View Full Version : Question...since Rice is going to the HOF

01-13-2009, 08:56 PM
I'm happy for Jim Rice going to the HOF. I liked Rice and Fred Lynn growing up as a boy. That said, I was just looking at his numbers and comparing them with Jermaine's numbers.

Rice played in 2089 games. He batted .298 with 382 HR's and an astounding 1451 RBI. He was an above average fielder .980 fielding %, with 137 assists (off the monster).

Dye has played in 1622 games. He's batting .276 with 298 Hr's, and 991 rbi. He has been an above average fielder .981 field% with 88 assists (no one hopper off the monster).

If Dye were to play 3 more complete seasons and wind up hitting .280 lifetime, I think their numbers would be comparable (except Rice's RBI production). I'm not sure how MLBBW weigh All Star selections for HOF considerations, especially with all the drug use by AL all stars of Dye's era. Dye has a WS Championship and a WS MVP.

Does Dye have a chance with no League MVP or multiple All Star selections to get in? What do you think? I'd say probably not, but maybe when he's in his mid to late 50's he could get in.

01-13-2009, 09:00 PM
No way....not a chance.

01-13-2009, 09:39 PM
The only way I see Dye having a chance is if the voters get rid of every suspected roid user's stats and judge the non-roid players relative to each other.

01-13-2009, 09:56 PM
Can people please stop using fielding percentage as a metric?

Thank you.

01-13-2009, 10:15 PM
Dye has no chance. Simply put, his numbers may been somewhat similar to Rice's, but in an era of greater offense, so Rice's are much more impressive.

(Also, Rice shouldn't have gotten in, if solely because it opens the door for arguments like this one for Dye.)

01-13-2009, 10:37 PM
Let me borrow an echo from a Garfield and Friends episode.

"No chance...no way...no how...nothing."

01-13-2009, 10:41 PM
If I say yes, will the Angles throw in Howie Kendrick or Erick Aybar?

I want Mags back
01-13-2009, 10:44 PM
Can people please stop using fielding percentage as a metric?

Thank you.


01-13-2009, 11:51 PM
I think that its an okay rule of thumb that any 'power hitter' vieing to get into the HOF should at least have 400 homeruns, and an average around .300. If you look at players in the hall like that, I bet they all meet that criterion and most surpass it. It's true that Rice is below such marks, but lots of people are currently contesting his induction already.

EDIT: And also, If we are already using one of the more questionable picks for the HOF as a template for general acceptence, I think you'll have a big situation on your hands.

01-14-2009, 12:32 AM
You also have to look at the era in which they played. There are many, many reasons why you can't just compare raw stats of players who were not contemporaries.