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Frater Perdurabo
05-16-2009, 03:35 PM
More bloviating...

:angry:

Sockinchisox
05-16-2009, 03:36 PM
****ing awful.

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:36 PM
You must have had this thread ready to go before the game was over.

Baron
05-16-2009, 03:36 PM
this is just bad...offense is god awfull

DirtySox
05-16-2009, 03:36 PM
We sure are fighting for that cellar spot.

Frater Perdurabo
05-16-2009, 03:37 PM
You must have had this thread ready to go before the game was over.

Some thread titles just write themselves.

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:38 PM
We sure are fighting for that cellar spot.

We'll win that one!

Frater Perdurabo
05-16-2009, 03:38 PM
We sure are fighting for that cellar spot.

So, want to head over the "Minor Observations" to talk about the 2010 amateur draft?

Average Homeboy
05-16-2009, 03:39 PM
Tough loss today, Halladay tomorrow and Richmond at Monday. Dare I say sweep?

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:39 PM
I'm just glad its early. Gonna go play with the dog to cheer myself up.

Go get em tomorrow!

or is that

Go get em tomorrow?

johnnyg83
05-16-2009, 03:39 PM
Not Walker's fault. (teal)

KnightSox
05-16-2009, 03:39 PM
This is now becoming painful.

Woofer
05-16-2009, 03:39 PM
We sure are fighting for that cellar spot.

All part of this years plan to secure the best draft picks.

Baron
05-16-2009, 03:39 PM
Tough loss today, Halladay tomorrow and Richmond at Monday. Dare I say sweep?

You can say it

Tragg
05-16-2009, 03:40 PM
You go to your bench for a pinch hitter and you come up with Nix. How do you expect to win when that's all you have? The love this manager and management has for utility talent and organizational minor leaguers is bizarre. The roster's a joke.

Did Colon get hurt or something? Just wondering why he was lifted so early.

Soxman219
05-16-2009, 03:40 PM
Bad Times, another loss.:(::mad::angry:

Last place, here we come.

DirtySox
05-16-2009, 03:40 PM
We still need to worry about the 2009 draft! Pitching please. I would love Rex Brothers, James Paxton, Andy Oliver, or Eric Arnett. Too bad 2 of the 4 are Boras clients.

ode to veeck
05-16-2009, 03:40 PM
corpseball drops to a new low, we're not even stranding baserunners cause we ain't got any!

Frater Perdurabo
05-16-2009, 03:40 PM
Positives from today: Only 2.5 hours of our time was wasted.

Average Homeboy
05-16-2009, 03:40 PM
You can say it

Ok, thanks. :whiner:

getonbckthr
05-16-2009, 03:41 PM
This team is a ****ing joke. Thank god for the Hawks. Bears start in what 2 months?

LoveYourSuit
05-16-2009, 03:41 PM
All part of this years plan to secure the best draft picks.


Get the 1st pick and pick the 20th best talent because 1-19 are all Scott Boras clients. :tongue:

nsolo
05-16-2009, 03:41 PM
this is just bad...offense is god awfull

at least you're trying to be kind

Frater Perdurabo
05-16-2009, 03:42 PM
This team is a ****ing joke. Thank god for the Hawks. Bears start in what 2 months?

Jay Cutler!

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:42 PM
Tough loss today, Halladay tomorrow and Richmond at Monday. Dare I say sweep?

You never know. You remind me of a Royals fan named "High Mileage" that used to troll over here last year.

Frankfan4life
05-16-2009, 03:42 PM
Tough loss today, Halladay tomorrow and Richmond at Monday. Dare I say sweep?Suggestion for the BJays: Bring up two AA pitchers and save these guys for a major league team.

LoveYourSuit
05-16-2009, 03:42 PM
This team is ****ing joke. Thank god for the Hawks. Bears start in what 2 months?




Watch the Hawks, then countdown for Bears in pads (as MacNeil would say). Thank God for the Cutler pick up.

Soxman219
05-16-2009, 03:43 PM
Tough loss today, Halladay tomorrow and Richmond at Monday. Dare I say sweep?

100% positive we'll get swept. I hope I'm wrong but this team has no heart right now.

WhiteSoxOnly
05-16-2009, 03:43 PM
This team is so ****ed right now.I mean,the one scenario we
thought we still had going for us was getting the game and a
lead to the back end of our bullpen.Well that one just blew up
to.Most of us were saying a few days ago that we needed to
see how this club was doing in mid-June before deciding on
how Kenny would,or should,proceed with the rest of the season.
I wonder if HE will want to wait that long.

SoxandtheCityTee
05-16-2009, 03:43 PM
Bah-ru-tal. Having the lead was nice, but it was only one run. With the offense not clicking the pitching needs to be perfect.

Trying to shake off the bad-year vibe that keeps creeping over me. It would be nice to win ONE game in Toronto.

DirtySox
05-16-2009, 03:43 PM
We need to tank 2010 too so we can draft Bryce Harper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liS3kGvQ9Bk

Soxman219
05-16-2009, 03:44 PM
Why is that every time we play in Toronto we suck so bad?

LoveYourSuit
05-16-2009, 03:44 PM
Does it make any sense to make the Miller Park trip next month?

I have tix for the Friday game.

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:46 PM
Why is that every time we play in Toronto we suck so bad?

We've been sucking everywhere lately.

Woofer
05-16-2009, 03:46 PM
Why is that every time we play in Toronto we suck so bad?

Everywhere we play we suck so bad.

LITTLE NELL
05-16-2009, 03:46 PM
Does it make any sense to make the Miller Park trip next month?

I have tix for the Friday game.
Good German food up there.

WhiteSox5187
05-16-2009, 03:46 PM
Honest to God...what are the positives for this team? What reason for hope is there? The ONLY one I can think of is that it is May 16th. Other than that, there isn't a hell of a lot.

Walker NEEDS to go. I know that that won't really do anything, but SOMEONE needs to be held responsible for this.

billyvsox
05-16-2009, 03:47 PM
We still need to worry about the 2009 draft! Pitching please. I would love Rex Brothers, James Paxton, Andy Oliver, or Eric Arnett. Too bad 2 of the 4 are Boras clients.

The draft?? What's the difference who we draft, we never let play. Only the guys that Kenny trades for get to play (Lillibridge, Nix, Betemeit, Gobble, etc, etc, etc). Other organizations get their players up to the bis to play right away, (Longoria, Pedroia, all these pitchers that keep shutting us out, etc).

IMO we should bring up Beckham, Poreda, etc NOW!!

Soxman219
05-16-2009, 03:47 PM
We've been sucking everywhere lately.

I know:whiner:

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:47 PM
Does it make any sense to make the Miller Park trip next month?

I have tix for the Friday game.

Of course it does!

Average Homeboy
05-16-2009, 03:47 PM
You never know. You remind me of a Royals fan named "High Mileage" that used to troll over here last year.

Oh? Is that bad?
100% positive we'll get swept. I hope I'm wrong but this team has no heart right now.
Halladay is due for a bad outing, but of course that means nothing.

nsolo
05-16-2009, 03:48 PM
Why is that every time we play in Toronto we suck so bad?
Maybe its the same reason we suck in Kansas City, Texas, Minnesota, the West Coast....did I miss any?

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:48 PM
The draft?? What's the difference who we draft, we never let play. Only the guys that Kenny trades for get to play (Lillibridge, Nix, Betemeit, Gobble, etc, etc, etc). Other organizations get their players up to the bis to play right away, (Longoria, Pedroia, all these pitchers that keep shutting us out, etc).

IMO we should bring up Beckham, Poreda, etc NOW!!

You're just making stuff up now. Our draft guys have been busts. I don't think we traded to get Getz, either, did we?

Demps2
05-16-2009, 03:49 PM
this is bad. we get a break (error that leads to run) and great pitching by Colon and still lose. this team is horrible. I have no idea why KW said this team would win 90 games. just a pathetic way to sell hope to the fan base. I have no idea what to expect of the future either. this offense could be worse than 2007. :angry:

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:49 PM
Maybe its the same reason we suck in Kansas City, Texas, Minnesota, the West Coast....did I miss any?

Cleveland

LoveYourSuit
05-16-2009, 03:49 PM
Honest to God...what are the positives for this team? What reason for hope is there? The ONLY one I can think of is that it is May 16th. Other than that, there isn't a hell of a lot.

Walker NEEDS to go. I know that that won't really do anything, but SOMEONE needs to be held responsible for this.



I have tried to hold off on blaming one guy and instead hold the players accountable.... but it's to the point where you have to make a move just for the sake of making a move and change things around.

Meanwhile on the other side of the ball, keep your eye on Coop. The pitching has not been great and the inability of the staff to hold on runners the last 5-6 years is sickening.

WhiteSox5187
05-16-2009, 03:49 PM
Oh? Is that bad?

Halladay is due for a bad outing, but of course that means nothing.

A bad outting for Halladay is still enough to shut down most teams and it is CERTAINLY enough to shut down this team.

Colon evidently had a stomach issue (insert joke here). And Linebrink is awful.

Soxman219
05-16-2009, 03:50 PM
Maybe its the same reason we suck in Kansas City, Texas, Minnesota, the West Coast....did I miss any?

Boston, Baltimore, New York

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:50 PM
Boston, Baltimore, New York

Chicago

getonbckthr
05-16-2009, 03:50 PM
I dont really support firing a hitting coach cause these are major leaguers but if Walker is a sacrificial lamb then so be it.

nsolo
05-16-2009, 03:51 PM
Cleveland
Correct. More to be named later.:angry::angry:

WhiteSox5187
05-16-2009, 03:51 PM
I have tried to hold off on blaming one guy and instead hold the players accountable.... but it's to the point where you have to make a move just for the sake of making a move and change things around.

Meanwhile on the other side of the ball, keep your eye on Coop. The pitching has not been great and the inability of the staff to hold on runners the last 5-6 years is sickening.

True but Cooper has done a job of developing guys. Who the hell has Walker developed? Again, I think making change for change sake might make sense. Let guys know that heads will roll and they will be held accountable for a piss poor showing.

LoveYourSuit
05-16-2009, 03:55 PM
True but Cooper has done a job of developing guys. Who the hell has Walker developed? Again, I think making change for change sake might make sense. Let guys know that heads will roll and they will be held accountable for a piss poor showing.


One can say that Walker should get credit for Quentin and Alexei. Also Fields 2 minute of flash in 2007.

WhiteSox5187
05-16-2009, 03:55 PM
Even Rongey is advocating change. If Rongey is calling for change, I'd very nervous if I were Walker as Rongey is a fairly patient person.

DirtySox
05-16-2009, 03:55 PM
We just need to fire Southpaw similar to how the Rays fired Raymond after losing the world series.

getonbckthr
05-16-2009, 03:55 PM
One can say that Walker should get credit for Quentin and Alexei. Also Fields 2 minute of flash in 2007.
Quentin was a highly touted prospect. He was drafted in the 1st round and was only traded because Arizona has a bunch of outfielders.

WhiteSox5187
05-16-2009, 03:56 PM
One can say that Walker should get credit for Quentin and Alexei. Also Fields 2 minute of flash in 2007.

Eh, Quentin was considered a can't miss guy, he just stayed healthy for a season. As for Alexei, I don't know. Maybe.

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:57 PM
Even Rongey is advocating change. If Rongey is calling for change, I'd very nervous if I were Walker as Rongey is a fairly patient person.

I didn't think he had the power to influence changes on the team though

WhiteSox5187
05-16-2009, 03:57 PM
We just need to fire Southpaw similar to how the Rays fired Raymond after losing the world series.

Southpaw is one of the few guys who does his job every night on this team.

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:58 PM
We just need to fire Southpaw similar to how the Rays fired Raymond after losing the world series.

No!!! Southpaw needs to travel with them and jinx the pitcher in the TOP of the 5th on the road..

WhiteSox5187
05-16-2009, 03:58 PM
I didn't think he had the power to influence changes on the team though

No, but if Rongey is calling for change I would speculate that others in the organization are starting to call for it. Or at least grumble about it.

Frankfan4life
05-16-2009, 03:58 PM
We just need to fire Southpaw similar to how the Rays fired Raymond after losing the world series.:redneck

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 03:59 PM
Even my lucky sweatshirt didn't help today. I'm kinda glad cuz it would be awfully uncomfortable on the 90 degree days

SOXSINCE'70
05-16-2009, 03:59 PM
Colon evidently had a stomach issue (insert joke here)

He just couldn't stand to watch the final 4 innings of this horse ****.:anon:

SBSoxFan
05-16-2009, 03:59 PM
You can't expect your bullpen to cover 4 innings every game, especially when the offense gives no margin for error.

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 04:00 PM
No, but if Rongey is calling for change I would speculate that others in the organization are starting to call for it. Or at least grumble about it.

I hope someone on the club is as frustrated as the fans.

WhiteSox5187
05-16-2009, 04:02 PM
I hope someone on the club is as frustrated as the fans.

I'm sure everyone is, but my point is that I think the idea of "change for change's sake" might be becoming a popular idea amongst the front office.

Quentin is going to be re-evaluated. He might be the sort of guy who just can't stay healthy.

DirtySox
05-16-2009, 04:03 PM
Colon evidently had a stomach issue (insert joke here).

Was this mentioned on the post game?

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 04:04 PM
Was this mentioned on the post game?

Yeah. That's why he came out early.

DrCrawdad
05-16-2009, 04:06 PM
I hope someone on the club is as frustrated as the fans.

If Kenny Williams is in Toronto perhaps he should kick the buffet table over. Or better yet, kick 25 guys and the coaching staff in the (rear).

EnglishChiSox
05-16-2009, 04:07 PM
Cleveland

Chicago.

Dibbs
05-16-2009, 04:08 PM
I had a horrible, horrible feeling coming into this season. Kenny had a very bad offseason. For me, the losses don't hurt so bad when you know the team stinks.

EnglishChiSox
05-16-2009, 04:08 PM
I'm sure everyone is, but my point is that I think the idea of "change for change's sake" might be becoming a popular idea amongst the front office.

Quentin is going to be re-evaluated. He might be the sort of guy who just can't stay healthy.

Firing Walker probably won't do anything technically but it might light a fire under the 'arrises of the hitters, this isn't a mass slump, none of them are having consistent good at bats.

DrCrawdad
05-16-2009, 04:10 PM
I had a horrible, horrible feeling coming into this season. Kenny had a very bad offseason. For me, the losses don't hurt so bad when you know the team stinks.

I was very disappointed that KW did absolutely nothing to bolster the BP.

WhiteSox5187
05-16-2009, 04:12 PM
Firing Walker probably won't do anything technically but it might light a fire under the 'arrises of the hitters, this isn't a mass slump, none of them are having consistent good at bats.

that's really the only reason I would fire him. I don't think that there will be much of a change, but at least someone is held responsible.

DirtySox
05-16-2009, 04:13 PM
He has already received two dreaded votes of confidence. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the sacrificial lamb.

DrCrawdad
05-16-2009, 04:16 PM
He has already received two dreaded votes of confidence. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the sacrificial lamb.

The Sox probably wouldn't outright fire Walker. They'll offer him a batting coach position somewhere in the organization.

sunofgold
05-16-2009, 04:26 PM
So close. Just had to get through that 8th. We didn't. We have to win a game in Toronto. The good news is that these are our last two games against Toronto this season.

I would put Quentin on the 15 day DL. Let the injury completely heal. BA is coming back soon. Guess that move would spare Lilli a trip to Charlotte.

michned
05-16-2009, 05:05 PM
The Sox probably wouldn't outright fire Walker. They'll offer him a batting coach position somewhere in the organization.

I don't know, the Sox organization is loyal to a fault, and I can't imagine them even reassigning Walker.

But if we have another six weeks of this, I'm totally in favor of trading off some of our older, one-dimensional parts.

WhiteSox5187
05-16-2009, 05:06 PM
So close. Just had to get through that 8th. We didn't. We have to win a game in Toronto. The good news is that these are our last two games against Toronto this season.

I would put Quentin on the 15 day DL. Let the injury completely heal. BA is coming back soon. Guess that move would spare Lilli a trip to Charlotte.

Really the real good news is that the Hawks play tomorrow.

sunofgold
05-16-2009, 05:07 PM
Upset stomach? Did he eat too much before the game? He was pitching well through five. Couldn't he taken some Pepto?

LoveYourSuit
05-16-2009, 05:09 PM
Really the real good news is that the Hawks play tomorrow.


You would have told me this in the Spring that we would all be looking forward to Hawks hockey in the middle of May over Sox baseball.... I would have called you nuts.


But damn, that's where we are at.

Let's all hope the Hawks give us a loooooong and exciting series here so we can keep our minds away from our bad baseball team.

LoveYourSuit
05-16-2009, 05:11 PM
Upset stomach? Did he eat too much before the game? He was pitching well through five. Couldn't he taken some Pepto?

His velocity was kind of down and the Jays were putting good wood on some of the shots. But he did give us one hell of an effort.

I think Colon is out there on pure guts, his arm does not look 100% yet.

Thatguyoverthere
05-16-2009, 05:17 PM
Good lord we ****ing suck. When's 2010?

Rdy2PlayBall
05-16-2009, 05:36 PM
Good news in the Sox pen is still LIGHTS OUT. No teal, who cares about the two runs, they are bound to come some time. This loss is ALL on the offense. You can't lose game 2-1, that is just pathetic. The Jays have a really good offense... Sox pitching did their job.

johnnyg83
05-16-2009, 05:44 PM
19 runs in the last 7 games. Take out the one 7 run game and it's 12 runs in the last six.

That's one crappy week of offense. I'm shocked we won two of those games.

DumpJerry
05-16-2009, 06:19 PM
This was the first time since 2007 the Sox had a lead in a game in Toronto.


Whoop dee dooo.:angry:

palehozenychicty
05-16-2009, 06:47 PM
We got five draft picks. They really need to count and bolster the organizatlonal depth. This team looks baked.

AnkleSox
05-16-2009, 06:51 PM
I didn't even bother to watch the game, I was going to try to avoid everything about this team until they got out of Toronto. However, I broke down and checked their website to see that they lost 2-1. And it didn't surprise me at all.

What a ****ing joke this team is.

Viva Medias B's
05-16-2009, 06:57 PM
I am @ work and got spared this debacle; was the Ranger's postgame show epic?

Meanwhile, I see Ozzie being too loyal to Walker for the latter being fired. Of course, Jauron was loyal to Shoop and look how that turned out.

Iron Dragon2
05-16-2009, 07:28 PM
Firing Walker will do absolutely nothing. The people that need to be fired are the ones who swing for the fences every AB, can't move runners over, can't bunt, can't hit, etc. etc.

soxfan21
05-16-2009, 07:44 PM
I am just getting sick and tired of seeing no fight in this team whatsoever. It seems like when we get down in a game it is a loss no matter what. Even in games that we have had the lead in, no one seems excited about it. Something has to be done, and hopefully soon.

sunofgold
05-16-2009, 07:52 PM
Among the players. Somebody on this team has to get off and set off. Maybe AJ could do that. Show some emotion.

Paulie, Dye, and Thome are three of the quietest guys that you will probably ever meet. haha!

I don't know. There is nothing else that we can do. Hope somebody on the team goes off. haha! That won't necessarily do the trick anyway, especially if nobody on the team pays attention. haha!

ChiSoxFan81
05-16-2009, 07:54 PM
About time to start the countdown to Cutler's debut.

It's Dankerific
05-16-2009, 07:56 PM
On May 15, 1952, The Chicago White Sox were 15-14.

No need to worry!!!

russ99
05-16-2009, 08:12 PM
I was very disappointed that KW did absolutely nothing to bolster the <fill in position here>

Ok, I know we're overreacting a little, since the Sox look totally lifeless and it always sucks to lose a lead in the bottom of the 8th. And this does look a lot like 2007, since the series vs. Toronto and Minnesota were the beginning of the end.

But you're right about one thing, the fans need to have some hope and see some effort, and most of us don't see any of either. Hopefully Kenny does something about it this time instead of standing pat like in '07.

As for Walker, this is the 3rd year in a row with similar issues by many different hitters. And you can say the players are not executing, but it's the same issue of poor at-bats with little adjustment and seemingly no preparation, so the onus has to be on the coaching staff for not addressing these things.

I know Greg is a well-regarded former player, a member of the Sox family and a friend of Ozzie and Kenny, but you have to be accountable sometimes.

rickytickytockyk
05-16-2009, 08:47 PM
Copied and pasted from MLB.com.....I love this guy`s fire and can feel his pain !!

Sox once again came prepared to lose. There is no fire and pitchers don't fear our ballclub, heck even I want one start against the Sox so I could pitch 8 solid innings of shut out ball and then retire with the best ERA in baseball history and a win. We get pitched inside to all the time, our batters get hit take first and the next guy gets piched in as well breaks his bat and gets doubled up. You want to show some fire and show your fans you care that your playing poorly charge the mound and throw a haymaker. Get Thome out there and start dropping some fists. Nice guys are great and we have a team full of them but let these pitchers know that they best watch next time they go inside. Then you'll see the walks and runs go up. I don't even care if it's Lillibridge going out to the mound and going all Lollipop guild on the pitchers chest while sing "We welcome you to Munchkin Land". Better yet buy me a two way ticket to Toronto and I'll start hitting batters one after the other, or if you'd like I'll charge the mound even if the picher throws me a strike. We need something to talk about in the clubhouse because we are not a close knit group.......yet. Also our offensive half innings will last longer than 1 minute.

I laughed my butt off at the ` munchkin land ` thing !!!!

Tragg
05-16-2009, 09:53 PM
And there would have been nothing wrong had LInebrink done his job this afternoon. When part of the team is struggling, the other part needs to pick it up.
This is his 2nd blown game of the season- that's too many.
Good teams win 1-0 games; good teams can also win 10-9 games when the pitching isn't there.

JB98
05-16-2009, 10:10 PM
A bad outting for Halladay is still enough to shut down most teams and it is CERTAINLY enough to shut down this team.

Colon evidently had a stomach issue (insert joke here). And Linebrink is awful.

Linebrink is awful? Nonsense, check his game logs.

Linebrink is unscored upon in 11 of 13 outings this year. That's pretty good. He's had two rough ones, both against Toronto. Perhaps the Blue Jays just have his number.

When healthy, Linebrink has been so solid since he has put on a Sox uniform. Yet people here just hate him. I don't get it. Do you want to go back to the 2007 bullpen with Ryan Bukvich, Dewon Day, Mike MacDougal and Ehren Wassermann?

JB98
05-16-2009, 10:14 PM
I was very disappointed that KW did absolutely nothing to bolster the BP.

Your anger is misdirected. The Sox bullpen is the envy of the division. No one can match the foursome of Jenks, Linebrink, Thornton and Dotel.

There are two reasons the Sox are 15-20:
1. The offense is absolute ****ing horse****.
2. We lack starting pitchers that can go more than five innings.

There's a lot of pressure on this bullpen. And I mean A LOT. They have no margin for error. They have to pitch four or five innings every day.

I think the bullpen has held up well all things considered. The bullpen is the STRENGTH of this team.

johnnyg83
05-16-2009, 10:31 PM
I know firing Walker won't change everything, but someone has to take the blame. And he's done nothing to warrant his job.

Clearly, the White Sox approach vs. good, bad, and unknown pitchers has not worked. So if the coach can't be responsible, why even waste the money on him?

Don't even have a batting coach if he can't be blamed for 6 shoutouts in 35 games and awful BAs and not having improved a single hitter since he's been here.

He may not be the reason we suck, but he's not the reason we're good.

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 10:36 PM
I know firing Walker won't change everything, but someone has to take the blame. And he's done nothing to warrant his job.

Clearly, the White Sox approach vs. good, bad, and unknown pitchers has not worked. So if the coach can't be responsible, why even waste the money on him?

Don't even have a batting coach if he can't be blamed for 6 shoutouts in 35 games and awful BAs and not having improved a single hitter since he's been here.

He may not be the reason we suck, but he's not the reason we're good.

We're not good

johnnyg83
05-16-2009, 10:40 PM
We're not good

Sorry that was poorly phrased,m but my point is he's not the guy making things happen.

Let's break it down to business, he's the guy in charge of a division that's among the worst in the industry. He may work hard and he may be a nice guy, but stockholders don't give a **** about that. They want results and his leadership whether his fault, or bad luck or whatever doesn't matter. He has not succeeded in his job.

JB98
05-16-2009, 10:43 PM
Sorry that was poorly phrased,m but my point is he's not the guy making things happen.

Let's break it down to business, he's the guy in charge of a division that's among the worst in the industry. He may work hard and he may be a nice guy, but stockholders don't give a **** about that. They want results and his leadership whether his fault, or bad luck or whatever doesn't matter. He has not succeeded in his job.

I don't know that firing Walker would make any difference, but maybe the hitters would feel some sense of shame if a man lost his job because of them.

These hitters ought to be ashamed of themselves. Eighteen of 35 games with fewer than three runs scored. They were a Blue Jays error away from being shut out again today.

Lots of pitchers seem to get their first MLB win against the Sox. At least two have already this season.

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 10:46 PM
I don't know that firing Walker would make any difference, but maybe the hitters would feel some sense of shame if a man lost his job because of them.

These hitters ought to be ashamed of themselves. Eighteen of 35 games with fewer than three runs scored. They were a Blue Jays error away from being shut out again today.

Lots of pitchers seem to get their first MLB win against the Sox. At least two have already this season.

And that's the second time that's happened this year if you count that 1 run game when we scored on the wild pitch vs the Rangers

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 10:48 PM
Sorry that was poorly phrased,m but my point is he's not the guy making things happen.

Let's break it down to business, he's the guy in charge of a division that's among the worst in the industry. He may work hard and he may be a nice guy, but stockholders don't give a **** about that. They want results and his leadership whether his fault, or bad luck or whatever doesn't matter. He has not succeeded in his job.

I know what you meant. I was just giving you a hard time

DirtySox
05-16-2009, 11:05 PM
BA likely to rejoin Sox on Tuesday (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-17-white-sox-bits-chicago-may17,0,1923756.story)

At the bottom.

ChiSoxGirl
05-16-2009, 11:22 PM
I was downtown at the Walk Now for Autism 5K today and didn't remember 'til almost 3:15p that the Sox had a noon game. As we were on our way home from a late lunch at Portillo's, I mentioned to my friend that we probably lost already. Sure enough, I flipped on 670 when I got back to my car and Rongey was on talking about another damn loss. :angry:

I'm writing the TBGR tomorrow and have YET to write a winner. Something tells me tomorrow's game isn't going to be the one to break the streak. :mad:

It's Dankerific
05-16-2009, 11:25 PM
BA likely to rejoin Sox on Tuesday (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-17-white-sox-bits-chicago-may17,0,1923756.story)

At the bottom.

Horse****.

JB98
05-16-2009, 11:29 PM
Horse****.

Although I do not hold Anderson in the same high regard that you do, I am curious as to why they are waiting until Tuesday.

Anderson is a better player than Lillibridge. If he's healthy, bring him up.

october23sp
05-16-2009, 11:38 PM
Soo ugh we suck huh?

NLaloosh
05-16-2009, 11:39 PM
You can bet on the same headline tomorrow.

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 11:47 PM
Soo ugh we suck huh?

Shh.. don't tell the little kids.

I used to tell mine they were just practice games, if the Sox were losing real bad. Didn't take long for them to catch on though!

It's Dankerific
05-16-2009, 11:48 PM
Although I do not hold Anderson in the same high regard that you do, I am curious as to why they are waiting until Tuesday.

Anderson is a better player than Lillibridge. If he's healthy, bring him up.

I'd also maybe understand if BA was 0 fer, or whatever. but he's .500, with a triple. that means he can swing the bat AND run. we are also VERY THIN at the moment. what the issue is? who knows with this group of "management"

SoxGirl4Life
05-16-2009, 11:49 PM
I'd also maybe understand if BA was 0 fer, or whatever. but he's .500, with a triple. that means he can swing the bat AND run. we are also VERY THIN at the moment. what the issue is? who knows with this group of "management"

Maybe he just doesn't want to go to Canada! :tongue:

oeo
05-16-2009, 11:50 PM
Linebrink is awful? Nonsense, check his game logs.

Linebrink is unscored upon in 11 of 13 outings this year. That's pretty good. He's had two rough ones, both against Toronto. Perhaps the Blue Jays just have his number.

When healthy, Linebrink has been so solid since he has put on a Sox uniform. Yet people here just hate him. I don't get it. Do you want to go back to the 2007 bullpen with Ryan Bukvich, Dewon Day, Mike MacDougal and Ehren Wassermann?

I wouldn't say he's hated, but the Linebrink now is still not the same one from the first half last year. He's not as pinpoint, and I'd say even his stuff has taken a hit, especially his fastball. He scares the **** out of me now.

cheezheadsoxfan
05-16-2009, 11:51 PM
Linebrink is awful? Nonsense, check his game logs.

Linebrink is unscored upon in 11 of 13 outings this year. That's pretty good. He's had two rough ones, both against Toronto. Perhaps the Blue Jays just have his number.

When healthy, Linebrink has been so solid since he has put on a Sox uniform. Yet people here just hate him. I don't get it. Do you want to go back to the 2007 bullpen with Ryan Bukvich, Dewon Day, Mike MacDougal and Ehren Wassermann?

:shocked: Shudder!!

Tragg
05-16-2009, 11:54 PM
Walker probably doesn't deserve to be fired in the sense that this is his fault or he's done a bad job; but so what.
They need to make some changes. Coaches get fired.
And this coaching staff needs some fresh blood anyway. Let's get some new thinking and new ideas in here instead of everything the world according to Ozzie Guillen.

And on a side note failure to bunt or "move runners up" is not one of the problems; you need to put runners on for that to be relevant. Further, intentionally making outs is probably not a good idea with this lineup and this supporting pitching staff.

Linebrink enters the game most of the time in a fresh inning with no one on base. He's not put in difficult sitautions, except for the ones he creates himself.

kitekrazy
05-16-2009, 11:59 PM
I was very disappointed that KW did absolutely nothing to bolster the <fill in position here>

Ok, I know we're overreacting a little, since the Sox look totally lifeless and it always sucks to lose a lead in the bottom of the 8th. And this does look a lot like 2007, since the series vs. Toronto and Minnesota were the beginning of the end.

But you're right about one thing, the fans need to have some hope and see some effort, and most of us don't see any of either. Hopefully Kenny does something about it this time instead of standing pat like in '07.

As for Walker, this is the 3rd year in a row with similar issues by many different hitters. And you can say the players are not executing, but it's the same issue of poor at-bats with little adjustment and seemingly no preparation, so the onus has to be on the coaching staff for not addressing these things.

I know Greg is a well-regarded former player, a member of the Sox family and a friend of Ozzie and Kenny, but you have to be accountable sometimes.


I don't think there's much Kenny can do to save this season. At best maybe win a weak division and a quick exit in the playoffs. I don't care for that.

Any trade will be out of desperation and create another hole that will take years to fill.

Expect this year to suck and get use to it.

guillensdisciple
05-17-2009, 12:13 AM
Once Brian Anderson returns, the White Sox will go on a winning streak. Just you watch.

Nellie_Fox
05-17-2009, 01:31 AM
Once Brian Anderson returns, the White Sox will go on a winning streak. Just you watch.Yeah, that's all it will take. Anderson was on pace for an MVP season before he got hurt.

Seriously, he was doing okay, but he wasn't setting the world on fire. You guys have to stop over-selling him. That's what causes the backlash.

kittle42
05-17-2009, 02:00 AM
Yeah, that's all it will take. Anderson was on pace for an MVP season before he got hurt.

Seriously, he was doing okay, but he wasn't setting the world on fire. You guys have to stop over-selling him. That's what causes the backlash.


Let 'em have their fun, Nellie - that's probably about all this season will be good for.

JB98
05-17-2009, 02:16 AM
I wouldn't say he's hated, but the Linebrink now is still not the same one from the first half last year. He's not as pinpoint, and I'd say even his stuff has taken a hit, especially his fastball. He scares the **** out of me now.

He's still been effective far more often than not. People here have talked themselves into the idea that Linebrink is not healthy, and they start howling at the moon every time he gives up a hit.

Seriously, we've had far worse relief pitchers. Far, far worse.

Foulke You
05-17-2009, 02:51 AM
This team just isn't very fun to watch right now. The starting pitching has struggled but the obvious huge contribution to that struggle has been our inept offense. Our pitchers feel like they have to pitch a shutout to get the win. That isn't a good place mentally for a pitcher to be so it is no surprise that our guys seem to get in trouble with the base on balls. This especially seems evident with the still young Gavin Floyd and John Danks. By far the most insane thing on this 2009 team is that Sox pitchers have managed to get WORSE at holding baserunners than they did in 2008! The scouting report is out now that you can run all day on Sox pitching. I'm surprised more teams don't take advantage. 2 for 37 in throwing out runners! In all my years watching baseball, I've never seen a team so bad at catching base stealers.

Right now, I don't see how things can get any worse. Let's run down the list:

-Not one single hitter is hot in the lineup
-Contreras is in AAA Charlotte learning to throw a forkball again
-Our two starting CFs are on the DL
-Our MVP from 2008 might be headed to the DL (Quentin)
-Thome is nursing sore heels
-Alexei Ramirez has forgotten how to hit
-Josh Fields has switched to #7 and his ABs have started to resemble the guy who used to wear that number
-We can't throw out a runner to save our lives
-We can't steal a base to save our lives (except for that one Pods got today)
-When we lose, we usually get blown to smithereens making for a lot of boring games
-We can't come from behind because all leads are insurmountable with this offense lately

I wouldn't have believed this list if someone had told me all of this would happen before mid-May. The fact that we are only 5 under .500 and only 4 games out is a miracle and is the only reason I have hope that we can somehow turn this thing around. The team has to start hitting sooner or later and I just hope it isn't after we drop 12 games out of 1st place.:(:

WhiteSox5187
05-17-2009, 03:07 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last game we won was when Corky Miller was behind the plate, no? And that night he was wearing stirrups. And I believe he got a hit that night.

The solution to me seems obvious, everyone must wear stirrups. We might still lose, but we'd go down looking classy!

4 points
05-17-2009, 07:16 AM
One can say that Walker should get credit for Quentin and Alexei. Also Fields 2 minute of flash in 2007.

On the Josh Fields front, it was`nt Walkers fault they started testing for steroids in earnest in 2008.:gulp:

SoxGirl4Life
05-17-2009, 07:39 AM
On the Josh Fields front, it was`nt Walkers fault they started testing for steroids in earnest in 2008.:gulp:

Well, that's an unfair accusation

Frater Perdurabo
05-17-2009, 07:47 AM
I agree with JB that the bullpen has been solid.

What happens, though, when the bullpen gets overused?

Unless Danks and Floyd specifically figure it out and start going at least six innings per start, I predict the bullpen also will implode.

Risk
05-17-2009, 07:59 AM
On the Josh Fields front, it was`nt Walkers fault they started testing for steroids in earnest in 2008.:gulp:

:rolleyes:

Risk

russ99
05-17-2009, 12:36 PM
Well, that's an unfair accusation

Not only that, but really how high are your expecations of Fields? He's done about as well as I expected. And all the hitters are scuffling, so why single him out?

JB98
05-17-2009, 02:02 PM
I agree with JB that the bullpen has been solid.

What happens, though, when the bullpen gets overused?

Unless Danks and Floyd specifically figure it out and start going at least six innings per start, I predict the bullpen also will implode.

Carrasco's arm is going to fall off pretty soon. I think he has been doing great work, eating up innings and saving the team from having to overuse the big four.

But, yes, at some point the inability of the starters to get deep in games is going to back up on the bullpen as a whole.

guillensdisciple
05-17-2009, 02:10 PM
Yeah, that's all it will take. Anderson was on pace for an MVP season before he got hurt.

Seriously, he was doing okay, but he wasn't setting the world on fire. You guys have to stop over-selling him. That's what causes the backlash.


Let 'em have their fun, Nellie - that's probably about all this season will be good for.


Honestly, I don't get the point of being a pessimist right now. I understand what this team is going through, and I understand the shortcomings of this team. For that reason, I have to find hope in things, otherwise I will just kill myself (not really, but you guys know what I mean).