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Frater Perdurabo
05-31-2009, 05:23 PM
Celebrate!

SoxGirl4Life
05-31-2009, 05:23 PM
Woot!

jabrch
05-31-2009, 05:23 PM
Way to go boys...Keep it coming!

Bring on the As.

Discuss

soxnut1018
05-31-2009, 05:24 PM
SWEEP!!! :bliss:
kM7C_yNlCLU

SoxGirl4Life
05-31-2009, 05:25 PM
We ROCK!

jabrch
05-31-2009, 05:25 PM
Yanky My Greinke!!!!

BadBobbyJenks
05-31-2009, 05:25 PM
Sweep! That was a fantastic win.

QMEPFZa4ZQo

WhiteSoxOnly
05-31-2009, 05:25 PM
Nothing better than Sox sweeps...i vote for let's make
this a habit.Good job fellers !

SoxFan1979
05-31-2009, 05:26 PM
:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

Sweep is ours!!!! Now lets kill'um at HOME! Great game Scotty Pods!!

rowand33
05-31-2009, 05:26 PM
Not to jinx it, but we could end this upcoming homestand in first place.

If TCQ comes back strong, it could be a great summer.

NDSox12
05-31-2009, 05:26 PM
That was one heck of an effort by every single guy with Chicago on the front of his jersey. In my opinion, this was the biggest win of the season to date, and it's not even close.

Huge clutch hits by Fields and Getz, and boy has Podsednik been an ignitor!

october23sp
05-31-2009, 05:26 PM
Sweep! That was a fantastic win.

QMEPFZa4ZQo

When did we adopt this as our theme song? I like it.

longtimesoxguy
05-31-2009, 05:27 PM
Like i said yesterday i like where WERE headed.

SoxGirl4Life
05-31-2009, 05:27 PM
Scotty :worship:
Getz :worship:
Fields :worship: (just for today, you still gotta step it up some more, dude)

Huisj
05-31-2009, 05:27 PM
This whole thing with scoring bunches of runs without homers is getting old. I want to see some home runs!

DonnieDarko
05-31-2009, 05:27 PM
I feel like I'm on cloud nine~ :D:

BadBobbyJenks
05-31-2009, 05:27 PM
When did we adopt this as our theme song? I like it.

Ive adopted it since it is in my head for hours after watching a Sox game.

voodoochile
05-31-2009, 05:28 PM
Heck of a road trip. Nice to see the boyz turning it around after that rough stretch in early May. Good things happen when the bottom of the order hits...

:soxwin:

:)

hi im skot
05-31-2009, 05:28 PM
These guys deserve quite the ovation tomorrow night.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j146/sschaaf/PDVD_024.jpg

Frater Perdurabo
05-31-2009, 05:28 PM
It's usually difficult to sweep a team on the road. But the Sox did it, closing it out with a win over the early AL CY favorite.

Now comes what is typically an equally difficult proposition: sweeping a four-game series. Nevertheless, the A's are the worst team in the AL and I expect the Sox to sweep them.

WhiteSoxOnly
05-31-2009, 05:28 PM
Not to jinx it, but we could end this upcoming homestand in first place.

If TCQ comes back strong, it could be a great summer.

He'll have to come off the bench. :redneck

Rohan
05-31-2009, 05:28 PM
Celebration time! :bandance:

voodoochile
05-31-2009, 05:29 PM
Oh and...

:sweep

Rdy2PlayBall
05-31-2009, 05:29 PM
I had a real good feeling they would be the first to get to Greinke. Didn't give him a loss but hey, it works. :D:

I really like Pods on this team. Even if he isn't a beast (which he has been!) ... he seems to be exactly what this team needed. When Quentin get's back I wouldn't expect Anderson to get much playing time at all. But look at it this way, that a good thing because that means Pods is doing great... so in a way you have to not want Anderson to play... Ok I'm confused but all I'm trying to say is GO PODS! :bandance:

october23sp
05-31-2009, 05:29 PM
t66uuDdpwaU

Jeckle2000
05-31-2009, 05:29 PM
I couldn't be more impressed with this Sox team.

Danks didn't have his good stuff but he at least kept us in the game and battled though it.

That 9th inning was awesome. Chris Getz! Brian Anderson running though the stop sign, which could of ended up being a disaster but it worked out.

Fields stayed hot with the bat. I don't see how you could not be impressed with the effort he's made in turning things around for the past week.

Sox are NOT dead!

:wink:

cheezheadsoxfan
05-31-2009, 05:30 PM
Really great game. I apologize Pods for doubting you! :worship:

GlassSox
05-31-2009, 05:30 PM
Wow, great ending to a great road trip. :D:

SoxGirl4Life
05-31-2009, 05:30 PM
Ive adopted it since it is in my head for hours after watching a Sox game.

lol.. I love it!

singapore_sling
05-31-2009, 05:30 PM
Danks did not look good at all but still hung in there. The hitting was AWESOME, especially PODS, pierzy, thome, fields and getz. Alexei made an error that cost us a run though, lucky we were able to get past it.

hi im skot
05-31-2009, 05:31 PM
It's usually difficult to sweep a team on the road. But the Sox did it, closing it out with a win over the early AL CY favorite.

Now comes what is typically an equally difficult proposition: sweeping a four-game series. Nevertheless, the A's are the worst team in the AL and I expect the Sox to sweep them.

One game at a time, sir Frater. :cool:

chisoxfanatic
05-31-2009, 05:31 PM
When they actually cashed in instead of leaving Pods stranded at 3rd with nobody out, I thought this would be a good game.

It's nice to get the first sweep of the season out of the way.

Gavin
05-31-2009, 05:31 PM
I like Pods.

october23sp
05-31-2009, 05:32 PM
Usually, I'm pretty pessimistic, but I was excited about getting Pods from day 1 when I knew he would be in Charlotte to begin.:bandance: Yay me.

rowand33
05-31-2009, 05:32 PM
I am in utter disbelief that Pods has been this good. I love it.

WhiteSox5187
05-31-2009, 05:32 PM
Pretty good road trip. I'd like to see Danks look better, but he is keeping us in games. Let's not stop now, let's come home and sweep the A's!

ramblinsoxfan11
05-31-2009, 05:32 PM
:sweep
Base hits, bunts, sacrifice flies? What happened to homeruns... haha just kidding, way to go Sox!!!

Frater Perdurabo
05-31-2009, 05:33 PM
One game at a time, sir Frater. :cool:

Don't salute me or call me sir during wartime! :tongue:

manders_01
05-31-2009, 05:33 PM
It feels good to win and better to win 'em all! :bandance:

Keep it up gentlemen!

WhiteSox1989
05-31-2009, 05:34 PM
I apologize for ever doubting Pods. Geeez.


Couldn't be happier!

october23sp
05-31-2009, 05:34 PM
Lets keep winning series'. Sweeps can be the bonus that comes out of it.:bandance:

DirtySox
05-31-2009, 05:34 PM
Great fantastic amazing road trip. We've been doing things we aren't known for lately. Hopefully we continue that, as we face a rookie pitcher tomorrow in Cahill. (Who is actually a top prospect and not a nobody)

soulfly
05-31-2009, 05:37 PM
Seems Pods great play this season has forced a lot of people here to say how they were wrong about him when he got the call up. :D:

GlassSox
05-31-2009, 05:37 PM
I am in utter disbelief that Pods has been this good. I love it.

Amen, great isn't it :D:

guillensdisciple
05-31-2009, 05:41 PM
Anyone notice how well we have been hitting with two outs lately? I like our clutch hitting, and our hitting in general. I am sure this is what Kenny and Ozzie had in mind when they decided to have a mixture of power and contact hitters (right now they are more on the contact side). I am happy we swept and happy to see that the Sox are finally 1 game under .500. I think the Tigers are beginning to hear really loud foot steps, and the same goes for the rest of the American League.


I believe this team can be a force to reckon with in baseball if they play the way that they can.

Go White Sox!!!

Frankfan4life
05-31-2009, 05:42 PM
Pods, Wow!!! :bandance:Getz, Yesss! Fields, props! I'm totally stoked! What a way to finish out a road trip. Yesterday, a lot of folks on the postgame thread really felt we could win this game. I'm happy to say, you guys were right!

Noneck
05-31-2009, 05:42 PM
I keep reading about people doubting what Pod could do. That was never the problem, going back to 05. The problem was staying healthy which he is currently. That can all change forever with one wrong move.
BTW: Nice road trip.

SoxGirl4Life
05-31-2009, 05:43 PM
Anyone notice how well we have been hitting with two outs lately? I like our clutch hitting, and our hitting in general. I am sure this is what Kenny and Ozzie had in mind when they decided to have a mixture of power and contact hitters (right now they are more on the contact side). I am happy we swept and happy to see that the Sox are finally 1 game under .500. I think the Tigers are beginning to hear really loud foot steps, and the same goes for the rest of the American League.


I believe this team can be a force to reckon with in baseball if they play the way that they can.

Go White Sox!!!

And how we're clawing out runs without the long ball!

BoysMom3
05-31-2009, 05:43 PM
Heck yes! That was a GREAT game!! That pitch that just missed Alexei's head really pissed me off though. Pods!!! I am loving how he's been playing!! Loving it!!!!! Suh-weep!!!

october23sp
05-31-2009, 05:44 PM
Heck yes! That was a GREAT game!! That pitch that just missed Alexei's head really pissed me off though. Pods!!! I am loving how he's been playing!! Loving it!!!!! Suh-weep!!!

About my feelings for this game.:bandance:

cws05champ
05-31-2009, 05:44 PM
The Sox offense in the last 7 days:

.330 avg (2nd in MLB)
41 runs (2nd in MLB)
.873 OPS (3rd in MLB)

Very nice...a great sweep. Keep the pressure on the Kittys and hopefully we can overtake 1st place in June sometime.

october23sp
05-31-2009, 05:45 PM
I'm mostly excited about being 1 game under .500. Lets get above .500 and never look back.

DrCrawdad
05-31-2009, 05:46 PM
Celebrate!

Fantastic series and road trip!

Celebrate indeed!

:gulp::bandance::gulp:

DaveFeelsRight
05-31-2009, 05:50 PM
i hope getz is ok

chisox77
05-31-2009, 05:50 PM
I love sweeps on the road.

Nice powder blue tops for the Royals.

Pods and Getz hitting the ball very hard today, getting clutch RBIs.

12-game homestand coming up, and a chance to really make a move, and a statement.

Keep it going, White Sox!

ChiSoxGirl
05-31-2009, 05:51 PM
I am in utter disbelief that Pods has been this good. I love it.

Honestly, so am I. He has been more than we all thought and I'm so glad about that. He's been the table-setter we needed and looked to in the past.

Seems Pods great play this season has forced a lot of people here to say how they were wrong about him when he got the call up. :D:

Yeah. Where are the haters now?! :wink:

What an incredible game; possibly one of the most well-played games of the young season. Everything seems to be coming together, as we've won eight of our last ten. Let's hope that abysmal four game sweep in Toronto and the 20-1 drubbing by the Twins end up being the low point of our season.

chisox77
05-31-2009, 05:51 PM
i hope getz is ok


I hope so too, but Nix would not be a bad replacement, if necessary.

DonnieDarko
05-31-2009, 05:53 PM
Does anyone happen to know what our average w/ RISP is right now? I think that it was like... .250 or something going into this game? Gotta be close to .260 right now.

LITTLE NELL
05-31-2009, 05:57 PM
i hope getz is ok
What happened to Getz, I was driving home during the 9th.

jabrch
05-31-2009, 05:59 PM
What happened to Getz, I was driving home during the 9th.

Hopefully just a raspberry from a slide...

LITTLE NELL
05-31-2009, 06:01 PM
What happened to Getz, I was driving home during the 9th.

Hopefully just a raspberry from a slide...
Thanks, he's a tough kid, pencil him Mon. night.

voodoochile
05-31-2009, 06:02 PM
Does anyone happen to know what our average w/ RISP is right now? I think that it was like... .250 or something going into this game? Gotta be close to .260 right now.

Right on the money...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?sort=runs&split=39&group=9&season=2009&seasonType=2&statType=batting&type=reg

DonnieDarko
05-31-2009, 06:04 PM
Right on the money...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?sort=runs&split=39&group=9&season=2009&seasonType=2&statType=batting&type=reg

Well, our team average is now .259, but what about w/ RISP?

JB98
05-31-2009, 06:05 PM
That was the most encouraging and satisfying win of the season so far. The Sox were down 4-1 on the road against the best pitcher in the AL, and they pulled it out.

Perhaps I was wrong about Pods. Maybe he does have a little something left. He's been a big lift for the offense the last two or three weeks.

With Soria on the DL, the Sox bullpen is MUCH stronger than Kansas City's relief corps. We saw that advantage result in two victories for us the last two days. The KC bullpen blinked first, and Jenks nailed it down.

SoxGirl4Life
05-31-2009, 06:06 PM
Well, our team average is now .259, but what about w/ RISP?

That is with RISP. Look at the sort order, upper right

voodoochile
05-31-2009, 06:07 PM
Well, our team average is now .259, but what about w/ RISP?

That link is to the scoring average split for all MLB teams. It would be a neat trick if the Sox had managed to only have 406 AB in 48 games...

Edit: and when I first looked at it, the batting average was .260 dead on the number, but that was before they updated from today's game. At least I think so. They had 396 AB in the original page (which I still have open) and 406 in the current one...

DonnieDarko
05-31-2009, 06:11 PM
Argh, I didn't see that. Thanks, guys.

Also, I just heard on the post-game show that there are some trade rumors out there with Clayton and Poreda going out to another team for someone? I missed who what they said it was for, but who is it?

EDIT: Eric Bedard? Whozzat?

Zakath
05-31-2009, 06:13 PM
Nice way to finish May, which started out awful (4-12 through the 18th, 9-3 to the end of the month). Considering we only had 10 home games and 18 road games, 13-15 isn't completely awful.

Still within striking distance, and 18 home games and 11 road games in June , with no trip further than Cleveland...

voodoochile
05-31-2009, 06:13 PM
Argh, I didn't see that. Thanks, guys.

Also, I just heard on the post-game show that there are some trade rumors out there with Clayton and Poreda going out to another team for someone? I missed who what they said it was for, but who is it?

EDIT: Eric Bedard? Whozzat?

Seattle's top pitcher...

DonnieDarko
05-31-2009, 06:14 PM
Seattle's top pitcher...

I just looked up his stats. Pretty good, but...I dunno, I kinda would like Richard and Poreda to stay. They've got promising futures it seems like, and Eric Bedard is 30 this year.

Meh, then again, what do I know? I'm just a fan. :tongue:

Whitesoxfan23
05-31-2009, 06:15 PM
Please tell me that I'm not the only one who thinks this trade is a terrible idea, considering Bedard is a free agent after this season. I really hope this doesn't go down, unless the White Sox really think they can re-sign him.

JB98
05-31-2009, 06:15 PM
Seattle's top pitcher...

The oft-injured one. I'd stay clear of him. Great talent, but made of glass.

Zakath
05-31-2009, 06:16 PM
Argh, I didn't see that. Thanks, guys.

Also, I just heard on the post-game show that there are some trade rumors out there with Clayton and Poreda going out to another team for someone? I missed who what they said it was for, but who is it?

EDIT: Eric Bedard? Whozzat?

Well, Bedard is having his best year so far for Seattle (3-2, 2.48 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, .227 BAA, 15 BB, 54 K in 54.1 innings). Not sure it's worth giving up Clayton and Poreda to get him...

PatK
05-31-2009, 06:17 PM
Seems Pods great play this season has forced a lot of people here to say how they were wrong about him when he got the call up. :D:

I've been a huge Pods fan since he came up with Milwaukee. He was exciting, plus he drove the Cubs nuts.

The problem is, when he's not healthy, he's useless, because his injuries are nearly always his legs, which is his whole game. When he's healthy, he's always been solid, if a bit iffy on D.

I think he took way too much grief here because his 2007 season really hurt the team. Same with 2006, although he did play more games than in 2005.

Glad to see him contributing again.

What do you think will happen when Quentin comes off the DL? Will he stay?

whitesoxfan
05-31-2009, 06:19 PM
Well, Bedard is having his best year so far for Seattle (3-2, 2.48 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, .227 BAA, 15 BB, 54 K in 54.1 innings). Not sure it's worth giving up Clayton and Poreda to get him...

It's not. He's nowhere near Peavy's level. If we were to get Bedard, I'd hope we'd come up with a much smaller package than that.

Great series and today was an outstanding game. Can't complain at all with a 5-1 road trip.

Dan H
05-31-2009, 06:20 PM
I hope Pods can keep this up. He has played some inspired ball and the team needs his speed. That triple in the first inning was some aggressive yet smart base running.

Nice road trip. A good combination of routs and winning the close ones. Now let's get to .500 and go on from there.

Jeckle2000
05-31-2009, 06:20 PM
I've been a huge Pods fan since he came up with Milwaukee. He was exciting, plus he drove the Cubs nuts.

The problem is, when he's not healthy, he's useless, because his injuries are nearly always his legs, which is his whole game. When he's healthy, he's always been solid, if a bit iffy on D.

I think he took way too much grief here because his 2007 season really hurt the team. Same with 2006, although he did play more games than in 2005.

Glad to see him contributing again.

What do you think will happen when Quentin comes off the DL? Will he stay?

Will he stay? Do you really have to ask?

I've been impressed with Podsednik so far. He's earned a spot on this team. Then again Brian Anderson has been playing fantastic as well...

The way DeWayne is playing they might as well just buy his ticket now.

JB98
05-31-2009, 06:21 PM
I've been a huge Pods fan since he came up with Milwaukee. He was exciting, plus he drove the Cubs nuts.

The problem is, when he's not healthy, he's useless, because his injuries are nearly always his legs, which is his whole game. When he's healthy, he's always been solid, if a bit iffy on D.

I think he took way too much grief here because his 2007 season really hurt the team. Same with 2006, although he did play more games than in 2005.

Glad to see him contributing again.

What do you think will happen when Quentin comes off the DL? Will he stay?

Of course he will.

I'm thinking the Sox will go down to 11 pitchers when Quentin comes off the DL. Broadway wasn't getting any work before he got traded. Gobble has been used sparingly. Whisler just came up, but hasn't seen the field yet.

Why the hell do we need 12 pitchers? Really, only 10 are getting regular work.

LITTLE NELL
05-31-2009, 06:21 PM
I've been a huge Pods fan since he came up with Milwaukee. He was exciting, plus he drove the Cubs nuts.

The problem is, when he's not healthy, he's useless, because his injuries are nearly always his legs, which is his whole game. When he's healthy, he's always been solid, if a bit iffy on D.

I think he took way too much grief here because his 2007 season really hurt the team. Same with 2006, although he did play more games than in 2005.

Glad to see him contributing again.

What do you think will happen when Quentin comes off the DL? Will he stay?
If he continues the job at leadoff you have to put him in CF with BA as defensive replacement.

JB98
05-31-2009, 06:24 PM
Will he stay? Do you really have to ask?

The way DeWayne is playing they might as well just buy his ticket now.

No way. Wise can help the team more than Jimmy Gobble or Wes Whisler can.

The Sox are in no position to be kicking outfielders out of the organization. What if Quentin gets injured again? What if Pods gets injured? He doesn't exactly have a great health history.

If Wise leaves the organization, then you're down to Restovich and Kroeger as possibilities for callup. If you think Wise is bad, you should see those two. They are TERRIBLE.

guillensdisciple
05-31-2009, 06:24 PM
The trade for Bedard is one of those no-brainers where you get a proven quality pitcher (assuming the White Sox know how to keep him healthy, which they usually do with pitching) for two pitchers that are young and not necessarily going to be as great as Bedard.

Imagine a line up of these 5 pitchers, and all of them healthy.

Mark
Eric
John
Gavin
Bartolo

To me, this is one of those trades that Bulls fans (including me) get caught up in when they fall in love with a player, but other PROVEN stars are out there. You have to take risks to win championships, and if the White Sox can get a star for two unprovens we should be very happy as White Sox fans.

Zakath
05-31-2009, 06:27 PM
If he continues the job at leadoff you have to put him in CF with BA as defensive replacement.

.297 with only 8 K's in 101 AB (of course, not all of that is at leadoff). That's doing the job, all right.

Only glaring offensive flaw so far is his SB/CS ratio (careerwise, he's almost 3:1; only 3 SB and 3 CS this year).

DonnieDarko
05-31-2009, 06:28 PM
The trade for Bedard is one of those no-brainers where you get a proven quality pitcher (assuming the White Sox know how to keep him healthy, which they usually do with pitching) for two pitchers that are young and not necessarily going to be as great as Bedard.

Imagine a line up of these 5 pitchers, and all of them healthy.

Mark
Eric
John
Gavin
Bartolo

To me, this is one of those trades that Bulls fans (including me) get caught up in when they fall in love with a player, but other PROVEN stars are out there. You have to take risks to win championships, and if the White Sox can get a star for two unprovens we should be very happy as White Sox fans.

Again, dude's injury prone. With how well Richard has been pitching lately, I don't see moving him for Bedard. Poreda, sure, maybe some other guys, but not someone who's got some proven success on the ML level.

HomeFish
05-31-2009, 06:30 PM
I thought Bedard had regressed in Seattle?

Noneck
05-31-2009, 06:30 PM
Why the hell do we need 12 pitchers? Really, only 10 are getting regular work.

Around the time Quentin gets off the DL, the Sox will have 9 games in a row in national league parks. I think they will need 12 pitchers.

My solution would be to DL Thome (bad back) at that time, Wise will be more valuable in NL games in NL parks than Thome. After Thome comes off DL, I hope its bye bye Wise time then.

guillensdisciple
05-31-2009, 06:34 PM
Again, dude's injury prone. With how well Richard has been pitching lately, I don't see moving him for Bedard. Poreda, sure, maybe some other guys, but not someone who's got some proven success on the ML level.


He has had maybe 6 games of success his whole career, right NOW is the time to gamble and give him up for someone who has been an all-star and will be one again.
I agree that giving both Poreda and Richard is a little of a push, especially when both might be gold- mines. The White Sox should allow Richard to make one or two more starts and go from there. Don't forget that they know more than we do as scouts, and maybe they see that this is just the beginning and it might take him time to become a good pitcher. Maybe the White Sox want to win the World Series now. If that is what they want, then I am more than willing to accept it.

central44
05-31-2009, 06:34 PM
I keep reading about people doubting what Pod could do. That was never the problem, going back to 05. The problem was staying healthy which he is currently. That can all change forever with one wrong move.
BTW: Nice road trip.

True, but at the same time, the culture of this team seemed to shift away from HRs and more toward small ball once Pods was put in the leadoff spot. Remember how last year, people credited the Cubs for taking more pitches and being more patient after seeing Fukudome's approach? I'm guessing that something similiar to that might be going on here, and the Sox can plug other guys in if Pods goes down for a period of time.

Any way I look at it, this was a fantastic pickup.

DSpivack
05-31-2009, 06:37 PM
He has had maybe 6 games of success his whole career, right NOW is the time to gamble and give him up for someone who has been an all-star and will be one again.
I agree that giving both Poreda and Richard is a little of a push, especially when both might be gold- mines. The White Sox should allow Richard to make one or two more starts and go from there. Don't forget that they know more than we do as scouts, and maybe they see that this is just the beginning and it might take him time to become a good pitcher. Maybe the White Sox want to win the World Series now. If that is what they want, then I am more than willing to accept it.

I would trade Poreda and Richard for the right top-line SP.

Bedard, however, is not that and as said, is injury-prone and will be a free agent.

SoxGirl4Life
05-31-2009, 06:38 PM
I would trade Poreda and Richard for the right top-line SP.

Bedard, however, is not that and as said, is injury-prone and will be a free agent.

And according to Gonzales, Roy doesn't like us.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/report-roy-oswalt-not-interested-in-white-sox.html

doublem23
05-31-2009, 06:41 PM
The Sox offense in the last 7 days:

.330 avg (2nd in MLB)
41 runs (2nd in MLB)
.873 OPS (3rd in MLB)

Very nice...a great sweep. Keep the pressure on the Kittys and hopefully we can overtake 1st place in June sometime.

I'm very glad they turned it around.

Winning sure beats losing. :cool:

Soxman219
05-31-2009, 06:44 PM
Nice Sweep! I was at a soccer game and didn't see the game but can't argue with the results! I knew we would have no problem with Grenkie today. It's time to have a nice homestand and make a statement.

DirtySox
05-31-2009, 06:45 PM
The White Sox obviously aren't going to part with a bunch of quality players/prospects for a rental of Bedard. If they do, an extension will likely be in the works.

twinsuck
05-31-2009, 06:46 PM
And according to Gonzales, Roy doesn't like us.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/report-roy-oswalt-not-interested-in-white-sox.html
He must still be upset about 2005! :rolleyes:

Tragg
05-31-2009, 06:46 PM
Of course he will.

I'm thinking the Sox will go down to 11 pitchers when Quentin comes off the DL.
I think they'll DFA Wise when Quentin comes back. Another positive effect of Pods is that he may save us from regular Wise duty.
There comes a time....

CashMan
05-31-2009, 06:49 PM
I think they'll DFA Wise when Quentin comes back. Another positive effect of Pods is that he may save us from regular Wise duty.
There comes a time....


I will be the 1st FOBA to say, IF Pods continues this level of play, and TCQ comes back healthy, I would not have a problem with BA being the 4th OFer.

EnglishChiSox
05-31-2009, 06:50 PM
I think they'll DFA Wise when Quentin comes back. Another positive effect of Pods is that he may save us from regular Wise duty.
There comes a time....


How could they DFA Wise?, he's such a terrific player. They should DFA Quentin instead.

Great Sox series win, doing it the right way and the homers will come but the Sox haven't been relying on it in the recent hot streak, great to see other facets of the game being productive.

NDSox12
05-31-2009, 06:50 PM
The White Sox obviously aren't going to part with a bunch of quality players/prospects for a rental of Bedard. If they do, an extension will likely be in the works.

No kidding. Where is this talk coming from? There is no way the Sox would give up the same package for Peavy as Bedard. Peavy is a better pitcher, is much more durable, and is signed to an extended contract.

SoxGirl4Life
05-31-2009, 06:52 PM
No kidding. Where is this talk coming from? There is no way the Sox would give up the same package for Peavy as Bedard. Peavy is a better pitcher, is much more durable, and is signed to an extended contract.

Bedard is also injury prone and kinda regressing since his Baltimore days. There was a time I wanted him and Scott Kasmir on the Sox. Now, not so much. I like Richard, fwiw.

doublem23
05-31-2009, 06:55 PM
And according to Gonzales, Roy doesn't like us.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/05/report-roy-oswalt-not-interested-in-white-sox.html

Probably still pissed off about 2005.

Tragg
05-31-2009, 06:56 PM
No kidding. Where is this talk coming from? There is no way the Sox would give up the same package for Peavy as Bedard. Peavy is a better pitcher, is much more durable, and is signed to an extended contract.

Do NOT bail Seattle out of their terrible trade.
If we can sign him to an extension, that's OUR consumer surplus. Seattle shouldn't benefit from that. They don't get extra players if WE can sign him.
My suggestion would be to give them NO players and sign him as a Free Agent.

SoxGirl4Life
05-31-2009, 06:57 PM
Probably still pissed off about 2005.

Oh, that little ole thing?? :D:

doublem23
05-31-2009, 06:59 PM
No kidding. Where is this talk coming from? There is no way the Sox would give up the same package for Peavy as Bedard. Peavy is a better pitcher, is much more durable, and is signed to an extended contract.

I know everyone is high on Clayton Richard juice right now, but that deal (especially if, as rumored, Lance Broadway was one of the PTBNL) was ridiculous low on players for a front-line starter like Peavy, because we were taking on his entire contract.

Let's not pretend like we were gutting the farm system. Even as average as the Sox organization is right now, we'd still be left with a lot of pieces.

guillensdisciple
05-31-2009, 07:00 PM
You would think Brad Lidge would be most pissed about 2005, but he has moved on. Shameful that SOME people don't have a soul.

DirtySox
05-31-2009, 07:03 PM
For what it's worth I like Bedard and see him as a solid addition. It all depends on what he would cost though. Reports aren't favorable that he is to be had cheaply because of what Seattle gave up for him. (Adam Jones and Tillman say hi)

Also, people seem to be overrating Richard a bit. I like him, but he is a back end starter with the stuff he has. Not much more.

Tragg
05-31-2009, 07:04 PM
I know everyone is high on Clayton Richard juice right now, but that deal (especially if, as rumored, Lance Broadway was one of the PTBNL) was ridiculous low on players for a front-line starter like Peavy, because we were taking on his entire contract.

Let's not pretend like we were gutting the farm system. Even as average as the Sox organization is right now, we'd still be left with a lot of pieces.
That's true. That was also for Peavy. We aren't getting a better pitcher than him. And as reasonable as that deal would have been, we would have had close to zero pitching pieces left on the farm.

Richard has shown poise and skill as long as he's been up. Plenty of great pitchers don't throw 94.

doublem23
05-31-2009, 07:05 PM
You would think Brad Lidge would be most pissed about 2005, but he has moved on. Shameful that SOME people don't have a soul.

Brad Lidge got his redemption (http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/10/29/sp-world_series__0499375783.jpg).

thomas35forever
05-31-2009, 07:09 PM
Pods has made himself relevant to the team again. The bats are starting to wake up, the rotation is pitching back to form, and the bullpen has not lost a step. I like how this is performing.

I'll take a 7-2 road trip anytime. We should easily win the Oakland and Cleveland series. We'll see what this team is made of during the Detroit series. That said, go White Sox!:bandance:

hawkjt
05-31-2009, 07:13 PM
Pre-Pods, I had forgotten what a difference a true lead-off hitter makes for the whole lineup. He has made the first inning worth watching again.
As for trading Richard...do not like it. He is a power lefty hitting 95 with real poise on the mound that comes from being behind center at Michigan in front of 110,000 crazy fans. He is going to be a fixture in the rotation,and pretty much indestructible.
Don't do it ,Kenny!!

cws05champ
05-31-2009, 07:13 PM
That's true. That was also for Peavy. We aren't getting a better pitcher than him. And as reasonable as that deal would have been, we would have had close to zero pitching pieces left on the farm.

Richard has shown poise and skill as long as he's been up. Plenty of great pitchers don't throw 94.
Richard was throwing 94/95 in his last start though. Even Stone commented that he has had more velocity in his last two starts. I would have traded Richard and Poreda for Peavy, but NOT Bedard...and I'm not really high on Oswalt's long term effectiveness.

EDIT: Also, I'm getting pretty tired of these pitchers w/ NTC turning us down. What is so bad about coming to an organization that is always trying to win...and has in the last few years.

SoxGirl4Life
05-31-2009, 07:14 PM
Greinke paying homage to Pods. We've found his Kryptonite

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9629012/White-Sox-7,-Royals-4

DirtySox
05-31-2009, 07:16 PM
A pitcher tipping his cap to us? :o:

SoxGirl4Life
05-31-2009, 07:17 PM
A pitcher tipping his cap to us? :o:

I know, weird, right?

Zakath
05-31-2009, 07:22 PM
I know, weird, right?

Probably because we're the ones that finally pushed his ERA over 1. He hadn't given up more than 2 in any outing this season.

Until today.

NDSox12
05-31-2009, 07:22 PM
He is a power lefty hitting 95 with real poise on the mound that comes from being behind center at Michigan in front of 110,000 crazy fans.

His only time behind center at Michigan was in mop up duty, so I doubt that had much to do with his current poise.

guillensdisciple
05-31-2009, 07:24 PM
Brad Lidge got his redemption (http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/10/29/sp-world_series__0499375783.jpg).

That was what I was saying:D:. He overcame the Sox and moved on to win, whereas Oswalt has played for a crappy team and refuses to win. He= loser.

By the way, every start Greinke ever made prior to this week was always first to be mentioned on baseball tonight. We have already been surpassed by the Indians vs. Yankees, Detroit vs. Baltimore, Red Sox vs. Jays, and Mets vs. Florida in the highlight department. Don't want to whine, but I think having the Sox do some damage to the unstoppable Greinke should have some relevance in the world.

A lot of mention of the re-surging Cubs too. Bleh.

Just a tad bit irritating (Giants against Cardinals just replayed).

spawn
05-31-2009, 07:29 PM
That was what I was saying:D:. He overcame the Sox and moved on to win, whereas Oswalt has played for a crappy team and refuses to win. He= loser.

By the way, every start Greinke ever made prior to this week was always first to be mentioned on baseball tonight. We have already been surpassed by the Indians vs. Yankees, Detroit vs. Baltimore, Red Sox vs. Jays, and Mets vs. Florida in the highlight department. Don't want to whine, but I think having the Sox do some damage to the unstoppable Greinke should have some relevance in the world.

A lot of mention of the re-surging Cubs too. Bleh.

Just a tad bit irritating (Giants against Cardinals just replayed).
Just a thought: stop watching Baseball Tonight.

esbrechtel
05-31-2009, 07:34 PM
Greinke paying homage to Pods. We've found his Kryptonite

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9629012/White-Sox-7,-Royals-4


When the Pods signing happened this year I really thought it was a smart depth move just in case something bad happened. I never imagined Pods actually playing this season with the sox. I also never imagined Pods would be playing this well...

I will also tip my cap to Pods :tiphat:

JB98
05-31-2009, 07:44 PM
Around the time Quentin gets off the DL, the Sox will have 9 games in a row in national league parks. I think they will need 12 pitchers.

My solution would be to DL Thome (bad back) at that time, Wise will be more valuable in NL games in NL parks than Thome. After Thome comes off DL, I hope its bye bye Wise time then.

Why would you DL Thome with some fake injury over nine games in NL parks? It's a 15-day required stint. You'd be costing yourself your DH for six AL games, in addition to those nine NL contests. That doesn't make any sense to me.

And I don't understand the eagerness to DFA Wise. I'm not going to defend Wise as a player. He's a fifth outfielder. But you have an oft-injured Quentin, an oft-injured Pods and 35-year-old Jermaine Dye in your outfield. And you have ZERO major-league ready outfielders toiling in the minor leagues.

I don't think this organization can afford to cut even a backup outfielder like Wise. There is ZERO depth at that position.

Again, I think it's a better solution to cut the dead weight in the bullpen.

Craig Grebeck
05-31-2009, 07:51 PM
You would think Brad Lidge would be most pissed about 2005, but he has moved on. Shameful that SOME people don't have a soul.
Wait are you saying Roy doesn't have a soul because he'd rather stay close to home? What the ****?

Sox
05-31-2009, 07:57 PM
:gosox::cheers::sox:threadrules:

Noneck
05-31-2009, 07:59 PM
Why would you DL Thome with some fake injury over nine games in NL parks? It's a 15-day required stint. You'd be costing yourself your DH for six AL games, in addition to those nine NL contests. That doesn't make any sense to me.

And I don't understand the eagerness to DFA Wise. I'm not going to defend Wise as a player. He's a fifth outfielder. But you have an oft-injured Quentin, an oft-injured Pods and 35-year-old Jermaine Dye in your outfield. And you have ZERO major-league ready outfielders toiling in the minor leagues.

I don't think this organization can afford to cut even a backup outfielder like Wise. There is ZERO depth at that position.

Again, I think it's a better solution to cut the dead weight in the bullpen.

Actually it would be only 4 AL games because of off days and we know he wont play all the Detroit games anyway so its actually 3 games.

What do the Sox do with 5 outfielders? You are also counting on the Sox starters to go deep as they have been doing. We know the strength to the Sox right now is their relief pitching, they will have to be kept fresh to stay in the hunt.

kittle42
05-31-2009, 08:00 PM
Wait are you saying Roy doesn't have a soul because he'd rather stay close to home? What the ****?

Don't you know? Anyone who bargains for a NTC in their contract and then actually exercises his right to choose where he does and doesn't want to play is barely human.

JB98
05-31-2009, 08:04 PM
Actually it would be only 4 AL games because of off days and we know he wont play all the Detroit games anyway so its actually 3 games.

What do the Sox do with 5 outfielders? You are also counting on the Sox starters to go deep as they have been doing. We know the strength to the Sox right now is their relief pitching, they will have to be kept fresh to stay in the hunt.

Use them to pinch-hit in NL parks. In addition, Wise is effective as a pinch-runner.

I'm not going to support putting Thome on the DL with a fake injury. Ever. Even in NL parks, he can impact a game because he's a tremendous threat as a pinch-hitter. His mere presence can alter the strategy of the opposition.

I think the Sox relief pitching is very fresh, thanks to DJ Carrasco. Due to the fact that Carrasco has a rubber arm, and has saved this pitching staff multiple times, I think a 12th pitcher is unnecessary.

As it stands right now, our 11th guy isn't getting much work.

guillensdisciple
05-31-2009, 08:08 PM
Wait are you saying Roy doesn't have a soul because he'd rather stay close to home? What the ****?


Is sarcasm that hard to notice without teal?

Noneck
05-31-2009, 08:15 PM
Use them to pinch-hit in NL parks. In addition, Wise is effective as a pinch-runner.

I'm not going to support putting Thome on the DL with a fake injury. Ever. Even in NL parks, he can impact a game because he's a tremendous threat as a pinch-hitter. His mere presence can alter the strategy of the opposition.

I think the Sox relief pitching is very fresh, thanks to DJ Carrasco. Due to the fact that Carrasco has a rubber arm, and has saved this pitching staff multiple times, I think a 12th pitcher is unnecessary.

As it stands right now, our 11th guy isn't getting much work.
For NL games in NL parks, 5 ofers are great but after that is what I am talking about.

In NL parks Thome is a waste (cant even do a double switch with him). This is the perfect time for him to take care of his chronic back problem for the home stretch.

In NL games more pitchers will be used and I don't want to see a replay of the Linebrink , Dotel late season meltdown because of overwork.

thomas35forever
05-31-2009, 08:21 PM
For NL games in NL parks, 5 ofers are great but after that is what I am talking about.

In NL parks Thome is a waste (cant even do a double switch with him). This is the perfect time for him to take care of his chronic back problem for the home stretch.

In NL games more pitchers will be used and I don't want to see a replay of the Linebrink , Dotel late season meltdown because of overwork.
Pinch-hit him late in a game if we need runs. Otherwise, what purpose did Carl Everett have during road games in the '05 World Series?

Noneck
05-31-2009, 08:24 PM
Otherwise, what purpose did Carl Everett have during road games in the '05 World Series?
Not much but at least there was the possibility to do a double switch or as a pinch runner if the situation arose.

thomas35forever
05-31-2009, 08:25 PM
Not much but at least there was the possibility to do a double switch or as a pinch runner if the situation arose.
Everett was part of a double switch in the inning that decided the '05 WS. How is Thome different?

Tragg
05-31-2009, 08:26 PM
Why would you DL Thome with some fake injury over nine games in NL parks? It's a 15-day required stint. You'd be costing yourself your DH for six AL games, in addition to those nine NL contests. That doesn't make any sense to me.

And I don't understand the eagerness to DFA Wise. I'm not going to defend Wise as a player. He's a fifth outfielder. But you have an oft-injured Quentin, an oft-injured Pods and 35-year-old Jermaine Dye in your outfield. .
But he's a terrible hitter. We don't need anyone who can cover center field. Just a corner outfielder who can hit a little would be fine for a 5th outfield spot. There's got to be one of those in AAA. Both Anderson and Pods run the bases fine. Bring up Kroger - he can hit better than Wise.

I agree on Thome.

Noneck
05-31-2009, 08:27 PM
Everett was part of a double switch in the inning that decided the '05 WS. How is Thome different?

Where can Thome play in a double switch?

soulfly
05-31-2009, 08:31 PM
Where can Thome play in a double switch?

CF, obviously!

thomas35forever
05-31-2009, 08:31 PM
Where can Thome play in a double switch?
Don't play him in the field. When Everett pinch hit in Game 4, that's all he did. Harris was also a pinch hitter and he stayed in the game at second base. If the lineup had batted around again, someone else would have hit in the no. 2 spot. It's not that hard to figure out.

hoosiersoxfan
05-31-2009, 08:32 PM
Big Jim has been swinging the bat pretty well lately. Putting him on the DL might make sense if he was struggling but having him available to pinch hit in NL parks could be vital. Would you rather the Sox call up a prospect and have them pinch hit in a big situation or have the future hall of famer up in that spot?

kittle42
05-31-2009, 08:33 PM
Bring up Kroger - he can hit better than Wise.

Wise sucks, but this statement is completely unfounded.

34 Inch Stick
05-31-2009, 08:33 PM
These discussions are much more palatable during a win streak.

Noneck
05-31-2009, 08:34 PM
Don't play him in the field. When Everett pinch hit in Game 4, that's all he did. Harris was also a pinch hitter and he stayed in the game at second base. If the lineup had batted around again, someone else would have hit in the no. 2 spot. It's not that hard to figure out.

I understand that but its nice for a pinch hitter to be also able to take a position in a double switch. Thome can not do that.

Brian26
05-31-2009, 08:35 PM
As it stands right now, our 11th guy isn't getting much work.

10-man pitching staffs are a thing of the past, much like the four-man rotation. That 11th guy is essential.

Noneck
05-31-2009, 08:40 PM
Big Jim has been swinging the bat pretty well lately. Putting him on the DL might make sense if he was struggling but having him available to pinch hit in NL parks could be vital. Would you rather the Sox call up a prospect and have them pinch hit in a big situation or have the future hall of famer up in that spot?
I would like to have Thome but would rather have the 4 current outfielders and Quentin along with with the current pitching staff numbers.

cws05champ
05-31-2009, 08:45 PM
10-man pitching staffs are a thing of the past, much like the four-man rotation. That 11th guy is essential.

We have 12 though... The starting five + Jenks, Linebrink, Dotel, Thornton, Carassco, Gobble, Whisler. I can see Whisler sent down after the home stand if there are no injuries.

TommyJohn
05-31-2009, 08:49 PM
Is sarcasm that hard to notice without teal?
For the self-important and humor-impaired, yes.

Brian26
05-31-2009, 08:55 PM
We have 12 though... The starting five + Jenks, Linebrink, Dotel, Thornton, Carassco, Gobble, Whisler. I can see Whisler sent down after the home stand if there are no injuries.

I understand that. JB has implied twice that we can get by with 10 pitchers.

Craig Grebeck
05-31-2009, 09:01 PM
For the self-important and humor-impaired, yes.
Flattering, really.

Honest mistake. Though given the reactions lately to player's actually exercising their contractual NTC, should I really assume sarcasm?

JDub35
05-31-2009, 09:16 PM
I was at this game, and it was awesome!! Keep it going Sox! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

markopat
05-31-2009, 10:06 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed this win! Let's stay on a roll for the home stand!

Shoeless
05-31-2009, 11:56 PM
As a wish of good luck carrying over from hockey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FinNUQVi9Q

GoGoCrede
06-01-2009, 12:00 AM
I missed it, had to work, but I literally whooped with joy when we tied it, then when we won. The customers were a bit weirded out. :tongue: My 4-year crush on Pods continues.

soltrain21
06-01-2009, 12:19 AM
As a wish of good luck carrying over from hockey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FinNUQVi9Q

Please no.

soulfly
06-01-2009, 12:45 AM
Please no.

The new music they have started to play at Hawks games is a big let down.

So yes, please no. My ears.

johnnyg83
06-01-2009, 01:02 AM
13-15 May .... not bad considering they were 4-12 mid-month.

Rohan
06-01-2009, 01:18 AM
as a wish of good luck carrying over from hockey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-finnuqvi9q

oh baby you! You got what i neeeed...

WhiteSox5187
06-01-2009, 01:25 AM
13-15 May .... not bad considering they were 4-12 mid-month.

Really that's practically a miracle. Let's just keep playing like this and have a June where when it ends we look like a 90 win team.

JB98
06-01-2009, 01:41 AM
I understand that. JB has implied twice that we can get by with 10 pitchers.

You misunderstood me, Brian.

My argument is that when Quentin comes back, we should keep all our current positions players on the roster and send down our 12th pitcher. At this point in time, that would be Whisler.

Right now, only 10 pitchers are getting regular work. I'm using that as a basis for my statement that we don't need 12. I think the Sox would be fine carrying 14 position players and 11 pitchers.

Again, I'm not defending Wise as a player. But we have so little outfield depth in the organization that I don't feel the Sox should DFA him and risk losing him. I'd actually sooner cut Betemit than cut Wise.

cards press box
06-01-2009, 01:47 AM
You misunderstood me, Brian.

My argument is that when Quentin comes back, we should keep all our current positions players on the roster and send down our 12th pitcher. At this point in time, that would be Whisler.

I agree with this concept. 14 position players and 11 pitchers would give Ozzie Guillen more maneuverability with the Sox bench.

One question: is the Sox' 12th pitcher Wes Whisler or Jimmy Gobble?

JB98
06-01-2009, 01:55 AM
I agree with this concept. 14 position players and 11 pitchers would give Ozzie Guillen more maneuverability with the Sox bench.

One question: is the Sox' 12th pitcher Wes Whisler or Jimmy Gobble?

Right now, it's Whisler. He hasn't gotten into a game at the big-league level yet, so it is a little hard to judge whether he'd be more or less useful than Gobble at this point.

CWSpalehoseCWS
06-01-2009, 02:40 AM
I agree with this concept. 14 position players and 11 pitchers would give Ozzie Guillen more maneuverability with the Sox bench.

One question: is the Sox' 12th pitcher Wes Whisler or Jimmy Gobble?

They could cut both and use Contreras out of the pen. He could go a lot deeper and longer into the games than Gobble and might be better than Whisler.

ohthosechisox
06-01-2009, 02:44 AM
I just arrived back home from a fantastic birthday trip to Kansas City where I was at the past two games. I don't think I could have received a much better birthday present than I did (from my family or the Sox, hah). This home stand looks to be very promising. :D:

DonnieDarko
06-01-2009, 04:13 AM
I wonder. Carrasco hasn't gotten much work in. When was the last time he pitched? I wonder when Ozzie plans to bring him in? >_>

Foulke You
06-01-2009, 12:42 PM
This home stand looks to be very promising. :D:
I'm very optimistic about this homestand too. However, the only thing that concerns me is the Athletics pitching staff is made up primarily of young pitchers we've never seen before. Our offensive approach has been much better lately so hopefully, we can cure ourselves of the "young pitcher curse" on this homestand.

DirtySox
06-01-2009, 12:50 PM
I'm very optimistic about this homestand too. However, the only thing that concerns me is the Athletics pitching staff is made up primarily of young pitchers we've never seen before. Our offensive approach has been much better lately so hopefully, we can cure ourselves of the "young pitcher curse" on this homestand.


Indeed. We face both Trevor Cahill and Brett Anderson in the Oakland series. They both were highly regarded prospects coming into the year, but haven't had much success. I'm predicting a turn around in our chances with unseen pitchers based on our success of late. Keeping my fingers crossed.

jej254
06-01-2009, 01:00 PM
I wonder. Carrasco hasn't gotten much work in. When was the last time he pitched? I wonder when Ozzie plans to bring him in? >_>

Monday he pitched two innings. When our pitchers go 6,7,8 innings like they have in the past week long relief really isnt needed.