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Dice
05-14-2009, 09:09 AM
If only the baseball gods can be so kind.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/05/diamondbacks-trade-candidates.html

Felipe Lopez, 2B - $2.77MM remaining in '09. Lopez picked up where he left off with the Cardinals - .328/.390/.504 in 146 plate appearances this year. He's even been above average defensively, according to UZR (http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=0&season=2009&month=0). Lopez is represented by Scott Boras and is only 29, so he's primed for a big free agent contract. He could be a useful addition for the White Sox or Twins.

Madvora
05-14-2009, 09:11 AM
A second baseman? Why would we need that?

MeteorsSox4367
05-14-2009, 09:19 AM
Can he take Contreras' spot in the rotation?

ChiSoxFan81
05-14-2009, 09:19 AM
One word: Boras

asindc
05-14-2009, 09:25 AM
A second baseman? Why would we need that?

Exactly. Unless he can pitch, the Sox don't need him.

Noneck
05-14-2009, 09:51 AM
A 2nd base rent a player? Forget about it.

kittle42
05-14-2009, 09:54 AM
This most certainly would solve nothing.

oeo
05-14-2009, 10:05 AM
This most certainly would solve nothing.

Sure it would. Don't you know, Getz has gone 0 for his last 11, and his average has dropped nearly 40 points because of it. It's all over for him!

Dice
05-14-2009, 10:24 AM
This most certainly would solve nothing.

So you don't want a guy who's better than any second baseman you got on your roster and a legit lead-off hitter?

asindc
05-14-2009, 10:27 AM
So you don't want a guy who's better than any second baseman you got on your roster and a legit lead-off hitter?

Not for close to $3 million this year. He isn't a significant enough upgrade to pay that kind of money and disrupt the integration of Getz into the lineup.

oeo
05-14-2009, 10:31 AM
So you don't want a guy who's better than any second baseman you got on your roster

What makes him better? A few good months after a pretty meh career?

That's just what we need, another high strikeout guy. Getz will be fine.

and a legit lead-off hitter?

False.

Sockinchisox
05-14-2009, 11:41 AM
This is a stupid idea, no. We don't need him, please remember this guy was released by the Nationals late last season and had a good couple months with the Cardinals.

Zisk77
05-14-2009, 12:05 PM
Cardinal fans hated him for his lackadaisacal (or however u spell it) play.

khan
05-14-2009, 12:43 PM
It is true that Lopez has been lazy at times. He has also does not take a lot of walks. He has been reputed to also take his failures at the plate into the field. He is not known as a defensive specialist, though he is versatile defensively.

However, he HAS played 3rd and SS previously. When he was in Cincinnati, he played almost exclusively at SS. So when imagining him on the SOX, I wouldn't look at him as a 2nd baseman alone. He could be an improved utility guy over Betemit, or a player to push Fields or Ramirez at 3rd or SS.

Offensively, he's hit as many as 23 HR, and stolen as many bases as 44 in previous years. So there is decidedly some potential on the offensive side of his game. His OPS in the past 3 years have been: 739, 660, and 730. [869 this year, but IMO, that's a statistical outlier.] I think he's also a switch-hitter as well, if memory serves.

Just thought I'd share what I know about this guy. [He'd been in my fantasy team when I used to have time to play fantasy baseball.]

thomas35forever
05-14-2009, 01:17 PM
One word: Boras
Exactly. If KW didn't want to deal with him anymore, there's no reason to believe we'll see Lopez in a White Sox uniform soon.

CWSpalehoseCWS
05-14-2009, 01:24 PM
This would make no sense IMO. Plus with Boras, I can't see the Sox doing this anytime soon.

Sargeant79
05-14-2009, 01:51 PM
This would make no sense IMO. Plus with Boras, I can't see the Sox doing this anytime soon.

I agree that it would not make any sense, but Boras wouldn't be the reason why. Boras would be the reason the Sox wouldn't sign him in the offseason, but he wouldn't be something that prevents us from trading for Lopez.

getonbckthr
05-14-2009, 02:08 PM
If we are talking to Arizona it better involve names like Upton, Haren, Garland and Byrnes. In the last 2 cases lots of money coming along as well.

Nellie_Fox
05-15-2009, 01:55 AM
Cardinal fans hated him for his lackadaisacal (or however u spell it) play.You were closer on "lackadaisical" than you were on "you."

oeo
05-15-2009, 09:43 AM
If we are talking to Arizona it better involve names like Upton, Haren, Garland and Byrnes. In the last 2 cases lots of money coming along as well.

In the first two cases, why would they do that? In the last two cases, why would we do that? I want nothing to do with Garland or Byrnes, pitching/outfield problems or no pitching/outfield problems. Too much money for too little results.

Besides, we shouldn't be buying anyone unless we absolutely no for sure that it's going put us over the top. I really don't want to trade the farm away again.

AZChiSoxFan
05-15-2009, 11:07 AM
This most certainly would solve nothing.

Gotta love WSI. Virtually every time it's suggested to bring in anyone, that suggestion is followed by about 100 responses of either "he sucks", "this helps nothing", blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, night after night the Sox run out a lineup with some combination of Lillibridge, Fields, Corky, Owens, etc. For goodness sake, people can't wait to have BA back in the lineup! As if that isn't bad enough, 3.5 nights out of 5, the Sox throw out a starter who you pretty much know won't make it through the 5th inning.

Prime example of this was the discussion here this past offseason on Willy Taveras. After reading the threads on him, I figured he was worse than Joe Borchard. Yeah, I guess the Reds really regret picking him up.

asindc
05-15-2009, 11:30 AM
Gotta love WSI. Virtually every time it's suggested to bring in anyone, that suggestion is followed by about 100 responses of either "he sucks", "this helps nothing", blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, night after night the Sox run out a lineup with some combination of Lillibridge, Fields, Corky, Owens, etc. For goodness sake, people can't wait to have BA back in the lineup! As if that isn't bad enough, 3.5 nights out of 5, the Sox throw out a starter who you pretty much know won't make it through the 5th inning.

Prime example of this was the discussion here this past offseason on Willy Taveras. After reading the threads on him, I figured he was worse than Joe Borchard. Yeah, I guess the Reds really regret picking him up.

Unlike the Taveras suggestion, however, Lopez plays a position that the Sox are already strong at and does not leadoff well enough to pay him $3 million to put Getz on the bench. While others might have said he sucks, I just think it would be pointless given his strengths and the Sox team strengths overlap.

khan
05-15-2009, 11:43 AM
Unlike the Taveras suggestion, however, Lopez plays a position that the Sox are already strong at and does not leadoff well enough to pay him $3 million to put Getz on the bench. While others might have said he sucks, I just think it would be pointless given his strengths and the Sox team strengths overlap.

Um... As I posted previously, he has played every infield position except for catcher and 1st. So bear in mind that he's not "solely" a 2nd baseman. He's played 3rd and SS as well. Offensively, he's better than Fields, and defensively, I'm pretty sure he's better than Fields as well.

oeo
05-15-2009, 12:29 PM
Um... As I posted previously, he has played every infield position except for catcher and 1st. So bear in mind that he's not "solely" a 2nd baseman. He's played 3rd and SS as well. Offensively, he's better than Fields, and defensively, I'm pretty sure he's better than Fields as well.

Correction: he's better than Fields offensively this year. Lopez hasn't shown to be a very good offensive player over his career. Oh, and he's been nothing but an error machine in his career at third base. He's not even a good defender, period.

He's certainly not that type of guy that you buy high on. You're willing to pay this guy $2.77 million and give up talent to acquire him? I'm not. Maybe he could be a marginal improvement for a little bit, but that's not worth it.

Britt Burns
05-15-2009, 12:29 PM
Boras+White Sox=never going to happen, even if we needed a guy like him (which we don't). Pitching, pitching, pitching.

oeo
05-15-2009, 12:33 PM
Boras+White Sox=never going to happen, even if we needed a guy like him (which we don't). Pitching, pitching, pitching.

Boras is a moot point as Lopez is already under contract.

khan
05-15-2009, 01:33 PM
Correction: he's better than Fields offensively this year. Lopez hasn't shown to be a very good offensive player over his career.
Are you sure?

Lopez [OPS/HR/SB/K]
2009: .869/4/4 [25 K]
2008: .730/6/8[82K]
2007: .660/9/24 [109 k]
2006: .730/11/44 [126 K]
2005: .838/23/15 [111 K]
Career OPS: .731

Fields [OPS/HR/SB/K]
2009: .657/2/0 [39 K, en route to 195 K in 150 games!]
2008: .417/0/0 [17 K, admittedly injury-shortened]
2007: .788/23/1 [125 K in 100 games]
Career OPS: .736

While Lopez has matched Fields' career highs in HR, Fields will NEVER steal 44 bases. At the same time, Fields will ALWAYS strike out a ****-ton more. Lopez is also a switch-hitter.

Oh, and he's been nothing but an error machine in his career at third base. He's not even a good defender, period.
I don't dispute this. But he's no worse than Josh Fields. And unlike Fields, he's played at more spots than Fields could ever hope to play.

He's certainly not that type of guy that you buy high on. You're willing to pay this guy $2.77 million and give up talent to acquire him? I'm not. Maybe he could be a marginal improvement for a little bit, but that's not worth it.
I don't disagree with this. I'm only pointing out a few things:

1. He's not "just" a 2nd baseman.
2. Offensively, he's better than our current 3rd baseman, SS [right now], and utility IF.
3. Defensively, he's at least equal to the current 3rd baseman, and is more versatile.

He's not a cornerstone to ANY franchise, by any means. But to say that he's not a better player and not more versatile than Fields or Betemit is inaccurate.

balke
05-15-2009, 06:09 PM
I'd take him at 3B or SS right now. He played some SS for the Cards. Wouldn't hurt this team right now to stock up on utility.