid threw 98 late in a game last week.

Mitchell's offensive upside seems more like a Mike Cameron than what people are hoping he becomes. And once again...he won't be a CF! Most scouts predict he'll have to play right.
If he can become Mike Cameron with a little better average I will gladly take it. 25 hrs/27 SB's and gold glove defense.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:38 PM
If he can become Mike Cameron with a little better average I will gladly take it. 25 hrs/27 SB's and gold glove defense.

I said Mike offensively...he doesn't project as a good CF. But even in right...sure, that could work. Just not for where we took him compared to a lot of other guys available.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:39 PM
Well...hmmm.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 09:40 PM
Are we allowed to draft pitching?

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:40 PM
Are we allowed to draft pitching?

I liked that pick better than Mitchell.

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 09:40 PM
http://baseballbeginnings.com/2009/05/26/trayce-thompson-report/

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 09:41 PM
I liked that pick better than Mitchell.

I don't dislike the pick, but it baffles me how we haven't drafted 1 arm yet.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:42 PM
I don't dislike the pick, but it baffles me how we haven't drafted 1 arm yet.

It's obviously not a priority. That's the only thing I can think of.

Ditka v. God
06-09-2009, 09:43 PM
I like this pick here, but this just emphasizes why I'm so perplexed/disappointed by the Mitchell pick at 23. If we knew that there were going to be a number of toolsy project OFs available in the 40-60 picks, why reach for a guy with the same amount of question marks in the first round?

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:43 PM
I like this pick here, but this just emphasizes why I'm so perplexed/disappointed by the Mitchell pick at 23. If we knew that there were going to be a number of toolsy project OFs available in the 40-60 picks, why reach for a guy with the same amount of question marks in the first round?

You're preaching to the choir.

Not to mention the rest of those projects are two years younger.

getonbckthr
06-09-2009, 09:45 PM
Maybe they feel the pitching talent doesn't differ much from each other and the hitting talent does. Who knows all I can do is trust Kenny and Buddy and the guys.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 09:46 PM
Is Keyvius Sampson still on the board?

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 09:49 PM
I wonder where Ruben Sierra JR will go. Some scouts think he is as good as Raymond Fuentes

Ditka v. God
06-09-2009, 09:49 PM
The only reason I can think of why we're avoiding pitchers early would be that Kenny has a deal in place for a top-flight SP (maybe revisiting the Peavy trade?) centered around our position prospects.

This is pure speculation obviously, but it's amazing that we've passed on so many pitching prospects so far.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:49 PM
Maybe they feel the pitching talent doesn't differ much from each other and the hitting talent does. Who knows all I can do is trust Kenny and Buddy and the guys.

If you want a power arm, they're all gone by the third round. If you're drafting position players that early, you don't draft projects.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:52 PM
Hey, a pitcher!

gr8mexico
06-09-2009, 09:53 PM
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090427/ARTICLE/904271037?Title=Pirates-David-Holmberg-mows-down-batters

DSpivack
06-09-2009, 09:53 PM
Draft tracker isn't working and I'm switching between NBA and NHL Finals.

Anyone care to post who we pick with scouting reports? Thanks.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 09:54 PM
What's with us and the finesse lefties?

UofCSoxFan
06-09-2009, 09:59 PM
For all those bitching about how we haven't gone after pitching, who's the last stud pitcher we have drafted? Buerhle? Or ability to draft position players and trade them for established starting pitching has worked pretty well under the Kenny Williams era. Unlike the NFL, a lot of these draft picks won't ever play for the Sox, even if they do make the majors.

Fungo
06-09-2009, 09:59 PM
Second Round Pick 61

TRAYCE THOMPSON, OF, SANTA MARGARITA HS


Thompson is the son of Mychal Thompson, the former NBA star who played on several Los Angeles Lakers NBA championship clubs in the 1980s, and the bloodlines show. A 6-foot-4, 200-pound outfielder, Thompson has terrific bat speed, and his future power potential is exciting. He has a great frame that's both athletic and projectable, and his arm strength is impressive. The primary drawbacks are his instincts and feel for the game. He has the look of a player who is relatively new to baseball and is still learning the basics. He often hesitates in the outfield and won't attempt to throw out runners trying to advance, or will defer to other fielders on balls hit in the gaps. Thompson generates terrific bat speed, but his swing is long on the back end and his timing is affected by his habit of pulling out his front side too quickly. Thompson's selection in this draft would be made on potential alone. If he goes to UCLA, develops his skills and gains experience, he would likely be a much higher pick in 2012.

getonbckthr
06-09-2009, 09:59 PM
Something I noticed about the 2 CF'rs we grabbed. Both guys are multi-sport athletes who have recently committed solely to baseball. I assume in the Sox mind if they would have committed sooner they would have been top of the draft prospects.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 09:59 PM
Know nothing about Thompson, but it looks like another tools projection pick as his stats aren't impressive whatsoever.

As for Holmberg, another upside projectable pick. Had a very good run at the end of the season, and Sickles seems to like him quite a bit more than most.

Frater Perdurabo
06-09-2009, 10:00 PM
What's with us and the finesse lefties?

Stick with what you know?

I'm hoping my one-year-old son becomes a left-handed pitcher. He can have himself a nice MLB career if he can throw 80 MPH with pinpoint control. That's my retirement plan anyway.

Fungo
06-09-2009, 10:00 PM
Second Round Pick 71

DAVID HOLMBERG, LHP, PORT CHARLOTTE HS


Florida's recruiting class includes the nation's top two prep lefties in Holmberg, who led the state in strikeouts as a junior, and Patrick Schuster, who threw four no-hitters this spring. Holmberg is teammates with Ricky Knapp, the son of Tigers pitching coach Rick Knapp, and the elder Knapp has helped Holmberg along the way with everything from conditioning drills to advice on the draft process. Thanks to his size and pro approach, Holmberg surpasses Schuster as the better pro prospect thanks. He's all of 6-foot-4 if not a bit taller and has a big frame, easily capable of carrying 225 pounds or so. His fastball has improved over the past year, sitting at 87-88 mph and at times hitting 90. His secondary stuff is his current calling card, and depending on the day he showed both a plus changeup and a curveball with 12-to-6 break and depth. Some scouts even like his slider better than his curveball, but the key is he throws all four for strikes. Holmberg was considered a difficult sign thanks to his Florida commitment, strong academic background and lack of present fastball velocity. However, he has the talent to go in the first five rounds to a team that believes his fastball will become an average-to-plus pitch.

AzureJazzMan
06-09-2009, 10:00 PM
I cannot believe they have passed up all this pitching...This is so beyond disappointing and the first pitcher they pick...ugh

getonbckthr
06-09-2009, 10:03 PM
Northside just loves their LSU UTIL IF don't they?

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 10:04 PM
kevin goldstein (6:42:45 pm pt): Trayce thompson to the white sox in the second round is a fascinating pick. His father was the no. 1 pick in the nba draft in 1978, and his upside ranks with anyone in the draft based on his athleticism, but heís still very very raw and thinks he can turn into an elite pick with three years at ucla.

kg

Big D
06-09-2009, 10:06 PM
Do they overpay to sign Thompson? Sounds like the kid might be able to make more money in a few years by going to college.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 10:07 PM
Do they overpay to sign Thompson? Sounds like the kid might be able to make more money in a few years by going to college.

They will have to if they want him signed.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 10:08 PM
For all those bitching about how we haven't gone after pitching, who's the last stud pitcher we have drafted? Buerhle? Or ability to draft position players and trade them for established starting pitching has worked pretty well under the Kenny Williams era. Unlike the NFL, a lot of these draft picks won't ever play for the Sox, even if they do make the majors.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy when you consistently pass up high end pitching talent and power arms for projects and safe signs. Poreda was the first power arm we took in I don't know how long, and even he wasn't the best arm on the board.

Hitmen77
06-09-2009, 10:12 PM
It is humorous to read people bashing picks that they know nothing about other than what they read on web sites.

:welcome: - this place is loaded with experts.


....actually, it's just the same posters repeating their gripes over and over again.

UofCSoxFan
06-09-2009, 10:13 PM
It's a self fulfilling prophecy when you consistently pass up high end pitching talent and power arms for projects and safe signs. Poreda was the first power arm we took in I don't know how long, and even he wasn't the best arm on the board.

We've taken plenty of pitchers in the first few rounds that have turned into duds. Such talent was considered "high-end" at the time.

To me its the means to the same end. The Sox would rather pay for already established pitching talent with prospects than grow their own pitching. I'm not saying its right or wrong but it appears to be their clear philosophy. It really isn't too suprising given the fact that this organization won't give a starter more than a 3 year contract due to injury concerns.

PeoriaSoxFan
06-09-2009, 10:13 PM
Make your own thread where picks can't be questioned then. We drafted a catcher who can't catch after drafting a CF who can't make contact. Those of us that care not to drink the kool-aid are concerned.

He can't make contact? He has an avg. above 300 a good OBP and 8 HRs.

AzureJazzMan
06-09-2009, 10:14 PM
I am absolutely baffled as to WHY they constantly pick "multiple sport" athletes... Seriously, why not pick someone who's sole focus has been on the sport they plan top make a career of...you know baseball. :angry:

munchman33
06-09-2009, 10:15 PM
We've taken plenty of pitchers in the first few rounds that have turned into duds. Such talent was considered "high-end" at the time.

To me its the means to the same end. The Sox would rather pay for already established pitching talent with prospects than grow their own pitching. I'm not saying its right or wrong but it appears to be their clear philosophy. It really isn't too suprising given the fact that this organization won't give a starter more than a 3 year contract due to injury concerns.

Who? Honel? McCullough? Broadway? We took safe, cheap signs instead of talent. Just because you're drafted in the first round doesn't make you a good draft pick. We picked poorly, because we were cheap.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 10:16 PM
He can't make contact? He has an avg. above 300 a good OBP and 8 HRs.

Read the scouting reports. He's got holes in his swing, and will have to change his plate approach drastically to hit in the majors.

The Tom
06-09-2009, 10:19 PM
It's a self fulfilling prophecy when you consistently pass up high end pitching talent and power arms for projects and safe signs. Poreda was the first power arm we took in I don't know how long, and even he wasn't the best arm on the board.

Dude, have you checked out the numbers on "power arms" vs. position players going back over the history of the draft? No matter what time period you look at, high pick pitchers fail at an extremely high rate. So why not load up on position players, who have a much higher success ratio, and allow them to develop to the point where they can either help the big club or bring in an established power arm.

I don't even neccessarily disagree with you. I think Scheppers was the pick in the second round, I don't like the soft-tosser (scouts seem to doubt he'll develop much more velocity), and there's certainly something to be said for stock-piling power arms and hoping a few of them work out. Although, the White Sox used that philosophy when they had the No. 1 system in the league, and none of those guys really worked out.

With the way KW wheels and deals, I think it makes sense to develop position players and then use them in trades to help the big club.

UofCSoxFan
06-09-2009, 10:20 PM
Who? Honel? McCullough? Broadway? We took safe, cheap signs instead of talent. Just because you're drafted in the first round doesn't make you a good draft pick. We picked poorly, because we were cheap.

Give me a break. Those guys you listed were all going in the next round if we didn't take them. You make it sound like we're taking DIII pitchers with our first picks just so we don't have to pay them.

This team is not cheap. They may not want to pay unproven high schoolers a lot of money (how dumb of them) but they are not cheap. Over the past decade this team has consistently been in the upper echelon in terms of payroll.

There's a difference between being smart with how you invest your money and just spending blindly, even if it means you miss out a player here and there.

And for what its worth Honel threw in the mid-ninties in high school before he hurt his arm. I know as I faced him. He was hardly a "safe" pick.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 10:20 PM
Dude, have you checked out the numbers on "power arms" vs. position players going back over the history of the draft? No matter what time period you look at, high pick pitchers fail at an extremely high rate. So why not load up on position players, who have a much higher success ratio, and allow them to develop to the point where they can either help the big club or bring in an established power arm.

I don't even neccessarily disagree with you. I think Scheppers was the pick in the second round, I don't like the soft-tosser (scouts seem to doubt he'll develop much more velocity), and there's certainly something to be said for stock-piling power arms and hoping a few of them work out. Although, the White Sox used that philosophy when they had the No. 1 system in the league, and none of those guys really worked out.

With the way KW wheels and deals, I think it makes sense to develop position players and then use them in trades to help the big club.

Minor league power arms are the most valued trade commodity in baseball. If for no other reason, that makes it the right pick.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 10:21 PM
Give me a break. Those guys you listed were all going in the next round if we didn't take them. You make it sound like we're taking DIII pitchers with our first picks just so we don't have to pay them.

This team is not cheap. They may not want to pay unproven high schoolers a lot of money (how dumb of them) but they are not cheap. Over the past decade this team has consistently been in the upper echelon in terms of payroll.

There's a difference between being smart with how you invest your money and just spending blindly, even if it means you miss out a player here and there.

SO...it's not the White Sox fault we don't develop arms we draft, even though other teams with different draft philosophies seem to. Right... :?:

UofCSoxFan
06-09-2009, 10:25 PM
SO...it's not the White Sox fault we don't develop arms we draft, even though other teams with different draft philosophies seem to. Right... :?:

It speaks to the total crapshoot that is the draft. You seem to fail to comprehend this. As has been stated, pitchers have an extremely high fail rate compared to position players. What is the difference between developing your own pitching or developing your own position talent and trading it for guys like Vazquez or Danks, or Floyd?

Its a means to the same end. Its not like we are "passing" on our picks here. You don't get points for developing your own pitchers.

The Tom
06-09-2009, 10:26 PM
Minor league power arms are the most valued trade commodity in baseball. If for no other reason, that makes it the right pick.

Right, but power bats have also been the center of more than a few blockbusters, and they develop at a higher rate. Like I said, I'm not thrilled with this draft, but it hasn't been bad enough to warrant your ranting. It's all a crapshoot anyway, why not wait and see how all these guys develop?

UofCSoxFan
06-09-2009, 10:27 PM
Minor league power arms are the most valued trade commodity in baseball. If for no other reason, that makes it the right pick.

I'd say proven major league ready talent is the most valuable trade commodity.

Explain to me how Kenny Williams has been one of the most active GMs despite, in your words, never drafting power arms. Why would anyone want to trade with him if your thesis were true?

getonbckthr
06-09-2009, 10:27 PM
Nothing personal Munch but i'll trust the judgement of people that are paid to make these decisions than not. Hopefully you are very very wrong haha.:cool:

jabrch
06-09-2009, 10:28 PM
It is humorous to read people bashing picks that they know nothing about other than what they read on web sites.

Welcome to WSI. Humorous isn't the word I'd use - but it does apply.

UofCSoxFan
06-09-2009, 10:29 PM
And don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled about this draft, but then again other than last year I have been indifferent to most White Sox drafts. One thing I am confident of, however, is we aren't totally screwing ourselves for the future, which you seem to think is happening.

BadBobbyJenks
06-09-2009, 10:29 PM
Make your own thread where picks can't be questioned then. We drafted a catcher who can't catch after drafting a CF who can't make contact. Those of us that care not to drink the kool-aid are concerned.

The only thing I have read on that catcher is that he is great defensively, but cant hit.

Whats the consensus on him?

Edit: Disregard I was reading Baron's report

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 10:30 PM
The only thing I have read on that catcher is that he is great defensively, but cant hit.

Whats the consensus on him?

Other way around on the catcher. Kinda like Flowers-Lite.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 10:32 PM
It speaks to the total crapshoot that is the draft. You seem to fail to comprehend this. As has been stated, pitchers have an extremely high fail rate compared to position players. What is the difference between developing your own pitching or developing your own position talent and trading it for guys like Vazquez or Danks, or Floyd?

Its a means to the same end. Its not like we are "passing" on our picks here. You don't get points for developing your own pitchers.

Broadway, McCullough, and Honel produced nothing though. That's the point. Draft a REAL arm for once, instead of the guy you can sign. I'm not saying the draft isn't a crapshoot. But it is important, and you can't make big trades with the kinds of first round picks based on safe signs. You minimize your chances.

And if you think this team isn't cheap when it comes to draft picks, then why didn't we pick Porcello two years ago? He was leaps and bounds better than Poreda, has always been predicted to be, and is still better than Poreda. If we weren't cheap, Porcello would be near the top of our rotation right now.

getonbckthr
06-09-2009, 10:33 PM
It appears Phegley (sp) is intelligent though. He is already calling his own games. I don't know about his arm but defense can be improved with determination and hard work.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 10:35 PM
I'd say proven major league ready talent is the most valuable trade commodity.

Explain to me how Kenny Williams has been one of the most active GMs despite, in your words, never drafting power arms. Why would anyone want to trade with him if your thesis were true?

I missed that Roy Halladay trade we must have made.

Kenny's active, but the Peavy deal was the first truly blockbuster trade almost made from guys his scouts drafted. And it was built on a power arm.

Britt Burns
06-09-2009, 10:36 PM
I like the Phegley pick. Mitchell...not so much. I would be real interested to see if there has ever been a college player who struck out 30% of the time have a successful major league career.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 10:37 PM
Best pick we made all day right here. Hard throwing lefty. Pay no attention to his numbers...the stuff is great.

BleacherBandit
06-09-2009, 10:37 PM
Is it just me, or should the White Sox be pursuing players with working fundamentals instead of all around "good athletes", like Mitchell?

Although you want a fast player with good natural abilities, I'd argue that you want to get players who know how to lay down bunts, hit for average, and be versitile.

The Sox despirately need more players that can do the little things.

You can correct me and tell me that no player like that exists out of the first-year draft because I don't know much about this the MLB draft.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 10:38 PM
I like the Mitchell and Trayce Thompson picks. Unsure on Holmberg. Phegley I'm rather indifferent to. I really hope we get Thompson signed.

rdivaldi
06-09-2009, 10:40 PM
We drafted a catcher who can't catch

Phegley would have been a reach in the second round. Lack of depth this year at catcher doesn't make this a good pick. Especially given...he really doesn't catch that well!

What??? Really, if you're going to bitch up a storm, know what you're talking about first. I watched Indiana baseball all Big 10 season, to say he "can't catch" is absurd. My worry is his swing, has a big uppercut to it.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 10:41 PM
Sickels is really high on Mitchell apparently. He was his pick for his Twins Shadow Draft.

rdivaldi
06-09-2009, 10:42 PM
Fans are calling last year the best draft in recent years while most experts agree after Beckham it was just average.

What??? Who are these "experts". People are raving about some of our later picks. Good Lord some of you make up **** just to complain.

KRS1
06-09-2009, 10:42 PM
Best pick we made all day right here. Hard throwing lefty. Pay no attention to his numbers...the stuff is great.

Indeed, that slurve of his is filthy. Hopefully his arm is fresh and ready to be stretched out in the minors, though he could be fast-tracked with his FB-Slurve 1-2 knockout punchpotential.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 10:46 PM
Reading up on Morgado, I like.

At least we might be getting more pitching prospects in trades if we continue to play the way we have been. :(:

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 10:53 PM
Give me a break. Those guys you listed were all going in the next round if we didn't take them. You make it sound like we're taking DIII pitchers with our first picks just so we don't have to pay them.

This team is not cheap. They may not want to pay unproven high schoolers a lot of money (how dumb of them) but they are not cheap. Over the past decade this team has consistently been in the upper echelon in terms of payroll.

There's a difference between being smart with how you invest your money and just spending blindly, even if it means you miss out a player here and there.

And for what its worth Honel threw in the mid-ninties in high school before he hurt his arm. I know as I faced him. He was hardly a "safe" pick.

when it comes to the draft the White Sox are consistently as cheap as they come. IIRC we haven't spent in the top 20 on draft signings in a long time, and we average spending like 22nd in baseball. Ever since Borchard we draft like a small tiny market, and it as pretty much burned us.

munchman33
06-09-2009, 10:54 PM
What??? Really, if you're going to bitch up a storm, know what you're talking about first. I watched Indiana baseball all Big 10 season, to say he "can't catch" is absurd. My worry is his swing, has a big uppercut to it.

Ignoring every scouting resource disagreeing with you, even the guys on the broadcast said he isn't likely to be a catcher due to defensive deficiency...

PeoriaSoxFan
06-09-2009, 10:54 PM
Not to fuel the fire of how bad some say we draft, but is Kenny's son on any of our minor league rosters? I know he was taken in the 6th last year.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 10:55 PM
What??? Who are these "experts". People are raving about some of our later picks. Good Lord some of you make up **** just to complain.

I am on my Iphone right now so I can't link, but I will see tonight if I can find some of the stuff guys like Keith Law have said. I know some people hate him, and I don't think he is THE BEST, but overall we had a GOOD draft because of Beckham but an average draft after him.

Britt Burns
06-09-2009, 10:56 PM
Morgado in 2009:
ERA W-L IPS H R ER BB K
6.36 4-2 52.1 55 44 37 36 75

Well, let's hope that past performance is no indicator of future success.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 10:58 PM
Morgado in 2009:
ERA W-L IPS H R ER BB K
6.36 4-2 52.1 55 44 37 36 75

Well, let's hope that past performance is no indicator of future success.

Command seems to be his problem. There might be some mechanical issues to be cleaned up. Could be a starter if groomed properly, or could be a power lefty out of the pen.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=morgado

Bryan Smith (7:42:24 PM PT): Bryan Morgado is sort of born from the same thinking that Dexter Carter was last year for the White Sox. Good stuff, sort of a mess in college, but the Sox are betting they can harness it.

Britt Burns
06-09-2009, 11:02 PM
Command seems to be his problem. There might be some mechanical issues to be cleaned up. Could be a starter if groomed properly, or could be a power lefty out of the pen.



Does the name Wyatt Allen ring a bell?

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 11:04 PM
Does the name Wyatt Allen ring a bell?

Nope

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 11:04 PM
Morgado is a kid I like a lot. He has some dirty stuff. Even if he can't put it together as a starter, if he can handle his control and spot his pitches a little more, he can replace Jenks in years (although I still believe Poreda will take that role if we keep hiim).

A pitcher I hope we take a long look at early tomorrow is Josh Spece from ASU. I know the kid doesn't have much on his fastball but he is the Australian Mark Buehrle. He can locate his pitches very well, his beaking stuff is amazing, he is crafty and he just knows HOW TO PITCH.

UofCSoxFan
06-09-2009, 11:08 PM
when it comes to the draft the White Sox are consistently as cheap as they come. IIRC we haven't spent in the top 20 on draft signings in a long time, and we average spending like 22nd in baseball. Ever since Borchard we draft like a small tiny market, and it as pretty much burned us.

If you and Munchman don't understand my post I can't help you. I don't disagree that we don't spend much on DRAFT PICKS. OVERALL we are not cheap however. Spending big money on unproven talent is hardly a simple recipe for success. One person's cheapness is another person wisely devoting money to proven talent vs. shots in the dark.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 11:08 PM
Nope

He was our First round pick in I think 2001 or 2002, also a Vol IIRC, same kind of backgroun (big arm, electric stuff, poor control), ended up a bust never made the show.

Britt Burns
06-09-2009, 11:10 PM
Nope

Drafted #39 overall by the Sox out of Tennessee in '01. Here was his line junior season:

10-3 6.32 ERA 104 IPS 109 H 59 BB 110 K

He was a hard thrower (albeit a righty) who didn't have much success in college and...didn't have any success in pro ball. Reminds me a lot of Morgado.

UofCSoxFan
06-09-2009, 11:11 PM
Broadway, McCullough, and Honel produced nothing though. That's the point. Draft a REAL arm for once, instead of the guy you can sign. I'm not saying the draft isn't a crapshoot. But it is important, and you can't make big trades with the kinds of first round picks based on safe signs. You minimize your chances.

And if you think this team isn't cheap when it comes to draft picks, then why didn't we pick Porcello two years ago? He was leaps and bounds better than Poreda, has always been predicted to be, and is still better than Poreda. If we weren't cheap, Porcello would be near the top of our rotation right now.

Honel was our number 1 prospect before he got hurt. He was a power arm that you drool over. You can't have it both ways. You can't say draft nothing but hard throwers and then caveat it with saying....as long as they don't get hurt.

You've pretty much lost all credibility by showing a complete lack of understanding of what type of player Honel was. He's about as different from Broadway as you can get.

DirtySox
06-09-2009, 11:12 PM
Drafted #39 overall by the Sox out of Tennessee in '01. Here was his line junior season:

1036.321818200104.010978731459110

He was a hard thrower (albeit a righty) who didn't have much success in college and...didn't have any success in pro ball. Reminds me a lot of Morgado.

If the Sox think they can clean him up like Carter, I'm all for it. Should be an interesting player to track.

Domeshot17
06-09-2009, 11:13 PM
If you and Munchman don't understand my post I can't help you. I don't disagree that we don't spend much on DRAFT PICKS. OVERALL we are not cheap however. Spending big money on unproven talent is hardly a simple recipe for success. One person's cheapness is another person wisely devoting money to proven talent vs. shots in the dark.

It is not just about throwing money at unproven talent but knowing who to throw it at. Drafting this CHEAP, and not using money in the draft, is a direct indication of not having faith in your scouting department. If you trusted your scouts when they said this kid is worth X dollars, you just sign him.

I don't so much care when we draft cheap, it just when we blatantly draft signability over talent. I was LIVID a few years ago when we took Poreda over Pocello. Poreda is now a fringe mlb pitcher (currently, Fringe Starter Spec) with below average secondary stuff, Porcello is years younger and having a fine rookie season (6-4 3.98 era would be best in our staff for wins and 2nd in era). Poreda is a good prospect, it isn't a debate if he will pitch in the pros, just if he can be a starter or a reliever. Porcello is looking like a top of the rotation guy. Money and Agent where why we passed. I have that feeling again this year, hopefully I am wrong.

I don't think the Sox should just take who I like best. I preferred Smoak over Beckham last year, both were great picks. Smoak was a tougher sign but really with that talent who cares. But even if both guys Max, would you take some kind of Combo of Carl Crawford/Mike Cameron over a top SP?
Also, would you wisely spend money to sign Porcello, or use that money on Uribe or Erstad?

EDIT: Sorry, I said that really funny. Poreda is not a FRINGE MLB PITCHER FOREVER, just currently he is no lock to be MLB ready. He is a Fringe SP

munchman33
06-09-2009, 11:14 PM
Honel was our number 1 prospect before he got hurt. He was a power arm that you drool over. You can't have it both ways. You can't say draft nothing but hard throwers and then caveat it with saying....as long as they don't get hurt.

You've pretty much lost all credibility by showing a complete lack of understanding of what type of player Honel was. He's about as different from Broadway as you can get.

Honel was decent arm with a good curve and a cheaper sign than more refined picks with better stuff because he was a local kid coming out of high school.