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Viva Medias B's
05-08-2009, 11:06 PM
Since no one appears to have started one yet, I will. During the postgame presser, Ozzie said (per the Ranger) that Josť Contreras will not make his next scheduled start. I was at the game tonight until the end of the 7th, and the loudest cheers had to be when Ozzie came out to remove Josť from the game. And Contreras was booed loudly.

JB98
05-08-2009, 11:08 PM
I'll admit it: I turned the game off after the fourth inning.

Watching this game was a waste of an evening. We've had too many games like that already this season.

tsoxman
05-08-2009, 11:09 PM
Since no one appears to have started one yet, I will. During the postgame presser, Ozzie said (per the Ranger) that Josť Contreras will not make his next scheduled start. I was at the game tonight until the end of the 7th, and the loudest cheers had to be when Ozzie came out to remove Josť from the game. And Contreras was booed loudly.

I would think that the same boos could be targeted towards others on the team right now, and yes even the GM who assembled this train wreck.

LoveYourSuit
05-08-2009, 11:10 PM
Since no one appears to have started one yet, I will. During the postgame presser, Ozzie said (per the Ranger) that Josť Contreras will not make his next scheduled start. I was at the game tonight until the end of the 7th, and the loudest cheers had to be when Ozzie came out to remove Josť from the game. And Contreras was booed loudly.

As bad as the guy has been, I find it very classless by our fans to boo the guy off the field.

CHISOXFAN13
05-08-2009, 11:10 PM
I agree that it's time to pull Contreras from the rotation, but those who booed him are clueless. Guy busted his ass to get back from a major injury and is a damn postseason hero. He deseves better than that.

oeo
05-08-2009, 11:11 PM
As bad as the guy has been, I find it very classless by our fans to boo the guy off the field.

It wasn't the first time he's been booed off the field. 2005 and 2007 come to mind. He bounced back pretty well from both of those.

I hope Jose can give it one last run for us. He's giving everything he's got, it's just not there.

LoveYourSuit
05-08-2009, 11:11 PM
I would think that the same boos could be targeted towards others on the team right now, and yes even the GM who assembled this train wreck.


POTW!

Very well said.

Kenny expected to catch not 1 but 2 bolts of lightning for the rotation.

tstrike2000
05-08-2009, 11:13 PM
Contreras is done. Doesn't matter when you can't score any damn runs off some no name pitcher, which the Sox have a problem with no name pitchers.

WhiteSox1989
05-08-2009, 11:13 PM
As bad as the guy has been, I find it very classless by our fans to boo the guy off the field.
I do too. I don't know why it bothers me so much. He just seems like an incredible guy, this guy is a HUGE reason why we won a world series. He worked his ass off and gave it his all-it's not like he was purposefully dogging it. There's no reason to boo him, and it makes me sad that supposed Sox fans did this. Sure, he pitched like ****, but it's not because of lack of trying or working.

I guess I just hate when fans boo their own team in general.

Anyway, I don't think the 5th started should come from the Sox organization.

tsoxman
05-08-2009, 11:14 PM
I agree that it's time to pull Contreras from the rotation, but those who booed him are clueless. Guy busted his ass to get back from a major injury and is a damn postseason hero. He deseves better than that.

What's ironic is that Contreras wasn't even being counted on this year and now it's a major crisis that he can't pitch effectively in May?

Seriously Kenny what was your plan in the off season to prepare this tEAM FOR 2009 other than getting rid of the malcontents?

WhiteSox1989
05-08-2009, 11:14 PM
I agree that it's time to pull Contreras from the rotation, but those who booed him are clueless. Guy busted his ass to get back from a major injury and is a damn postseason hero. He deseves better than that.

Post of the week.

oeo
05-08-2009, 11:15 PM
Contreras is done.

That's what people said two years ago, and there was actually reason to believe that: his fastball was in the 80s.

As long as he doesn't have an injury setback, all he needs is some control. Hopefully he can get more work on that out of the rotation.

JB98
05-08-2009, 11:16 PM
I personally would never boo Contreras. He needs to be removed from the rotation, but I have respect for the things Jose has accomplished in a White Sox uniform in the past.

It's really rather sad watching a veteran guy who just can't do it anymore.

maristsox
05-08-2009, 11:17 PM
He could have given up 1 run and we still would have lost. Offense is the biggest concern right now

LoveYourSuit
05-08-2009, 11:18 PM
I'll admit it: I turned the game off after the fourth inning.

Watching this game was a waste of an evening. We've had too many games like that already this season.


I wish that too. Maybe a bad 1st half will result in a better 2nd half just like 2005. I remember that game he had up in Oakland in 2005 where he bounced almost every pitch. I wanted him vanished that minute. But then he turned it on.

I just think the 4 year of age, the injuries, and the drop in velocity might keep him from ever getting good again.

Dan H
05-08-2009, 11:21 PM
There is no reason to boo Contreras. I am waiting for know it all Kenny Williams to tell us that this isn't a rebuilding year. If fans want to boo someone, boo Kenny.

LoveYourSuit
05-08-2009, 11:22 PM
He could have given up 1 run and we still would have lost. Offense is the biggest concern right now

I am 100% fed up with the offense for a few years now.

But I also have to figure that when they see Jose get up on that bump, their expectations and desires to perform take the natural let down. I bet those guys get pumped when Buehrle takes the hill.

oeo
05-08-2009, 11:24 PM
There is no reason to boo Contreras. I am waiting for know it all Kenny Williams to tell us that this isn't a rebuilding year. If fans want to boo someone, boo Kenny.

How do you do that? :scratch:

Somebody e-mail Brooks and have Kenny throw on the first pitch tomorrow night.

BadBobbyJenks
05-08-2009, 11:24 PM
The White Sox have now been dominated by:



Matt Harrison (Twice) 7.89 ERA .359 BAA against other teams.
Kyle Davies 5.88 ERA (we roughed him up the 2nd time)
Brad Bergesen 4.98 ERA .344 BAA
Brian Tallet 5.83 ERA
Chris Jakubauskas 5.76 ERA
Adam Eaton 7.18 ERA

What a sack of crap there.
Am I missing any other clowns?

LoveYourSuit
05-08-2009, 11:25 PM
There is no reason to boo Contreras. I am waiting for know it all Kenny Williams to tell us that this isn't a rebuilding year. If fans want to boo someone, boo Kenny.


Not to re-visit the Javy trade:
But *** were you thinking Kenny if you didn't have a legitamte back up plan?

For the options which are left, Give me Javy and his meltdowns any day of the week. Thank God Colon has bee half decent or else this thing would be over by now.

oeo
05-08-2009, 11:26 PM
The White Sox have now been dominated by:



Matt Harrison (Twice) 7.89 ERA .359 BAA against other teams.
Kyle Davies 5.88 ERA (we roughed him up the 2nd time)
Brad Bergesen 4.98 ERA .344 BAA
Brian Tallet 5.83 ERA
Chris Jakubauskas 5.76 ERA
Adam Eaton 7.18 ERA

What a sack of crap there.
Am I missing any other clowns?

Davies has really only been bad two times this year.

Thatguyoverthere
05-08-2009, 11:26 PM
The White Sox have now been dominated by:



Matt Harrison (Twice) 7.89 ERA .359 BAA against other teams.
Kyle Davies 5.88 ERA (we roughed him up the 2nd time)
Brad Bergesen 4.98 ERA .344 BAA
Brian Tallet 5.83 ERA
Chris Jakubauskas 5.76 ERA
Adam Eaton 7.18 ERA

What a sack of crap there.
Am I missing any other clowns?That's what is so frustrating about this offense. I'd be fine getting shut down by a Greinke or Halladay, but when you let Matt ****ing Harrison dominate you TWICE there is no excuse. Unbelievable.

BadBobbyJenks
05-08-2009, 11:28 PM
Davies has really only been bad two times this year.

He has two quality starts on the season.

LoveYourSuit
05-08-2009, 11:28 PM
The White Sox have now been dominated by:



Matt Harrison (Twice) 7.89 ERA .359 BAA against other teams.
Kyle Davies 5.88 ERA (we roughed him up the 2nd time)
Brad Bergesen 4.98 ERA .344 BAA
Brian Tallet 5.83 ERA
Chris Jakubauskas 5.76 ERA
Adam Eaton 7.18 ERA
What a sack of crap there.
Am I missing any other clowns?


That's how you set yourself up for a sub .500 season because when the Milwoods, Greinkes, Hallidays are up next on your schedule you already know you have no chance.

manders_01
05-08-2009, 11:31 PM
I want to give Jose a hug - I think he might need it. :hug:

I'm terribly sad that Jose was given so much flack tonight. Did he pitch well? No, not at all. Did he deserve to be booed of the field? Not in a million years.

As for the team as a whole, I feel like they are either really high or really low and not much in between. It's still early in the season and I have to believe that things will even out. :praying:

DirtySox
05-08-2009, 11:31 PM
Tomorrow will be a telling day in regards to rotation options. Poreda and Torres are both on the bump tomorrow. We will see if they make their scheduled starts.

oeo
05-08-2009, 11:33 PM
He has two quality starts on the season.

I'm really beginning to hate that "stat."

You're using his ERA against us. Take out his last start against us and his start against Detroit, and he hasn't been all that bad. The Sox are a large part of the reason his ERA is as high as it is.

tsoxman
05-08-2009, 11:34 PM
Not to re-visit the Javy trade:
But *** were you thinking Kenny if you didn't have a legitamte back up plan?

For the options which are left, Give me Javy and his meltdowns any day of the week. Thank God Colon has bee half decent or else this thing would be over by now.

It's as if he wanted to go out and get other replacements but with unforseen budgetary constraints occurring, his plan was twarted. I cant think of any other reason other than arrogance in thinking that guys like Cooper and Walker couokd turn around other teams dissapointing prospects.

LoveYourSuit
05-08-2009, 11:37 PM
It's as if he wanted to go out and get other replacements but with unforseen budgetary constraints occurring, his plan was twarted. I cant think of any other reason other than arrogance in thinking that guys like Cooper and Walker couokd turn around other teams dissapointing prospects.


All of the above.

Arrogance and Budget.

BadBobbyJenks
05-08-2009, 11:37 PM
I'm really beginning to hate that "stat."

You're using his ERA against us. Take out his last start against us and his start against Detroit, and he hasn't been all that bad.

Starts not against the Sox:

4/14 5.2 innings 3 runs 7 hits 1 walk 5 ks
4/19 6 innings 3 runs 3 hits 5 walks 8 ks
4/25 5.1 innings 7 runs 8 hits 2 walks 2 ks
4/30 5.2 innings 3 runs 7 hits 3 walks 0 ks

Have fun with that.

GoGoCrede
05-08-2009, 11:39 PM
Breaks my heart to hear the boos for Contreras. He's worked hard and I'm sad it hasn't paid off. Here's hoping he thrives in the bullpen and is able to help us out from there.

LoveYourSuit
05-08-2009, 11:42 PM
Under the CBA, can Contreras even accept a voluntary trip to the minors to get innings in as a starter?

SoxGirl4Life
05-08-2009, 11:47 PM
Under the CBA, can Contreras even accept a voluntary trip to the minors to get innings in as a starter?

I think that's the only way he can go down because of his years of service.

Tragg
05-08-2009, 11:47 PM
If he has his velocity up, Contreras may be good out of the pen. I know he's always said that he didn't want to pen-pitch, but at this point.....

We have a paper thin roster and have had one for the past several years. 1-2 injuries and we're screwed. The only area in which we have any depth is the bullpen, where we have 4 pitches capable of handing any 8th or 9th inning. Not coincidentally, that's also where Williams paid free agents.

chisoxfanatic
05-08-2009, 11:48 PM
Contreras lasted an inning longer than I thought he would; but, that game was still horrible. Stick a fork in him.

oeo
05-08-2009, 11:50 PM
Starts not against the Sox:

4/14 5.2 innings 3 runs 7 hits 1 walk 5 ks
4/19 6 innings 3 runs 3 hits 5 walks 8 ks
4/25 5.1 innings 7 runs 8 hits 2 walks 2 ks
4/30 5.2 innings 3 runs 7 hits 3 walks 0 ks

Have fun with that.

Once again, since we're just taking starts out: you take out his two terrible starts, and he hasn't been bad. In fact, an ERA in the mid-3's. Is it possible he was just on in Chicago that day (in fact, I do remember him looking pretty nasty)? I'd say the Sox bats are in worse shape now than they were then, and they took care of business earlier this week with him on the bump.

SoxGirl4Life
05-08-2009, 11:51 PM
And I agree on the booing. Getting on someone case who's busted his ass to get back in time for the season is low-class to the nth degree. Very disappointed in that tonight.

And the offense takes the brunt of the blame in this one too. I'm not so quick to judge because this pitcher has a crap history, but the lack of patience at the plate is maddening.

skobabe8
05-08-2009, 11:51 PM
Breaks my heart to hear the boos for Contreras. He's worked hard and I'm sad it hasn't paid off. Here's hoping he thrives in the bullpen and is able to help us out from there.

Loudest boos I've heard in a LONG time.

whitesoxfan1986
05-08-2009, 11:51 PM
I was at the game tonight, and I also thought it was classless to boo Contreras. I did not take part in that. I think that he is done as a starter though. Not that I could see the movement on the pitches from section 550, but the other times I watched him pitch on TV, his forkball has absolutely no bite to it anymore, it just rolls. His forkball is what made him such a dominant pitcher, and without it he has only two pitches, the fastball and slider, and you can't win as a starter with only two pitches, and it is my opinion that this is the reason he is getting shellacked each and every time he takes the mound. If Contreras wants to prolong his career, he should accept a role as a right-handed specialist out of the bullpen, and that is the best role for the Sox to put him in for the rest of the season. He actually hasn't been that bad against righties.

GoGoCrede
05-08-2009, 11:53 PM
Loudest boos I've heard in a LONG time.

Ugh. :(: Were you at the game? They were pretty deafening on my Gameday Audio.

LoveYourSuit
05-08-2009, 11:56 PM
I was at the game tonight, and I also thought it was classless to boo Contreras. I did not take part in that. I think that he is done as a starter though. Not that I could see the movement on the pitches from section 550, but the other times I watched him pitch on TV, his forkball has absolutely no bite to it anymore, it just rolls. His forkball is what made him such a dominant pitcher, and without it he has only two pitches, the fastball and slider, and you can't win as a starter with only two pitches, and it is my opinion that this is the reason he is getting shellacked each and every time he takes the mound. If Contreras wants to prolong his career, he should accept a role as a right-handed specialist out of the bullpen, and that is the best role for the Sox to put him in for the rest of the season. He actually hasn't been that bad against righties.

:?: Sitting there by choice?

I saw plenty of leg room around the park today. You should have moved closer.

chisoxfanatic
05-08-2009, 11:59 PM
And the offense takes the brunt of the blame in this one too. I'm not so quick to judge because this pitcher has a crap history, but the lack of patience at the plate is maddening.
I agree. It can be...But, then I remember that almost half of the lineup has very little major league hitting experience. They're still learning. It would've been nice to get one nice veteran hitter during the offseason.

BadBobbyJenks
05-09-2009, 12:04 AM
Once again, since we're just taking starts out: you take out his two terrible starts, and he hasn't been bad. In fact, an ERA in the mid-3's. Is it possible he was just on in Chicago that day (in fact, I do remember him looking pretty nasty)? I'd say the Sox bats are in worse shape now than they were then, and they took care of business earlier this week with him on the bump.

And you take out his best start and he has been awful...

Martinigirl
05-09-2009, 12:05 AM
As bad as the guy has been, I find it very classless by our fans to boo the guy off the field.

I was at the game and it was bad. I felt horrible for Jose. It is fine if people are pissed at his performance. I understand (though I don't do it) if people boo his pitching, but to actually boo him as a person, as he walking off the field after being removed from the game, is just wrong.

skobabe8
05-09-2009, 12:12 AM
Ugh. :(: Were you at the game? They were pretty deafening on my Gameday Audio.

Yes.

The loudest boos were not when he was taken out, but when he gave up the double to Vizquel. Pretty bad.

When he came out, he actually got a decent ovation from people sitting behind the sox dugout. It wasn't a Bronx cheer either. I thought that was pretty classy.

whitesoxfan1986
05-09-2009, 12:18 AM
:?: Sitting there by choice?

I saw plenty of leg room around the park today. You should have moved closer.
They let you? I guess I could have moved directly behind home plate in the 500 section but I'd guess they'd check tickets if I wanted to go downstairs. By the time I even thought about moving closer, Contreras was already out of the game, and Walkerball was in full effect. I was pissed and wanted to leave, but stayed and hoped that the sox could pull it out.

WhiteSox1983
05-09-2009, 12:21 AM
Its not just starting pitching, its everything.

kitekrazy
05-09-2009, 12:28 AM
I agree. It can be...But, then I remember that almost half of the lineup has very little major league hitting experience. They're still learning. It would've been nice to get one nice veteran hitter during the offseason.

Like Milton Bradley?

The FA market was somewhat weak. In some ways ignoring the FA market was a wise thing. The Yankees could have gotten CC for less if they waited a bit longer. All of that money and they can beat the Red Sox at home.

ChiSoxGirl
05-09-2009, 12:38 AM
Contreras is done. Doesn't matter when you can't score any damn runs off some no name pitcher, which the Sox have a problem with no name pitchers.

This is the second time in five days we had this problem with the same no-name pitcher, which makes it even worse to stomach! :mad:

hawkjt
05-09-2009, 12:45 AM
Yes.

The loudest boos were not when he was taken out, but when he gave up the double to Vizquel. Pretty bad.

When he came out, he actually got a decent ovation from people sitting behind the sox dugout. It wasn't a Bronx cheer either. I thought that was pretty classy.


I was embarrassed for Sox fans when they booed Jose tonite. We clapped for him when he came out but there were some loudmouth jerks in my section who were on him from the first inning on.

If Josh Fields does not throw that ball high,probably saves him a couple of runs...not like they were really tatooing him,imo..it is his control. If he could get sharper, he can still be ok. Sad to see him walk off tonite.
Sox are in a bigger hitting funk than pitching...even when they hit it hard..right at someone.

Woofer
05-09-2009, 12:59 AM
I felt pretty bad for Conteras tonight. He just hasn't been the same so far, and although I was grumbling to myself, I won't boo him. This team just stinks this year. It is still early, and all that, but we have too many holes.

TheOldRoman
05-09-2009, 01:01 AM
There is no reason to boo Contreras. I am waiting for know it all Kenny Williams to tell us that this isn't a rebuilding year. If fans want to boo someone, boo Kenny.I agree. You are generally good (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2057028&postcount=225) at telling (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2057532&postcount=23) these things. Wait, you are posting here again, so that must mean you have another book to sell, right?

1989
05-09-2009, 01:05 AM
positives:
- Carrasco did well out of the bullpen
- Richard looked great striking out the side in the 8th
- Nix putting together good at bats

tomorrow

oeo
05-09-2009, 01:12 AM
I felt pretty bad for Conteras tonight. He just hasn't been the same so far, and although I was grumbling to myself, I won't boo him. This team just stinks this year. It is still early, and all that, but we have too many holes.

While I'm nervous about where the team is headed, keep in mind that last year we played the whole hover .500 game until mid-May, when we knocked off 8 in a row and finally started to play better ball. In fact, after 28 games last year, we sat at 14-14. Of course we were getting phenomenal pitching last year, too.

Nellie_Fox
05-09-2009, 01:14 AM
...Contreras was booed loudly.Man, I hated that. I changed the channel for a while because I couldn't stand to hear them do that to Josť

Britt Burns
05-09-2009, 01:17 AM
I wish he hadn't been booed. That being said, I'm afraid this might be it for Contreras. I just don't think he has it anymore.

peelwonder
05-09-2009, 01:52 AM
Well Boo ****ing Hoo, I'm supposed to be feel bad for Jose because he just flat out doesn't have it anymore?

If you give me the amount of money he makes then you can boo me at work all day long as I'll just laugh all the way to the bank.

I would never boo anybody on the Sox but if people want to boo him they can. They paid to get into the game and expect to see him perform. He's stunk for a few years now and I'm just ready to be over it.

Thanks for the memories Jose...but they are just that....memories....

joegraz
05-09-2009, 02:12 AM
Since no one appears to have started one yet, I will. During the postgame presser, Ozzie said (per the Ranger) that Josť Contreras will not make his next scheduled start. I was at the game tonight until the end of the 7th, and the loudest cheers had to be when Ozzie came out to remove Josť from the game. And Contreras was booed loudly.

This just in....Contreras has not made any of his PAST starts!

Chicken Dinner
05-09-2009, 02:25 AM
Contreras is sucking the life out of this team and its fans. Putting him in the pen is just plain stupid. The guy has always needed a few innings to settle in and the bullpen doesn't allow that to happen. Throw him on the DL and have him throw on the side. Then send him down to the minors for a few rehab starts.

nasox
05-09-2009, 02:56 AM
I would think that the same boos could be targeted towards others on the team right now, and yes even the GM who assembled this train wreck.


I would hardly consider this season a train wreck thus far. First, it's only the first week of May. Second, there have been some injuries. Third, we're only two games under 500. Fourth, it's only the first week of May. Yeah, the wheels are coming off, just like the sky is falling.

palehozenychicty
05-09-2009, 02:58 AM
Ever since Jose joined the Sox, he has been an X-factor. When he's thrown well, the team has been formidable. When he's terrible, the team teeters. Right now, though, I don't know what else to do.

TomBradley72
05-09-2009, 03:12 AM
Watching tonight's game, I had a very strong feeling I was watching the end of a very good man's career. I think Jose is done.

captainclutch24
05-09-2009, 03:47 AM
Jose should no longer be on this team as of tomorrow night. This team sucks. No Offense, no pitching. My 78-84 prediction was to good for them

guillensdisciple
05-09-2009, 05:01 AM
2 games under .500 guys- lets not kill someone yet.

Whitesoxfan23
05-09-2009, 07:51 AM
MLB Network was ranting and raving about how great Matt Harrison pitched. It seems like the more the Sox make these scrub pitchers look amazing, the more it goes from sad to just funny in a way. This team is humiliating right now. Something needs to be done.

Viva Medias B's
05-09-2009, 08:27 AM
We are forever indebted to Josť for what he did for us in 2005, but it's time for him to move on unfortunately. Simply, he just does not have it anymore. Meanwhile, for the second time this week, we made a 2-2 LHP with a 6+ ERA look like Johan against us. We can't be doing that either.

doublem23
05-09-2009, 08:38 AM
That is the fifth time we've been shut out this year.

Illini Stripes
05-09-2009, 08:49 AM
Who takes Jose's spot in the rotation?

doublem23
05-09-2009, 09:08 AM
Who takes Jose's spot in the rotation?

We've already got a thread for that question.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111681

balke
05-09-2009, 09:57 AM
I feel like the offense laid down this game and that makes me sick. No way this pitcher shuts these hitters down twice like this. PATHETIC.

Jose needs to move to long relief for a while, maybe by September he can turn it around. Richard or Broadway gotta be better solutions at this point.

DeuceUnit
05-09-2009, 10:11 AM
I would think that the same boos could be targeted towards others on the team right now, and yes even the GM who assembled this train wreck.

Kenny can do no wrong though!

DeuceUnit
05-09-2009, 10:12 AM
That is the fifth time we've been shut out this year.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that already half as many times as we were shut out all of last season??

mccoydp
05-09-2009, 11:26 AM
I'm glad I didn't see this one. I am tired of all of these ****ing shutouts.

Thanks for 2005, Jose!

DickAllen72
05-09-2009, 11:44 AM
Since no one appears to have started one yet, I will. During the postgame presser, Ozzie said (per the Ranger) that Josť Contreras will not make his next scheduled start. I was at the game tonight until the end of the 7th, and the loudest cheers had to be when Ozzie came out to remove Josť from the game. And Contreras was booed loudly.
Those kind of "fans" are jerks and losers. Let them keep supporting the Sox with their money however, so the team can continue to pay the salaries of players that good Sox fans can appreciate.

Jose was one of the main reasons the Sox won the WS in '05, contributed positively in '06 and was turning it on last year before he sustained an injury that most thought would end his career. He has worked his ass off to make a miraculous recovery and just because he doesn't have his control yet doesn't mean he deserves to be treated like **** by his home team's "fans."

Ironically, those kind of fans got the kind of ballgame they deserved last night.

ode to veeck
05-09-2009, 11:55 AM
The White Sox have now been dominated by:



Matt Harrison (Twice) 7.89 ERA .359 BAA against other teams.
Kyle Davies 5.88 ERA (we roughed him up the 2nd time)
Brad Bergesen 4.98 ERA .344 BAA
Brian Tallet 5.83 ERA
Chris Jakubauskas 5.76 ERA
Adam Eaton 7.18 ERA
What a sack of crap there.
Am I missing any other clowns?

and the idiots boo Jose

ode to veeck
05-09-2009, 11:58 AM
If he has his velocity up, Contreras may be good out of the pen. I know he's always said that he didn't want to pen-pitch, but at this point.....

.

I think it is really location not velocity, he is not hitting the spots he is throwing for, and he and AJ are working hard at it--they've been a great team together (remember how Jose used to shake him off all the time before Jose's great streak started)---Jose's strength's always the junk he throws where he and AJ want to throw it, never been about adequate speed on the flat pitch

hawkjt
05-09-2009, 11:59 AM
Yea, maybe Jose would be stunned by some early run support and pitch a bit better?
Our first inning offense has been abysmal(cept for thursday nite) and maybe it is no coincidence that Burls pitched a bit freeer with a 5 run cushion.
That was a TEAM loss last nite..not just Jose.

ode to veeck
05-09-2009, 12:02 PM
nice to see the Jose love in the normally ranting and raving post game thread, especially after a really ugly loss all the way around it

guillensdisciple
05-09-2009, 02:41 PM
I am going to say that a lot of this goes on an old Jim Thome and a struggling Carlos Quentin.

What they are doing right now does not win baseball games, and when you have a 3 and a 4 who can't hit for their life the whole team will struggle. Pitchers are not afraid to pitch to Carlos because he has no protection. Thome is old and struggling so Carlos will get the crappy pitches that are a foot outside the plate in 1-2 and 3-2 counts. I love Jim, and I know that he has done so much, but he is old. Hitting wise he is the equivalent of a Jose Contreras (this is a bit of a stretch- I am pretty sure he has won us a couple of games this year but you get what I mean).

There were a lot of needs that were not addressed, and I believed that scattering the middle of the order was one of them. Yes, they mashed the living crap out of the ball last year and the year before that, but so many times I saw them flame out against good or crappy pitching (not to mention their performances during in important situations). The problem was never our speed or our fundamentals, rather, it was that glut of old and home run mashing middle guys that we didn't need.

Carlos needs protection- look at what Pujols is doing with Ludwick and Gordon in front of him. Give that to Quentin, and you have a succesful formula for winning.

This might be as simple as forgetting the lefty righty flip and moving Konerko or Dye up in the batting order. I don't know why people get hard ons about this whole switch thing.

kittle42
05-09-2009, 03:52 PM
Well Boo ****ing Hoo, I'm supposed to be feel bad for Jose because he just flat out doesn't have it anymore?

If you give me the amount of money he makes then you can boo me at work all day long as I'll just laugh all the way to the bank.

I would never boo anybody on the Sox but if people want to boo him they can. They paid to get into the game and expect to see him perform. He's stunk for a few years now and I'm just ready to be over it.

People seem to be very passionate about this issue for some reason. While we are in the minority here, I agree with you.

Brian26
05-09-2009, 03:55 PM
Carlos needs protection- look at what Pujols is doing with Ludwick and Gordon in front of him. Give that to Quentin, and you have a succesful formula for winning.

You provide protection for a batter based on who hits behind him, not in front of him.