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mikedaspike
01-27-2009, 05:13 PM
I was thinking recently about all the talk about trading Jermaine Dye. If the Sox did trade him, I thought of a alternative that the Sox could pick up: Bobby Abreu. I was wondering what your opinions of trading Dye and signing Abreu are. If you compare their career numbers, Abreu's are better in almost every example. Plus, Abreu has more speed, which could be good for the new look Sox. I'm not saying the Sox should trade Dye; just if they do, they should at least consider Abreu. The market for him isn't exactly burning up, and they could probably get him cheaper than Dye, which would also save money. Just interested in your thoughts.

By the way, Dye's stats are here (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/player_locator_results.jsp), Abreu's are here (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=110029).
Just something to think about in the dull of winter.

sullythered
01-27-2009, 05:18 PM
I realize you're new, but "What's the Score?"

JermaineDye05
01-27-2009, 05:18 PM
http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm.jpg

Lefty34
01-27-2009, 05:29 PM
I was thinking recently about all the talk about trading Jermaine Dye. If the Sox did trade him, I thought of a alternative that the Sox could pick up: Bobby Abreu. I was wondering what your opinions of trading Dye and signing Abreu are. If you compare their career numbers, Abreu's are better in almost every example. Plus, Abreu has more speed, which could be good for the new look Sox. I'm not saying the Sox should trade Dye; just if they do, they should at least consider Abreu. The market for him isn't exactly burning up, and they could probably get him cheaper than Dye, which would also save money. Just interested in your thoughts.

By the way, Dye's stats are here (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/player_locator_results.jsp), Abreu's are here (http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=110029).
Just something to think about in the dull of winter.

I'm not sure about the window for trading Dye (whether it is open or closed or just cracked a little), but it would depend on who we could get for him, and how much of his salary we would have to eat. Dye will be making $11.5 million this year, and while his full no trade clause expired in '08, he has a limited trade clause this upcoming season (he could block trades to six clubs).

I don't know how much Abreu would command, but if it is a goodly amount and we would have to eat some of Dye's salary, the waters become a little bit more murky. However I would take Abreu playing RF for this club, and while his OPS+ was not as great as Dye's on '08, he had an OBP nearly 30 points higher than Dye, and his career OBP is 67 points higher than Dye's.

Daver
01-27-2009, 05:33 PM
http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm.jpg


One of your better posts.

esbrechtel
01-27-2009, 05:33 PM
Welcome to WSI.

I understand you are new and I don't mean this in a mean way but this has been discussed at length here. Probably will see the same ammount of arguments. I think most were for, only if we could get pitching for Dye IIRC.

turners56
01-27-2009, 06:35 PM
Kenny doesn't have Abreu money to spend this off-season.

35th and Shields
01-27-2009, 07:14 PM
Kenny doesn't have Abreu money to spend this off-season.

What do you think it would cost to get Abreu?

areilly
01-27-2009, 07:18 PM
Just something to think about in the dull of winter.

Why wouldn't the team that would trade for Dye instead simply sign Abreu?

turners56
01-27-2009, 07:26 PM
Why wouldn't the team that would trade for Dye instead simply sign Abreu?

Because Dye costs less.

DaveFeelsRight
01-27-2009, 09:21 PM
abreu wants three years..........yeah no

Tragg
01-27-2009, 09:25 PM
What's the trade proposal?

WhiteSoxFan84
01-27-2009, 09:58 PM
Why wouldn't the team that would trade for Dye instead simply sign Abreu?

Bingo!


Because Dye costs less.

False.


What's the trade proposal?

Dye to the free agent market for Abreu. Come on stupid!

JermaineDye05
01-27-2009, 10:44 PM
One of your better posts.

You can never go wrong with the facepalm :D:

whitesox901
01-27-2009, 10:57 PM
Dye to the free agent market for Abreu. Come on stupid!

This really made me laugh :tongue:

SoxNation05
01-27-2009, 11:49 PM
This really made me laugh :tongue:

Teal?

WhiteSoxFan84
01-28-2009, 12:29 AM
Teal?

Wise guy, ay?

http://www.yopress.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/curly.jpg

Frater Perdurabo
01-28-2009, 09:09 AM
Somewhat back on topic...

If Dye completes the 2009 season with the Sox, he will have completed five seasons with the Sox and thus will have earned 10-5 status and thus the right to approve or veto any trade.

So what should KW do?

1. Trade Dye now? Signals a more aggressive rebuilding unless the Sox pick up a comparable OF (Abreu) to take his place.

2. Trade Dye during the season before July 31? This is only doable if the Sox are out of the race at the time, or if at that time they have a surplus of OFs hitting well (hypothetically if both BA and Owens are tearing it up in addition to Quentin - not a likely scenario), but need a pitcher or infielder for a playoff push.

3. Buy out Dye's option year for $1 million, then offer him arbitration, hoping to get draft pick compensation? But what if Dye accepts arbitration? Then he can't be dealt in 2010 without his approval.

4. Pick up Dye's option for 2010? Dye can't be dealt in 2010 without his approval.

EuroSox35
01-29-2009, 01:15 AM
His eyes are too close together

I don't follow Abreu that much to remember how he is defensively (above average IIRC?) but in NY a big criticism of him was that he's terrified of collisions (especially with OF walls) and that really hurts how he plays some hits or flyballs