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JermaineDye05
04-09-2009, 07:53 PM
Looks good tonight. Top prospects in bold.

1) Shelby, CF
2) Beckham, SS
3) Flowers, C
4) Allen, 1B
5) Cook, LF
6) Viciedo, 3B
7) Gartrell, RF
8) Colina, DH
9) Retherford, 2B

Should be interesting to follow. I watched a video earlier today that was talking about some of the prospects to watch in the minors and they mentioned Viciedo and said the Barons lineup will arguably be the best one in the minors. "A team to watch."

I don't think I've ever been this excited about the white sox minors.

DirtySox
04-09-2009, 08:07 PM
Gameday (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_04_09_cngaax_biraax_1)

EnglishChiSox
04-09-2009, 08:09 PM
Sox and Charlotte scored 1 each, surely Birmingham can score a few?

Lookouts radio commentary http://asx.aicmail.net/mlb/lookouts.asx

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:18 PM
Shelby leadoff walk.

Hey call him up, he plays center, and gets on base.

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:21 PM
Beckham strikes out looking

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:24 PM
Flowers with a fielding error. shelby to 2nd 1out


with allen up balk, Shelby to 3rd, Flowers 2nd

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:27 PM
Allen strikes out looking, 2 out

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:32 PM
Cook flies out 3out

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:38 PM
Viciedo leadoffs with a strike out

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:41 PM
Gartrell grounds out, 2 outs

Colina singles


Colina to 2nd with a balk

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:44 PM
Retherford grounds out 3 outs

BadBobbyJenks
04-09-2009, 08:46 PM
Who is Cook?

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:47 PM
David Cook. 27 years old. Thats all i could tell you

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:55 PM
Shelby leads off, grounds out 1 out

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:57 PM
Beckham doubles

EnglishChiSox
04-09-2009, 08:58 PM
Double for Gordon Beckham, bullet through the hole.

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 08:59 PM
Flowers strikes out swinging, 2 outs

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 09:03 PM
Allen Walks...1st and 2nd for Cook

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 09:05 PM
Cook walks....bases loaded for Viciedo

EnglishChiSox
04-09-2009, 09:06 PM
There was another balk called as well, 3 in 2 2/3 innings. :scratch:

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 09:07 PM
There was another balk called as well, 3 in 2 2/3 innings. :scratch:
I've only accounted for 2 balks so far...

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 09:11 PM
Viciedo singles, Beckham scores, Allen thrown out at home. 3-1 Chattanooga after 3

JermaineDye05
04-09-2009, 09:40 PM
Beckham singles in his third AB, Flowers doubles in his 3rd scoring Beckham.

sox1970
04-09-2009, 10:34 PM
Beckham 3-4, 2 singles, double, 3 runs

...
04-09-2009, 10:45 PM
Beckham 3-4, 2 singles, double, 3 runs

The kid has no business in the minors.

Sockinchisox
04-09-2009, 10:52 PM
Retherford homers with 2 out in the 9th to tie it.

sox1970
04-09-2009, 10:52 PM
CJ Retherford is Hawk's pick to click...

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 10:53 PM
shelby singles....beckham up

GregO23
04-09-2009, 10:54 PM
Retherford, stat-wise, looks to be a pretty solid young 2B, who is he?


In Triple A today, Tommy Hanson struck out 10 Knights in 4.2 IP haha...they got killed

gogosox16
04-09-2009, 10:55 PM
Beckham called out on strikes....extra innings

sox1970
04-09-2009, 11:41 PM
Game winner for Beckham. 4-6, RBI, 3 runs. Stud.

Britt Burns
04-09-2009, 11:45 PM
Wow. All the top B-ham prospects got at least 1 hit tonight...Shelby, Beckham, Allen, Flowers, and Vicideo. That's a team.

CashMan
04-09-2009, 11:49 PM
Wow. All the top B-ham prospects got at least 1 hit tonight...Shelby, Beckham, Allen, Flowers, and Vicideo. That's a team.


When was the last time, the Sox had this many decent/good prospects?

DrCrawdad
04-09-2009, 11:54 PM
Game winner for Beckham. 4-6, RBI, 3 runs. Stud.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/images/celebritology/08/carnac.jpg
"By May 15, 2009 Gordon Beckham
will be called up and become the Sox
starting SS. Ramirez will be moved to CF."

sox1970
04-09-2009, 11:57 PM
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/images/celebritology/08/carnac.jpg
"By May 15, 2009 Gordon Beckham
will be called up and become the Sox
starting SS. Ramirez will be moved to CF."

We'll see. I think there's a better chance that Beckham will stay in the minors longer than that, and he'll end up playing 2B.

I have to admit, Ramirez looks as smooth as silk at SS. It's going to be real hard moving him out of there. I mean, if he's a gold glove caliber SS, you pretty much can't.

SOXfnNlansing
04-10-2009, 12:13 AM
I liked reading that game time temperature of 72 degrees. This will be my first season following the Barons on here. Usually when the big club brings up a guy, I really don't have a sense of what kind of player they are. Usually when I player gets traded, I had no idea of who they were. This was a good start for the Barons. There sure are alot of strikeouts in the minors!

soxfan43
04-10-2009, 12:46 AM
Where are you guys going to be following the Barons this year? As in, what's the best site to use?

Sockinchisox
04-10-2009, 12:58 AM
Where are you guys going to be following the Barons this year? As in, what's the best site to use?

MiLB.com (http://www.milb.com)

soxfan43
04-10-2009, 01:01 AM
MiLB.com (http://www.milb.com)

That's what I figured, didn't know if there was a local Birmingham paper or anything that was better.

doublem23
04-10-2009, 01:20 AM
When was the last time, the Sox had this many decent/good prospects?

We had the #1 organization in baseball in 2000.

DirtySox
04-10-2009, 12:04 PM
Barons Get Dramatic Victory to Open Season (http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-sports/2009/04/barons_get_dramatic_victory_to.html#more)

JermaineDye05
04-10-2009, 12:53 PM
Barons Get Dramatic Victory to Open Season (http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-sports/2009/04/barons_get_dramatic_victory_to.html#more)

I like the fact that Beckham also bunted for a single. So much for Brian Anderson being "the closest thing to a 5 tool player we have." Hello Mr. Beckham. I know Beckham can hit for power and it's clear he has decent enough speed to steal 15-20 bases in a season. He appears to be able to hit for average. If he can defend well at second base, look out.

DirtySox
04-10-2009, 01:08 PM
In other news, Jordan Danks went 1 - 4 yesterday with a single, 2 SO's and and an outfield assist.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_09_wswafa_kinafa_1

Hagan
04-10-2009, 06:37 PM
Why do u say he is Hawks pick to click? Did Hawk say that on air?

I know Hawk spent a lot of time watching the minors this year.

DirtySox
04-10-2009, 06:42 PM
Yes, Hawk has mentioned CJ Retherford more than once I believe. Not entirely sure why he is high on him.

DirtySox
04-10-2009, 07:59 PM
4 - 10 Birmingham vs Chattanooga:

Gameday (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_04_10_cngaax_biraax_1)

Audio (http://den-a.plr.liquidcompass.net/standard_plr/audio_player.php?id=WYDEFM&playerType=silverlight)

Lineup:

Shelby, CF
Beckham, SS
Flowers, C
Allen, 1B
Cook, LF
Viciedo, 3B
Gartrell, RF
Colina, DH
Retherford, 2B
McCulloch, P

sox1970
04-10-2009, 09:55 PM
Beckham 2-4, RBI

DrCrawdad
04-10-2009, 10:02 PM
Beckham 2-4, RBI

That's 2-4 so far!

DirtySox
04-10-2009, 11:00 PM
Jordan Danks goes 3 - 5 with a double, triple, homerun, 3 RBI's and 2 K's.


http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_10_wswafa_kinafa_1

Frater Perdurabo
04-10-2009, 11:22 PM
Jordan Danks goes 3 - 5 with a double, triple, homerun, 3 RBI's and 2 K's.


http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_10_wswafa_kinafa_1

Maybe he can work his way into the CF/leadoff picture sometime soon.

sox1970
04-12-2009, 08:23 PM
Three scoreless innings for Jhonny Nunez. He's going to be the best part of that Swisher trade.

DrCrawdad
04-12-2009, 08:38 PM
Three scoreless innings for Jhonny Nunez. He's going to be the best part of that Swisher trade.

Marquez got destroyed in his first start.

palehozenychicty
04-12-2009, 11:38 PM
Nunez was said to have real potential. Marquez may not amount to much. We still don't know, but he has not looked good in a while. I wish that Kenny had been able to turn Swisher into Gardner. We'd at least have a real leadoff option. Oh well.

oeo
04-12-2009, 11:44 PM
Nunez was said to have real potential. Marquez may not amount to much. We still don't know, but he has not looked good in a while. I wish that Kenny had been able to turn Swisher into Gardner. We'd at least have a real leadoff option. Oh well.

No we wouldn't, Brett Gardner sucks.

palehozenychicty
04-13-2009, 12:12 AM
No we wouldn't, Brett Gardner sucks.


He can't be any worse than Anderson and Wise. He plays solid d and has an arm. He bunts well and has great speed, but hasn't hit consistently. I digress, but at least we'd be rid of the Anderson/Wise problem.

oeo
04-13-2009, 12:56 AM
I digress, but at least we'd be rid of the Anderson/Wise problem.

Well, then it would just be an Anderson/Gardner problem or a Wise/Gardner problem.

jabrch
04-13-2009, 04:16 AM
Maybe he can work his way into the CF/leadoff picture sometime soon.

I'm sure he is in the picture...just not any time in the near future.

cws05champ
04-13-2009, 10:35 AM
Jordan Danks goes 3 - 5 with a double, triple, homerun, 3 RBI's and 2 K's.


http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_10_wswafa_kinafa_1

Looks like Santo Luis got lit up, 0 IP, 3BB, 2H 5 ER ouch!!!

russ99
04-13-2009, 08:27 PM
4 - 10 Birmingham vs Chattanooga:

Gameday (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_04_10_cngaax_biraax_1)

Audio (http://den-a.plr.liquidcompass.net/standard_plr/audio_player.php?id=WYDEFM&playerType=silverlight)

Lineup:

Shelby, CF
Beckham, SS
Flowers, C
Allen, 1B
Cook, LF
Viciedo, 3B
Gartrell, RF
Colina, DH
Retherford, 2B
McCulloch, P


Wow. The top half of that lineup is nice! If we can get 3 of those guys as quality MLB regulars in a few years we'll have a pretty solid team.

DirtySox
04-13-2009, 08:46 PM
It has been a fun team to follow thus far. Allen/Beckham/Flowers have been mashing. Hopefully Viciedo starts to show some power.

JermaineDye05
04-13-2009, 08:53 PM
Allen is 2-2 so far with a single and a triple. I have to say I'm rather excited about having a first base prospect who won't be a base clogger.

DirtySox
04-13-2009, 08:58 PM
I'm real excited about Allen as well. Aside from Beckham, he is the most intriguing prospect in my eyes.

He was even 17 for 21 in stolen bases last year. He's a big one with some speed.

oeo
04-13-2009, 08:59 PM
Allen is 2-2 so far with a single and a triple. I have to say I'm rather excited about having a first base prospect who won't be a base clogger.

Just my opinion, but I don't think Allen ever wears a Sox uniform. We already have a couple other guys who may end up at 1B...I think he's going to be dealt. Maybe later this year to fill CF...?

Britt Burns
04-13-2009, 09:15 PM
Just my opinion, but I don't think Allen ever wears a Sox uniform. We already have a couple other guys who may end up at 1B...I think he's going to be dealt. Maybe later this year to fill CF...?

I hope we keep him, especially if Flowers proves he can handle catching.

JermaineDye05
04-13-2009, 09:17 PM
As we're talking about him, Brandon singles in his 3rd ab. This time driving in Birmingham's 3rd run.

DirtySox
04-13-2009, 09:18 PM
I hope we keep him, especially if Flowers proves he can handle catching.

Very much agreed.

Allen is now 3 for 3 today with an RBI single.

Viciedo also just hit his 2nd RBI single of the day.

JermaineDye05
04-13-2009, 09:23 PM
Very much agreed.

Allen is now 3 for 3 today with an RBI single.

Viciedo also just hit his 2nd RBI single of the day.

Dayan also just stole a base :o:

russ99
04-13-2009, 09:25 PM
I'm real excited about Allen as well. Aside from Beckham, he is the most intriguing prospect in my eyes.

He was even 17 for 21 in stolen bases last year. He's a big one with some speed.

Something tells me Kenny will hold onto him. With Thome, Dye and Konerko possibly leaving the team in each of the next three years, we'll need a guy like Allen.

JermaineDye05
04-13-2009, 09:31 PM
Something tells me Kenny will hold onto him. With Thome, Dye and Konerko possibly leaving the team in each of the next three years, we'll need a guy like Allen.

He seems to be that happy medium that both Kenny and Ozzie can be happy with. Allen can hit for some power which is good for our ballpark, however he isn't station to station. He can steal some bases and allow Ozzie to play "small ball." I'm sure Ozzie told Kenny to hang onto him after seeing him in spring training.

SoXPriDe33
04-13-2009, 09:38 PM
He seems to be that happy medium that both Kenny and Ozzie can be happy with. Allen can hit for some power which is good for our ballpark, however he isn't station to station. He can steal some bases and allow Ozzie to play "small ball." I'm sure Ozzie told Kenny to hang onto him after seeing him in spring training.

Agreed

I think Allen will be at 1B or DH with Viciedo taking over the other. This is of course assuming the Flowers remains behind the plate. I'm very excited for the future as I'm sure most you here are.

DirtySox
04-13-2009, 09:48 PM
In other news, Charlotte continues to suck:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_13_noraaa_chraaa_1

And Jordan Danks continues to strike out alot:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_04_13_wswafa_lynafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb

sox1970
04-13-2009, 09:54 PM
The Future BA is 4-4. Batting .524 now.

oeo
04-13-2009, 10:04 PM
I hope we keep him, especially if Flowers proves he can handle catching.

Also have to take into account the Fields and Viciedo situation. One of them is going to have to move. Viciedo may be able to take over in the outfield, but who knows?

If Allen is having a good season and can be good trade bait at the deadline, Kenny won't be afraid to pull the trigger.

DirtySox
04-13-2009, 10:27 PM
Beckham hits his first homer. 2 run shot.

JermaineDye05
04-13-2009, 11:05 PM
Beckham hits his first homer. 2 run shot.

The White Sox future looks really promising. Kenny has done a good job fixing the minors, he still has some work to do but he's definitely on the right track.

gogosox16
04-13-2009, 11:17 PM
I just can't see how the Sox are going to be able to keep Beckham in the minors for very long. He is going to be a dandy. I believe he will be up here within a month or 2.

California Sox
04-14-2009, 01:43 AM
Also have to take into account the Fields and Viciedo situation. One of them is going to have to move. Viciedo may be able to take over in the outfield, but who knows?

If Allen is having a good season and can be good trade bait at the deadline, Kenny won't be afraid to pull the trigger.

Allen can also play LF. He and Jordan Danks are the only lefty hitting prospects we have. I know KW will trade anyone, anytime, but I'd personally like to keep him.

cws05champ
04-14-2009, 08:58 AM
I just can't see how the Sox are going to be able to keep Beckham in the minors for very long. He is going to be a dandy. I believe he will be up here within a month or 2.
If he were doing this in A ball I would still be skeptical, but he is hitting .455/.682/1.202 with 15 total bases in 22 AB's...in AA. I know it's a small sample size but this kid has me looking forward to the near future.

Thatguyoverthere
04-14-2009, 01:40 PM
I love the position the Sox are in right now. They can compete now and in the future. The minor league system went from a barren wasteland to somewhat promising in a very short time.

whitesox901
04-14-2009, 07:48 PM
I love the position the Sox are in right now. They can compete now and in the future. The minor league system went from a barren wasteland to somewhat promising in a very short time.

It seems like the signing of Beckham & Viciedo plus the Altanta and New York trades did it.

DirtySox
04-14-2009, 09:25 PM
Dash vs Lynchburg (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_04_14_wswafa_lynafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb)

Jordan Danks goes 0 - 3 with 2 K's and 2 BB's.

rdivaldi
04-14-2009, 09:34 PM
Kannapolis off to a great start (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_14_kanafx_lexafx_1)

Gregory Infante is a name to keep in the back of your head. We signed him out of Venezuela in 2006 and he's made steady progress since then. Features a solid 90-95 mph fastball and a good curve.

DirtySox
04-14-2009, 09:41 PM
Yar. Infante is opening eyes, especially after his first start (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090410&content_id=4207324&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb).

DirtySox
04-14-2009, 10:07 PM
Wow. I didn't realize Infante induced 14 ground balls to 1 fly ball tonight. I like.

DirtySox
04-15-2009, 03:57 PM
Manto on White Sox Hitters (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=3360#more-3360)

Sockinchisox
04-15-2009, 07:29 PM
RBI double for Gordo.

JermaineDye05
04-15-2009, 07:42 PM
RBI double for Gordo.

he just keeps on rolling. it's not even challenging for him anymore. I wanna see how does against some of the real good pitchers, have him hit against David Price before he's called back up!

Sockinchisox
04-15-2009, 07:44 PM
he just keeps on rolling. it's not even challenging for him anymore. I wanna see how does against some of the real good pitchers, have him hit against David Price before he's called back up!

Ya, him and Brandon Allen don't seem to have any trouble hitting AA pitching so far. If they keep it up for a month or so I'm sure they'll both be in Charlotte.

Beckham just made an error.

...
04-15-2009, 11:01 PM
Manto on White Sox Hitters (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=3360#more-3360)

Wow, what a great read!

CashMan
04-15-2009, 11:53 PM
Ya, him and Brandon Allen don't seem to have any trouble hitting AA pitching so far. If they keep it up for a month or so I'm sure they'll both be in Charlotte.

Beckham just made an error.


I thought all the real pitching prospects were in AA, so wouldn't the next logical choice be MLB for Beckham?

Britt Burns
04-16-2009, 12:44 AM
I thought all the real pitching prospects were in AA, so wouldn't the next logical choice be MLB for Beckham?

That's not really true. There are way more pitchers at AAA with major league experience, and you can find a lot of top prospects there also--David Price, for instance.

CashMan
04-16-2009, 10:29 AM
That's not really true. There are way more pitchers at AAA with major league experience, and you can find a lot of top prospects there also--David Price, for instance.

Ok, makes sense. I was under the impression all the top pitching talent was in AA, but I forgot prospects like Price are in AAA.

DirtySox
04-16-2009, 10:33 PM
Jordan Danks (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2009_04_16_wswafa_lynafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb) finally plays a game without striking out.

3 - 5 with a HR, Double, and 2 RBI's.

DirtySox
04-16-2009, 10:36 PM
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_16_noraaa_chraaa_1

Marquez goes 3.2 IP with 8 hits, 4 BB, 2 K and 6 ER. Yuck.

Pods goes 0 - 4 with 1 SO.

DirtySox
04-16-2009, 10:42 PM
In AA land:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_16_biraax_tenaax_1

No hits for Allen or Beckham. (Demotion?) Shelby had a few hits, Flowers had a triple, and Viciedo continues to hit singles.

jabrch
04-17-2009, 12:12 AM
Pods goes 0 - 4 with 1 SO.

Midseason form....

DirtySox
04-17-2009, 12:36 AM
Pods also had an error. Missed that.

JermaineDye05
04-18-2009, 10:07 PM
Beckham is 3-5 tonight with a double and a HR, also a stolen base.

DirtySox
04-18-2009, 10:12 PM
Today Jordan Danks (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_18_wswafa_kinafa_1) went 2 - 3 with a BB and a 2B. More importantly he didn't strikeout for the 3rd game in a row.

Gordon Beckham was 3 - 5 with a HR, 2B, and a SB.

Tyler Flowers was 1 - 4 with a 2B, RBI, 2 K's and a BB.

Brandon Allen was 1 - 4 with a 3B, RBI, and a BB.

Viciedo was 1 - 5 with 1 K.

http://birmingham.barons.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&gid=2009_04_18_biraax_tenaax_1&did=t247&sid=t247

California Sox
04-18-2009, 11:12 PM
I believe that was three games in a row without a K for Danks.

It's all about cutting down the Ks for him. With his overall game, he doesn't have to hit for a huge average or slam 30 homers, but no one can make it striking out 1 out of every 3 ABs.

JermaineDye05
04-18-2009, 11:22 PM
I believe that was three games in a row without a K for Danks.

It's all about cutting down the Ks for him. With his overall game, he doesn't have to hit for a huge average or slam 30 homers, but no one can make it striking out 1 out of every 3 ABs.

:anderson:

"What you talkin' bout California?"

jabrch
04-19-2009, 12:20 AM
Pods also had an error. Missed that.

Midseason form....

I'll repeat myself for emphasis.

DrCrawdad
04-19-2009, 12:42 AM
Beckham is 3-5 tonight with a double and a HR, also a stolen base.

If Beckham keeps this up it's going to be hard for the Sox to justify why they're keeping him in AA (memories of 1990 and the Sox keeping Frank Thomas down in AA).

DSpivack
04-19-2009, 01:34 AM
If Beckham keeps this up it's going to be hard for the Sox to justify why they're keeping him in AA (memories of 1990 and the Sox keeping Frank Thomas down in AA).

Would there be any reason to promote him to AAA, or will he be eventually promoted straight from AA to the majors?

DonnieDarko
04-19-2009, 01:50 AM
Having Beckham come up to the majors straight from AA and play great 2B or even SS for us would be a very, very nice problem to have. Don't quite see it happening, though.

doublem23
04-19-2009, 03:37 AM
Would there be any reason to promote him to AAA, or will he be eventually promoted straight from AA to the majors?

I will assume that Beckham plays the full season in AA (maybe gets a September call-up) and is starting everyday in the middle infield next year for the Sox.

DirtySox
04-19-2009, 11:24 AM
This Week in the Minor Leagues (http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/19/843102/this-week-in-white-sox-minor)

Good succinct update of this weeks performances.

Randar68
04-19-2009, 03:30 PM
I will assume that Beckham plays the full season in AA (maybe gets a September call-up) and is starting everyday in the middle infield next year for the Sox.

If Getz or Ramirez have anything happen where they have to miss more than a couple games, I wouldn't be surprised to see him come on up and take the spot, especially if he is still raking in June or July.

Redus Redux
04-19-2009, 04:33 PM
If Alexei keeps struggling they'll have no compunction about moving him to center

AR has not looked mega-outstanding at SS but he hasnt been challenged with anything real difficult in the hole has he?

there's that little double clutch he keeps doing which i hope wont come to bite him one day

DirtySox
04-19-2009, 04:55 PM
B-Ham and Kanny games were postponed today due to rain. :(:

wsf4l
04-19-2009, 04:59 PM
Do you think B-ham could beat Charlotte?

...
04-19-2009, 05:22 PM
Do you think B-ham could beat Charlotte?

Yes and it wouldn't even be close.

Sargeant79
04-20-2009, 09:50 AM
If Alexei keeps struggling they'll have no compunction about moving him to center


He's played great defense at SS so far. What does his offensive struggles have to do with where he plays? If he continues to struggle, he'll see more days on the bench before he sees any days in CF.

CashMan
04-20-2009, 12:20 PM
He's played great defense at SS so far. What does his offensive struggles have to do with where he plays? If he continues to struggle, he'll see more days on the bench before he sees any days in CF.

I doubt he gets benched. I believe he got off to a slow start last year. I am not worried about him.

EMachine10
04-20-2009, 08:29 PM
Nix is playing SS for BHam tonight.

rdivaldi
04-20-2009, 11:12 PM
Nix is playing SS for BHam tonight.

And playing well, 2-4 with 3 rbis.

JermaineDye05
04-20-2009, 11:50 PM
Nix is playing SS for BHam tonight.

More importantly:

Gordon Beckham was playing 2B!!!! This could mean nothing or this could mean something huge is about to happen in the near future. I believe Stone said to keep an eye on Beckham and once he makes the transition from SS to 2B then that could be an early sign that the White Sox are getting ready to call him up. I think it's interesting because Nix was playing 2B throughout ST. Also for majority of his career, Nix was a 2B so I have to say that it's very interesting that Gordon was playing 2B and not SS.

EMachine10
04-21-2009, 12:23 AM
More importantly:

Gordon Beckham was playing 2B!!!! This could mean nothing or this could mean something huge is about to happen in the near future. I believe Stone said to keep an eye on Beckham and once he makes the transition from SS to 2B then that could be an early sign that the White Sox are getting ready to call him up. I think it's interesting because Nix was playing 2B throughout ST. Also for majority of his career, Nix was a 2B so I have to say that it's very interesting that Gordon was playing 2B and not SS.
And if we know anything about Stone's forecasting during games, it's usually right.

CashMan
04-21-2009, 12:35 AM
More importantly:

Gordon Beckham was playing 2B!!!! This could mean nothing or this could mean something huge is about to happen in the near future. I believe Stone said to keep an eye on Beckham and once he makes the transition from SS to 2B then that could be an early sign that the White Sox are getting ready to call him up. I think it's interesting because Nix was playing 2B throughout ST. Also for majority of his career, Nix was a 2B so I have to say that it's very interesting that Gordon was playing 2B and not SS.


The thing is, Getz isn't doing bad, and Beckham doesn't solve the leadoff spot.

JermaineDye05
04-21-2009, 12:54 AM
The thing is, Getz isn't doing bad, and Beckham doesn't solve the leadoff spot.

Skip Schumaker possibly could...

I'm not saying that Kenny is going to trade for Skip Schumaker. I'm just saying that he likes to deal and he's always looking to improve this team. If he believes he can get himself a bonafide leadoff hitter by trading someone like Getz, along with other prospects, he would pull the trigger in a heartbeat.

oeo
04-21-2009, 12:56 AM
More importantly:

Gordon Beckham was playing 2B!!!! This could mean nothing or this could mean something huge is about to happen in the near future. I believe Stone said to keep an eye on Beckham and once he makes the transition from SS to 2B then that could be an early sign that the White Sox are getting ready to call him up. I think it's interesting because Nix was playing 2B throughout ST. Also for majority of his career, Nix was a 2B so I have to say that it's very interesting that Gordon was playing 2B and not SS.

I think Nix at SS is more of a hint that he might be joining the team (replacing Lillibridge, perhaps?). If Nix can handle SS, he would probably be a better option than Lillibridge. There's no reason to see Beckham quite yet.

JermaineDye05
04-21-2009, 12:59 AM
I think Nix at SS is more of a hint that he might be joining the team (replacing Lillibridge, perhaps?). There's no reason to see Beckham quite yet.

I can't see Ozzie letting go of Lillibridge, not after he tagged up on that pop-up Saturday night. Lillibridge's speed has helped us out already in some big games, like against Minnesota and Detroit.

oeo
04-21-2009, 01:04 AM
I can't see Ozzie letting go of Lillibridge, not after he tagged up on that pop-up Saturday night. Lillibridge's speed has helped us out already in some big games, like against Minnesota and Detroit.

What does speed matter when he's not going to get on base? He has so far, but his high K numbers will catch up to him.

Nix isn't a slouch on the base paths, anyway. Again, as you mentioned, Nix has always been a second baseman...wouldn't it make more sense that his first game back and playing was to see if he can handle SS for the big league club? Moving Beckham to 2B right now makes little to no sense.

If Beckham were to come up right now, it would be to play SS. Alexei has been non-existent at the plate. I highly doubt we'll see a trade this early, either, since the offense seems be gelling quite well, and with Getz at the top of the order to boot.

Another possibility could be sending Owens down, and having Lillibridge as the backup centerfielder. I really doubt this means anything for Beckham.

CashMan
04-21-2009, 01:08 AM
Skip Schumaker possibly could...

I'm not saying that Kenny is going to trade for Skip Schumaker. I'm just saying that he likes to deal and he's always looking to improve this team. If he believes he can get himself a bonafide leadoff hitter by trading someone like Getz, along with other prospects, he would pull the trigger in a heartbeat.


Are you just picking someone, or is their evidence towards this happening?

JermaineDye05
04-21-2009, 01:13 AM
Are you just picking someone, or is their evidence towards this happening?

Picking someone. I believe someone on this board before brought up this trade idea. There was no evidence to it, just the fact that the White Sox needed a centerfielder and the Cardinals needed a second baseman.

JermaineDye05
04-21-2009, 01:16 AM
What does speed matter when he's not going to get on base? He has so far, but his high K numbers will catch up to him.

Nix isn't a slouch on the base paths, anyway. Again, as you mentioned, Nix has always been a second baseman...wouldn't it make more sense that his first game back and playing was to see if he can handle SS for the big league club? Moving Beckham to 2B right now makes little to no sense.

If Beckham were to come up right now, it would be to play SS. Alexei has been non-existent at the plate. I highly doubt we'll see a trade this early, either, since the offense seems be gelling quite well, and with Getz at the top of the order to boot.

Another possibility could be sending Owens down, and having Lillibridge as the backup centerfielder. I really doubt this means anything for Beckham.

That actually makes the most sense. I can't believe I didn't think of that before.

http://www.thebbps.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/the-simpsons-d-oh-mini-posters-71133.jpg

JermaineDye05
04-21-2009, 01:41 PM
Article that mentions The Barons:

Link (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090420&content_id=566752&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp)

JermaineDye05
04-21-2009, 08:29 PM
Same story tonight, Beckham 2B and Nix SS

JermaineDye05
04-21-2009, 10:09 PM
Tyler Flowers hit his 2nd homer of the season.

decolores9628
04-22-2009, 05:52 PM
Tyler Flowers hit his 2nd homer of the season.


Has anyone seen how he looks behind the plate? Thats the biggest concern of mine.

JermaineDye05
04-22-2009, 05:59 PM
Has anyone seen how he looks behind the plate? Thats the biggest concern of mine.

From what I saw in ST, he looked below average at best behind the plate. Definitely needs some work back there.

TomBradley72
04-23-2009, 01:15 PM
I think the Beckham move is part of a bigger plan from KW. I think they see him as the long term solution at 2nd base...looks like he's ahead of schedule so he's now part of their 2009 plan at the major league level.

So now they hope to mazimize the trade value of Nix, Lillibridge and Getz...with the idea of trading 1 or 2 from that group for additional pitching or outfield depth. Most likely Nix and Getz...because Lillibridge can play 2B, SS and OF. Getz is the most likely to go, because he only plays 2nd base.

jabrch
04-23-2009, 02:19 PM
I think the Beckham move is part of a bigger plan from KW. I think they see him as the long term solution at 2nd base...looks like he's ahead of schedule so he's now part of their 2009 plan at the major league level.

So now they hope to mazimize the trade value of Nix, Lillibridge and Getz...with the idea of trading 1 or 2 from that group for additional pitching or outfield depth. Most likely Nix and Getz...because Lillibridge can play 2B, SS and OF. Getz is the most likely to go, because he only plays 2nd base.

If Getz continues to do what he has done so far this year, hitting .316/.386/.395 in 38 ABs (ridiculously small sample size - so it is of limited validity), he will be very valueable, either to us, or in trade. I'd be in no hurry to trade him. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about what Beckham will potentially do for us. But the good news is that if we are shopping Getz in July, and if he keeps doing what he is doing right now, there will be a lot of teams intersted in him and we could fetch a big price.

DonnieDarko
04-23-2009, 02:21 PM
If Getz continues to do what he has done so far this year, hitting .316/.386/.395 in 38 ABs (ridiculously small sample size - so it is of limited validity), he will be very valueable, either to us, or in trade. I'd be in no hurry to trade him. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about what Beckham will potentially do for us. But the good news is that if we are shopping Getz in July, and if he keeps doing what he is doing right now, there will be a lot of teams intersted in him and we could fetch a big price.

I was thinking that too. It would be nice to get something for him. But then the question must be asked...who's going to lead off if we trade him? If a trade is going to happen, I see it happening in the '09 offseason.

TomBradley72
04-23-2009, 03:03 PM
I was thinking that too. It would be nice to get something for him. But then the question must be asked...who's going to lead off if we trade him? If a trade is going to happen, I see it happening in the '09 offseason.

I can't disagree with the logic. But I don't think they would be moving Beckham to 2nd base in April if they were thinking that long term. I'm a big fan of Chris Getz, but the reality is that he only plays 2nd base, so not the best guy for a back up infielder role. I don't think they will "dump him" or want to send him back to AAA...if they can get good trade value and give him the chance to play every day...I think they are planning to move him.

JorgeFabregas
04-23-2009, 04:59 PM
the reality is that he only plays 2nd base, so not the best guy for a back up infielder role.
I don't know how well, but he played 27 games at SS and 15 games in the OF last year.

JermaineDye05
04-23-2009, 09:06 PM
Brandon Allen hit his first HR. A 3-run jack in the first.

Meanwhile, Aaron Poreda is having himself a game.

Line through 4:

1 H 0 R 0 BB 7 K

You'd think his pitch count would be high, but he's only at 57 through the first 4.

4 strike outs swinging, and 3 looking. A nice mix for Aaron.

DirtySox
04-23-2009, 09:20 PM
Been following this game too, but haven't been listening to the broadcast. One would assume with the amount of strikes he's throwing he's getting the secondary offerings over the plate.

It would be huge if he could develop into a solid starter.

JermaineDye05
04-23-2009, 09:23 PM
9 strike outs through 5 now for Aaron.

70 pitches.

DirtySox
04-23-2009, 09:26 PM
Beckham and Viciedo continue to slump unfortunately. Although Beckham's batting average is still up there.

DirtySox
04-23-2009, 09:30 PM
The 10 strikeouts are all gravy but I'm more happy with the no walks. He was issuing alot of free passes in his first few starts (and not going far into games), as he's being forced to throw things other than his fastball. I hope we can get an in depth report of what he was throwing tonight.

DirtySox
04-23-2009, 09:56 PM
Gonna assume Poreda is done for the evening as he is at 103 pitches after getting a 3rd out strikeout with the bases loaded.

7.0 IP 11 K's 1 BB Hit 1 batter, and gave up 4 hits.

DirtySox
04-23-2009, 10:19 PM
Larry over at Southsidesox (http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/4/12/831835/sohows-your-minor-leagues-white) on Poreda's start: (I'm assuming I'm allowed to quote someone's reply on a messageboard)

This is what happens when Poreda has his slider:

7 IP, 4 hits, 1 BB, HBP,11 K. he was filthy. absolutely filthy. he toyed with hitters most of the game. nobody hit the ball in the air off of him until the 6th. no one made solid contact until then, either (and that “triple” was the only solid hit off of him). he was locating his slider for strikes and his fastball hit 97 on the birmingham gun. he got into trouble in the 7th but how he got into trouble was a couple broken bat singles – guys still weren’t making good contact. he was obviously running out of gas in the 7th, as his fastball was only in the low 90s by then and his pitch count was approaching 100. but, after loading the bases with his first walk of the game, he got his 11th strikeout looking to end the threat and complete his evening.

in other news, allen hit his first homer (off of a lefty, no less) and dented the birmingham scoreboard in the process.

DirtySox
04-24-2009, 10:52 AM
Poreda Dominates in First Win (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090423&content_id=569507&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp)

cws05champ
04-24-2009, 11:04 AM
http://10903257332.baseball.cbssports.com/news/11671633

A little fantasy article on Beckham....2nd story in.

CashMan
04-24-2009, 12:20 PM
http://10903257332.baseball.cbssports.com/news/11671633

A little fantasy article on Beckham....2nd story in.

Interesting quote IMO from Ozzie: "Alexei will be my shortstop in the pennant race."

It seems when Ozzie goes out of his way to make comments like they it is a smoke screen. I am pretty sure, he said after a couple games, I don't wanna put pressure on Getz so he won't be leading off. And what happend?

Konerko05
04-24-2009, 03:39 PM
I think some people are overanalyzing Beckham playing 2B for a few weeks.

The Sox are playing Nix at SS to see if he can handle the utility infield role. In the meantime the Sox are getting Beckham some valuable time at 2B to keep all options open.

Nix doen't have any value to the White Sox if he's strictly a 2B. He would basically be a wasted roster spot. If Nix can handle SS, he will either take Owens' or Lillibridge's spot on the roster.

I'm really hoping it's Owens' spot. Lillibridge speed on the basepaths is much more useful than Owens'. Lillibridge could also backup CF.

This position change is more about Nix than Beckham. I'm sure Beckham will go back to SS after a move with Nix is made.

DirtySox
04-24-2009, 03:46 PM
Yes. Nix was playing SS in anticipation of a future Utility infield role. Beckham only played 2B for 2 maybe 3 games? Anyhow, Nix is now in Charlotte.

BP Says the Same (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8779)

JermaineDye05
04-25-2009, 02:32 PM
Brandon Allen continues to tear it up.

3-4 last night, a double shy of the cycle.

Beckham was 2-4 to end his little slump.

DirtySox
04-25-2009, 08:43 PM
Beckham staying hot. 2 for 2 with 2 doubles so far. Flowers has hit his 3rd homerun of the year as well.

DirtySox
04-25-2009, 09:30 PM
Slugfest going on in Winston Salem.

Jordan Danks raking. He's 3 for 3 with 2 Doubles, 2 Walks, 1 SB and 1 RBI.

JermaineDye05
04-25-2009, 10:12 PM
Pods having a good night in Charlotte, 3-4. He's playing as the DH though.

Taliesinrk
04-25-2009, 10:50 PM
Pods having a good night in Charlotte, 3-4. He's playing as the DH though.

That's good to hear. JO got a hit tonight... although he took the worst 2-0 swing I've seen in a long, long time in his first AB.

Quentin4prez
04-26-2009, 11:09 AM
im liking our minor league system offensively it seems any position we might have a hole at soon can be filled from within and not to mention the depth in the middle infield
CF
DH
C
1B

chunk
04-26-2009, 03:36 PM
Beckham staying hot. 2 for 2 with 2 doubles so far. Flowers has hit his 3rd homerun of the year as well.

His second double was honestly not a double. It was a dropped fly ball, but there were like 5 fielders around it, so I guess the scorekeeper didn't know who to give the error to. Viciedo is very unhappy, he threw his helmet after his last out.

CJ Retherford is rather ugly.

JermaineDye05
04-26-2009, 05:33 PM
His second double was honestly not a double. It was a dropped fly ball, but there were like 5 fielders around it, so I guess the scorekeeper didn't know who to give the error to. Viciedo is very unhappy, he threw his helmet after his last out.

CJ Retherford is rather ugly.

He's batting .203 and has very few xbh. I'd be pissed too. He'll figure it out eventually, I'm not too worried.

SOXfnNlansing
04-27-2009, 05:32 AM
Price stole home in Sunday's game. Top of the 6th. It could be the 230 pound catcher's first professional stolen base. I wonder if they threw to 2nd to get Shelby and Price just scored on the play. Either way, pretty cool for a catcher.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_log&gid=2009_04_26_biraax_mobaax_1&did=t247&sid=t247

cws05champ
04-27-2009, 06:38 AM
He's batting .203 and has very few xbh. I'd be pissed too. He'll figure it out eventually, I'm not too worried.

Maybe they overestimated his hitting ability this early. Could a demotion to high A be in the cards soon? Or maybe they are hoping the better pitching will challenge him to get better.

JermaineDye05
04-27-2009, 09:17 PM
Brandon Allen hit his 3rd HR.

Dayan went back-to-back with him and hit his first. 2-2 tonight with a SB.

CJ Retherford also homored.

oeo
04-28-2009, 12:29 AM
Maybe they overestimated his hitting ability this early. Could a demotion to high A be in the cards soon? Or maybe they are hoping the better pitching will challenge him to get better.

Maybe we should give the 20-year-old kid (from Cuba, mind you) some time to get acclimated before we start jerking him around?

JermaineDye05
04-28-2009, 12:39 AM
Maybe we should give the 20-year-old kid (from Cuba, mind you) some time to get acclimated before we start jerking him around?

He had a good night tonight, 3-4 with a HR.

jabrch
04-28-2009, 12:55 PM
Maybe they overestimated his hitting ability this early. Could a demotion to high A be in the cards soon? Or maybe they are hoping the better pitching will challenge him to get better.

Maybe it is too early too make a call on him?

SOXfnNlansing
04-29-2009, 12:46 AM
The Barons' ran into a buzz saw tonight:

stud pitcher Bryan Augenstein (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Augenstein%20%28W%2C%204-0%29&pos=P&sid=t247&t=p_pbp&pid=446248)

DirtySox
04-29-2009, 12:45 PM
Kannapolis' pitching staff continues to impress. (The starters at least.)

Dexter Carter with 6.0 IP, 4 Hits, no BB's, and 6 K's.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_29_hicafx_kanafx_1

JohnTucker0814
04-29-2009, 01:53 PM
I'm going to comment on how great I feel about our minor league system on the offensive side... within' a few years you'll be looking at possibly the youngest, most athletic line-up in baseball...

C - Flowers
1b - Allen
2b - Getz
3b - Fields
SS - Beckham
LF - Viciedo
CF - Ramirez/Danks
RF - Quentin

All of these being "homegrown" talent for the most part, saving money to maybe make a splash in the FA market for a top line pitcher to stabalize the rotation behind Floyd, Danks and Buehrle... I'm pumped about the future of this team if some guys can develop over the next few years.

guillen4life13
04-29-2009, 02:01 PM
I'm going to comment on how great I feel about our minor league system on the offensive side... within' a few years you'll be looking at possibly the youngest, most athletic line-up in baseball...

C - Flowers
1b - Allen
2b - Getz
3b - Fields
SS - Beckham
LF - Viciedo
CF - Ramirez/Danks
RF - Quentin

All of these being "homegrown" talent for the most part, saving money to maybe make a splash in the FA market for a top line pitcher to stabalize the rotation behind Floyd, Danks and Buehrle... I'm pumped about the future of this team if some guys can develop over the next few years.

Arrange that lineup:

CF Danks
SS Beckham
1B Allen
RF Quentin
3B Fields
C Flowers
LF Viciedo
DH ??
2B Ramirez

I'm really wondering who will end up being let go of come next year or two years from now among Ramirez, Beckham and Getz.

But from the looks of this lineup, the only two players who are "station to station" would be Quentin, Viciedo and Flowers, if that. Allen is very mobile.

Very exciting, isn't it?

DSpivack
04-29-2009, 02:14 PM
Arrange that lineup:

CF Danks
SS Beckham
1B Allen
RF Quentin
3B Fields
C Flowers
LF Viciedo
DH ??
2B Ramirez

I'm really wondering who will end up being let go of come next year or two years from now among Ramirez, Beckham and Getz.

But from the looks of this lineup, the only two players who are "station to station" would be Quentin, Viciedo and Flowers, if that. Allen is very mobile.

Very exciting, isn't it?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It'd be pretty amazing if all of them pan out.

guillen4life13
04-29-2009, 02:29 PM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It'd be pretty amazing if all of them pan out.

This is WSI. Never let reality get in the way of a pipe dream.

JohnTucker0814
04-29-2009, 03:00 PM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It'd be pretty amazing if all of them pan out.

The nice thing is they are playing well in the minors. Most of the time us Sox fans get to say we are excited about someone... then they stink it up in the minors and have no shot. But to this point the only guy struggling is Viciedo. So I think it's okay to be optimistic about our "O". The other nice thing is we don't have to worry about paying an average player $10MM to fill a hole, we can fill holes within'!

DSpivack
04-29-2009, 03:19 PM
The nice thing is they are playing well in the minors. Most of the time us Sox fans get to say we are excited about someone... then they stink it up in the minors and have no shot. But to this point the only guy struggling is Viciedo. So I think it's okay to be optimistic about our "O". The other nice thing is we don't have to worry about paying an average player $10MM to fill a hole, we can fill holes within'!

Well, offensively yeah. But a guy like Flowers, it's hard to see him as a catcher in the bigs. Has he showed anything in the B'Ham that he can play behind the plate?

JermaineDye05
04-29-2009, 03:28 PM
Flowers hit his 4th HR today.

Beckham had an rbi double.

UofCSoxFan
04-29-2009, 04:00 PM
Not to completely rain on the parade, but it is a bit concerning that Beckham has 6 errors in 19 games this year. Viciedo has 5. Both had concerns about their ability to field their respective positions.

jabrch
04-29-2009, 05:12 PM
Not to completely rain on the parade, but it is a bit concerning that Beckham has 6 errors in 19 games this year. Viciedo has 5. Both had concerns about their ability to field their respective positions.

Fields had a lot of errors early on. He played Defense with his face, worse than Daver's ass chews gum.

He appears to have developed a bit - he's still no GGer, but he's better than he was a few years ago.

Concerning? I guess so.

Viciedo I never expected to stay at 3B. I can see him moving to 1B as he gets older and maybe larger. (He's 20 right now - right?) Beckham...I'm not overly concerned. We were told he may not project to be a MLB SS. I think if he were to move to 2B, and had time to work the position, he'd be a decent defensive 2B - certainly league average - over time.

That said, if they don't improve from that point, then yes, that would be an issue.

DirtySox
05-01-2009, 11:41 AM
Hudson had a whale of a game (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_30_lcoafx_kanafx_1) yesterday.

7.0 IP, 2 Hits, 1 BB, 13 K's.

Hudson Having his Way at Class A (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090430&content_id=4506542&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws)

EMachine10
05-01-2009, 12:38 PM
Hudson had a whale of a game (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_04_30_lcoafx_kanafx_1) yesterday.

7.0 IP, 2 Hits, 1 BB, 13 K's.

Hudson Having his Way at Class A (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090430&content_id=4506542&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws)
That entire Kannapolis staff is pitching great thus far.

DirtySox
05-01-2009, 02:09 PM
Hudson on the BA Hot Sheet (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2009/268037.html)

DirtySox
05-01-2009, 10:41 PM
Beckham 2-4 tonight with 2 doubles. 8 of his last 9 hits have been doubles.

Viciedo 1-4 with a HR and 1 K.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_05_01_wtdaax_biraax_1

CashMan
05-02-2009, 12:01 AM
Fields had a lot of errors early on. He played Defense with his face, worse than Daver's ass chews gum.

He appears to have developed a bit - he's still no GGer, but he's better than he was a few years ago.

Concerning? I guess so.

Viciedo I never expected to stay at 3B. I can see him moving to 1B as he gets older and maybe larger. (He's 20 right now - right?) Beckham...I'm not overly concerned. We were told he may not project to be a MLB SS. I think if he were to move to 2B, and had time to work the position, he'd be a decent defensive 2B - certainly league average - over time.

That said, if they don't improve from that point, then yes, that would be an issue.


With Getz hitting close to .350 ATM, I hope he doesn't move to 2nd.

Trav
05-02-2009, 02:06 AM
Beckham 2-4 tonight with 2 doubles. 8 of his last 9 hits have been doubles.

Viciedo 1-4 with a HR and 1 K.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_05_01_wtdaax_biraax_1


Viciedo looked horrible on a couple of those at bats, but he crushed his homer. Also, Beckham had a terrific catch on a blooper in short left.

jabrch
05-03-2009, 02:45 AM
With Getz hitting close to .350 ATM, I hope he doesn't move to 2nd.

Well - he may move to 2B and enable us to trade Getz for a similar calibre CF? Or for a legit front end SP prospect? Who knows?

I want us to leverage whatever talent we have the best we can. I'm sure management is watching it closely - if Beckham can play SS, then Alexei moves. If he can't, and he has to play 3B or 2B, that means maybe Fields moves to 1B? Or Getz gets traded?

It's a good problem to have - but you are right - 2B is not a major area of need at this point in time.

TomBradley72
05-03-2009, 01:05 PM
Well - he may move to 2B and enable us to trade Getz for a similar calibre CF? Or for a legit front end SP prospect? Who knows?

I want us to leverage whatever talent we have the best we can. I'm sure management is watching it closely - if Beckham can play SS, then Alexei moves. If he can't, and he has to play 3B or 2B, that means maybe Fields moves to 1B? Or Getz gets traded?

It's a good problem to have - but you are right - 2B is not a major area of need at this point in time.

My impression is that most scouting reports seem to project Beckham as more likely to be a 2nd baseman than a SS or 3rd baseman. At some point Getz will be moved (hopefully with very high trade value) to make room for Beckham...based on how Alexei looks at SS and with his long term/cheap contract, I doubt he gets moved.

Moving Getz could help us shore up our desperately thing outfield or pitching depth. Between age and a history of injury....if Dye, Contreras, Colon, Dotel or Linebrink go down...we don't really have the organizational depth to replace them. Most of our high end prospects are DH/1B types like Allen, Flowers and Viciedo.

jabrch
05-03-2009, 04:24 PM
Arrange that lineup:

CF Danks
SS Beckham
1B Allen
RF Quentin
3B Fields
C Flowers
LF Viciedo
DH ??
2B Ramirez

I'm really wondering who will end up being let go of come next year or two years from now among Ramirez, Beckham and Getz.

But from the looks of this lineup, the only two players who are "station to station" would be Quentin, Viciedo and Flowers, if that. Allen is very mobile.

Very exciting, isn't it?

If you are going to do that, why not put Getz in at 2B, slide either Aramis or Beckham to 3B, allow Fields to DH? Or maybe Allen DH?

Konerko05
05-03-2009, 06:50 PM
If you are going to do that, why not put Getz in at 2B, slide either Aramis or Beckham to 3B, allow Fields to DH? Or maybe Allen DH?

That's a tough one to let slide.

DirtySox
05-03-2009, 06:59 PM
Maybe we should have stickied threads for each different minor league affiliate instead of posting everything in this thread. Just a thought.

Anyhow, Dan Hudson was promoted to Winston Salem today.

guillen4life13
05-03-2009, 06:59 PM
If you are going to do that, why not put Getz in at 2B, slide either Aramis or Beckham to 3B, allow Fields to DH? Or maybe Allen DH?

:o:

I expect Viciedo to be the eventual DH. Allen is supposed to be a very good developing 1B from what I read.

CashMan
05-03-2009, 07:37 PM
:o:

I expect Viciedo to be the eventual DH. Allen is supposed to be a very good developing 1B from what I read.



Already designating a 20yr old as a DH?

guillen4life13
05-03-2009, 08:43 PM
Already designating a 20yr old as a DH?

He's not known for his defense anywhere, and his mobility is only going to suffer as he grows older and bigger. He will either end up at 1B, where Allen should end up, LF, or DH if I had to predict it at this point. If he pans out in the first place.

khan
05-04-2009, 10:40 AM
If you are going to do that, why not put Getz in at 2B, slide either Aramis or Beckham to 3B, allow Fields to DH? Or maybe Allen DH?
Wow. I've been banned for lesser offenses than this.

But, in any case, I'd prefer a better solution at DH than Fields.

Rdy2PlayBall
05-04-2009, 10:49 AM
My impression is that most scouting reports seem to project Beckham as more likely to be a 2nd baseman than a SS or 3rd baseman. At some point Getz will be moved (hopefully with very high trade value) to make room for Beckham...based on how Alexei looks at SS and with his long term/cheap contract, I doubt he gets moved.
I hope if Getz is worth high trade value and does very well KW would be smart enough to keep him. If he bats .300 and does as well as he has so far, why would you want unproven Beckham to replace him? Getz is still young so there isn't really an excuse.

Though if Getz doesn't do amazing I'm all for that.

Konerko05
05-04-2009, 03:36 PM
My impression is that most scouting reports seem to project Beckham as more likely to be a 2nd baseman than a SS or 3rd baseman. At some point Getz will be moved (hopefully with very high trade value) to make room for Beckham...based on how Alexei looks at SS and with his long term/cheap contract, I doubt he gets moved.

Moving Getz could help us shore up our desperately thing outfield or pitching depth. Between age and a history of injury....if Dye, Contreras, Colon, Dotel or Linebrink go down...we don't really have the organizational depth to replace them. Most of our high end prospects are DH/1B types like Allen, Flowers and Viciedo.

I'd like the Sox to find a way to keep Beckham and Getz in the starting lineup.

I'd rather trade Fields and try Beckham at 3B. Getz is a much bigger asset to the White Sox than Fields.

DonnieDarko
05-04-2009, 03:38 PM
Beckham doesn't have the arm to play Major League SS. What makes you think that he's got the arm to play 3B?

TomBradley72
05-04-2009, 03:41 PM
I hope if Getz is worth high trade value and does very well KW would be smart enough to keep him. If he bats .300 and does as well as he has so far, why would you want unproven Beckham to replace him? Getz is still young so there isn't really an excuse.

Though if Getz doesn't do amazing I'm all for that.

I'm a big Getz fan as well...the guy has done nothing but produce since he was called up last summer, but I'm not sure if the WSox can afford the luxury of so many 2nd baseman. Between Getz, Beckham, Ramirez, and Fields...someone needs to be traded eventually and help us in the outfield and the pitching staff.

DirtySox
05-04-2009, 03:49 PM
I like that we've already decided that Beckham isn't a Shortstop.

Konerko05
05-04-2009, 03:51 PM
Beckham doesn't have the arm to play Major League SS. What makes you think that he's got the arm to play 3B?

I haven't heard Beckham doesn't have the arm to play SS. I've heard complaints about his range, but not his arm.

Also, SS requires a stronger arm than 3B.

jabrch
05-04-2009, 04:15 PM
Beckham doesn't have the arm to play Major League SS. What makes you think that he's got the arm to play 3B?


3B almost always is going towards the base when he throws. Doesn't need as strong an arm as SS. SS moves to his right and throws - needs more arm strength.

jabrch
05-04-2009, 04:17 PM
That's a tough one to let slide.


Oops...

Sockinchisox
05-04-2009, 09:08 PM
Poreda has been credited with a no hitter, their game ended in 5 IP because of rain.

He struck out 8 but walked 5.

CashMan
05-04-2009, 09:22 PM
Poreda has been credited with a no hitter, their game ended in 5 IP because of rain.

He struck out 8 but walked 5.

Did Crash Davis happen to catch this game?

UofCSoxFan
05-06-2009, 02:16 PM
3B almost always is going towards the base when he throws. Doesn't need as strong an arm as SS. SS moves to his right and throws - needs more arm strength.

SS needs to strong arm for the balls in the hole to the right but i'd say 90% of the time the SS is moving in on the ball and has momentun towards first as he throws. 3B is all about one step quickness and outside of total jam shots and slow rollers very rarely has a ton of momentun going towards first. The throw typicallly is shorter from SS too do to the fact you are able to charge the ball more.

I think to be an elite defensive SS you need a strong arm, a stronger arm than 3B...to be average you don't (see Daivid Eckstein).

sox1970
05-08-2009, 10:31 PM
Beckham is going to be out for a couple games with a lower abdominal strain on his left side.

DirtySox
05-08-2009, 10:36 PM
Have a link perhaps?

sox1970
05-08-2009, 10:41 PM
Have a link perhaps?

I just heard the Birmingham radio guy talking about it. Beckham left in the middle of last night's game.

DirtySox
05-08-2009, 10:42 PM
Ah. I just thought he was getting some rest because it was a blowout. Fair enough.

sox1970
05-12-2009, 12:19 PM
Beckham was placed on the 7-day DL, and Jordan Danks was moved up to Birmingham.

DirtySox
05-12-2009, 12:32 PM
Did they mention that in the Winston-Salem audio feed during this afternoon's game? I wonder what they will do with Shelby.

sox1970
05-12-2009, 12:33 PM
Did they mention that in the Winston-Salem audio feed during this afternoon's game?

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_trn&lid=111&sid=t247

DirtySox
05-12-2009, 02:16 PM
Thanks.

Birmingham keeps getting more and more stacked. It should be interesting to see how he performs in AA. In High A he was mashing, but still struck out too much. Hopefully this increased level of competition helps him address his weaknesses.

oeo
05-12-2009, 04:04 PM
Beckham was placed on the 7-day DL, and Jordan Danks was moved up to Birmingham.

Ugh, that seems like a mega rush move. He's still striking out way too much. I really hope they don't **** him up.

Britt Burns
05-12-2009, 04:58 PM
Ugh, that seems like a mega rush move. He's still striking out way too much. I really hope they don't **** him up.

Whoa, I don't like that move. Danks was making some progress cutting down on the K's. If he can keep those under control he could be very special, but he also seems lke the kind of guy that may need to take things step-by-step until he reaches the majors. He was playing in college this time last year now he's in AA (and I know that apples to Beckham too, but he is definitely more advanced as a hitter).

...
05-12-2009, 07:19 PM
Ugh, that seems like a mega rush move. He's still striking out way too much. I really hope they don't **** him up.

Whoa, I don't like that move. Danks was making some progress cutting down on the K's. If he can keep those under control he could be very special, but he also seems lke the kind of guy that may need to take things step-by-step until he reaches the majors. He was playing in college this time last year now he's in AA (and I know that apples to Beckham too, but he is definitely more advanced as a hitter).

You two know better than those who actually WORK for the organization?

It absolutely baffles me that people think they know how to develop baseball players batter than those paid to do so within the organization. The decision was likely made by a culmination of those who work closely with these players. I think it is safe to trust their judgment.

OH GOD DON'T **** EM ALL UP!!! GOD NO!

DirtySox
05-12-2009, 07:37 PM
I like the move. Challenge him. Just because he was bumped up to AA doesn't mean he's being fast tracked to the majors. Although he did K too much, he also was mashing otherwise. Let him work on his weaknesses while facing some more advanced competition.

Also Danks is in CF tonight with Shelby in LF.

Craig Grebeck
05-12-2009, 07:57 PM
You two know better than those who actually WORK for the organization?

It absolutely baffles me that people think they know how to develop baseball players batter than those paid to do so within the organization. The decision was likely made by a culmination of those who work closely with these players. I think it is safe to trust their judgment.

OH GOD DON'T **** EM ALL UP!!! GOD NO!
Yes, this organization has never suffered from promoting players too early. Heaven forbid someone be concerned about an organization that never saw the glaring holes in many of their prospects, and simply promoted them at will year to year.

oeo
05-12-2009, 08:24 PM
You two know better than those who actually WORK for the organization?

It absolutely baffles me that people think they know how to develop baseball players batter than those paid to do so within the organization. The decision was likely made by a culmination of those who work closely with these players. I think it is safe to trust their judgment.

OH GOD DON'T **** EM ALL UP!!! GOD NO!

You can attribute a lot of the failures from the system to rushing guys. I don't claim to know more than the Sox, but history doesn't lie. What's the point of promoting him so early? It's the beginning of May, and he didn't sign until the deadline last year.

Look, the Sox have a history of ****ing up talented players. Danks has a bright future, there's no reason to rush him. And AA this early seems like quite a rushing.

I like the move. Challenge him.

How was he currently NOT being challenged? :?:

He's still striking out. Haven't you been keeping your Danks K-meter? Why can't he continue to get a feel for the strike zone at a lower level instead of trying to get it against even better competition?

...
05-12-2009, 08:27 PM
Yes, this organization has never suffered from promoting players too early. Heaven forbid someone be concerned about an organization that never saw the glaring holes in many of their prospects, and simply promoted them at will year to year.

Have you been living under a rock? The Sox entire minor league system has been revamped via excellent personnel moves. Comparing now to then is not only ignorant, it's stupid. Then again, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Craig Grebeck
05-12-2009, 08:34 PM
Have you been living under a rock? The Sox entire minor league system has been revamped via excellent personnel moves. Comparing now to then is not only ignorant, it's stupid. Then again, I'd expect nothing less from you.
A minor league system isn't worth **** until it produces legitimate major league ballplayers either by way of trade or by simple promotion. At this point, our system is certainly better than it was this time last season, but there is still a serious dearth of quality pitching. Sure, shrewd moves have been made to improve the system, but that doesn't mean the Sox can continue to make the same mistakes they've always made.

And for the record, I'm pleased with Danks' promotion. As a mature college player, he needs the challenge, and warrants it. I only hope they leave him in Birmingham for at least the rest of this season.

...
05-12-2009, 08:40 PM
A minor league system isn't worth **** until it produces legitimate major league ballplayers either by way of trade or by simple promotion. At this point, our system is certainly better than it was this time last season, but there is still a serious dearth of quality pitching. Sure, shrewd moves have been made to improve the system, but that doesn't mean the Sox can continue to make the same mistakes they've always made.

And for the record, I'm pleased with Danks' promotion. As a mature college player, he needs the challenge, and warrants it. I only hope they leave him in Birmingham for at least the rest of this season.

As do I.

CashMan
05-12-2009, 08:42 PM
You can attribute a lot of the failures from the system to rushing guys. I don't claim to know more than the Sox, but history doesn't lie. What's the point of promoting him so early? It's the beginning of May, and he didn't sign until the deadline last year.

Look, the Sox have a history of ****ing up talented players. Danks has a bright future, there's no reason to rush him. And AA this early seems like quite a rushing.



How was he currently NOT being challenged? :?:

He's still striking out. Haven't you been keeping your Danks K-meter? Why can't he continue to get a feel for the strike zone at a lower level instead of trying to get it against even better competition?


Jordan Danks is going to be 23 this year, Vicedo(sp?) is 20. I don't hear you saying anything about rushing him. And Beckham is also going to be 23 and is in AA.

DirtySox
05-12-2009, 08:45 PM
As do I.

Thirded.

oeo
05-12-2009, 08:45 PM
Jordan Danks is going to be 23 this year, Vicedo(sp?) is 20. I don't hear you saying anything about rushing him. And Beckham is also going to be 23 and is in AA.

Who mentioned age? I didn't.

CashMan
05-12-2009, 08:48 PM
Who mentioned age? I didn't.


If he is jumping from college, just like Beckham, I don't mind him in AA. If he was coming from high school, I can see your point about the rush.

oeo
05-12-2009, 08:52 PM
If he is jumping from college, just like Beckham, I don't mind him in AA. If he was coming from high school, I can see your point about the rush.

So every player should be treated the same?

Danks is a leadoff type hitter (at this point) with a very large K-rate. That needs to come down. I don't see how facing better competition helps that to go down.

CashMan
05-12-2009, 08:53 PM
So every player should be treated the same?

Danks is a leadoff type hitter (at this point) with a very large K-rate. That needs to come down. I don't see how facing better competition helps that to go down.

Better lineup, more protection?

CashMan
05-12-2009, 08:55 PM
I just looked up his stats, he is hitting .322 with 32 K's and 18 walks. Should he be held back because of K's?

oeo
05-12-2009, 09:01 PM
Better lineup, more protection?

I'd rather he have less protection and learn to hit more than just one pitch. He's developing, it's not like he's up with the big league club, this is Jordan Danks, and he's not going to get any better. He still has room to grow..."protection" should be irrelevant.

I just looked up his stats, he is hitting .322 with 32 K's and 18 walks. Should he be held back because of K's?

As a leadoff hitter, yes. When do you stop ignoring the K's? If it's okay to ignore them now, why won't it be hard to ignore them next year? And the following year? Soon you have a strikeout machine at the major league level. He wouldn't be "held back", anyway. He signed late last year and it's only May 12th.

Whatever, we'll see how it goes. I just think he has a bright future, and promoting him so early isn't necessary. I don't know if it's the "wrong" move, I'm not going to claim to know that. However, we have a history of making the same wrong move over and over again.

sox1970
05-12-2009, 10:43 PM
Danks 2-4, double

Viciedo 4-4, 2 doubles (.241)

DirtySox
05-12-2009, 10:45 PM
Danks also struck out once, and still has an AB to go.

sox1970
05-12-2009, 11:08 PM
Danks 2-5

Viciedo 4-5

russ99
05-12-2009, 11:19 PM
A minor league system isn't worth **** until it produces legitimate major league ballplayers either by way of trade or by simple promotion. At this point, our system is certainly better than it was this time last season, but there is still a serious dearth of quality pitching. Sure, shrewd moves have been made to improve the system, but that doesn't mean the Sox can continue to make the same mistakes they've always made.

And for the record, I'm pleased with Danks' promotion. As a mature college player, he needs the challenge, and warrants it. I only hope they leave him in Birmingham for at least the rest of this season.

You have a valid point. The same Sox scouts that failed miserably in the first 5-6 years of Kenny's tenure as GM are primarily the same ones evaluating talent now.

I'm very happy with the overall talent increase the system has had the last few years, but as you said, who's to say how many are really going to be solid Major Leaguers... Let's hope it's a lot.

California Sox
05-13-2009, 12:04 AM
As a leadoff hitter, yes. When do you stop ignoring the K's? If it's okay to ignore them now, why won't it be hard to ignore them next year? And the following year? Soon you have a strikeout machine at the major league level.

I am concerned a bit about Jordan's K rate as well, but he has been striking out a lot less recently. Besides, leadoff hitters can strike out as long as they also walk. Look at Sox-killer Grady Sizemore. He's K'd at least 130 times in every full season of his career. And he's okay.

Britt Burns
05-13-2009, 12:59 AM
You two know better than those who actually WORK for the organization?

It absolutely baffles me that people think they know how to develop baseball players batter than those paid to do so within the organization. The decision was likely made by a culmination of those who work closely with these players. I think it is safe to trust their judgment.

OH GOD DON'T **** EM ALL UP!!! GOD NO!

I didn't say I knew better. I said I didn't like it.

Let me get this straight. By your logic, any opinion differing from those coming from the organization (putting aside that there are certainly disagreements within the system going on every day) are not worth expressing? Maybe WSI should close down the board except for two threads: one for stats and scores, the other to second every decsion made by White Sox employees. That would be a blast, wouldn't it? At least you wouldn't have to waste your time listening to the concerns and opinions of fans who, although amatuers, have been around long enough to know the farm system hasn't developed a decent hitter since...Aaron Rowand? Carlos Lee? (Two players who not coincidentally played roughly a year in each classification before making it to the majors.)

oeo
05-13-2009, 12:59 AM
I am concerned a bit about Jordan's K rate as well, but he has been striking out a lot less recently. Besides, leadoff hitters can strike out as long as they also walk. Look at Sox-killer Grady Sizemore. He's K'd at least 130 times in every full season of his career. And he's okay.

Well, I don't think Sizemore should be leading off, but that's another discussion for another time. You would preferably like your leadoff hitter to not only get on base, but be a tough out and put the ball in play.

guillen4life13
05-13-2009, 09:36 AM
I didn't say I knew better. I said I didn't like it.

Let me get this straight. By your logic, any opinion differing from those coming from the organization (putting aside that there are certainly disagreements within the system going on every day) are not worth expressing? Maybe WSI should close down the board except for two threads: one for stats and scores, the other to second every decsion made by White Sox employees. That would be a blast, wouldn't it? At least you wouldn't have to waste your time listening to the concerns and opinions of fans who, although amatuers, have been around long enough to know the farm system hasn't developed a decent hitter since...Aaron Rowand? Carlos Lee? (Two players who not coincidentally played roughly a year in each classification before making it to the majors.)

May be premature, but...

:Getz::Fields::crede
Heyyo!

You said decent, not great.

Britt Burns
05-13-2009, 10:12 AM
May be premature, but...

:Getz::Fields::crede
Heyyo!

You said decent, not great.

I thought about each of them and definitely should have included Crede in my statement. But each of these guys just proves the point...Crede spent at least a year in each classification, and Getz skipped High A--but then had to repeat AA. Fields was rushed--A- when he signed, AA in his first full year--and I think you could make the argument that he would have benefited from a full year in A+.

DirtySox
05-13-2009, 02:02 PM
Danks 3 - 4 with a double, no K's.

Viciedo 1 - 3 with an RBI.

cards press box
05-13-2009, 03:40 PM
Sure, shrewd moves have been made to improve the system, but that doesn't mean the Sox can continue to make the same mistakes they've always made.

The Sox fired Duane Schaefer two seasons ago, changed their philosophy of drafting, made some shrewd picks, trades and signings for minor league talent. No basis exists for believing that the Sox will suddenly shift gears and go back to the mistakes of the Schaefer era (i.e., making so-called "safe" draft choices like Broadway and McCullough and depriving yourself of high risk/high reward players with a higher ceiling), particularly when those mistakes got Schaefer fired in the first place.

With their 2-1 win over Carolina today, this Barons squad (with Jordan Danks, Gordon Beckham, Dayan Viciedo, Tyler Flowers, Brandon Allen, Aaron Poreda, John Shelby, Jr., John Ely and C.J. Retherford) is now 22-9. They are an excellent team.

Since 2007, the Sox minor league operations have improved by leaps and bounds. No reason to think that this year's draft (with the extra high draft picks from Orlando Cabrera signing with the A's) will not add to the depth of talent in the minors.

I agree that the Sox need additional pitching depth in the minors. But, as I have said before, the next great Sox team will come when the core of this year's Birmingham team gets to Chicago.

Craig Grebeck
05-13-2009, 03:55 PM
The Sox fired Duane Schaefer two seasons ago, changed their philosophy of drafting, made some shrewd picks, trades and signings for minor league talent. No basis exists for believing that the Sox will suddenly shift gears and go back to the mistakes of the Schaefer era (i.e., making so-called "safe" draft choices like Broadway and McCullough and depriving yourself of high risk/high reward players with a higher ceiling), particularly when those mistakes got Schaefer fired in the first place.

With their 2-1 win over Carolina today, this Barons squad (with Jordan Danks, Gordon Beckham, Dayan Viciedo, Tyler Flowers, Brandon Allen, Aaron Poreda, John Shelby, Jr., John Ely and C.J. Retherford) is now 22-9. They are an excellent team.

Since 2007, the Sox minor league operations have improved by leaps and bounds. No reason to think that this year's draft (with the extra high draft picks from Orlando Cabrera signing with the A's) will not add to the depth of talent in the minors.

I agree that the Sox need additional pitching depth in the minors. But, as I have said before, the next great Sox team will come when the core of this year's Birmingham team gets to Chicago.
I think this is a good post, but I thought the original poster exaggerated the level of improvement. Are we better? Yes. Top half of MLB? Not yet.

khan
05-13-2009, 04:01 PM
To me, it isn't about which types of guys the team picks ALONE that determines the efficacy of the system. [i.e. picking "safe" picks vs. the "high ceiling" guys.]

Its also about properly tutoring the youngsters in the game. Its about NOT promoting a player, just because "he's rakin'," while overlooking gaping holes in his game. Its about NOT rushing a kid through the system until he's learned everything he needs to learn to move up. Its about EARNING promotions, and the youngster improving his skills, not just some kids being pushed up out of desperation.

But to the point of Jordan Danks, I certainly hope he can cut down the Ks, and become a proper outfielder. In this system, who else besides him ranks as even a marginal MLB prospect in the OF?

CashMan
05-13-2009, 04:05 PM
I think this is a good post, but I thought the original poster exaggerated the level of improvement. Are we better? Yes. Top half of MLB? Not yet.


I do not think you can go from the bottom half to the top half in 2 drafts. I would say give Buddy Bell, atleast 4-5 drafts to see a big improvement.

Craig Grebeck
05-13-2009, 04:07 PM
I do not think you can go from the bottom half to the top half in 2 drafts. I would say give Buddy Bell, atleast 4-5 drafts to see a big improvement.

I agree.

Craig Grebeck
05-13-2009, 04:08 PM
But to the point of Jordan Danks, I certainly hope he can cut down the Ks, and become a proper outfielder. In this system, who else besides him ranks as even a marginal MLB prospect in the OF?
He's already a proper outfielder, and may be the best defensive CF in the organization.

Shelby is marginal.

khan
05-13-2009, 04:15 PM
He's already a proper outfielder, and may be the best defensive CF in the organization.

Huh. Imagine that: A CF that isn't a complete zero offensively. [Though this talk about him being a K-machine is troubling.] A CF that can actually play SOME defense. I didn't think they made those any more.

CashMan
05-13-2009, 04:41 PM
Huh. Imagine that: A CF that isn't a complete zero offensively. [Though this talk about him being a K-machine is troubling.] A CF that can actually play SOME defense. I didn't think they made those any more.


If the guy is taking walks then it is ok that he K's as long as it isn't a Dunn K:BB ratio.

DSpivack
05-13-2009, 05:01 PM
if the guy is taking walks then it is ok that he k's as long as it isn't a dunn k:bb ratio.

1.3:1?

CashMan
05-13-2009, 05:03 PM
1.3:1?

Adam Dunn, like a 2:1 K:BB ratio.

DSpivack
05-13-2009, 05:04 PM
Adam Dunn, like a 2:1 K:BB ratio.

Dunn's career ratio is about 1.3:1.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dunnad01.shtml

EDIT: 1.56, exactly.

Craig Grebeck
05-13-2009, 05:07 PM
Adam Dunn, like a 2:1 K:BB ratio.
Adam Dunn is about the worst guy you could cite to prove your point.

CashMan
05-13-2009, 06:03 PM
Dunn's career ratio is about 1.3:1.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dunnad01.shtml

EDIT: 1.56, exactly.

It was a rough estimate and a joke. No need to take it sooooo seriously.

chunk
05-13-2009, 06:10 PM
If we could get Dunn level production from the CF spot with the defense Danks provides, that would be amazing.

DonnieDarko
05-13-2009, 09:37 PM
Danks in a corner outfield, Anderson in CF? Or the reverse? Either could work. BA in RF, Danks in CF if he can prove himself competent there.

DirtySox
05-13-2009, 09:51 PM
BA has to prove he is more than a 4th outfielder before being considered for a corner outfield spot.