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illini81887
06-04-2009, 07:42 PM
Last 300 game winner for quite awhile

chisoxjtrain
06-04-2009, 07:45 PM
Congrats to him. I really can't see someone doing it for quite some time if ever.

getonbckthr
06-04-2009, 08:28 PM
Mike and Mike were having this discussion. The likely canidates would be Sabathia, Santana and our own Mark Buerhle!

Big D
06-04-2009, 08:34 PM
Mike and Mike were having this discussion. The likely canidates would be Sabathia, Santana and our own Mark Buerhle!

Buerhle's dropped hints about retiring after his current contract is up. I don't actually believe that, buf if someone's talking about retiring when they're 30 it's kind of hard to see them sticking around long enough to win 300 games.

JB98
06-04-2009, 08:40 PM
Congrats to him. I really can't see someone doing it for quite some time if ever.

It will happen again in our lifetimes.

There are only 24 men in MLB history who have accomplished this feat. TEN since 1982. Contrary to popular media belief, 300-game winners are NOT becoming more rare. They have become more common, although it's going to be a few years before we see another one.

I wrote a blog about this just yesterday, and if anyone wants to read more of my arguments, click on the link in my sig. :D:

WhiteSox1989
06-04-2009, 08:53 PM
Congrats to him. I watched the last outs, and was glad to see Juanie.

thomas35forever
06-04-2009, 09:09 PM
He's truly accomplished everything there is to accomplish as a pitcher. Congratulations to him.

DSpivack
06-04-2009, 09:11 PM
Just got back from the game. A very excited 2,000 fans congratulated him!

Congrats to him. I watched the last outs, and was glad to see Juanie.

And Rowand! And MacDougal pitched.

ChiSoxFan81
06-04-2009, 09:21 PM
Congrats to Randy! I do think we will see more 300 game winners, but it will be a long time, since no one else is even close right now that isn't going to retire before 300 (Moyer just got 250).

doublem23
06-04-2009, 09:32 PM
Congrats to him. I really can't see someone doing it for quite some time if ever.

Man, I think I heard someone say this when Glavine, Maddux, and Clemens all did it.

I think Halladay will get there.

doublem23
06-04-2009, 09:35 PM
Buerhle's dropped hints about retiring after his current contract is up. I don't actually believe that, buf if someone's talking about retiring when they're 30 it's kind of hard to see them sticking around long enough to win 300 games.

Buehrle had once said he doesn't plan on playing long enough to win 300, I think I saw some guy made a spreadsheet and based on their current pace of starts per win, Buehrle would need to pitch to 41 to get to 300 (based on 35 starts per season), that was 3rd of the pitchers tested, behind Sabathia and Halladay, I believe.

Craig Grebeck
06-04-2009, 09:41 PM
Man, I think I heard someone say this when Glavine, Maddux, and Clemens all did it.

I think Halladay will get there.
The same Halladay that is sitting on 140 career wins at age 32?

Marqhead
06-04-2009, 10:21 PM
The same Halladay that is sitting on 140 career wins at age 32?

By my count, Johnson had 124 at 33.

Now he went on to play on some really great Dbacks teams, but Halladay isn't on a terrible pace.

doublem23
06-04-2009, 10:55 PM
The same Halladay that is sitting on 140 career wins at age 32?

No, I'm talking about Frank Halladay, who last played in the Michigan League in 1902.

Craig Grebeck
06-04-2009, 11:01 PM
No, I'm talking about Frank Halladay, who last played in the Michigan League in 1902.
I'm just clarifying a pretty bold statement. No need to be snarky.

InKennyWeTrust
06-04-2009, 11:54 PM
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/200906045147372/3

His first victory came at 25. At age thirty, he had only won 64. Amazing.

DSpivack
06-05-2009, 01:46 AM
Also, he began his career with the Montreal Expos.

He won his 300th tonight against the Washington Nationals, who used to be the Expos.

Nellie_Fox
06-05-2009, 02:59 AM
Trends come and go. It is very possible that we could see a return to a four-man rotation and/or pitchers being allowed to pitch deeper into games (like 130-140 pitches) and thus getting more complete games and decisions. If that happens, and I personally believe it will, then there will be 300 game winners again.

It used to be that pitchers had shorter careers, because injuries that are now easily repaired were career enders. Modern sports medicine creates longer careers, big dollars creates the incentive to stick around; a little tweaking in the way pitchers are used is all it will take. Teams will eventually realize that carrying 11 or 12 pitchers is killing them.

waldo_the_wolf
06-05-2009, 04:06 AM
Another guy who I think is a future 300 win candidate is our friend Carlos Zambrano. Who knows, maybe he'll do it as a member of the White Sox.

GoSox2K3
06-05-2009, 08:41 AM
I'm just clarifying a pretty bold statement. No need to be snarky.

Pot, meet kettle.

Hitmen77
06-05-2009, 08:49 AM
Which team do people think Johnson will represent going into the HOF? Seattle or Arizona?

(cue up the teal "Houston" response)

PKalltheway
06-05-2009, 08:59 AM
Which team do people think Johnson will represent going into the HOF? Seattle or Arizona?

(cue up the teal "Houston" response)
I think he'll go in with Arizona. He seemed to do most of his damage with the Diamondbacks. Not discounting his time in Seattle, but he won 4 Cy Youngs with Arizona, threw a perfect game with them, struck out 20 in a game with them, and most importantly, won a championship with them.

downstairs
06-05-2009, 12:37 PM
Also have to compare talent. Sabathia and Halladay vs. a Randy Johnson.

Johnson had 16, 17 and 17 win seasons right after turning 40! And tacked on more wins until age 45! That's what it takes to hit 300. A great, consistent career plus a half decade of "how is this old man still doing this?!?"

It won't happen again in this era. We'll have to wait until an era where pitchers are allowed to go longer, less relief, etc. Which I do see- maybe- in a few decades.

Marqhead
06-05-2009, 12:45 PM
Also have to compare talent. Sabathia and Halladay vs. a Randy Johnson.

Johnson had 16, 17 and 17 win seasons right after turning 40! And tacked on more wins until age 45! That's what it takes to hit 300. A great, consistent career plus a half decade of "how is this old man still doing this?!?"

It won't happen again in this era. We'll have to wait until an era where pitchers are allowed to go longer, less relief, etc. Which I do see- maybe- in a few decades.

I disagree. I think Sabathia is that kind of pitcher. He's got the talent, he's very durable, and he's pitching on the Yankees which means he'll go longer into games and should pick up plenty of wins.

If I had to put money on the next guy to reach 300 it would be Sabathia.

gobears1987
06-05-2009, 01:05 PM
Does he stick around another year for 5,000 k's?

gobears1987
06-05-2009, 01:06 PM
I disagree. I think Sabathia is that kind of pitcher. He's got the talent, he's very durable, and he's pitching on the Yankees which means he'll go longer into games and should pick up plenty of wins.

If I had to put money on the next guy to reach 300 it would be Sabathia.
Sabathia's weight is going to catch up to him and probably lead to major back injuries. See David Wells


Roy Halladay is the next 300 win pitcher

waldo_the_wolf
06-06-2009, 03:49 AM
Another guy who I think is a future 300 win candidate is our friend Carlos Zambrano. Who knows, maybe he'll do it as a member of the White Sox.

Well, scratch that idea. According to mlb.com, he's retiring after 2012.

FarWestChicago
06-06-2009, 06:59 AM
I'm just clarifying a pretty bold statement. No need to be snarky.:scratch: When aren't you snarky?

spawn
06-06-2009, 10:11 AM
I'm just clarifying a pretty bold statement. No need to be snarky.
Well, your clarification of the statement was snarky as well. :shrug:

viagracat
06-07-2009, 11:53 AM
Trends come and go. It is very possible that we could see a return to a four-man rotation and/or pitchers being allowed to pitch deeper into games (like 130-140 pitches) and thus getting more complete games and decisions. If that happens, and I personally believe it will, then there will be 300 game winners again.

It used to be that pitchers had shorter careers, because injuries that are now easily repaired were career enders. Modern sports medicine creates longer careers, big dollars creates the incentive to stick around; a little tweaking in the way pitchers are used is all it will take. Teams will eventually realize that carrying 11 or 12 pitchers is killing them.

That would certainly contradict the trends we've been seeing for at least the past 30 years. I don't think it'll happen anytime soon because I think teams will continue to be afraid of messing up a pitcher they're paying astronomical money for, and relief "specialists" also get paid a ton of money to perform their roles. Also, pitching has changed from since, say, the 60s or 70s with more sliders, cutters and such that can be hard on a pitcher's throwing arm. Pitching has to keep up with today's better hitters.

Juan Marichal once threw 227 pitches in a 16-inning duel with Warren Spahn in a classic 1963 game, and Jim Kaat threw 180 complete games in his career. Those are feats you're not going to see again. No trainer or team physician will ever allow anything like that to happen for the reasons stated above.

Never is a long time, so it's possible that as Nellie said, trends and thoughts can change. And I also beleive there will be more 300 game winners in baseball. But neither will happen for quite awhile.

Nellie_Fox
06-08-2009, 02:11 AM
That would certainly contradict the trends we've been seeing for at least the past 30 years. I don't think it'll happen anytime soon because I think teams will continue to be afraid of messing up a pitcher they're paying astronomical money for, and relief "specialists" also get paid a ton of money to perform their roles. Also, pitching has changed from since, say, the 60s or 70s with more sliders, cutters and such that can be hard on a pitcher's throwing arm. Pitching has to keep up with today's better hitters.

Juan Marichal once threw 227 pitches in a 16-inning duel with Warren Spahn in a classic 1963 game, and Jim Kaat threw 180 complete games in his career. Those are feats you're not going to see again. No trainer or team physician will ever allow anything like that to happen for the reasons stated above.

Never is a long time, so it's possible that as Nellie said, trends and thoughts can change. And I also beleive there will be more 300 game winners in baseball. But neither will happen for quite awhile.Nolan Ryan is trying to push his pitchers to higher pitch counts and more complete games in Texas. If he's successful, there will be changes faster than you can imagine; baseball is very much a "copycat" game. And I truly believe that, as expensive as pitching is, you'll see someone try a four-man rotation with spot starters, just like in the old days, some time soon.

viagracat
06-08-2009, 11:35 AM
Nolan Ryan is trying to push his pitchers to higher pitch counts and more complete games in Texas. If he's successful, there will be changes faster than you can imagine; baseball is very much a "copycat" game. And I truly believe that, as expensive as pitching is, you'll see someone try a four-man rotation with spot starters, just like in the old days, some time soon.

Yes, Ryan would be one to know and if he can pull it off, it could happen. I hope it does. I'm pretty much old-school.

ode to veeck
06-09-2009, 02:00 AM
used to be all the key starters on teams threw 20 or 30 CGs a year, Spahn, Marachal, Fergie Jenkins, Bob Gibson etc, it was expected of the better starting pitchers and leaders of staffs.

Ron Karkovice
06-11-2009, 07:21 PM
"Following 300th Victory, Randy Johnson Returns Healthy Back To Local Man"


http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/following_300th_victory