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Frankie5Angels
06-03-2009, 09:57 PM
670 the score

sunofgold
06-03-2009, 09:58 PM
Betemit DFA
Beckham will play some 3B, SS, and 2B, according to OG!

palehozenychicty
06-03-2009, 09:58 PM
Dag. Well, the Beckham era begins. I guess Fields is gone. :o:

ChiSox89
06-03-2009, 09:58 PM
o yea. i love it.

ChiSoxGirl
06-03-2009, 09:59 PM
I'm stunned. I didn't think there'd be any way he'd see the majors this year, much less before the All-Star Break! I don't know how I feel about this....

tacosalbarojas
06-03-2009, 09:59 PM
Dag. Well, the Beckham era begins. I guess Fields is gone. :o:No. Betemit is gone. Thumbs up.

Quentin4prez
06-03-2009, 09:59 PM
good for him maybe this will be the shot in the side the offense needs so it isn't so up and down

Woofer
06-03-2009, 09:59 PM
Betemit, I wish I never knew thee.

Frankie5Angels
06-03-2009, 10:00 PM
Ozzie is a little bitch. He says he hopes Beckham can save us.

SOXfnNlansing
06-03-2009, 10:00 PM
The kid has earned a shot in the big leagues. Hope he does good.

areilly
06-03-2009, 10:00 PM
I can't wait until he saves Quentin's foot and can throw out runners trying to steal second.

sox1970
06-03-2009, 10:00 PM
Well...so much for the All Star break. :D:

He'll be fine.

areilly
06-03-2009, 10:01 PM
Ozzie is a little bitch. He says he hopes Beckham can save us.

I'm pretty sure that was meant to be taken with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

ChiSox89
06-03-2009, 10:01 PM
i hope he starts friday, i am going to that game. time to buy the beckham jersey

kevingrt
06-03-2009, 10:01 PM
Let the fun begin.

Frankie5Angels
06-03-2009, 10:01 PM
I'm pretty sure that was meant to be taken with a heavy dose of sarcasm.
No it wasn't. I am listenning and he said it with sarcasm.

sunofgold
06-03-2009, 10:02 PM
Oh, well. I guess Thome. haah! PK, you will have to be our Cal Ripken Jr.

DirtySox
06-03-2009, 10:02 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ChiSox89
06-03-2009, 10:03 PM
congrats gordon on the call up!!!!!!!!!

kevingrt
06-03-2009, 10:04 PM
i hope he starts friday, i am going to that game. time to buy the beckham jersey

I mean I think I am going to have to buy tickets and a jersey for the future HOFer's first ball game.

DirtySox
06-03-2009, 10:04 PM
So where does he play? Both 2nd and 3rd?

Also I'm gonna guess he is going with number 6.

areilly
06-03-2009, 10:04 PM
No it wasn't. I am listenning and he said it with sarcasm.

Alright, you lost me. I meant OG's comments were meant to be taken sarcastically, unless we are all to presume a Major League manager thinks a 22-year-old kid can salvage this (or any) team.

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:06 PM
Let the Beckham Era begin! This is the lineup I want (until Quentin returns):

Pods, Alexei, Dye, Thome, PK, AJ, BA, Getz, Beckham (3B)

If Beckham improves like we think he will, flip him with BA.

Noneck
06-03-2009, 10:06 PM
He has to play everyday. He is not being brought up to ride the bench. So where will it be 2nd, SS, or 3rd?

cws05champ
06-03-2009, 10:07 PM
Source?

ChiSox89
06-03-2009, 10:07 PM
this news made my day. quickly made me forget about the loss

Sockinchisox
06-03-2009, 10:08 PM
Sweet!

DirtySox
06-03-2009, 10:08 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/06/beckham-recalled.html

Frankie5Angels
06-03-2009, 10:08 PM
Source?
I made it up out of thin air, and then BOOM, it came true. Can you believe it?

Patrick134
06-03-2009, 10:08 PM
It was a no-brainer. Unlike our current lineup, Beckham can hit AAA pitching well.

maristsox
06-03-2009, 10:08 PM
Alright, you lost me. I meant OG's comments were meant to be taken sarcastically, unless we are all to presume a Major League manager thinks a 22-year-old kid can salvage this (or any) team.


Evan Longoria did a damn good job last year helping the rays

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:08 PM
Source?

Ozzie announced it during his postgame press conference.

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:09 PM
He has to play everyday. He is not being brought up to ride the bench. So where will it be 2nd, SS, or 3rd?

My money's on third.

kevingrt
06-03-2009, 10:09 PM
It was a no-brainer. Unlike our current lineup, Beckham can hit AAA pitching well.

So true. But unfortunately he won't be around for the game tomorrow me thinks.

Frankie5Angels
06-03-2009, 10:09 PM
He has to play everyday. He is not being brought up to ride the bench. So where will it be 2nd, SS, or 3rd?
All of the above. and Ozzie said he will bat 10th.

...
06-03-2009, 10:09 PM
He has to play everyday. He is not being brought up to ride the bench. So where will it be 2nd, SS, or 3rd?

All of them?

GoGoCrede
06-03-2009, 10:10 PM
I made it up out of thin air, and then BOOM, it came true. Can you believe it?

I totally thought you were joking in the other thread!

Wow. This ought to be interesting.

Frankie5Angels
06-03-2009, 10:10 PM
Ozzie sounded pretty disappointed the Betemit was sent down. I hope he doesn't screw Beckham over any.

SoxFan1979
06-03-2009, 10:11 PM
Our savior is here! :D: No pressure on him of course.

Soxfest
06-03-2009, 10:11 PM
Welcome Slayer goodbye WB you were horrid!

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:11 PM
All of them?

I hope not. They need to put him at one position and stick him there. Since Alexei is established and playing great defense at short, I'd put Beckham at third.

voodoochile
06-03-2009, 10:11 PM
Good luck Gordon. Have to believe he'll be playing more 2B than 3B at present, Fields had another solid game tonight even made some good plays in the field. Saved a run, generated another with a great slide into second and had two more hits.

I agree Beckham needs to play if he is going to be up here. Anything else is simply silly.

35th and Shields
06-03-2009, 10:12 PM
All of them?

I bet he'll start at second.

He hasn't showed that he can handle third and with both Nix and Getz hitting sub-par, I think they'll see what he can do there.

...
06-03-2009, 10:12 PM
I hope not. They need to put him at one position and stick him there. Since Alexei is established and playing great defense at short, I'd put Beckham at third.

I agree 100% but, with Ozzie, this probably won't be the case.

Noneck
06-03-2009, 10:12 PM
All of them?

Tough spot to put a kid in, enough pressure already without playing a different position every other day.

RowanDye
06-03-2009, 10:13 PM
All of them?

Ozzie said they would me moving him around 2B, SS, 3B. Specifically said that Fields has been hitting well lately so he will be playing, maybe some at DH.

DaveFeelsRight
06-03-2009, 10:13 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!

KyWhiSoxFan
06-03-2009, 10:13 PM
This is good news. Beckham is going to be very good for a very long time.

...
06-03-2009, 10:15 PM
Somewhere Daver is crapping in his pants.

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:15 PM
Good luck Gordon. Have to believe he'll be playing more 2B than 3B at present, Fields had another solid game tonight even made some good plays in the field. Saved a run, generated another with a great slide into second and had two more hits.

I agree Beckham needs to play if he is going to be up here. Anything else is simply silly.

I would be OK with him at second, but I like Getz more than I like Fields (Getz is better defensively at second than Fields is at third, and Getz is a better contact hitter), so I'd prefer Beckham at third.

Rongey thinks is more likely Beckham will play third in his debut, FWLIW.

soxfandy
06-03-2009, 10:15 PM
Has anybody said when his first game will be? Ill be at the game friday so i am hoping that is when.

cws05champ
06-03-2009, 10:15 PM
This is really unbelievable... in a good way.

voodoochile
06-03-2009, 10:16 PM
I would be OK with him at second, but I like Getz more than I like Fields (Getz is better defensively at second than Fields is at third, and Getz is a better contact hitter), so I'd prefer Beckham at third.

Rongey thinks is more likely Beckham will play third in his debut, FWLIW.

I'd think the more important question would be where Beckham feels the most comfortable. You don't want him thinking all the time. If he's more comfortable at 2B that's where he should play so he can concentrate on his hitting.

Woofer
06-03-2009, 10:16 PM
Fields should be able to play first if Paulie needs a day off. I thought he played there some in spring training, IIRC.

DaveFeelsRight
06-03-2009, 10:17 PM
All of them?Yup. it's very simple. all he needs to do is SOME running

WhiteSox1989
06-03-2009, 10:17 PM
Well, I'm shocked.

What was that Ozzie said a couple weeks ago? Guess we're in trouble then, huh.

Baron
06-03-2009, 10:17 PM
Has anybody said when his first game will be? Ill be at the game friday so i am hoping that is when.

Maybe tommorow...670 the score is saying tommorow

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:17 PM
Ozzie said they would me moving him around 2B, SS, 3B.

If Ozzie screws up Beckham by yanking him all over the field, he should be fired.

sunofgold
06-03-2009, 10:17 PM
Maybe to open up 2nd or 3rd base for Beckham. White Sox looking for another starting pitcher and could use a backup 1st baseman now.

ChiSoxFan81
06-03-2009, 10:18 PM
Somewhere Daver is crapping in his pants.
:whoflungpoo

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:18 PM
I'd think the more important question would be where Beckham feels the most comfortable. You don't want him thinking all the time. If he's more comfortable at 2B that's where he should play so he can concentrate on his hitting.

That's fair. I just don't want Ozzie yanking him all over the field.

johnnyg83
06-03-2009, 10:18 PM
I wonder if they'll give him #6, I thought it was unofficially retired for Charlie Lau.

Rohan
06-03-2009, 10:18 PM
I'd think the more important question would be where Beckham feels the most comfortable. You don't want him thinking all the time. If he's more comfortable at 2B that's where he should play so he can concentrate on his hitting.

I've seen him field... We complain about Fields fielding... Beckham is quite possibly a downgrade on defense.

I don't know how this will work out... I signed him in fantasy anyway :tongue:

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:19 PM
Maybe to open up 2nd or 3rd base for Beckham. White Sox looking for another starting pitcher and could use a backup 1st baseman now.

Fields for Bedard? :tongue:

DaSox_05
06-03-2009, 10:19 PM
Yes!!!!!!

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:21 PM
I've seen him field... We complain about Fields fielding... Beckham is quite possibly a downgrade on defense.

I don't know how this will work out... I signed him in fantasy anyway :tongue:

When you say that you've seen him field, is that throughout his college and minor league career, including his seasons at short? Or just recently, where he has been playing 2B and 3B?

DaveFeelsRight
06-03-2009, 10:22 PM
Is he still going to wear #80?

doublem23
06-03-2009, 10:22 PM
Rushing a prospect and then bouncing him around 3 different positions.

White Sox Player Development. Second to none.

Welcome to the Show, Gordon. I hope you have a nice, long stay.

Noneck
06-03-2009, 10:23 PM
A gem is only a gem after it is cut and polished. Otherwise it is just a rock forever. I hope they know what they are doing.

Big D
06-03-2009, 10:23 PM
I can't think of the last position player to be called up with so few at-bats in the minor leagues. Either he's being rushed or he is one special player. Hopefully it's the latter.

oeo
06-03-2009, 10:23 PM
Rushing a prospect and then bouncing him around 3 different positions.

White Sox Player Development. Second to none.

Welcome to the Show, Gordon. I hope you have a nice, long stay.

The Sox haven't really developed him, he was drafted developed.

Where ever he's playing, he better be in the lineup every night.

DaveFeelsRight
06-03-2009, 10:24 PM
Hope he has the Longoria effect on us.

...
06-03-2009, 10:24 PM
the sox haven't really developed him, he was drafted developed.

Where ever he's playing, he better be in the lineup every night.

+1

ChiSoxFan81
06-03-2009, 10:25 PM
Or better yet, how about Ozzie?

Not to hijack the thread, but who's your replacement?

sullythered
06-03-2009, 10:27 PM
Rushing a prospect and then bouncing him around 3 different positions.

White Sox Player Development. Second to none.

Welcome to the Show, Gordon. I hope you have a nice, long stay.
Meh. There was a thread earlier in the week about how truly great players usually get called up very young. If we're hoping for greatness, this was what probably should happen.

doublem23
06-03-2009, 10:27 PM
The Sox haven't really developed him, he was drafted developed.

Where ever he's playing, he better be in the lineup every night.

:gulp:

Here's to you being right. This is the "new regime's" first real test to see if they know what the hell they're doing. I hope they do. :D:

JB98
06-03-2009, 10:28 PM
Maybe to open up 2nd or 3rd base for Beckham. White Sox looking for another starting pitcher and could use a backup 1st baseman now.

I don't think backup 1B is a major concern. We have so many other issues.

jabrch
06-03-2009, 10:28 PM
Welcome to the bigs GB...Good luck to you!

Tragg
06-03-2009, 10:29 PM
That's fair. I just don't want Ozzie yanking him all over the field.
Good luck with that. Our top prospect is now Ozzie's top utility infielder. Ozzie ball.

I know Betemit was terrible at 3rd, but who's our backup third baseman?

JB98
06-03-2009, 10:29 PM
Good luck with that. Our top prospect is now Ozzie's top utility infielder. Ozzie ball.

I know Betemit was terrible at 3rd, but who's our backup third baseman?

Fields.

DaSox_05
06-03-2009, 10:30 PM
Not sure if anybody posted his stats in the minors for this year but he has been killing it! That's not including a 3 for 5 tonight with 2 doubles!



147 AB's | 44 Hits | 23 R's | 17 2B's | 0 3B's | 4 HR's | 22 RBI's | .299 AVG | .366 OBP | .497 SLG | AA



23 AB's | 11 Hits | 5 R's | 4 2B's | 0 3B's | 0 HR's | 3 RBI's | .435 AVG | .417 OBP | .609 SLG | AAA

doublem23
06-03-2009, 10:30 PM
I know Betemit was terrible at 3rd, but who's our backup third baseman?

Whomever from the Fields/Nix/Beckham trio that's not currently on the field.

Let's not forget Paulie played some 3B in high school, I think. :cool:

kevingrt
06-03-2009, 10:31 PM
Ozzie is classic... on Beckham, "I hope he can save us."

DSpivack
06-03-2009, 10:31 PM
Whomever from the Fields/Nix/Beckham trio that's not currently on the field.

Let's not forget Paulie played some 3B in high school, I think. :cool:

High school? Paulie's first games with the Sox were at 3B, no?

ChiSoxFan81
06-03-2009, 10:31 PM
Whomever from the Fields/Nix/Beckham trio that's not currently on the field.

Let's not forget Paulie played some 3B in high school, I think. :cool:

And when he first came to the Sox, no?

sullythered
06-03-2009, 10:31 PM
Fields.
Well done.

Noneck
06-03-2009, 10:32 PM
High school? Paulie's first games with the Sox were at 3B, no?

Thome started off at 3rd in Clev.

voodoochile
06-03-2009, 10:32 PM
Whomever from the Fields/Nix/Beckham trio that's not currently on the field.

Let's not forget Paulie played some 3B in high school, I think. :cool:

Yeah, this is a non-issue. Both Beckham and Nix can play third. I imagine Fields will get some practice time at 1B and be the backup there.

doublem23
06-03-2009, 10:32 PM
High school? Paulie's first games with the Sox were at 3B, no?

Yeah, I guess he did. He also played some in Los Angeles and Cincinnati before being traded here.

Problem solved. We're like 5 deep at 3B now.

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 10:32 PM
I'm pretty sure that was meant to be taken with a heavy dose of sarcasm.



No. It actually sounds like he's a bit bothered by all the hype.

KW pulls the trigger and Ozzie looks like a moron now.

Filling out the line-up card is going to be interesting going forward.

Brian26
06-03-2009, 10:32 PM
High school? Paulie's first games with the Sox were at 3B, no?

Yes. Opened the 2000 season at 3B too.

ChiSoxFan81
06-03-2009, 10:33 PM
I just got Beckham's travel schedule. For the last leg of the trip, he'll be walking across Lake Michigan.

Mod Edit: BA Reference removed. Original post is in the Roadhouse thread. This part won POTW later so I wanted to return it to the original thread.

ChicagoG19
06-03-2009, 10:34 PM
I hope this kid is as good as advertised. He could definitely be the boost this team needs.

WhiteSox1989
06-03-2009, 10:35 PM
I hope this is just the beginning of changes for this team though. Lets hope Kenny gets us a starting pitcher. And not an old one.

soxfandy
06-03-2009, 10:35 PM
I can't wait to buy my beckham jersey...I'll be at the game friday. Anybody know the going rate for a jersey inside the ballpark nowadays?

oeo
06-03-2009, 10:36 PM
I can't wait to buy my beckham jersey...I'll be at the game friday. Anybody know the going rate for a jersey inside the ballpark nowadays?

No, but I would not buy his rookie jersey, as his number will probably change.

Tragg
06-03-2009, 10:36 PM
Fields.
My bad - I meant who's our backup first baseman with Betemit gone.

I'd rather see Beckham as a middle infielder. His bat is special for a middle infielder.

doublem23
06-03-2009, 10:38 PM
No. It actually sounds like he's a bit bothered by all the hype.

KW pulls the trigger and Ozzie looks like a moron now.

Filling out the line-up card is going to be interesting going forward.

I don't understand how Ozzie looks like a moron? His utility infielder is terrible? His 3B with a career .233 BA coming into this season didn't magically learn how to hit by spending all of last year injured?

Guys were given chances to win regular playing time at the MLB level and they failed, time to move to Plan B.

soxfandy
06-03-2009, 10:39 PM
No, but I would not buy his rookie jersey, as his number will probably change.


If he is number 6 i will buy it. That was his number in college. Anything else and i will wait!!

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 10:39 PM
Rongey *** :scratch:

Get off your high horse.

Why is he ranting?

1989
06-03-2009, 10:39 PM
If Ozzie screws up Beckham by yanking him all over the field, he should be fired.

I agree. And this comes from a huge Ozzie supporter, Beckham needs AB's

DirtySox
06-03-2009, 10:40 PM
If he is number 6 i will buy it. That was his number in college. Anything else and i will wait!!

Wasn't he wearing number 5 in Birmingham? I was curious as to why as I don't think 6 was taken.

JB98
06-03-2009, 10:40 PM
My bad - I meant who's our backup first baseman with Betemit gone.

I'd rather see Beckham as a middle infielder. His bat is special for a middle infielder.

Same answer. Fields.

doublem23
06-03-2009, 10:40 PM
I just got Beckham's travel schedule. For the last leg of the trip, he'll be walking across Lake Michigan.

It hasn't been a week, but I'm sorry, that is too good.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=13&id=3794

thomas35forever
06-03-2009, 10:40 PM
The Sox better be confident this kid is ready because I hope he isn't coming up too soon. As Sox fans, we should know about that.

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:41 PM
I don't understand how Ozzie looks like a moron? His utility infielder is terrible? His 3B with a career .233 BA coming into this season didn't magically learn how to hit by spending all of last year injured?

Guys were given chances to win regular playing time at the MLB level and they failed, time to move to Plan B.

I think Ozzie looks like a moron for playing Betemit at third base, where he amassed a stellar .500 fielding percentage.

Noneck
06-03-2009, 10:41 PM
This situation actually made things real tough for Ozwaldo. Unless there is more coming with this move, I feel for Oz.

soxfandy
06-03-2009, 10:42 PM
Wasn't he wearing number 5 in Birmingham? I was curious as to why as I don't think 6 was taken.

Your right...what was he wearing at charlotte?

WhiteSox1989
06-03-2009, 10:42 PM
I think Ozzie looks like a moron for playing Betemit at third base, where he amassed a stellar .500 fielding percentage.
What else was he suppose to do?

DirtySox
06-03-2009, 10:43 PM
your right...what was he wearing at charlotte?

6

CHISOXFAN13
06-03-2009, 10:43 PM
The Sox better be confident this kid is ready because I hope he isn't coming up too soon. As Sox fans, we should know about that.

The Sox haven't had a proospect of his caliber in 20 years.

Im sure he'll be just fine. The last one worked out OK.

sunofgold
06-03-2009, 10:43 PM
per Cowley on the Score. Fields will be practicing at first. haha! Good luck there.

1989
06-03-2009, 10:44 PM
As for the backups, nix can backup fields at 3rd and fields can backup PK at 1st. Getz is looking like the odd man out unless Beckham plays 3B

ChiSoxFan81
06-03-2009, 10:45 PM
It hasn't been a week, but I'm sorry, that is too good.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=13&id=3794

:wink:

Noneck
06-03-2009, 10:45 PM
per Cowley on the Score. Fields will be practicing at first. haha! Good luck there.
On the job training at the MLB level, not good at all.

doublem23
06-03-2009, 10:46 PM
I think Ozzie looks like a moron for playing Betemit at third base, where he amassed a stellar .500 fielding percentage.

Well, it's not like he stuck him there everyday for months, Betemit only played 6 G at third for the Sox this year, and he only had an error in his last 3 appearances. I know the .500 F% is hilariously pathetic, but it is a very, very small sample size.

oeo
06-03-2009, 10:46 PM
I agree. And this comes from a huge Ozzie supporter, Beckham needs AB's

That's what Ozzie would be doing by 'yanking him all over the field.'

This sounds like a move that was forced from above Ozzie, so what exactly do you want him to do? Relegate one of Fields and Getz to the bench? We're supposed to be getting those guys AB's, too.

sunofgold
06-03-2009, 10:46 PM
Doesn't have to be right away. But, we are going to have to open up a spot for Beckham. Getz or Fields could easily be traded before the deadline. Don't really see Fields or Getz as an utility player.

soxfandy
06-03-2009, 10:46 PM
man i am getting excited...I just looked at his stats in his last year of college and his stats in the minors and all I can say is he needs to be up here. Based on his stats he has never been challenged...this is honestly the most excited ive ever been for a prospect to come up with us

Boondock Saint
06-03-2009, 10:47 PM
per Cowley on the Score. Fields will be practicing at first. haha! Good luck there.

I will be holding my breath when that first Alexei Ramirez throw in the dirt comes Fields' way.

BadBobbyJenks
06-03-2009, 10:47 PM
Question? Not to hijack the thread, but I had tickets to the Tigers game that was rained out a couple of Wednesdays ago can I exchange them at the box office for tomorrow?

oeo
06-03-2009, 10:47 PM
per Cowley on the Score. Fields will be practicing at first. haha! Good luck there.

First base has suddenly become a tough position to learn?

doublem23
06-03-2009, 10:47 PM
That's what Ozzie would be doing by 'yanking him all over the field.'

This sounds like a move that was forced from above Ozzie, so what exactly do you want him to do? Relegate one of Fields and Getz to the bench? We're supposed to be getting those guys AB's, too.

Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Fields on the bench, but I don't know if Beckham can play 3B everyday.

Honestly, KW should just trade Alexei or Getz, if they believe this highly in Gordon, then they may as well let him play at a natural position and see what he can do.

Noneck
06-03-2009, 10:48 PM
The more I ponder this move, this has to be a act of total desperation unless other moves are in the works.

Tragg
06-03-2009, 10:48 PM
I think Ozzie looks like a moron for playing Betemit at third base, where he amassed a stellar .500 fielding percentage.



Mod Edit: I warned you. I only made it a week, but if you continue to hijack threads with BA stuff. I'll make it a LOT longer next time.

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:48 PM
Well, it's not like he stuck him there everyday for months, Betemit only played 6 G at third for the Sox this year, and he only had an error in his last 3 appearances. I know the .500 F% is hilariously pathetic, but it is a very, very small sample size.

Thome, Konerko and Dye would have been a better options at 3B than Betemit.

soxfandy
06-03-2009, 10:49 PM
I think other moves are in the works.

manders_01
06-03-2009, 10:50 PM
I don't like to talk bad about my boys but from the first game I saw Wilson at third during ST, I immediately was not a fan. I am honestly glad to see him go.

I hope Beckham is a great addition to this team! :gulp:

WhiteSox1989
06-03-2009, 10:50 PM
I think other moves are in the works.
I hope.:gulp:

...
06-03-2009, 10:50 PM
The more I ponder this move, this has to be a act of total desperation unless other moves are in the works.

I think you're over thinking it.

doublem23
06-03-2009, 10:51 PM
How does he look for playing Wise in CF, where he amassed a stellar .372 OPS?

You've already been warned once to keep the BA/Wise **** out of this thread.

If you still feel the need to add to that conversation, there's a thread in the Roadhouse for you.

Knock. It. Off.

soxfandy
06-03-2009, 10:51 PM
I hope.:gulp:

They have to be. If beckham does what I think he will. This team is seriously a cf and a sp away from a contender.

anewman35
06-03-2009, 10:51 PM
Question? Not to hijack the thread, but I had tickets to the Tigers game that was rained out a couple of Wednesdays ago can I exchange them at the box office for tomorrow?

No. From an e-mail the Sox sent today:

The White Sox/Tigers game on May 6 was cancelled due to rain and is being made up as part of a day/night doubleheader on June 8. All tickets and parking from May 6 will be honored for the 1:05 p.m. game on June 8 (no exchanges necessary). There will be no exchanges offered for the May 6 game. For further questions, please call 312- 674-1000.

WhiteSox5187
06-03-2009, 10:52 PM
I think that Beckham has all the talent in the world but I'm not so sure if he's ready for the big leagues, as Daver would say the Sox have a long history of rushing guys.

Also, Beckham needs to play every day. Where is going to play? Is Fields going to the bench?

RowanDye
06-03-2009, 10:52 PM
I think other moves are in the works.

It's still Wednesday!

Boondock Saint
06-03-2009, 10:52 PM
I think you're over thinking it.

I agree. The Sox need someone that can hit, and Beckham has done nothing but hit.

JB98
06-03-2009, 10:52 PM
First base has suddenly become a tough position to learn?

Certainly not. The concern about who is going to be the backup first baseman is silly to me.

doublem23
06-03-2009, 10:52 PM
Thome, Konerko and Dye would have been a better options at 3B than Betemit.

No, probably not, since if you believe in F%, Betemit actually had an OK fielding percentage at 3B before this year, and he didn't commit an error for the first few weeks of the season. It's just the last 2 games he's been there he's been terrible.

Whatever, he's a crap utility infielder and now he's gone, no harm, no foul.

PaleHoser
06-03-2009, 10:53 PM
I'd consider putting Ramirez at third and put Beckham at short since Beckham probably be more comfortable there.

JB98
06-03-2009, 10:54 PM
I'd consider putting Ramirez at third and put Beckham at short since Beckham probably be more comfortable there.

Interesting idea, but they won't do that. I think the fact that Beckham was playing 3B at Charlotte is a telltale sign of what their plans are.

chisoxfanatic
06-03-2009, 10:55 PM
This is an immediate upgrade over what we used to have. I am looking forward to seeing what he can do.

soxfandy
06-03-2009, 10:56 PM
Interesting idea, but they won't do that. I think the fact that Beckham was playing 3B at Charlotte is a telltale sign of what their plans are.

Yes...If he wasn't before then josh fields is officially on the trading block as part of a deal to acquire a sp or cf.

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:56 PM
I'd consider putting Ramirez at third and put Beckham at short since Beckham probably be more comfortable there.

But what about Alexei's comfort? He hasn't played a single inning at third, and he has been excellent at short. I really don't want to downgrade our defense at short right now. If Alexei was still hitting around the Mendoza line, then I'd be OK with benching him. But he's heating up with the weather and playing great defense. No need to move him.

RowanDye
06-03-2009, 10:56 PM
No, probably not, since if you believe in F%, Betemit actually had an OK fielding percentage at 3B before this year, and he didn't commit an error for the first few weeks of the season. It's just the last 2 games he's been there he's been terrible.

Whatever, he's a crap utility infielder and now he's gone, no harm, no foul.


Not to criticize Kenny, **** happens, but do the Sox have anything to show for the Swisher trade now?

DirtySox
06-03-2009, 10:57 PM
Nunez maybe. Reliever in AA.

voodoochile
06-03-2009, 10:58 PM
Not to criticize Kenny, **** happens, but do the Sox have anything to show for the Swisher trade now?
Cha Ching... $$$$$

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 10:59 PM
Not to criticize Kenny, **** happens, but do the Sox have anything to show for the Swisher trade now?

Not really.

DSpivack
06-03-2009, 10:59 PM
Not to criticize Kenny, **** happens, but do the Sox have anything to show for the Swisher trade now?

Yes, Swisher is gone.

doublem23
06-03-2009, 10:59 PM
Not to criticize Kenny, **** happens, but do the Sox have anything to show for the Swisher trade now?

Jhonny Nunez is pitching well in Birmingham. The best thing we have to show for the Swisher deal is that we're not paying a dime of his remaining contract. KW admitted it was a mistake, unloaded him, and found someone willing to eat all the money he's owed, especially in an off-season where players much more talented than Swisher were taking deals worth less than his, that was worth its weight in gold, IMO.

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 11:00 PM
Cha Ching... $$$$$

That had that before the first Swisher deal, plus Sweeney, Gio and DLS, all of whom could have been packaged for something else more useful.

psyclonis
06-03-2009, 11:00 PM
Hopefully Kenny will try his hardest to trade Fields and DFA Betemit...

Noneck
06-03-2009, 11:01 PM
I agree. The Sox need someone that can hit, and Beckham has done nothing but hit.

But he also has to play everyday and not a different position everyday. This can't be an experiment where if he hits under his weight for a couple weeks he gets benched or goes back down. I guess you could platoon Getz and Nix at 2nd. Play Beckham at 3rd and more or less let Fields play 3rd once a week and let him spell Thome at DH. The 1st base situation would be PK being the horse he is and tell Thome to find a glove.

sunofgold
06-03-2009, 11:02 PM
Got rid of Swisher who wasn't helping us, saved money, still have Nunez and Marquez, still have time to trade Betemit if we can find a sucker....hahaha!

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 11:02 PM
This is an immediate upgrade over what we used to have. I am looking forward to seeing what he can do.

Congratulations!!!

It took 141 posts for someone to just be happy and take the move as a positive thing for our Sox.


People honestly are acting as if he is coming up here to push Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt to the bench. :rolleyes:

voodoochile
06-03-2009, 11:03 PM
That had that before the first Swisher deal, plus Sweeney, Gio and DLS, all of whom could have been packaged for something else more useful.

Let's not rehash that in this thread. I've already killed one hijack attempt. The reasons that trade was made at the time it was made have been beaten to death. Some people thought it was a good idea some thought not. The players who were traded haven't done squat and anyway, that's hindsight analysis...

Noneck
06-03-2009, 11:03 PM
Cha Ching... $$$$$

That is all it ever was. But at the time, dump, was a swear word here.

soxfandy
06-03-2009, 11:05 PM
Congratulations!!!

It took 141 posts for someone to just be happy and take the move as a positive thing for our Sox.


People honestly are acting as if he is coming up here to push Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt to the bench. :rolleyes:

Thank you...that was my thinking exactly. The bottom line is that he is taking the spot of either getz or fields...neither will be an all star anytime soon.

doublem23
06-03-2009, 11:05 PM
Congratulations!!!

It took 141 posts for someone to just be happy and take the move as a positive thing for our Sox.


People honestly are acting as if he is coming up here to push Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt to the bench. :rolleyes:

I guess you missed Post 4 (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2247925&postcount=4). :dunno:

And at least get the argument right, nobody is concerned over the valuable lost playing time of Fields, Getz, or even Alexei. Some of us have concerns about a guy, less than a year from being drafted being treated as a super utility infielder.

oeo
06-03-2009, 11:06 PM
Congratulations!!!

It took 141 posts for someone to just be happy and take the move as a positive thing for our Sox.


People honestly are acting as if he is coming up here to push Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt to the bench. :rolleyes:

Have you even read the thread? :scratch: Two incorrect statements.

tmill20
06-03-2009, 11:06 PM
Not to criticize Kenny, **** happens, but do the Sox have anything to show for the Swisher trade now?
yeah, the fact that i now am going to have a beckham jersey instead of a swisher!

BadBobbyJenks
06-03-2009, 11:06 PM
Beckham > Getz. Play him at 2b every day with some off days for Fields

canOcorn
06-03-2009, 11:06 PM
Congratulations!!!

It took 141 posts for someone to just be happy and take the move as a positive thing for our Sox.


People honestly are acting as if he is coming up here to push Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt to the bench. :rolleyes:

I'll look at as a positive when Ozzie plays him everyday and he doesn't ride the pine 3 days per week.

sunofgold
06-03-2009, 11:07 PM
I think that he is ready. He could have been on the roster after spring training.

Just trying to figure out where he will play. Guess it is down to 3B, 2B, or both. And then of course, this impacts our players on our team. Mainly affects Getz, Fields, and Nix.

And where does he bat in the order? We are pretty set at 1-6. Do you start him in the nine hole?

oeo
06-03-2009, 11:09 PM
Beckham has the added pressure of being the only positive coming from 2007. We had to suffer to get this guy. :redneck

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 11:10 PM
I think that he is ready. He could have been on the roster after spring training.

Just trying to figure out where he will play. Guess it is down to 3B, 2B, or both. And then of course, this impacts our players on our team. Mainly affects Getz, Fields, and Nix.

And where does he bat in the order? We are pretty set at 1-6. Do you start him in the nine hole?

I put him at third, batting 9. If he keeps hitting anywhere near what he did in Birmingham or Charlotte, move him up to 7 (flip-flop with BA moving down to 9).

sox1970
06-03-2009, 11:11 PM
Beckham has the added pressure of being the only positive coming from 2007. We had to suffer to get this guy. :redneck

A big thank you to Andy Gonzalez!

soxfan21
06-03-2009, 11:11 PM
Beckham > Getz. Play him at 2b every day with some off days for Fields


Agreed, hopefully Beckham plays everyday and Ozzie gives him the AB's that he needs so he can get use to MLB pitching quickly.

skobabe8
06-03-2009, 11:11 PM
Hopefully Kenny will try his hardest to trade Fields and DFA Betemit...

I wish he would have traded Fields after his 27(?) hrs in '07.

I'm excited to see GB.

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 11:12 PM
Beckham > Getz. Play him at 2b every day with some off days for Fields

Getz > Fields. Getz actually plays good defense and makes contact. So I'd like Getz and Beckham on the diamond, and Fields on the bench.

DirtySox
06-03-2009, 11:13 PM
While this is exciting and all, I hope people have their expectations in check. Yes, Becks is the best prospect this system has had in ages, but he is only 22 and will need time to adapt to the Bigs. I highly doubt he is going to produce anywhere near what Longo did last year with Tampa. I'm looking forward to watching him progress in a year where we aren't in a position to be making a world series run. He can get his feet wet this year, and be in a better position to help next year's club which assumedly will be better. Keep expectations realistic and enjoy the show.

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 11:13 PM
Have you even read the thread? :scratch: Two incorrect statements.

It's 90% an entire bitch fest about "Rushing the kid."


Eveyone wants to play the internet baseball scout and yet don't have the slightest clue if he is ready or not.

If Kenny and Co thinkg he's ready, then let's move on.

southsideirish71
06-03-2009, 11:14 PM
Getz > Fields. Getz actually plays good defense and makes contact. So I'd like Getz and Beckham on the diamond, and Fields on the bench.

Beckham had a 90% contact rate in the minors. The only thing you can argue with Getz is defense.

hi im skot
06-03-2009, 11:15 PM
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j146/sschaaf/untitled.jpg

DirtySox
06-03-2009, 11:15 PM
Beckham will be batting 7th or 9th it was said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-04-white-sox-as-chicago-jun04,0,3428827.story

sunofgold
06-03-2009, 11:16 PM
who is better in the long run...Getz or Fields? Fields has been hitting much better lately. If he could find his power stroke again, he would be very valuable. Especially in the future if we are going to lose some power hitters (Thome, Dye and/or Konerko)

Getz has been playing solid defense and a contact hitter. Some speed. A grinder type, I suppose. haha!

Very hard right now to figure out who will be better for this team in the long run (between Fields and Getz). Both have potential.

cards press box
06-03-2009, 11:16 PM
This is an immediate upgrade over what we used to have. I am looking forward to seeing what he can do.

I could not agree more. Tommorrow's game against the A's should be fun.

Yes...If he wasn't before then josh fields is officially on the trading block as part of a deal to acquire a sp or cf.

I'm not so sure about that. Beckham's future is in the middle infield. Is the Sox future 3rd baseman Dayan Viciedo? If so, will Viciedo be ready later this year or perhaps in 2010 or 2011? Maybe the Sox will play Beckham at 3B until Viciedo is ready and then move him to 2B. The Sox just haven't disclosed their long term plans and maybe they don't know themselves.

Not to criticize Kenny, **** happens, but do the Sox have anything to show for the Swisher trade now?

Jhonny Nunez has pitched well in Birmingham. Nunez is 2-0 with 2 saves and a 3.03 ERA in 18 games. He has pitched 32 and 2/3 innings with 15 walks and 28 K's. He has given up 34 hits, though and, thus, has a WHIP of 1.50. Nunez is 23 and has good stuff on the mound. He might be the Sox' best chance to salvage something from the 2nd Swisher deal.

palehozenychicty
06-03-2009, 11:16 PM
If they can get anything for Nix and Getz, then he can slide into second. I still think Getz can be a solid player, but I doubt he'll be better than Beckham. Nix has become what we all believed. A bad baseball player.

JB98
06-03-2009, 11:16 PM
It's 90% an entire bitch fest about "Rushing the kid."


Eveyone wants to play the internet baseball scout and yet don't have the slightest clue if he is ready or not.

If Kenny and Co thinkg he's ready, then let's move on.

I don't have the slightest clue whether he's ready or not, but I'm a little worried about inflated expectations for him. And this organization does have a track record of rushing players.

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 11:16 PM
I guess you missed Post 4 (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2247925&postcount=4). :dunno:

And at least get the argument right, nobody is concerned over the valuable lost playing time of Fields, Getz, or even Alexei. Some of us have concerns about a guy, less than a year from being drafted being treated as a super utility infielder.

Why?

Is this something that has never been done in the history of sports?

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2009, 11:17 PM
Beckham had a 90% contact rate in the minors. The only thing you can argue with Getz is defense.

I think we both agree Beckham belongs on the field. I think our only difference is at who's expense. I'd rather keep Getz at 2B and bench Fields, therefore putting Beckham at third base.

Risk
06-03-2009, 11:17 PM
Some of us have concerns about a guy, less than a year from being drafted being treated as a super utility infielder.



Bingo. Part of me is really psyched about Beckham being called up, but the nagging and persistent worry I have is whether he is being rushed.

Another concern that I have is I know he can rake, but I haven't heard much about his ability to field other than reading the minor league stats which show that he has around 10 errors already in the minors. If some are attributed to learning a new position (3B), I can understand that, but how well did he field his natural position?

Finally, and maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I think that even if Beckham is going to split time at 3B with Fields (so Fields becomes the new backup 1B), he is still going to get more time at 2B or SS then I think a lot of people realize, since TCM has had mental lapses at SS and Getz can't stay healty at 2B. Anyway, though, regardless of where he plays, Beckham couldn't be much worse than Betemit (hopefully...).

Just my $0.02.

Risk

voodoochile
06-03-2009, 11:17 PM
It's 90% an entire bitch fest about "Rushing the kid."


Eveyone wants to play the internet baseball scout and yet don't have the slightest clue if he is ready or not.

If Kenny and Co thinkg he's ready, then let's move on.

You need to re-read it. I think you grabbed a few posts and let them color your perception. I've seen some posts saying they are concerened, but the first few pages are littered with posters expressing happiness that he is here. Then there's a bit of discussion about where he will play, but again not a lot of negativity, just discussion.

I realize perception is reality, but in this case your perception is skewed...

oeo
06-03-2009, 11:17 PM
It's 90% an entire bitch fest about "Rushing the kid."

No it's not. I'd say it's a lot closer to the exact opposite.

Rohan
06-03-2009, 11:18 PM
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j146/sschaaf/untitled.jpg


:rolling::rolling:

DirtySox
06-03-2009, 11:18 PM
No it's not. I'd say it's a lot closer to the exact opposite.

Agreed. This thread seems to be a joyous occasion.

BadBobbyJenks
06-03-2009, 11:18 PM
No. From an e-mail the Sox sent today:


Thanks. I guess I will have to pay to see Jesus tomorrow.

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 11:19 PM
I don't have the slightest clue whether he's ready or not, but I'm a little worried about inflated expectations for him. And this organization does have a track record of rushing players.


I can't name a single guy we "Rushed" up here of the talent level of this kid.

october23sp
06-03-2009, 11:20 PM
Well I hope the hype is real, and I know baseball and I don't expect 2-3 everyday for the hype to be real. I hope he can provide another boost as Pods has.

DSpivack
06-03-2009, 11:20 PM
I can't name a single guy we "Rushed" up here of the talent level of this kid.

Borchard?

BadBobbyJenks
06-03-2009, 11:20 PM
Getz > Fields. Getz actually plays good defense and makes contact. So I'd like Getz and Beckham on the diamond, and Fields on the bench.

I disagree there, I think Getz is a useful bench player, but wont hit enough here.

oeo
06-03-2009, 11:22 PM
I disagree there, I think Getz is a useful bench player, but wont hit enough here.

Useful how, then? He's only played 2B in his career. Maybe he could play some LF (see: Ozuna, Pablo), but I would question his abilities on the left side of the infield.

voodoochile
06-03-2009, 11:22 PM
Borchard?

Borchard spent his first year in the minors and Fall baseball absolutely tearing the cover off the ball no matter what level of pitching he was facing?

The Sox haven't had a guy blow through the minors like this since Buehrle and before that it was Frank...

twinslayer
06-03-2009, 11:23 PM
Go Beckham!!! Sox NEEDED a little change here...just give it a try, I like it!

Britt Burns
06-03-2009, 11:25 PM
Way to go, GB. He certainly earned the promotion. Like a lot of people here I am a little concerned that he is being rushed but that is, at least for the present, academic.

Knock 'em dead at third or second or short or where ever!

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 11:25 PM
Borchard?


Close, but no.


And he wasn't rushed. He spent about 2.5 seasons in the minors.

...
06-03-2009, 11:25 PM
I don't have the slightest clue whether he's ready or not, but I'm a little worried about inflated expectations for him. And this organization does have a track record of rushing players.

Don't forget the betting scandals.

doublem23
06-03-2009, 11:26 PM
Eveyone wants to play the internet baseball scout and yet don't have the slightest clue if he is ready or not.

If Kenny and Co thinkg he's ready, then let's move on.

Again, this is utterly hilarious coming from the same guy who never seems to lack an answer when it comes to things like attendance, payroll, ticket prices, etc.

Sure, some player don't need much time in the minors, but the vast, vast majority of them do, and the numbers are stacked heavily against Beckham given how little time he has spent in the minor leagues. Add the Sox's recent history of ruining prospects by advancing them before they were ready, and yes, you have the recipes for a thread on an internet message board with people hoping for the best, but also preparing for the worst.

ShoelessJoeS
06-03-2009, 11:26 PM
Sweet! On Monday my buddy offered me a ticket to tomorrow's game. Hopefully it's Beckham's ML debut! :gulp:

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 11:26 PM
Borchard spent his first year in the minors and Fall baseball absolutely tearing the cover off the ball no matter what level of pitching he was facing?

The Sox haven't had a guy blow through the minors like this since Buehrle and before that it was Frank...

Right.

Frank is the last ML ready bat I can remember out of any White Sox draft.

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 11:27 PM
Again, this is utterly hilarious coming from the same guy who never seems to lack an answer when it comes to things like attendance, payroll, ticket prices, etc.

Sure, some player don't need much time in the minors, but the vast, vast majority of them do, and the numbers are stacked heavily against Beckham given how little time he has spent in the minor leagues. Add the Sox's recent history of ruining prospects by advancing them before they were ready, and yes, you have the recipes for a thread on an internet message board with people hoping for the best, but also preparing for the worst.


What does this have to do with this thread?

twinslayer
06-03-2009, 11:28 PM
Sweet! On Monday my buddy offered me a ticket to tomorrow's game. Hopefully it's Beckham's ML debut! :gulp:

Amen! Stoked to see him play!

doublem23
06-03-2009, 11:29 PM
What does this have to do with this thread?

You love to call people out for being "internet scouts" and dissing their opinion, but never fail to throw on the "internet accountant" hat and make all sorts of definitive statements about the Sox's financial situation.

You can't have it both ways, you can't be a self-proclaimed e-expert and then ridicule others for doing the same. Unless, of course, you're OK with being hypocritical.

PalehosePlanet
06-03-2009, 11:30 PM
Useful how, then? He's only played 2B in his career. Maybe he could play some LF (see: Ozuna, Pablo), but I would question his abilities on the left side of the infield.

Agreed 100%. If Beckham becomes our everyday 2B then there is no place for Getz on this team.

Nix can play 2B, 3B, and SS as well as a little OF in a pinch. He has some pop in his bat off the bench and can run the bases well and is a better defensive player than Getz. In this scenario he becomes our best utility IF'er.

I'm happy to see Beckham up with the team, but I totally agree with others that he should primarily play one position --- whatever that may be.

DirtySox
06-03-2009, 11:30 PM
The Beckham Era Starts Thursday (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/06/the-gordon-beckham-era-starts-thursday-for-the-white-sox.html)

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 11:31 PM
You love to call people out for being "internet scouts" and dissing their opinion, but never fail to throw on the "internet accountant" hat and make all sorts of definitive statements about the Sox's financial situation.

You can't have it both ways, you can't be a self-proclaimed e-expert and then ridicule others for doing the same. Unless, of course, you're OK with being hypocritical.

Whatever.

Please stick to the topic of the thread.

Chrisaway
06-03-2009, 11:33 PM
Got rid of Swisher who wasn't helping us, saved money, still have Nunez and Marquez, still have time to trade Betemit if we can find a sucker....hahaha!
The Cubs need a 3B.

EMachine10
06-03-2009, 11:33 PM
I'll be at the game Friday, so I hope he's in there. I want to see this kid! Best of luck Gordon! :gulp:

ShoelessJoeS
06-03-2009, 11:34 PM
The Beckham Era Starts Thursday (http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/06/the-gordon-beckham-era-starts-thursday-for-the-white-sox.html)I'll be sitting 22 rows behind home plate! :bandance:

voodoochile
06-03-2009, 11:35 PM
I'll be surprised if Beckham starts tomorrow. He played the entire game tonight in Charlotte which ended at 9:15 Chicago time. Now IF he was packed and ready to go and managed to get a flight out tonight, he wouldn't even land in Chicago until close to Midnight local time. By the time he gets settled it would be almost 2 AM and again, that's IF he was packed and ready to go. If not, it's more likely he doesn't get here until sometime Thursday morning and either way, it's unlikely they throw him in as a starter on short rest like that, IMO.

Of course, I'm just speculating and I wouldn't be shocked if he got the chance to PH and get his feet wet, but I'd think his earliest start would be Friday night...

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 11:36 PM
Agreed 100%. If Beckham becomes our everyday 2B then there is no place for Getz on this team.

Nix can play 2B, 3B, and SS as well as a little OF in a pinch. He has some pop in his bat off the bench and can run the bases well and is a better defensive player than Getz. In this scenario he becomes our best utility IF'er.

I'm happy to see Beckham up with the team, but I totally agree with others that he should primarily play one position --- whatever that may be.

That's the only thing the could be a bit concerning.

They need to find a spot on the field and leave him there.

To me it's a toss up between Getz and Fields finding the bench.

I think the fact that Getz could not find a way to stick somewhere at the top of the order hurst his case more than Fields. But Fields also has not produced the power numbers which are the only aspect of his game worth mentioning.

Guillen has some tought decisions to be made.

If anything, this is GREAT for competition. The team is on notice that they must perform or they will be shipped out.

sunofgold
06-03-2009, 11:37 PM
No reason to wait! haah! Cannot confirm it, but I believe that is what Rongey or Cowley said.

LoveYourSuit
06-03-2009, 11:38 PM
I'll be surprised if Beckham starts tomorrow. He played the entire game tonight in Charlotte which ended at 9:15 Chicago time. Now IF he was packed and ready to go and managed to get a flight out tonight, he wouldn't even land in Chicago until close to Midnight local time. By the time he gets settled it would be almost 2 AM and again, that's IF he was packed and ready to go. If not, it's more likely he doesn't get here until sometime Thursday morning and either way, it's unlikely they throw him in as a starter on short rest like that, IMO.

Of course, I'm just speculating and I wouldn't be shocked if he got the chance to PH and get his feet wet, but I'd think his earliest start would be Friday night...


Maybe there's a chance Kenny made the call on this earlier in the day and told him to be packed and ready at any minute.

But a day game tomorrow sure doesn't help.

voodoochile
06-03-2009, 11:41 PM
Maybe there's a chance Kenny made the call on this earlier in the day and told him to be packed and ready at any minute.

But a day game tomorrow sure doesn't help.

Could be, but I can't see them letting him play tonight if they knew he was heading to Chicago - why risk it? Also the Knights are in the middle of a homestand, so it's not like the players were getting ready to travel.

I just think Friday night is a more realistic timeline for his first start.

sunofgold
06-03-2009, 11:42 PM
Only about 600 miles from Charlotte to Chicago. Not that far. Don't know the plane schedules. But, maybe JR brought out the private jet to be ready to pick him up. hahah!

Noneck
06-03-2009, 11:44 PM
Only about 600 miles from Charlotte to Chicago. Not that far. Don't know the plane schedules. But, maybe JR brought out the private jet to be ready to pick him up. hahah!
No plane needed, Just put on the cape and suit and fly here in minutes.

Big D
06-03-2009, 11:48 PM
Did Beckham play any third in college? Because he's played a grand total of 8 games at third in the minors. I'm actually less concerned about rushing him than I am about constantly moving him around the field. Even if he's already a better fielder at third than Fields, you'd like him to eventually be much better, and that's harder if he can't settle in there.

Tree Hate Me
06-04-2009, 12:06 AM
As someone else said I doubt they give him #6, that's been unofficially retired for Charlie Lau since he passed.

I'd like to see him wear #33 in light of the whole "Who's Harold?" thing from spring training.

getonbckthr
06-04-2009, 12:08 AM
As someone else said I doubt they give him #6, that's been unofficially retired for Charlie Lau since he passed.

I'd like to see him wear #33 in light of the whole "Who's Harold?" thing from spring training.
Isnt that already in the books to be retired for Rowand to go with his statue and picture on the CF wall?

Sorry sorry it was just sitting there waiting to be taken advantage of.

Tree Hate Me
06-04-2009, 12:13 AM
Isnt that already in the books to be retired for Rowand to go with his statue and picture on the CF wall?

Sorry sorry it was just sitting there waiting to be taken advantage of.

Might as well decommision #44 too since he wore that for awhile.

The outfield concourse is going to be wall to wall statues in 30 years. You won't even be able to see the field.

JB98
06-04-2009, 12:20 AM
I can't name a single guy we "Rushed" up here of the talent level of this kid.

That's because they haven't had a kid with this talent level in ages. That doesn't mean they haven't rushed other young players to the big leagues.

Hopefully, Beckham really is ready and it's nothing to worry about. But for me, worrying is part of being a Sox fan. I don't trust anything about the Sox minor-league system. I've had hope for so many players and been burned so often.

KRS1
06-04-2009, 12:34 AM
I'm just going to ignore all the worry about this move and think of Ryan Zimmerman. Leave me alone in my bubble, will ya?

DonnieDarko
06-04-2009, 12:38 AM
Useful how, then? He's only played 2B in his career. Maybe he could play some LF (see: Ozuna, Pablo), but I would question his abilities on the left side of the infield.

I'd like to see Getz (if we still have him in the coming off season) learn to play everywhere on the middle infield. At least with this team, I think that's where his future lies. Assuming that Alexei is the mainstay SS, then I see Beckham at 2B, not 3B.

oeo
06-04-2009, 12:50 AM
I'd like to see Getz (if we still have him in the coming off season) learn to play everywhere on the middle infield. At least with this team, I think that's where his future lies. Assuming that Alexei is the mainstay SS, then I see Beckham at 2B, not 3B.

He can practice, but I don't think he has the tools to play SS or 3B.

sunofgold
06-04-2009, 01:21 AM
White Sox do have Andy Phillips in AAA. They traded for him in April. Wouldn't be surprised to see him up on our team soon to backup at 1st. He has been playing well at AAA.

I know that backup at first base isn't the biggest concern on this team. But, c'mon do you really want Josh Fields stabbing at the Missile's missiles in the dirt?

I would rather have Fields just focus on playing defense at 3B and hitting. In the future, Phillips will be taking a roster spot from Getz or Fields. That is my prediction.

I cannot see Fields or Getz on the bench. They are going to need their ABs. Either Fields or Getz could be sent down to AAA..or of course, traded.

BleacherBandit
06-04-2009, 01:23 AM
How much would we expect to get by trading Nix? Maybe a package of him and maybe a pitching prospect will garner something. That way you could keep Getz and Fields in Chicago. I value Getz more because you can start him everyday. However, that's not a reason to bench him.

Nellie_Fox
06-04-2009, 01:26 AM
Whatever.
Oh, no! The stinging "whatever" riposte! No one can ever recover from it. :duel:

Ranger
06-04-2009, 01:33 AM
Rongey *** :scratch:

Get off your high horse.

Why is he ranting?

Problem?

By the way, what the hell are you talking about with Ozzie? Looks like a moron? How? Because he thinks it's ridiculous people think Gordon Beckham is going to come here and save the White Sox. Seems like a perfectly normal thing to think it's absurd for people to believe that will happen.

Your opinions are really ******* weird.

gf2020
06-04-2009, 01:43 AM
I really hope they don't move him around as both the CST/CT articles indicate is a possibility. Stick him at third or second and don't move him. He's not a super utility player. He's the future of the franchise.

Incidentally, Peter Gammons predicted Beckham as his ROY before the start of the season. I thought it was strange then, but I'm hoping that he'll be our Longoria.

pilotsox
06-04-2009, 01:43 AM
Looks like I get my wish. And for this, I am stoked. Tomorrow's game is easily the most anticipation I've had for any all year (forget Opening Day), and might be the most excited I've been since October 2005.

On a side note, I wish we could have used this opportunity to get rid of someone different. Gobble or Whisler, perhaps? What are either one of them doing here, really? And before any of you flip out, I don't get to watch many games televised, so Betemit's horrendous defense isn't something I've really had a chance to witness. Thus, admittedly, I'm not sitting on the best perspective here.

Now that I think about it, I think this is the final motivation I need to spend some cash and subscribe to MLBTV.

BleacherBandit
06-04-2009, 01:45 AM
I would be most comfortable seeing him at SS, becuase that's where he is most comfortable. Maybe they'll let Alexei have an off-day and try Beckham at SS.

pilotsox
06-04-2009, 01:48 AM
At the risk of sounding like a dumbass, Beckham IS playing tomorrow, right? No chance he's NOT in the lineup or simply not arrived in Chicago by game time?

Konerko05
06-04-2009, 01:57 AM
At the risk of sounding like a dumbass, Beckham IS playing tomorrow, right? No chance he's NOT in the lineup or simply not arrived in Chicago by game time?

Well no one can confirm that 100%, but almost every media outlet is reporting Beckham will be in the starting lineup tomorrow afternoon.

DonnieDarko
06-04-2009, 02:45 AM
I would rather have Fields just focus on playing defense at 3B and hitting. In the future, Phillips will be taking a roster spot from Getz or Fields. That is my prediction.

Wasn't Fields picked high in the draft? I think that if only because of that reason they're going to give him a shot for a good part of the year...but just in case Konerko needs a day off, I can see Fields playing 1B (is defense really THAT hard there?) and putting Beckham or Nix at 3B.

If anything, Nix will get some leeway, I would hope, because he doesn't even have a full season in the majors under his belt yet. Albeit, so does Getz but he doesn't get as much leeway since he can only play at 2B. Now if Nix could just learn to HIT the ball and stop swinging for the fences...oh laying off bad pitches wouldn't hurt either.

guillensdisciple
06-04-2009, 03:22 AM
Someone mentioned Viciedo as a possible third base option in the future and I think he is being groomed pretty well.

The kid was hitting .220 at some point of the season, and is now up to .277. On top of that he is also on a 11 or 12 game hitting streak. He has gotten used to playing again and facing different competition, and while his power numbers are not anything to gawk at, I am happy that he is hitting so well. No offense to home run hitters, but I would much rather have a guy who can hit the ball consistently and produce for the White Sox.

As for Beckham, I don't see a way that this kid will fail- he has prospered in every level and has the same caliber of hype backing him up that Longoria did. The White Sox lucked out on this one, and it is my belief that he will be the person that propels this team into a different stratoshpere. Maybe not this year (even though I think he will strengthen this team enough to make the playoffs and play well in the playoffs), but definitely years in the future. I love the White Sox pitching, and pitching wins championships. Richard looks like he will be a quality four and the 5 spot is the only thing we need to worry about (even though a 5 spot is just supposed to do an adequate job).

Either way, here is to Gordon Beckham his success this year, and his success in the future. May he be an all-star for years to come.:gulp::gulp:


Oh, and here is a link to Viciedo's stats so far this year:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Dayan%20Viciedo&pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=493364

DonnieDarko
06-04-2009, 03:35 AM
Someone mentioned Viciedo as a possible third base option in the future and I think he is being groomed pretty well.

The kid was hitting .220 at some point of the season, and is now up to .277. On top of that he is also on a 11 or 12 game hitting streak. He has gotten used to playing again and facing different competition, and while his power numbers are not anything to gawk at, I am happy that he is hitting so well. No offense to home run hitters, but I would much rather have a guy who can hit the ball consistently and produce for the White Sox.

How's the defense, though? I've heard that it's bad enough that they're considering playing him in LF. I've also heard that his swing needs a lot of work--he tends to get unbalanced, I think I heard.

I agree with you on pitching...though I think that to most teams the 5th Starter is either rookie or just some warm body that they can throw in there. :P

And while I wish I could be as optimistic as you are about Beckham (I like what I've heard and am in fact very excited to see him in the majors, I'm just highly cautious is all), if he can turn out to be anything like Longoria then this team will at least go somewhere for a good, long time. If in the future he becomes the kind of guy that carries the team when no one else is hitting well/at all, then we can party.

But considering the specialness of those kinds of players, that level of pure talent, I hope you can understand why some people are cocking their heads to the side while at the same time crossing their fingers. :)

guillensdisciple
06-04-2009, 03:41 AM
How's the defense, though? I've heard that it's bad enough that they're considering playing him in LF. I've also heard that his swing needs a lot of work--he tends to get unbalanced, I think I heard.

I believe it is adequate, but what amazes me about him is that he actually runs well for such a big body.

DonnieDarko
06-04-2009, 04:25 AM
He's also 20 with young legs. I doubt by the time he's 30 he'll be even close to what he is now in terms of speed.

soulfly
06-04-2009, 05:30 AM
Gordon called up!

Betemit DFA'd!

AWESOME.

MORE AWESOME.

It's funny that I suggested he be DFA'd not even 48 hours ago and HE GAWN.

SO AWESOME.

russ99
06-04-2009, 05:46 AM
Gordon called up!

Betemit DFA'd!

AWESOME.

MORE AWESOME.

It's funny that I suggested he be DFA'd not even 48 hours ago and HE GAWN.

SO AWESOME.

Fields better be on the way out too, since you don't bring up your first-round pick to sit him on the bench.

SoxGirl4Life
06-04-2009, 05:52 AM
I go to sleep early ONE time, and this happens! :o:

southside rocks
06-04-2009, 06:34 AM
No plane needed, Just put on the cape and suit and fly here in minutes.

Yes.

Or be borne in on the wings of Mystique and Aura. :cool:

RedHeadPaleHoser
06-04-2009, 06:41 AM
Mully was ripping the Sox this morning; Ozzie's comments about "if the kid plays everyday, I'll move him around" is tantamount to Ozzie and KW on opposite sides of the fence and Ozzie not knowing what hios boss wants.

Mully said Ozzie wants the kid to fail. He also faulted KW for bringing the kid up too soon.

So begins the "once again, we know better than KW" sports radio talk.

southside rocks
06-04-2009, 06:43 AM
Mully was ripping the Sox this morning; Ozzie's comments about "if the kid plays everyday, I'll move him around" is tantamount to Ozzie and KW on opposite sides of the fence and Ozzie not knowing what hios boss wants.

Mully said Ozzie wants the kid to fail. He also faulted KW for bringing the kid up too soon.

So begins the "once again, we know better than KW" sports radio talk.

Sports radio jocks are total gasbags -- they never have to produce or do anything. They don't even have to be consistent in what they say; they blather for 20+ hours a week, and who the hell remembers what they said about A B or C last week? I have heard all of them do total about-faces on a topic without batting an eye.

It could be a cool job -- when I was a kid I wanted to be a sportswriter -- but 99% of the time it ends up being just a bunch of crap spewed by a twit.

Mully couldn't do KW's job for one HOUR.

Lillian
06-04-2009, 06:46 AM
If they can get anything for Nix and Getz, then he can slide into second. I still think Getz can be a solid player, but I doubt he'll be better than Beckham. Nix has become what we all believed. A bad baseball player.

Please speak for yourself. I, for one, don't believe that Nix is a "bad baseball player". Sometimes I wonder if we are all watching the same games. I love Nix's approach at the plate. He always appears to me to be having pretty good at bats.

Defensively, Nix is the best infielder we have, with the exception of Alexei. He may even be a better second baseman than Alexei.

DonnieDarko
06-04-2009, 06:51 AM
Maybe the last two games Nix played were just bad games, but...I don't like his approach at the plate lately. Or, really, much at all. I don't like him swinging for the fences. I agree on him not being a bad baseball player (too soon to say that), and as my earlier posts show, I hope he stays: as of now, he certainly has more value than Getz, sadly.

Viva Medias B's
06-04-2009, 07:32 AM
So begins the "once again, we know better than KW" sports radio talk.

I say KW should be fired and that Mully should be installed as our new GM, since he obviously has much more general managerial intellect than KW. That way, I am sure that we will never lose a game ever again.

Hitmen77
06-04-2009, 08:01 AM
So where does he play? Both 2nd and 3rd?

Also I'm gonna guess he is going with number 6.

I don't know if anyone else replied to this yet, but #6 has been unofficially retired by the Sox (in honor of Charlie Lau) for quite some time now.

SoxFan78
06-04-2009, 08:03 AM
I'm excited for this move. I didn't think he would be called up until September, but with Betemit DFA'd im excited to see what this kid could do.

If he does end up playing 3rd, Fields has had more then enough chance to take that position.

BigP50
06-04-2009, 08:03 AM
it's about time.

can't wait to see him play

Hitmen77
06-04-2009, 08:22 AM
The more I ponder this move, this has to be a act of total desperation unless other moves are in the works.

I wouldn't call it total desperation, but I think you have a point.

There are two very interesting factors at work here: On the one hand, Beckham was tearing the cover off the ball in the minors ....but yet this still seems like a rush job to me.

Despite some of the posters here bemoaning any complaining here because of our 10 out of 14 streak, this is still a .500 team that seems to balance hot streaks with equally cold streaks.

I'm excited to see Gordon play. I hope this is reminiscent of when Big Frank was called up in 1990 and showed he was a future star from the get-go. But., I do have to wonder if the Sox are rushing Beckham because of the failings of the big league lineup.