PDA

View Full Version : Game 163 question.


LITTLE NELL
01-09-2009, 04:09 PM
Every year I bet my one of my cronies 2 dollars a win, Sox vs. Reds. He claims I should not get credit for game 163 which of course we won for 89 wins vs. his Reds 74 wins. The $2 is no big deal, I feel that it was an official game with all records counting and he disagrees saying the bet is based on a 162 game season. Who is right?

MushMouth
01-09-2009, 04:11 PM
My friend paid up, as that game pushed the Sox over the Sox/Cubs win spread bet we made. It's a legit regular season game.

However, I alerted him of the possibility a week or so before hand, and he agreed to abide. So there was no controversy.

Iwritecode
01-09-2009, 04:12 PM
Every year I bet my one of my cronies 2 dollars a win, Sox vs. Reds. He claims I should not get credit for game 163 which of course we won for 89 wins vs. his Reds 74 wins. The $2 is no big deal, I feel that it was an official game with all records counting and he disagrees saying the bet is based on a 162 game season. Who is right?

I'd say he owes you the extra $2. You're betting on the difference in wins no matter how many games they played. What about a strike-shortened season?

jabrch
01-09-2009, 04:15 PM
If the stats count by the MLB as a regular season game, I can't see how he can justify not paying you.

doublem23
01-09-2009, 04:15 PM
It's a regular season game. He owes you some money.

Just remind him where you're from and how we do business around here.

:club:

TDog
01-09-2009, 04:36 PM
If you look up the major league baseball rules on line, in Section 10, you will have documentation that single-game playoff games to determine divisional championships, or wild cards for that matter, are counted as regular season games. I am too lazy to look up the rule.

A question similar to yours came up after the 1978 season. There were questions about whether the Yankees-Red Sox game to decide the East counted as a regular season game. I'm not sure if it had to do with incentive bonuses, but it seems it was something like that. Beginning in 1979, the rulebook made it clear that such games were part of the regular season.

The parameters of the bet probably didn't say anything about the first 162 games of the regular season. In 1969, of course, the Cubs played 163 games to get to 90 wins, winning Game 163 against the Mets to pull to within eight games of first. They tied with the Reds on a rainy Saturday afternoon and had to make up the game. The White Sox played 163 games in 1974 because only one of their three tie games was made up. They were a .500 team despite getting to only 80 wins.

Surely, if the White Sox had not played 162 games because that last game against the Tigers didn't need to be made up, your friend would not be giving you any sort of credit.

In any case, the rulebook is on your side.

Lip Man 1
01-09-2009, 04:39 PM
All tiebreaker games needed to determine a playoff position are considered "regular season" games and all statistics count in the regular season records.

Tell your friend to pay up.

Lip

hellenicsoxfan
01-09-2009, 05:06 PM
He owes you. A season is only scheduled to be 162 games. Often times, due to rainouts that aren't made up, a team will only play 160 or 161 games. This time the Sox happened to play 163. A season is however many games the team played.

DumpJerry
01-09-2009, 05:07 PM
The official standings from MLB count the game in the overall W-L records for the Twins and Sox. www.baseball-reference.com

Regular season game. Not an issue.

Lundind1
01-09-2009, 05:16 PM
He should be paying up.

Rule 10.20 states that "Any games played to break a divisional tie shall be included in the statistics for that championship season".

It is stated at the end of page 121 here : http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/10_the_official_scorer.pdf

Dibbs
01-09-2009, 05:41 PM
A game is a game is a game.

He owes.

PaleHoseGeorge
01-09-2009, 08:36 PM
It's a playoff game. How do I know? I watch a lot of baseball games.

/bmr31















:wink:

Daver
01-09-2009, 08:39 PM
It's a playoff game. How do I know? I watch a lot of baseball games.

/bmr31


I doubt there are a whole lot of members left here that remember him.

Brian26
01-09-2009, 08:46 PM
I doubt there are a whole lot of members left here that remember him.

Speaking of names from the past, whatever happened to Cheryl?

Johnny Mostil
01-09-2009, 08:47 PM
I doubt there are a whole lot of members left here that remember him.

Heh. Speaking of blasts from the past, damn near first thing I thought of reading this thread was whether the Cubs won 90 in '98 . . .

PaleHoseGeorge
01-09-2009, 09:03 PM
Speaking of names from the past, whatever happened to Cheryl?

I think she left once and for all in the build up to war with Iraq. Another WSI casualty for absolutely nothing related to the Sox...

Lundind1
01-09-2009, 11:36 PM
I think she left once and for all in the build up to war with Iraq. Another WSI casualty for absolutely nothing related to the Sox...

Just how many times has someone gotten nailed for something that they should know already???

itsnotrequired
01-09-2009, 11:39 PM
give me the $2.

4 points
01-11-2009, 02:41 AM
Tell him to pay up and be "Dunn" with it.:gulp: