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DumpJerry
05-12-2009, 01:52 PM
May 5, 2008, the White Sox' record was 14- 17
Today, May 12, 2009, the White Sox' record is 14-17.

Can everyone take a nice deep breath now?

Thank you.

jabrch
05-12-2009, 02:01 PM
Can everyone take a nice deep breath now?




No.

palehozenychicty
05-12-2009, 02:01 PM
Thank you.

WhiteSox5187
05-12-2009, 02:02 PM
May 5, 2008, the White Sox' record was 14- 17
Today, May 12, 2009, the White Sox' record is 14-17.

Can everyone take a nice deep breath now?

Thank you.

This time last year the team just wasn't hitting and was wasting stellar pitching. As of right now we aren't hitting or pitching. Unless that turns around fast, you can take all the deep breaths you want but it won't help the damned team. People will calm down when they start playing up to their potential. The only thing this team has going for it now is the fact that it's May 12, and that's not exactly something to hang your hat on.

Rohan
05-12-2009, 02:03 PM
May 5, 2008, the White Sox' record was 14- 17
Today, May 12, 2009, the White Sox' record is 14-17.

Can everyone take a nice deep breath now?

Thank you.

Quoted for emphasis.

ChiSoxFan81
05-12-2009, 02:04 PM
May 5, 2008, the White Sox' record was 14- 17
Today, May 12, 2009, the White Sox' record is 14-17.

Can everyone take a nice deep breath now?

Thank you.

Stop telling lies. We were 15-16 after 31 games last year.

Iwritecode
05-12-2009, 02:09 PM
Stop telling lies. We were 15-16 after 31 games last year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2008-schedule-scores.shtml

JB98
05-12-2009, 02:09 PM
The Sox will get the bats going eventually. I just hope they can find some pitching.

CWSpalehoseCWS
05-12-2009, 02:10 PM
That doesn't garantee that we'll still finish 1st. We were 16-15 in 2007 at this point, and looked at how that season turned out. It's a 50-50 chance. I do hope that they can turn it around like last year.

JB98
05-12-2009, 02:13 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2008-schedule-scores.shtml

It looks like Game 31 was rock bottom for last year. I remember that horrible 1-0 loss in Toronto...that one dropped the 2008 Sox to 14-17.

sox1970
05-12-2009, 02:13 PM
With the completed game in Baltimore in August, the Sox were officially 14-17 after 31 games, but at the time they were 15-16.

Still, the problems a year ago were with the offense.

If this team doesn't pitch, it's going to be a long year. See what the next few weeks bring.

ChiSoxFan81
05-12-2009, 02:15 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2008-schedule-scores.shtml

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/index.jsp?ymd=20080506
Since the suspended game last year wasn't technically in the books until August, at this time last year, we were 15-16.

thechico
05-12-2009, 02:17 PM
It *seems* like we do better in the contests where we get on the board first. :scratch:
Fire away!

Iwritecode
05-12-2009, 02:21 PM
With the completed game in Baltimore in August, the Sox were officially 14-17 after 31 games, but at the time they were 15-16.

Damn suspended game. Screwing up the standings...

cws05champ
05-12-2009, 02:23 PM
It looks like Game 31 was rock bottom for last year. I remember that horrible 1-0 loss in Toronto...that one dropped the 2008 Sox to 14-17.
I think we need a blow up doll sighting in the clubhouse to get this thing going in the right direction!!!

BadBobbyJenks
05-12-2009, 02:31 PM
Question, What does last year's record have anything to do with this season?

KMcMahon817
05-12-2009, 02:41 PM
It just gives all of these doubters, who have given up in early may when the Sox are 3 games back, some kind of distant idea that they still have a chance. no way.....:tongue:

guillensdisciple
05-12-2009, 02:42 PM
May 5, 2008, the White Sox' record was 14- 17
Today, May 12, 2009, the White Sox' record is 14-17.

Can everyone take a nice deep breath now?

Thank you.

You the man.

doublem23
05-12-2009, 02:43 PM
Question, What does last year's record have anything to do with this season?

Nothing, it just shows a 14-17 record isn't the worst thing in the world.

Jim Shorts
05-12-2009, 02:56 PM
IIRC, the offense was wasting all most all of Danks efforts and the board expressed their concern.

Similar to what we are reading here in 2009, sans a noob suggesting to blow it up.

It's a message board, where a lot of people are members.

Over By There
05-12-2009, 02:56 PM
I think we need a blow up doll sighting in the clubhouse to get this thing going in the right direction!!!

Made me laugh out loud - props to you sir. :D:

Jim Shorts
05-12-2009, 02:57 PM
IIRC, the offense was wasting all most all of Danks efforts and the board expressed their concern.

Similar to what we are reading here in 2009, sans a noob suggesting to blow it up.

It's a message board, where a lot of people are members.

Said a different noob...

BleacherBandit
05-12-2009, 04:32 PM
Floyd wasn't pitching terribly a year ago. But that's true, we shouldn't be freaking out until the end of next month, in my opinion.

guillensdisciple
05-12-2009, 04:35 PM
I am not freaking out- keeping it positive for the White Sox. This team will click, and if it doesn't life moves on.

Lets go White Sox!!!

kittle42
05-12-2009, 05:06 PM
That doesn't garantee that we'll still finish 1st. We were 16-15 in 2007 at this point, and looked at how that season turned out. It's a 50-50 chance. I do hope that they can turn it around like last year.

Thank you. This whole cherry-picking look what we did last season is pointless, unless the only point is "never give up!" That I can agree with.

nasox
05-12-2009, 05:09 PM
Damn suspended game. Screwing up the standings...

They ripped me off too. I only got to see 11 innings of baseball that day. JR is such a cheapskate.

Tragg
05-12-2009, 05:25 PM
In 2007 we were 16-15

Hartman
05-12-2009, 05:27 PM
1. Extremely poor hitting
2. Poor pitching
3. Injuries galore
4. No viable talent to replace injured players

Did we face this situation last year, or any other year for that matter. I think not.

doublem23
05-12-2009, 05:27 PM
In 2007 we were 16-15

Yes, that's already been pointed out.

http://www.hybridcars.com/files/imagecache/article_lead_image/files/graphics/south-park-smug-313.gif
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks.

LoveYourSuit
05-12-2009, 05:28 PM
Every season is different.

But out of all the seasons, I still don't understand why our standard of play should be measured against 2008, a season which took 163 games to win a bad division.

Measure us up on where we were at in 2005, the ultimate goal should be to be the best.

DumpJerry
05-12-2009, 05:29 PM
1. Extremely poor hitting
2. Poor pitching
3. Injuries galore
4. No viable talent to replace injured players

Did we face this situation last year, or any other year for that matter. I think not.
So, you were on the International Space Station during the 2007 season. Lucky you, we were stuck watching the team.

LoveYourSuit
05-12-2009, 05:31 PM
1. Extremely poor hitting
2. Poor pitching
3. Injuries galore
4. No viable talent to replace injured players

Did we face this situation last year, or any other year for that matter. I think not.


That's about 10th on my list.

If I ever hear any Sox fan come September use the injuries of Wise and Anderson as the reason we are 10 games under .500 ...... I will lose all hope for Sox nation.

hi im skot
05-12-2009, 05:42 PM
That's about 10th on my list.

If I ever hear any Sox fan come September use the injuries of Wise and Anderson as the reason we are 10 games under .500 ...... I will lose all hope for Sox nation.

:puke:

TDog
05-12-2009, 05:52 PM
That doesn't garantee that we'll still finish 1st. We were 16-15 in 2007 at this point, and looked at how that season turned out. It's a 50-50 chance. I do hope that they can turn it around like last year.

After Joe Horlen beat the Royals on May 15, 1970, the White Sox were 14-17 and would make it 15-17 the next afternoon with Tommy John pitching a complete-game three-hitter and Carlos May hitting his fifth home run to put the close game out of reach in the late innings. The White Sox finished the season with 106 losses.

Six years later, the White Sox were 15-16 in May after beating the A's 3-1 in the first game of a doubleheader behind starter Terry Forster and reliever Clay Carroll. They won the second game, too, and were in the middle of a 10-game winning streak. They finished the season with 97 losses.

In 1983, a May 17 7-2 loss to the Orioles in the first game of a doubleheader (in which they would be swept) dropped starter LaMarr Hoyt to a dismal 2-6 on the season and the White Sox to 13-18. The White Sox won 99 games that season. Hoyt won the Cy Young Award, and if it hadn't been for Tito Landrum in extra innings or a bad baserunning play in regulation, the White Sox may have won the World Series.

Every season is different. Even great seasons usually end in defeat. If losing were fatal, you wouldn't be a White Sox fan.

Don't worry about it.

Craig Grebeck
05-12-2009, 05:59 PM
I've been waiting for someone to post the runs scored/runs against numbers from 2008 to 2009. They aren't pretty. Therein lies the difference...

The Immigrant
05-12-2009, 06:02 PM
I've been waiting for someone to post the runs scored/runs against numbers from 2008 to 2009. They aren't pretty. Therein lies the difference...

Yup. It's about a 20-run swing in both directions. There is no sense in comparing the two teams.

kittle42
05-12-2009, 06:06 PM
I've been waiting for someone to post the runs scored/runs against numbers from 2008 to 2009. They aren't pretty. Therein lies the difference...

I went to look it up, but then didn't post it because it won't change anyone's mind. If getting shut out and one-runned to death already this season isn't enough to distinguish this team from teams being used for comparison's sake, then no one's going to get it, anyway.

TDog
05-12-2009, 06:31 PM
I went to look it up, but then didn't post it because it won't change anyone's mind. If getting shut out and one-runned to death already this season isn't enough to distinguish this team from teams being used for comparison's sake, then no one's going to get it, anyway.

Then compare this team to the 1983 team, which was shut out four times and held to one run six times through mid-May -- scoring one or fewer runs in about a third of their games.

What happened in 1983, of course, doesn't predict what will happen in 2009. And what happens in April or May of 2009, won't necessarily carry over through the rest of the 2009 season.

oeo
05-12-2009, 07:03 PM
That doesn't garantee that we'll still finish 1st. We were 16-15 in 2007 at this point, and looked at how that season turned out. It's a 50-50 chance. I do hope that they can turn it around like last year.

There's never any guarantees, but all it takes is stringing some wins together to get rolling. Last year, around this time, they got on a streak and finally got over the hump.

I'd like to see the rotation re-worked so we have Buehrle-Danks-Colon just to try to start stringing some wins together. A nice winning streak could take some pressure off of Gavin and Richard, as well as the offense.

EDIT: Whoops, apparently that's what we have. I thought Richard was starting tomorrow night for some reason. Well, hopefully Richard can start us off with a W tonight and we can carry it on to the top of the rotation.

BadBobbyJenks
05-12-2009, 08:50 PM
Nothing, it just shows a 14-17 record isn't the worst thing in the world.

I guess. But if you want to tell people to stop worrying you better have something better than last year's team had the same record. This team's rotation is awful after our top two and the offense looks pathetic. Not a very good combination.

What signs does anyone see to make them believe things are going to get better?

chisoxfanatic
05-12-2009, 09:50 PM
The two things that have been concerning me the most are the starting pitching (outside of Buehrle) and the timely hitting (you know, RISP). I understand that this lineup doesn't ooze tons of experience outside of a handful of players. I also feel comfortable that Floyd and Danks will have good seasons when all is said and done. It's just nice that nobody's seeming to run away with the division yet.

chisox77
05-13-2009, 10:59 AM
We'll see where the White Sox are at Memorial Day. As of now, the season is up for grabs.

areilly
05-13-2009, 11:08 AM
Even great seasons usually end in defeat.

I like this sentence.

May 5, 2008, the White Sox' record was 14- 17
Today, May 12, 2009, the White Sox' record is 14-17.

Can everyone take a nice deep breath now?

Thank you.

I agree. If everything comes together, this team can make its own magical journey from being a lackluster divisional nobody all the way to game four of a woodshedding at the hands of a superior team.

2008!!! WOOO!!!! TRADE FOR JAVY!!!! GET THE OTHER BAND BACK TOGETHER!!!

:redneck

asindc
05-13-2009, 11:19 AM
I like this sentence.



I agree. If everything comes together, this team can make its own magical journey from being a lackluster divisional nobody all the way to game four of a woodshedding at the hands of a superior team.

2008!!! WOOO!!!! TRADE FOR JAVY!!!! GET THE OTHER BAND BACK TOGETHER!!!

:redneck

Would you prefer another 72-90 finish?

TommyJohn
05-13-2009, 11:22 AM
I like this sentence.



I agree. If everything comes together, this team can make its own magical journey from being a lackluster divisional nobody all the way to game four of a woodshedding at the hands of a superior team.

2008!!! WOOO!!!! TRADE FOR JAVY!!!! GET THE OTHER BAND BACK TOGETHER!!!

:redneck

Oh, give me a break. The ****ing point is that the season is far from over.

Craig Grebeck
05-13-2009, 11:24 AM
Oh, give me a break. The ****ing point is that the season is far from over.
I understand the sentiment of the original topic, but as I stated earlier, there's a huge difference between this team and the 2008 team, based solely on runs allowed/runs scored.

areilly
05-13-2009, 11:28 AM
Would you prefer another 72-90 finish?

Of course not. What I would prefer is another 99-63 finish, one where the Sox don't enter the playoffs grossly overmatched and clearly the odd man out. If you see the 2009 Sox as capable of such things, I invite you to inform me where they're going to draw that kind of strength from.

asindc
05-13-2009, 11:52 AM
Of course not. What I would prefer is another 99-63 finish, one where the Sox don't enter the playoffs grossly overmatched and clearly the odd man out. If you see the 2009 Sox as capable of such things, I invite you to inform me where they're going to draw that kind of strength from.

I don't expect 99 wins out of this year's team, and didn't even before the season started. This is what I do expect, in no particular order:

1) Quentin to hit better than .237;

2) Ramirez to hit better than .200;

3) Floyd to pitch better than 7.32;

4) Contreras to pitch better than 8.19, no matter how many starts he can give us;

5) Lillibridge to play the majority of his games in the minors;

6) Pods to be a reserve, at best, behind BA and Wise;

7) Betemit to start fewer games overall than he has already; and

8) Thome to hit better than .227.

With those modest expectations, I further expect the Sox to contend for the AL Central Division championship and make the playoffs in consecutive years for the first time in team history. If they meet that expectation, then I will cheer that accomplishment and enjoy the playoffs, no matter how they unfold.

kitekrazy
05-13-2009, 12:12 PM
I naver expected this team to be better. There's more youth and a couple of guys with sophomore slumps.

I don't see anyone running away with the Central as of yet.

At this stage of the season there are a lot more bad teams than good ones.

PaleHoser
05-13-2009, 01:08 PM
If losing were fatal, you wouldn't be a White Sox fan.

Truer words have never been spoken. :cheers:

LoveYourSuit
05-13-2009, 01:26 PM
I don't expect 99 wins out of this year's team, and didn't even before the season started. This is what I do expect, in no particular order:

1) Quentin to hit better than .237;

2) Ramirez to hit better than .200;

3) Floyd to pitch better than 7.32;

4) Contreras to pitch better than 8.19, no matter how many starts he can give us;

5) Lillibridge to play the majority of his games in the minors;

6) Pods to be a reserve, at best, behind BA and Wise;

7) Betemit to start fewer games overall than he has already; and

8) Thome to hit better than .227.

With those modest expectations, I further expect the Sox to contend for the AL Central Division championship and make the playoffs in consecutive years for the first time in team history. If they meet that expectation, then I will cheer that accomplishment and enjoy the playoffs, no matter how they unfold.


You call 8 things to improve modest?:scratch:

The bullpen not going into a slump, Konerko hitting .300, and Buehrle going 28-0 .... that should all sustain also?

khan
05-13-2009, 01:28 PM
1) Quentin to hit better than .237;
I think this is reasonable. But if TCQ is only at, say .257, [AVE, I'm assuming] he can't be hitting 3rd.

2) Ramirez to hit better than .200;
I also think this is reasonable. The question should be: "Is 'better' a .205 average, or a .265 average?" Because with the former, this team is in trouble. With the latter, this team has a chance to compete.

3) Floyd to pitch better than 7.32;
If he can't: Throw strike one, get ahead of batters, attack batters when he DOES get ahead rather than nibbling, cut down on the walks, work faster, not shake off his catcher over and over again, not get locked into a pattern, re-focus despite him now being financially secure for life, and trust his pitching coach/catchers to apply proper batter-to-batter tactics and overall in-game strategy, then he won't pitch better than 7.32.

But for this team to have any prayer of success, he has to be MUCH, MUCH better than an ERA of 7.32. [Funny how effective he was in Spring training, before he got his money; Equally telling is his performance SINCE he got his contract.]

4) Contreras to pitch better than 8.19, no matter how many starts he can give us;
I'm not too certain about this, either. Perhaps he should've waited to return to the rotation a bit longer. Or perhaps he's done.

5) Lillibridge to play the majority of his games in the minors;
Agreed. But this is kind of inconsequential in the bigger scheme of things. He's the 25th man, at best. Floyd is a key asset in the starting rotation. The #5 starter is a much bigger component. Quentin's middling OPS is a bigger issue.

6) Pods to be a reserve, at best, behind BA and Wise;
Agreed. But see Lillibridge, above.

7) Betemit to start fewer games overall than he has already; and
Agreed. But see Pods and Lillibridge, above.

8) Thome to hit better than .227.
The trend in recent years for him is not pointing to do much better. In order from 2006 until 2008, Thome hit: .288, .275, and .245. If he improves to .250, that would seriously buck the trend of an aging slugger.

With those modest expectations, I further expect the Sox to contend for the AL Central Division championship and make the playoffs in consecutive years for the first time in team history. If they meet that expectation, then I will cheer that accomplishment and enjoy the playoffs, no matter how they unfold.
I think that out of the 8 presented here, 5 are reasonable. But I can't weight the impact of bench fodder like Pods/lillibridge/Betemit anywhere as much as the impact of:

1. Floyds' ability to be effective and to concentrate despite him suddenly being rich,
2. Thome finding the fountain of youth,
3. Ramirez shortening his swing a bit, and
4. Quentin being the MVP candidate that this team needs to be successful.

asindc
05-13-2009, 01:46 PM
You call 8 things to improve modest?:scratch:

The bullpen not going into a slump, Konerko hitting .300, and Buehrle going 28-0 .... that should all sustain also?

Do you expect any of these eight things to remain the same? I could see Thome hitting no better than now and maybe Contreras pitching no better, but do you really think those other things won't improve?

I'm talking about guys signficantly underperforming or playing a lot more (or a lot less in some cases) so far than they eventually will. The hot starts by Konerko and Buehrle, and the lack of a bullpen blow up to this point, do not balance out these things, if that is what you are implying.

TDog
05-13-2009, 01:47 PM
Of course not. What I would prefer is another 99-63 finish, one where the Sox don't enter the playoffs grossly overmatched and clearly the odd man out. If you see the 2009 Sox as capable of such things, I invite you to inform me where they're going to draw that kind of strength from.

The White Sox didn't enter the playoffs grossly overmatched last year, although their best hitter was out of the lineup. Their rotation wasn't set, but they weren't grossly overmatched by the Rays. The Rays were hot and playing like a great team, but I don't think they were a great team. The Rays certainly aren't a great team this year, and they are pretty much the same team they were last year.

soxinem1
05-13-2009, 06:57 PM
At this time in 1983, fans were blasting the team and the manager; The White Sox won the AL West.

In 1984, fans were saying 'We went through the same thing in 1983, look at how that turned out'. The White Sox tied SEA for Fifth.

In 2006 fans were saying 'When we hit our stride we will pass DET and MIN, and run away. Didn't come close to 2005 in one-run games, AL Central W-L, or pitching, and most importantly, the AL Central Championship.

In 2007 fans were happy to be over .500 at this time; Remember what happened?

In 2008 fans panicked when Quentin was hitting .230, complaining that Swisher was, well, swishing and playing CF, Vazquez wasn't showing heart/winning, and Jenks didn't have enough K's (among other things); result: 2008 AL Central Championship.

In 2009, fans want Vazquez, Rowand, and Swisher back, desire to throw in the towel, and/or compare the 2009 team's slow start to 2008's precedent.

My responses:

EVERY SEASON IS DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT PLAYERS, CIRCUMSTANCES, LUCK, AND OUTCOMES.

And to all the arm-chair GM's who 'knew' trading Ryan Sweeney, Gio, Rowand, Vazquez, Swisher, etc. was such a mistake, and that Lillibridge, Betemit, and others were lost causes......... Yeah, right!

Quit bitching and root for your team. A real fan of any team should root for them through all the BS, errors, shutouts, trades, injuries, etc.

Especially this team, which, frankly:

1. Does not have a championship-filled history.
2. Has had a lot of colorful, memorable, and historical moments without the rings.

That is what sets us apart from most other MLB franchises. Enjoy them, pull for them, and hope for the best.

LoveYourSuit
05-13-2009, 07:09 PM
Quit bitching and root for your team. A real fan of any team should root for them through all the BS, errors, shutouts, trades, injuries, etc.



As mentioned so many times:


Bitching, kicking, screaming, pants pissing, dark clouding, etc does not make one less of a fan than the next guy. I think everyone should have the right to express their fandom any which way they want to.

At the end, the reason we are all here is because we love our team, period. The "happy happy all is OK" folks to "the sky is falling" bunch.

Its 162 GAMES, that's what makes this game so beautiful.

DonnieDarko
05-13-2009, 09:14 PM
7) Betemit to start fewer games overall than he has already;

Can't Nix play some 3B? I would like to get him in the lineup if possible. Alexei may be pulling out of a slump; Konerko has been dependable for the most part thusfar; Thome's done some good; so has Dye; Anderson has seemed to have thrown it all together, perhaps; also in that category maybe Wise; Getz has done some good...the offense should be turning it around somehow. If it doesn't and it doesn't all go together, then we're screwed, though.

As for the pitching...it's mostly there, considering how good offensively teams are now, and how nerfed pitching is from what it used to be, that if this offense can perform up to some league expectations, we might have something of a chance.

That prospect is starting to look even more grim by the day, though.

nsolo
05-13-2009, 09:18 PM
As mentioned so many times:


Bitching, kicking, screaming, pants pissing, dark clouding, etc does not make one less of a fan than the next guy. I think everyone should have the right to express their fandom any which way they want to.

At the end, the reason we are all here is because we love our team, period. The "happy happy all is OK" folks to "the sky is falling" bunch.

Its 162 GAMES, that's what makes this game so beautiful.

Thank you, I agree. I'll always root for the Sox, but what I have been seeing this year does not inspire me.

"05 was the highlight of my "Sox fan" life. Never thought I'd live long enough to see it. That being said, all I've ever asked for was a team that played hard and showed heart. This year I haven't seen anything close to that.

DonnieDarko
05-13-2009, 09:23 PM
Thank you, I agree. I'll always root for the Sox, but what I have been seeing this year does not inspire me.

"05 was the highlight of my "Sox fan" life. Never thought I'd live long enough to see it. That being said, all I've ever asked for was a team that played hard and showed heart. This year I haven't seen anything close to that.

Are you saying that some players might be dogging it on purpose, not because of injury or actual slowness? At least we've been...okay, average at best at running the bases (though Getz is damned good at it), but if there are guys that are just not doing their job because they're lazy, or don't buy into the philosophy?

Just curious.

TomBradley72
05-13-2009, 10:52 PM
Statistically and based on the fact that we're still in May says there's no reason to give up on this season.

But my eyes tell me we're 12th in runs scored in the AL, we're 13th in fielding, and we have mediocre pitching/7th in the AL. On top of that the chemistry doesn't seem to be there this year, we strike out alot, we lead the majors in being shut out....I've seen many bad White Sox teams in my lifetime...I think this is one of them.

Can they turn it around? Yes. Do I think they will? No. Will I pull for them and devote too much of my summer to hanging on to the hope that will prove me wrong? Yes.

Tragg
05-13-2009, 11:26 PM
4. No viable talent to replace injured players

.
This organization has an absolute fetish for utility players. It works out fine for a day off a week. RElying on them to plug holes is a real problem because they are third string talent. Ozzie loves utililty talent and apparently Williams does too.

joegraz
05-14-2009, 05:52 AM
This organization has an absolute fetish for utility players. It works out fine for a day off a week. RElying on them to plug holes is a real problem because they are third string talent. Ozzie loves utililty talent and apparently Williams does too.


Well.....at least they love the salaries...........

White City
05-14-2009, 08:26 AM
3-3-1 series record in April.
0-4 in May so far (1-4 if you count a single-game win over Detroit as a series).

No "hotness" yet -- we'll need some to get back to mediocre. At least we can count on interleague play soon.

shes
05-14-2009, 12:04 PM
2008's team wasn't playing as badly as this team. They were inconsistent, too, but could fairly be called a .500 or better team based on their play on the field and their personnel.

This year's team is lucky to have more than 10 wins. They are playing like the worst team in the AL. They are starting unproven and washed up guys who for the most part are worse than their 08 counterparts.

Clearly a case where 3 games under ≠ 3 games under.

ChiSox89
05-14-2009, 12:51 PM
i am not worried about this team especially in this division. there will start yo hit, the bullpen will countinue to pitch wel. its the starters that i worry about. buehrle and danks have been solid, but not colon or floyd

cards press box
05-15-2009, 01:14 AM
May 5, 2008, the White Sox' record was 14- 17
Today, May 12, 2009, the White Sox' record is 14-17.

Can everyone take a nice deep breath now?

Thank you.

Point well taken.

sunofgold
05-15-2009, 01:57 AM
Maybe 81 wins will be enough to win this division. hahah!

Nellie_Fox
05-15-2009, 02:39 AM
there will start yo hit, the bullpen will countinue to pitch wel.:facepalm:

guillensdisciple
05-15-2009, 09:19 AM
So long as the team does not lose confidence in itself, it will be in contention. It is at the point when the players start giving in that I will realize that next year is the year to look forward to. As of now, I am guns blazing on the optimism mobile, and I love my Sox baseball. It has been a little unfortunate watching them, but I believe that this team will pull it together.

kittle42
05-15-2009, 09:25 AM
:facepalm:

Shame on you, Nellie. Haven't you heard people are tired of others pointing out their ignorance?

soxinem1
05-15-2009, 11:27 AM
As mentioned so many times:


Bitching, kicking, screaming, pants pissing, dark clouding, etc does not make one less of a fan than the next guy. I think everyone should have the right to express their fandom any which way they want to.

At the end, the reason we are all here is because we love our team, period. The "happy happy all is OK" folks to "the sky is falling" bunch.

Its 162 GAMES, that's what makes this game so beautiful.

The bitching I refer to is for those that 'you knew trading so-and-so was a mistake', or 'we should have signed this guy, look what he is doing now' is all hindsight.

The same with throwing in the towel 30 games into the season. Lot of baseball left.

But true, to complain about a team that plays like ****, that is a fan's right, as I do enough of that too!

russ99
05-15-2009, 11:33 AM
The Tampa series is how good this team looks when playing well, the last few series' is how bad they look when playing badly.

I'm hoping we'll see much more of the former, but as a whole we can't expect much more than somewhere between the two, unless Kenny adds some pieces.

ode to veeck
05-15-2009, 01:56 PM
So long as the team does not lose confidence in itself, it will be in contention. It is at the point when the players start giving in that I will realize that next year is the year to look forward to. As of now, I am guns blazing on the optimism mobile, and I love my Sox baseball. It has been a little unfortunate watching them, but I believe that this team will pull it together.

After and 3-7 and really dismal last 10 games they are only 2.0 games out in a division waiting for anyone to take charge GO SOX

BadBobbyJenks
05-15-2009, 04:21 PM
Shame on you, Nellie. Haven't you heard people are tired of others pointing out their ignorance?

That was a little bit more than ignorance.

sunofgold
05-15-2009, 05:47 PM
A lot has to happen, but it is possible

WHITE SOX win BJs
Yanks (at home) win over Twins
A's win over Tigers (at home)
O's win over Royals (at home)

No problem, right! hahaha!

DonnieDarko
05-15-2009, 05:59 PM
WHITE SOX win BJs

I'm sure with incentives like that, every major leaguer would want to win 162 games. :tongue: