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BleacherBandit
02-07-2009, 11:40 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/thomafr04.shtml

He currently has a career batting average of .301, and it has been in a steady decline since '04.

Should he retire to preserve his above .300 average? I know that he would get into the HOF based on home runs alone, but I just think the average helps him all the more when talking about all time greats. Although I'd love to see him sign with the Sox for a one year deal just to end his career here in Chicago, wouldn't you like to see him retire with his current numbers?

SOXfnNlansing
02-07-2009, 11:50 PM
We talked about this a couple months ago. I agree with the notion of going out with the .300+ batting average.

Lip Man 1
02-08-2009, 12:50 AM
In a word...yes.

Lip

voodoochile
02-08-2009, 12:52 AM
I think he's going to have the decision made for him. No one will offer him a contract with his ankle problems. If he can play and he can get a contract, then he shouldn't worry about the average he should play. Life is too short to have any regrets and once he's done, he's done.

Domeshot17
02-08-2009, 01:34 AM
This should be done properly. He should sign a MLC deal with the Sox, Put on the Uniform, and retire. Would be a huge boost for PR too.

Chrisaway
02-08-2009, 02:01 AM
I wonder if the Jackhammers offer is still on the table?

For real though, if Frank still thinks he has a year or 2 left in him he should stick around. I find it hard to imagine baseball without the big guy around.

RKMeibalane
02-08-2009, 05:41 AM
Yes.

The fact that he hasn't received any offers speaks for itself.

WhiteSox1989
02-08-2009, 08:13 AM
Yeah, he should.

tick53
02-08-2009, 08:29 AM
I would be a good time for Frank to hang up his spikes but wait until all this A Rod / Barry Bonds crap disappears. That way might get a little media love that he deserves.

Madscout
02-08-2009, 08:45 AM
Yes.

I love him, and still love seeing him play, but yes.

soxinem1
02-08-2009, 10:21 AM
I don't want to see Frank go out like Baines did, and Harold did not have the physical issues Hurt does.

I think he's done.

munchman33
02-08-2009, 12:08 PM
This should be done properly. He should sign a MLC deal with the Sox, Put on the Uniform, and retire. Would be a huge boost for PR too.

Wait, KW got fired?! When did that happen? Jeez, I'm out of it.

thomas35forever
02-08-2009, 01:35 PM
His name doesn't even pop up in rumors anymore. This is probably the best time for him to hang it up.

TornLabrum
02-08-2009, 02:01 PM
The dream I had a month or so ago had him saying he was going to finish his career with the Montreal Legumes, so I take that as evidence that he will retire. It's probably time for him to do so anyway.

tstrike2000
02-08-2009, 02:05 PM
Yes, he's done everything he can in this game. Sit back, relax, and wait for the call from Cooperstown.

guillen4life13
02-08-2009, 02:41 PM
If he happens to be healthy, he showed in '06 and '07 that he is still a legit RBI man. The question is his health. I think he could still be a 90+ RBI hitter with 20+ homers. He's not gonna get paid much given the market, but I think that he would be able to find a job by May.

soxpride724
02-08-2009, 07:21 PM
I wonder if the Jackhammers offer is still on the table?

For real though, if Frank still thinks he has a year or 2 left in him he should stick around. I find it hard to imagine baseball without the big guy around.



LOL at the Jackhammers comment. I beleive the incentive to that deal was a free appartment in downtown Joliet,lol.

But seriously, I'm with everyone else here who hopes Big Frank goes out with a carreer BA of over .300.

guillen4life13
02-08-2009, 08:27 PM
LOL at the Jackhammers comment. I beleive the incentive to that deal was a free appartment in downtown Joliet,lol.

But seriously, I'm with everyone else here who hopes Big Frank goes out with a carreer BA of over .300.

I don't understand you guys. It's not like people won't remember what kind of hitter he was. He will get into the hall regardless of anything at this point except being exposed as a PED user.

I think he should honestly evaluate himself and ask what kind of compromises he would have to make to play at this level. He isn't going to get a huge paycheck, but he would be a good hitter on any team in need of a run producing DH.

Does he still desire to play and does he think he can still play? If yes, then he should try to play.

Noneck
02-08-2009, 08:44 PM
If you get no offers, What is his choice? Sit out like So So and wait for an offer but not formally retire?

TornLabrum
02-08-2009, 09:23 PM
At Frank's age, he can't afford to wait too long before deciding to retire.

viagracat
02-08-2009, 09:57 PM
It's telling that he has received no offers to play.

Hate to see him go out this way. Hell of a career, but it's over. :(:

chisox616
02-08-2009, 10:58 PM
This should be done properly. He should sign a MLC deal with the Sox, Put on the Uniform, and retire. Would be a huge boost for PR too.

Seriously. I'd be crushed if it happened any other way. I owe him for my devotion to the White Sox and baseball itself. Even with MJ and the Bulls running around in the 90s, I was still about baseball. And it's all because of Frank.

I don't wanna see his relationship with the Sox end on a poor note. Give him what he deserves.

munchman33
02-09-2009, 09:22 AM
I don't wanna see his relationship with the Sox end on a poor note. Give him what he deserves.

This organization has a tendancy to end that way with its most prolific players.

And besides, the relationship already ended on a poor note.

asindc
02-09-2009, 11:27 AM
Wait, KW got fired?! When did that happen? Jeez, I'm out of it.

I can't imagine that KW will let their feud get in the way of a great PR move. I met Frank when I was in Vegas a few years ago, right before his monster 2003 season. When I mentioned that I am a Sox fan, his eyes lit up. I will be shocked if he doesn't want to retire a Sox, and I will be just as suprised if JR allows KW to block such a move.

To answer the OP's question, it saddens me to say so, but yes, Frank should retire.

jabrch
02-09-2009, 12:03 PM
Would Frank be happy playing for the minimum? If he would, maybe he could find a DH job.

He hit .240/.349/.374 last year. This may well be the end of the line.

Kudos to you big guy...Thanks for the memories!

munchman33
02-09-2009, 01:30 PM
I can't imagine that KW will let their feud get in the way of a great PR move.

:KW
"You better stay out of White Sox business."

Frankfan4life
02-10-2009, 11:35 PM
Except for the experience of actually playing in a world series, there are no other milestones left that he can reach. Obviously, love of the game is keeping him going and I can't blame him for that.

TDog
02-11-2009, 01:56 AM
I don't want to see Frank go out like Baines did, and Harold did not have the physical issues Hurt does. ...

Harold Baines had some serious physical issues during his final tour with the White Sox. He even had more knee surgery last year.

I thought Frank Thomas should have retired before last season, which was pretty much a lost year for him. I have been told that Thomas is hanging on for the money, but I don't know if that is the case.

jabrch
02-11-2009, 07:37 AM
Except for the experience of actually playing in a world series, there are no other milestones left that he can reach. Obviously, love of the game is keeping him going and I can't blame him for that.

What about $?

InKennyWeTrust
02-11-2009, 10:31 AM
This should be done properly. He should sign a MLC deal with the Sox, Put on the Uniform, and retire. Would be a huge boost for PR too.
What's an MLC?

soxfanatlanta
02-11-2009, 10:48 AM
What's an MLC?
Minor League Contract

Back on topic: I loathe writing this, but he should retire and start his new career as hitting instructor.

soxfan21
02-11-2009, 10:53 AM
Minor League Contract

Back on topic: I loathe writing this, but he should retire and start his new career as hitting instructor.

For the Sox perhaps.....

RKMeibalane
02-11-2009, 11:43 AM
Minor League Contract

Back on topic: I loathe writing this, but he should retire and start his new career as hitting instructor.

I'm not sure if Frank would be a good hitting instructor. He seems like an intelligent, articulate individual who could communicate well with players, but he has so much natural ability (superior strength, hand-eye coordination) that it may be difficult for him to relate his experience as a hitter to the average player, who doesn't have his gifts.

Ted Williams was a hitting instructor for several years, and faced these types of obstacles. He frequently became frustrated with players, because they could not do things that he considered instinctive.

It's been my experience that the best hitting instructors are those who have had to actively think about hitting and make themselves into a sucessful player, as opposed to someone who has exceptional physical talent.

soxfanatlanta
02-11-2009, 01:04 PM
I'm not sure if Frank would be a good hitting instructor. He seems like an intelligent, articulate individual who could communicate well with players, but he has so much natural ability (superior strength, hand-eye coordination) that it may be difficult for him to relate his experience as a hitter to the average player, who doesn't have his gifts.

Ted Williams was a hitting instructor for several years, and faced these types of obstacles. He frequently became frustrated with players, because they could not do things that he considered instinctive.

It's been my experience that the best hitting instructors are those who have had to actively think about hitting and make themselves into a sucessful player, as opposed to someone who has exceptional physical talent.

I agree that there is a good chance he would not be very good with players, but we won't know for sure unless he tries it. I for one would love to see him try.

Eddo144
02-11-2009, 01:22 PM
It's been my experience that the best hitting instructors are those who have had to actively think about hitting and make themselves into a sucessful player, as opposed to someone who has exceptional physical talent.
Right. I've heard stories about players who were asked to speak to kids at camps about hitting, and basically did a terrible job because everything just comes naturally to them.

guillen4life13
02-11-2009, 02:03 PM
I'm not sure if Frank would be a good hitting instructor. He seems like an intelligent, articulate individual who could communicate well with players, but he has so much natural ability (superior strength, hand-eye coordination) that it may be difficult for him to relate his experience as a hitter to the average player, who doesn't have his gifts.

Ted Williams was a hitting instructor for several years, and faced these types of obstacles. He frequently became frustrated with players, because they could not do things that he considered instinctive.

It's been my experience that the best hitting instructors are those who have had to actively think about hitting and make themselves into a sucessful player, as opposed to someone who has exceptional physical talent.

While Frank has that natural ability and talent, he did learn the Lau/Hriniak hitting method and is probably as well versed in that pedagogy as anyone other than Hriniak. With all of his pure talent, Frank did go by that ideology and I believe it helped him immensely. He attributed his comeback in 2000 to working with Hriniak to change his hitting stance and tweak his swing mechanics.

Frankfan4life
02-11-2009, 11:15 PM
What about $?That's a good reason too! His child support payments are probably brutal!

soxfanreggie
02-14-2009, 02:35 PM
He should retire. The Sox should sign him as an ambassador and have him glad-hand at ST and do some events at the Cell. He's worth a decent personal services contract. He would get paid more than enough for the remainder of his "working years". Then, in a few years he can fly to Cooperstown for his induction.

I wonder how much deferred compensation he has coming to him from the Sox. Didn't we defer $10 million in 2002 for the diminishing skills? I know they reworked the remaining years (03-06), but I think they still deferred something. He can probably get the child support payments lowered if all he is drawing is a personal services contract (a couple hundred grand?) and a decent MLB pension.

TDog
02-14-2009, 06:09 PM
...

Ted Williams was a hitting instructor for several years, and faced these types of obstacles. He frequently became frustrated with players, because they could not do things that he considered instinctive. ...

I don't know where you got this. When I was a kid, Ted Williams was regarded as the best hitting coach in baseball, although he technically wasn't a hitting coach. He was the manager of the Washington Senators and Texas Rangers and took on the additional duty of being the hitting coach because he said he enjoyed working with young hitters, according to the magazine articles I read. (Nellie Fox, however, was his bunting coach because he knew nothing about bunting.) In his book, The Science of Hitting, he notes his success with Senators' hitters, such as Eddie Brinkman.

I also read that the Senators/Rangers had a standing fine in place if he was caught talking with opposing players about hitting before games. By all accounts I ever read, Ted Williams loved coaching hitting.

That being said, I don't know if Frank Thomas has the temperment to be a hitting coach.

RKMeibalane
02-14-2009, 07:13 PM
I don't know where you got this. When I was a kid, Ted Williams was regarded as the best hitting coach in baseball, although he technically wasn't a hitting coach. He was the manager of the Washington Senators and Texas Rangers and took on the additional duty of being the hitting coach because he said he enjoyed working with young hitters, according to the magazine articles I read. (Nellie Fox, however, was his bunting coach because he knew nothing about bunting.) In his book, The Science of Hitting, he notes his success with Senators' hitters, such as Eddie Brinkman.

I also read that the Senators/Rangers had a standing fine in place if he was caught talking with opposing players about hitting before games. By all accounts I ever read, Ted Williams loved coaching hitting.

That being said, I don't know if Frank Thomas has the temperment to be a hitting coach.

My apologies, as I didn't phrase my post properly. I didn't mean to say that Williams' hated teaching other players about hitting. What I meant was that the inability of some hitters to grasp concepts that Williams considered instinctive as, at times, a source of frustration for Ted. Hope that clears things up.

EndemicSox
02-14-2009, 07:14 PM
I love Frank Thomas as much as one man can love any athlete, with MJ a close second, but if there is one thing I know about Frank, its that he is a stat whore, in a good way, of course! He will retire before his career average dips below .300, I'd wager an extremely pretty penny on it.