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ChiSox89
03-02-2009, 01:33 PM
just saw on yahoo.com that orlando cabrera signed with the A's.

DumpJerry
03-02-2009, 01:39 PM
Linky (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ao76nswstUxRXPLFDheaXcgRvLYF?slug=ti-cabrerasigns030209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

4M. What was the Arb amount he turned down? I forgot.

bradchifan3
03-02-2009, 01:39 PM
So what's that mean in terms of draft picks?

DumpJerry
03-02-2009, 01:42 PM
So what's that mean in terms of draft picks?
We get the A's second round pick.

Marqhead
03-02-2009, 01:42 PM
So what's that mean in terms of draft picks?

2nd rounder in this years draft, and a supplemental.

Sargeant79
03-02-2009, 01:42 PM
So what's that mean in terms of draft picks?

We get the A's second round pick as well as a supplemental pick in between the 1st and 2nd rounds.

bradchifan3
03-02-2009, 01:46 PM
We get the A's second round pick as well as a supplemental pick in between the 1st and 2nd rounds.

For OC?

LOL, what a steal.

DirtySox
03-02-2009, 01:47 PM
HOORAY DRAFT PICKS!

Sorry, I love prospects.

This summers draft should be interesting. I suspect we will be drafting a lot of pitching. Our depth in that area is really hurting.

NLaloosh
03-02-2009, 01:49 PM
This is great for the Sox!

NLaloosh
03-02-2009, 01:53 PM
As I see it, the Sox will pick something like 23rd, 46th and 69th. Can they find a star?

DirtySox
03-02-2009, 01:56 PM
I think we get #'s 38 and 61 from the OC signing.

DumpJerry
03-02-2009, 02:01 PM
As I see it, the Sox will pick something like 23rd, 46th and 69th. Can they find a star?
Why not? Buehrle was taken in the 38th round.

jdm2662
03-02-2009, 02:01 PM
Linky (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ao76nswstUxRXPLFDheaXcgRvLYF?slug=ti-cabrerasigns030209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

4M. What was the Arb amount he turned down? I forgot.

I think he made $8 million last year, so at least 80% of that...

doublem23
03-02-2009, 02:08 PM
I think he made $8 million last year, so at least 80% of that...

Article says he made $10 million last year, so at least he would have doubled his salary if he'd accepted arbitration.

jabrch
03-02-2009, 02:20 PM
Anyone know how the first few rounds of this draft look?

DumpJerry
03-02-2009, 03:09 PM
Article says he made $10 million last year, so at least he would have doubled his salary if he'd accepted arbitration.
Sukah!

TDog
03-02-2009, 03:12 PM
A's fans I've heard from (and I live in A's country) were excited about dumping Thomas for Giambi and their great young pitching. They will probably be excited about signing a former Golden Glove shortstop as well.

jabrch
03-02-2009, 03:15 PM
A's fans I've heard from (and I live in A's country) were excited about dumping Thomas for Giambi and their great young pitching. They will probably be excited about signing a former Golden Glove shortstop as well.


They should be - he's a huge improvement over Crosby.

bigdommer
03-02-2009, 04:00 PM
It's nice to see the workings of the union turn against the players. They created the arbitration model to protect the players, and the players (agents) are too greedy to even accept the arbitration because they want the multiyear deals.

This turned out great for the Sox: two top 60 picks for a guy who is worse than the guy replacing him.

TDog
03-02-2009, 04:04 PM
They should be - he's a huge improvement over Crosby.

He may be, but that's not what A's fan were saying on the radio Saturday. Now that Cabrera is a member of the A's, such opinions may change.

DirtySox
03-02-2009, 04:30 PM
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1536

We get the 38th and 63rd pick.

Daver
03-02-2009, 04:41 PM
It's nice to see the workings of the union turn against the players. They created the arbitration model to protect the players, and the players (agents) are too greedy to even accept the arbitration because they want the multiyear deals.

This turned out great for the Sox: two top 60 picks for a guy who is worse than the guy replacing him.


The owners insisted on the arbitration system, the MPBPA fought against it, they wanted unlimited free agency. I realize the truth hurts your assertion a bit, but if you going to make statements they should be based on facts.

CashMan
03-02-2009, 04:48 PM
It's nice to see the workings of the union turn against the players. They created the arbitration model to protect the players, and the players (agents) are too greedy to even accept the arbitration because they want the multiyear deals.

This turned out great for the Sox: two top 60 picks for a guy who is worse than the guy replacing him.



Garland turned his down as well, I LOL IRL.

cws05champ
03-02-2009, 05:00 PM
Anyone know how the first few rounds of this draft look?
Here you go...

BASIC DRAFT ORDER
1. Nationals 11. Royals 21. Twins
2. Mariners 12. Athletics 22. White Sox
3. Padres 13. Rangers 23. Mets
4. Pirates 14. Indians 24. Yankees
5. Orioles 15. Diamondbacks 25. Brewers
6. Giants 16. Dodgers 26. Phillies
7. Braves 17. Marlins 27. Red Sox
8. Reds 18. Cardinals 28. Rays
9. Tigers 19. Blue Jays 29. Cubs
10. Rockies 20. Astros 30. Angels
FIRST-ROUND CHANGES
9a. Nationals (for failure to sign 2008 first-rounder Aaron Crow)
20a. Mariners (if they fail to sign 2008 first-rounder Joshua Fields)
25. Angels (from Mets for Francisco Rodriguez, Type A)
26. Angels (from Yankees for Mark Teixeira, Type A)
28. Mariners (from Phillies for Raul Ibanez, Type A)
28a. Yankees (for failure to sign 2008 first-rounder Gerrit Cole)
33. Rockies (from Angels for Brian Fuentes, Type A)
SUPPLEMENTAL FIRST-ROUND PICKS
34. Mariners (for Ibanez)
35. Rockies (for Fuentes)
36. Dodgers (for Derek Lowe, Type A, to Braves)
37. Blue Jays (for A.J. Burnett, Type A, to Yankees)
38. White Sox (for Orlando Cabrera, Type A to Athletics)
39. Brewers (for C.C. Sabathia, Type A, to Yankees)
40. Angels (for Teixeira)
41. Angels (for Rodriguez)
42. Reds (for Jeremy Affeldt, Type B, to Giants)
43. Rangers (for Milton Bradley, Type B, to Cubs)
44. Diamondbacks (for Brandon Lyon, Type B, to Tigers)
45. Brewers (for Brian Shouse, Type B, to Rays)
46. Angels (for Jon Garland, Type B, to Diamondbacks)
SECOND-ROUND CHANGES
48a. Pirates (for failure to sign 2008 second-rounder Tanner Scheppers)
53. Dodgers (from Braves for Lowe)
63. White Sox (from A's for Orlando Cabrera)
70. Brewers (from Yankees for Sabathia)
THIRD-ROUND CHANGES
75a. Yankees (for failure to sign 2008 second-rounder Scott Bittle)
101. Blue Jays (from Yankees for Burnett)
SUPPLEMENTAL THIRD-ROUND PICKS
108. Astros (for failure to sign 2008 third-rounder Chase Davidson)

DirtySox
03-02-2009, 05:05 PM
That list is outdated:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2009/267697.html

I believe this is the most current without the changes from the Juan Cruz and OC signings.

tm1119
03-02-2009, 07:52 PM
Am I the only one who actually like Cabrera? He had a great glove up the middle, and although he had a down year last year(which wasnt even really bad) hes still a very good hitter. Too bad the relationship between him and the team/management went bad. Would have loved to see him come back.

WhiteSoxJunkie
03-02-2009, 10:35 PM
I read that Nomar was choosing between the A's and retirement. It'll be interesting to see what he does now.

A. Cavatica
03-02-2009, 10:56 PM
Am I the only one who actually like Cabrera? He had a great glove up the middle, and although he had a down year last year(which wasnt even really bad) hes still a very good hitter. Too bad the relationship between him and the team/management went bad. Would have loved to see him come back.

I like him. At the price the A's are paying, he's a steal. We may regret not having him this year, but I'm certainly willing to take the draft picks and roll the dice on Getz/Nix/Lillibridge/Fields/Viciedo. (I've already seen enough of Betemit, though.)

HomeFish
03-02-2009, 11:04 PM
Am I the only one who actually like Cabrera? He had a great glove up the middle, and although he had a down year last year(which wasnt even really bad) hes still a very good hitter. Too bad the relationship between him and the team/management went bad. Would have loved to see him come back.

No, you're not alone. I was a Cabrera fan last year and would frequently defend him from his critics on this forum. And I was always hoping that he would accept arbitration.

The guy who talked about how OC's replacement at SS is better than OC is missing one thing: we're going to have a black hole at 2B now.

Tragg
03-02-2009, 11:09 PM
The As signed him for 1 year; so next year, they'll get picks when someone signs him, right? They could get a year out of him and better pickes than what they gave up, depending on who signs him.

Thrilled for us that they signed him.

longtimesoxguy
03-02-2009, 11:27 PM
I wish him well. He might of been a goof but he came to play!!!!

StillMissOzzie
03-02-2009, 11:45 PM
The As signed him for 1 year; so next year, they'll get picks when someone signs him, right? They could get a year out of him and better pickes than what they gave up, depending on who signs him.

Thrilled for us that they signed him.

Only if they offer arbitration and he declines. I wonder if he'd make that mistake again, let alone whether the A's would in fact offer it.

SMO
:gulp:

jabrch
03-02-2009, 11:53 PM
Only if they offer arbitration and he declines. I wonder if he'd make that mistake again, let alone whether the A's would in fact offer it.

SMO
:gulp:

All depends on how well he plays this season...

HebrewHammer
03-03-2009, 12:13 AM
Don't we also get a supplemental pick for "losing" Ken Griffey?

Nellie_Fox
03-03-2009, 01:05 AM
The owners insisted on the arbitration system, the MPBPA fought against it, they wanted unlimited free agency. I realize the truth hurts your assertion a bit, but if you going to make statements they should be based on facts.I always read that Marvin Miller was amazed that the owners proposed arbitration, knowing that it would be a gold mine for the players.

hawkjt
03-03-2009, 02:41 AM
I did not dislike him and am still worried about filling his shoes...sure Alexei seems like he will probably be fine but he is still only a second year guy, and Cabrera really was a pro player...a vet.

And we still have no one better to lead off than him...ouch. Draft picks are still longshots in baseball.

DirtySox
03-03-2009, 08:42 AM
Don't we also get a supplemental pick for "losing" Ken Griffey?

No. We didn't offer him arbitration, as he probably would have accepted it.

cws05champ
03-03-2009, 09:23 AM
BA now updated the draft order with the Cruz and OC signings:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/

MisterB
03-03-2009, 12:07 PM
I always read that Marvin Miller was amazed that the owners proposed arbitration, knowing that it would be a gold mine for the players.

I guess in the owners' typically myopic view that they felt retaining the rights to the players (for as long as possible) was the most important thing. :dunno:

NLaloosh
03-03-2009, 01:48 PM
22, 38, 63 and 73 ? Sounds good to me. **** Cabrera. All I care about are the Sox picks?

Daver
03-03-2009, 04:08 PM
I always read that Marvin Miller was amazed that the owners proposed arbitration, knowing that it would be a gold mine for the players.

The owners didn't just propose it, they fought for it, and would not accept unlimited free agency. Arbitration is the main reason Charlie Finley grew disgusted with MLB, shortly after it was accepted he sold the A's.

Lip Man 1
03-03-2009, 04:27 PM
Finley in fact went so far as to propose that ALL players be named free agents EVERY year.

He felt flooding the market with hundreds of players would drive down the price to get their services.

Lip

SBSoxFan
03-03-2009, 11:42 PM
I read the Sox were talking to Toronto about a sign-and-trade (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090302&content_id=3906900&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws) of Cabrera. I didn't quite understand the whole thing. Apparently the idea was for the Sox to sign Cabrera and trade him to Toronto. That way, Toronto wouldn't have had to give up 2 draft picks.

Anyway, I know there's been discussion on this board regarding sign and trade, and here the Sox were investigating one.

bigdommer
03-08-2009, 02:19 PM
The owners insisted on the arbitration system, the MPBPA fought against it, they wanted unlimited free agency. I realize the truth hurts your assertion a bit, but if you going to make statements they should be based on facts.

Dude, I never said that the players or agents created the system. The point was that the players/agents used the system for leverage to get better deals, and now it's backfiring against them. I will use a crayon next time for you.