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Moses_Scurry
04-09-2009, 08:51 AM
April 9, 2009 - Day 5 of the 2009 baseball season

In order to celebrate one of the more extraordinary team efforts in the history of baseball, I am starting the Wire-to-Wire update. The following teams still have the possibility of going wire-to-wire to emulate the great 2005 Sox:

Baltimore
Texas
Pittsburgh
Cubs
LA Dodgers

If anyone wants to track the possible teams that could break the 2005 Sox "having the lead at some point in the game" streak, have at it. I'm too busy for that one.


Disclaimer: I am going by the day, not the time. If the Diamondbacks won a day game to go up on the Dodgers by 0.5 games, but then the Dodgers won the night game that same day to pull even, it doesn't count as the Dodgers being out of first at any point.

TommyJohn
04-09-2009, 09:16 AM
I would say the Cubs and Dodgers are the ones with the best shot of pulling it off. It obviously is now much easier to go wire-to-wire during the regular season with the three divisions. It was done only three times during one league baseball, twice with two division baseball, and six times since the three divsion format was introduced in 1995. Of course, five of those six teams lost in the postseason, only one of them managed to complete the run right down to the final out of the World Series. :D:

Stormin' Norm
04-09-2009, 05:29 PM
I would say the Cubs and Dodgers are the ones with the best shot of pulling it off. It obviously is now much easier to go wire-to-wire during the regular season with the three divisions. It was done only three times during one league baseball, twice with two division baseball, and six times since the three divsion format was introduced in 1995. Of course, five of those six teams lost in the postseason, only one of them managed to complete the run right down to the final out of the World Series. :D:


Would it be too much to ask what all those teams were? I am curious. Are the Sox and Yanks the only post season teams to go 11-1 under the new format?

doublem23
04-09-2009, 05:30 PM
Would it be too much to ask what all those teams were? I am curious. Are the Sox and Yanks the only post season teams to go 11-1 under the new format?

Yes.

Moses_Scurry
04-10-2009, 09:44 AM
April 10 - Day 6 of the 2009 season

The Dodgers, Pirates, and Orioles have been eliminated from Wire-to-Wire contention. Only two teams remaining with the possiblity of equaling the 2005 Sox:

Cubs
Rangers

TommyJohn
04-10-2009, 10:45 AM
Would it be too much to ask what all those teams were? I am curious. Are the Sox and Yanks the only post season teams to go 11-1 under the new format?

Yes the Sox and Yankees went 11-1, the only ones to do so. The 1976 Reds are still the only team since league playoffs began in 1969 to sweep the postseason, beating the Phillies 3-0 and the Yankees 4-0.

Here's a list of wire-to-wire teams that is complete, to my knowledge. If anyone knows of a team that did it in 07 or 08, please feel free to add them:

1923 New York Giants
lost World Series to Yankees, 2-4

1927 New York Yankees
beat Pirates in World Series, 4-0

1955 Brooklyn Dodgers
won World Series over Yankees 4-3

1984 Detroit Tigers
beat Royals 3-0, Padres 4-1

1990 Cincinnati Reds
beat Pirates 4-2, A's 4-0

1997 Baltimore Orioles
beat Mariners 3-1, lost to Indians 2-4

1998 Cleveland Indians
beat Red Sox 3-1, lost to Yankees 2-4

2001 Seattle Mariners
beat Indians 3-2, lost to Yankees 1-4

2003 San Francisco Giants
lost to Marlins, 1-3

2005 White Sox
beat Red Sox 3-0, Angels 4-1, Astros 4-0

So of these teams, the five who managed to stay in first place right down to the final out of the World Series were:

1927 Yankees
1955 Dodgers
1984 Tigers
1990 Reds
2005 White Sox

TommyJohn
04-10-2009, 10:50 AM
The 1998 Indians were the most unusual of this bunch-their record was 89-73! It is a testament to just how much the rest of the AL Central truly stunk that year-the White Sox placed second at 80-82.

Funny thing also-in the 1998 ALCS, the wire-to-wire Indians faced the New York Yankees, who had gone 114-48. Amazingly, despite this record, the Yanks did not spend every day in first place-they started the season at 1-4. At one point the Indians led the series 2 games to 1 before the Yankees got it going and won the next three before sweeping the World Series.

DumpJerry
04-10-2009, 11:17 AM
The 2005 White Sox and 1927 Yankees went wire-to-wire being in first place in the entire American League, not just division (2005 WS). I don't see the Cubs holding the best record in the National League for the entire run of the season.

The '05 Sox and '27 Yanks are still the only teams to go wire-to-wire in their respective league and sweep the World Series. Nobody in NL has ever done that.

Moses_Scurry
04-10-2009, 11:21 AM
The 2005 White Sox and 1927 Yankees went wire-to-wire being in first place in the entire American League, not just division (2005 WS). I don't see the Cubs holding the best record in the National League for the entire run of the season.

The '05 Sox and '27 Yanks are still the only teams to go wire-to-wire in their respective league and sweep the World Series. Nobody in NL has ever done that.

Well the Cubs are already out of the running for that since Florida is 3-0.

doublem23
04-10-2009, 11:32 AM
The 2005 White Sox and 1927 Yankees went wire-to-wire being in first place in the entire American League, not just division (2005 WS). I don't see the Cubs holding the best record in the National League for the entire run of the season.

The '05 Sox and '27 Yanks are still the only teams to go wire-to-wire in their respective league and sweep the World Series. Nobody in NL has ever done that.

On April 12, 2005, the Blue Jays had a better record than the Sox.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2005-04-12

TommyJohn
04-11-2009, 12:10 PM
Any updates, MS? I checked the NL Central standings, the Cubs are second, .5 behind St. Louis. LA is 2-3 and has fallen out of first place. So that does it for this year, I think.

EDIT: I didn't see your earlier post eliminating the Dodgers. Ooops. So the Texas Rangers at 3-1 are still in the running. The Cubs have been eliminated.

SoxGirl4Life
04-11-2009, 12:41 PM
Any updates, MS? I checked the NL Central standings, the Cubs are second, .5 behind St. Louis. LA is 2-3 and has fallen out of first place. So that does it for this year, I think.

EDIT: I didn't see your earlier post eliminating the Dodgers. Ooops. So the Texas Rangers at 3-1 are still in the running. The Cubs have been eliminated.

I think the Marlins are still undefeated.

CHISOXFAN13
04-11-2009, 01:55 PM
I think the Marlins are still undefeated.

I guess by the logic in this thread, the Marlins weren't in first place until the Braves lost since the Braves played the first game of the season a day before everyone else. Who knows?

TommyJohn
04-11-2009, 04:29 PM
I guess by the logic in this thread, the Marlins weren't in first place until the Braves lost since the Braves played the first game of the season a day before everyone else. Who knows?

That is actually an interesting point, because a similar thing happened in 1955. The Cubs began the season April 11 by beating the Reds, then won again the next day to go to 2-0. The Dodgers started their season the next day, April 12, by which time the Cubs had already played twice. Here is how the standings looked:

April 10:

Cubs 1-0
Dodgers 0-0

April 11:
Cubs 2-0
Dodgers 0-0

April 12:
Cubs 2-0
Dodgers 1-0

April 13:
Cubs 2-0
Dodgers 1-0

April 14:
Cubs 3-0
Dodgers 2-0

April 15:
Cubs 3-0
Dodgers 3-0

It wasn't until five days into the season that the Dodgers were able to catch the Cubs and claim at least a share of 1st place, yet they are recognized as a "wire-to-wire" team. Technically, they shouldn't be.

DumpJerry
04-12-2009, 12:53 AM
On April 12, 2005, the Blue Jays had a better record than the Sox.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2005-04-12
:redface: Someone forgot to tell Phil Rogers when he wrote his book about the 2005 Sox, also in the MLB DVD about the 2005 Sox, they cited the fact that the So were wire-to-wire in the AL. I'm sure Bud is behind these mistakes.....

TommyJohn
04-12-2009, 11:47 AM
:redface: Someone forgot to tell Phil Rogers when he wrote his book about the 2005 Sox, also in the MLB DVD about the 2005 Sox, they cited the fact that the So were wire-to-wire in the AL. I'm sure Bud is behind these mistakes.....

Do they count days when one team plays and the other does not? Seriously. The Sox were half-game behind Toronto on 4/12 because they didn't play. The next day they won to tie the Jays for best record. So they maintained the best record in the AL on days that they played. Make sense?

There is a similar situation with the 1955 Dodgers, who are recognized as a wire-to-wire team. See my above post.

Also, I had to correct an earlier post of mine on this thread. The 2006 Mets were not in first place every day of the season. On April 5, they were 1-1, the Braves were 2-1 and in 1st. Again, I do not understand then how the 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers count as a wtw team.

Moses_Scurry
04-12-2009, 09:26 PM
Sorry I missed yesterday. Couldn't get to a computer.

As I checked the standings this fine Easter morning, the Cubs were behind St. Louis and Texas was behind Seattle.

Therefore, only 6-7 games into the 2009 season, ZERO teams can go wire-to-wire!

All hail the 2005 White Sox!!!!!! Wire-to-wire division champs and 11-1 in the postseason with a WS sweep!!!!!!

Frater Perdurabo
04-12-2009, 10:03 PM
Does that make this thread moot? :D:

Moses_Scurry
04-13-2009, 09:44 AM
This thread is officially moot. It's also mute.

TommyJohn
04-13-2009, 10:10 AM
This thread is officially moot. It's also mute.I don't get it?

esbrechtel
04-13-2009, 10:16 AM
This thread jinxed all those teams....