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Risk
01-05-2009, 04:48 PM
Just heard over the radio. No link yet.

RIP nonetheless.

Risk

turners56
01-05-2009, 04:50 PM
RIP

So who takes over the team?

MisterB
01-05-2009, 04:58 PM
Just heard over the radio. No link yet.

Here you go...

Longtime Twins owner Carl Pohlad, 93, dies (http://www.startribune.com/business/37106499.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DU2EPaL_V_9E7ODiUiD 3aPc:_Yyc:aUU)

areilly
01-05-2009, 05:00 PM
RIP

So who takes over the team?

I wonder if we're looking at the dawn of a less extreme sequel to what happened with the Wirtzes.

Foulke You
01-05-2009, 05:06 PM
I had no idea he was that old. For the sake of the Sox, I hope whoever takes over for Pohlad is just as tight with the purse strings.

Soxman219
01-05-2009, 05:19 PM
I had no idea he was that old. For the sake of the Sox, I hope whoever takes over for Pohlad is just as tight with the purse strings.

That's what I was thinking. The new owner might actually spend money.

WhiteSox5187
01-05-2009, 05:37 PM
RIP. How long has he owned the team? Did he buy it from the Griffiths?

DumpJerry
01-05-2009, 05:39 PM
RIP

So who takes over the team?
I hope it's not Rocky Pohlad.

Oh wait, the Twins are already on television for their home and road games already. They either make the playoffs each year or get close to it without spending tons of $$$. I guess there won't be many changes coming soon.

Edit: I just read the article. His wife was 104 when she died in 2000. Can I get some of the drinking water in their home???

DumpJerry
01-05-2009, 06:05 PM
RIP. How long has he owned the team? Did he buy it from the Griffiths?
He paid $38,000,000 in 1984 to buy them from Calvin Griffin.

What a deal!

LoveYourSuit
01-05-2009, 06:12 PM
What a shame, 1 yr prior to his team playing at a new stadium they so struggled to get.

DumpJerry
01-05-2009, 06:14 PM
What a shame, 1 yr prior to his team playing at a new stadium they so struggled to get.
The players may have struggled to get it, but Pohlad fought it tooth and nail until the state agreed to pay for it on the taxpayers' dime.

Taliesinrk
01-05-2009, 07:01 PM
The players may have struggled to get it, but Pohlad fought it tooth and nail until the state agreed to pay for it on the taxpayers' dime.

No joke. They were arguing over it when I lived there and that was over a decade ago.

That said, it looks to be pretty nice. However, the models shown never have snow on the field.

turners56
01-05-2009, 07:11 PM
The players may have struggled to get it, but Pohlad fought it tooth and nail until the state agreed to pay for it on the taxpayers' dime.

He's rich as hell. Why couldn't he throw some of his own private money in there to help the state out a little bit and convince them earlier?

thomas35forever
01-05-2009, 07:38 PM
Was he a big reason the Twins avoided contraction some years back?

Daver
01-05-2009, 07:41 PM
Was he a big reason the Twins avoided contraction some years back?

No. he was perfectly willing to accept MLB's contraction offer, the MLBPA stopped the contraction attempt.

champagne030
01-05-2009, 07:47 PM
He paid $38,000,000 in 1984 to buy them from Calvin Griffin.

What a deal!

Uncle Jerry bought the White Sox for a little under $20M in 1981. :shrug:

DumpJerry
01-05-2009, 07:58 PM
He's rich as hell. Why couldn't he throw some of his own private money in there to help the state out a little bit and convince them earlier?

That statement is blasphemy in the Pohlad home.

Was he a big reason the Twins avoided contraction some years back?
He offered up the Twins for contraction without hesitation. He did it quicker than you toss used coffee grounds. The courts stopped the effort when the Players Association intervened.

DumpJerry
01-05-2009, 08:00 PM
Uncle Jerry bought the White Sox for a little under $20M in 1981. :shrug:
Another good deal. Why the shrug? Did you have $21M lying around in your checking account in 1981 that you could have used to outbid Uncle Jerry?

champagne030
01-05-2009, 08:02 PM
Another good deal. Why the shrug? Did you have $21M lying around in your checking account in 1981 that you could have used to outbid Uncle Jerry?

The shrug was that Jerry made the better deal, not that Carl was hurting.

Standing Ovation
01-05-2009, 08:07 PM
Billy Heywood is going to take over for Gardenhire. I like our chances now.

turners56
01-05-2009, 08:23 PM
That statement is blasphemy in the Pohlad home.


He offered up the Twins for contraction without hesitation. He did it quicker than you toss used coffee grounds. The courts stopped the effort when the Players Association intervened.

And yet, some people say he saved the Twins...

He did win them two world championships, but it's obvious that he didn't care for them much after their hideous efforts in the late 90s.

Daver
01-05-2009, 08:24 PM
He did win them two world championships, but it's obvious that he didn't care for them much after their hideous efforts in the late 90s.

Based on what?

turners56
01-05-2009, 08:29 PM
Based on what?

That he accepted the contraction offer on the fly.

Daver
01-05-2009, 08:34 PM
That he accepted the contraction offer on the fly.

He was going to recieve more than the teams value in return for accepting contraction.

turners56
01-05-2009, 08:37 PM
He was going to recieve more than the teams value in return for accepting contraction.

And if he actually cared for the team, he wouldn't of even accepted it.

Daver
01-05-2009, 08:42 PM
And if he actually cared for the team, he wouldn't of even accepted it.

That depends on whether you view it as an investment or a pastime. With Pohlad business always came first.

october23sp
01-05-2009, 08:57 PM
Rip

HomeFish
01-05-2009, 11:18 PM
Twins fans are probably reacting to this just like Hawks fans reacted to Dollar Bill passing: celebrating as much as they can without committing a banable offense on their forums.

But there is a big different: Pohlad won two championships and fielded a team that has dominated the AL Central in the last decade. Twins fans should shut up and mourn the man who gave them a winning, entertaining team regularly among the top finishers in the league.

HomeFish
01-05-2009, 11:19 PM
The shrug was that Jerry made the better deal, not that Carl was hurting.

Maybe, but Carl's team has been unquestioningly better over that same period.

BadBobbyJenks
01-05-2009, 11:20 PM
Is this going to be a Bill Wirtz type of situation for the fan base?

HomeFish
01-05-2009, 11:21 PM
Is this going to be a Bill Wirtz type of situation for the fan base?

Every Twins fan I know hates Pohlad with a passion, no matter how much I try to tell them that it is entirely irrational.

DSpivack
01-05-2009, 11:46 PM
Every Twins fan I know hates Pohlad with a passion, no matter how much I try to tell them that it is entirely irrational.

Irrational? He tried to get rid of his own team.

nasox
01-06-2009, 12:28 AM
Irrational? He tried to get rid of his own team.

HomeFish also said that the Twins have dominated the AL Central the last decade. Dominated. Nothing he says is credible.

doublem23
01-06-2009, 01:04 AM
HomeFish also said that the Twins have dominated the AL Central the last decade. Dominated. Nothing he says is credible.

This would probably be the point to let HomeFish know that during the last decade (10 seasons from 1999-2008), the Twins don't have the best record in the division. Or 2nd best.

:shrug:

HomeFish
01-06-2009, 01:41 AM
HomeFish also said that the Twins have dominated the AL Central the last decade. Dominated. Nothing he says is credible.

Story of the AL Central:

1998: Indians
1999: Indians
2000: White Sox
2001: Indians
2002: Twins
2003: Twins
2004: Twins
2005: White Sox
2006: Twins
2007: Indians
2008: White Sox

Twins have won it 4/10 years, which ties them with the Indians. The more recent you look at it, the better the Twins are; certainly since 2000 they are the dominant team. And they have two world championships in my lifetime, which is more than any other team in the division.

HomeFish
01-06-2009, 01:43 AM
In MLB, there is probably no better bang-for-your-buck than being a Twins fan.

WhiteSoxFan84
01-06-2009, 01:57 AM
In MLB, there is probably no better bang-for-your-buck than being a Twins fan.

:scratch: ahhh... yeh there is... being a Marlins fan.

guillensdisciple
01-06-2009, 01:58 AM
Well, I can't say I know much about the Twins organization, nor do I much like the team. However, I have always had a respect for its fanbase and ownership because they seem to be educated and respectful people.
Any death is a sad one, and I am sure this guy had a profound impact on Twins baseball for a long time.

Carl Pohlad rest in peace, but may the Twins never be as successful as the White Sox.

Frater Perdurabo
01-06-2009, 06:15 AM
Every Twins fan I know hates Pohlad with a passion, no matter how much I try to tell them that it is entirely irrational.

Every Twins fan I know loathes him, too. Granted, I only know one Twins fan (my sister's husband), but his feelings are strong enough for several people.

DumpJerry
01-06-2009, 07:06 AM
Twins' fans rightly hated the guy. For years they wanted out of The Dome. During all those years it was known he had enough money in his checking account to build it and refused to do so and strongly pursued a taxpayer-based plan for a new stadium.

In addition, he refused to pursue high priced free agents which could have made the Twins a dominate AL team (not the AL Central, but the AL overall). It's one thing to win four of ten division titles (and then quickly exit in the playoffs), it's another to dominate the league so that your team is part of the national discussion. Twins fans (like all other fans) wanted their team at that level and Pohlad refused to take them there even though he had the means to do so. Pohlad did not cry poor to the fans, so the perception that he could use his lunch money to build the Upper Midwest version of the Yankees or Red Sox was never dispelled.

moochpuppy
01-06-2009, 11:37 AM
The players may have struggled to get it, but Pohlad fought it tooth and nail until the state agreed to pay for it on the taxpayers' dime.

Yeah, the billonaire didn't want to pay for it.

Carl Pohlad has been contracted.

The Twins will be better off.

moochpuppy
01-06-2009, 11:39 AM
Story of the AL Central:

1998: Indians
1999: Indians
2000: White Sox
2001: Indians
2002: Twins
2003: Twins
2004: Twins
2005: White Sox
2006: Twins
2007: Indians
2008: White Sox



I thought there were 5 teams in the AL Central. :rolleyes:

soltrain21
01-06-2009, 12:32 PM
I thought there were 5 teams in the AL Central. :rolleyes:


Um...He listed off the division winners?

moochpuppy
01-06-2009, 01:05 PM
Um...He listed off the division winners?

Teal be dammed!

oeo
01-06-2009, 01:18 PM
HomeFish also said that the Twins have dominated the AL Central the last decade. Dominated. Nothing he says is credible.

I still think HomeFish is a Twins fan. :dunno:

MISoxfan
01-06-2009, 01:28 PM
Story of the AL Central:

1998: Indians
1999: Indians
2000: White Sox
2001: Indians
2002: Twins
2003: Twins
2004: Twins
2005: White Sox
2006: Twins
2007: Indians
2008: White Sox

Twins have won it 4/10 years, which ties them with the Indians. The more recent you look at it, the better the Twins are; certainly since 2000 they are the dominant team. And they have two world championships in my lifetime, which is more than any other team in the division.

Which ties them with the Indians, but leaves them with a worse record over that period of time. We're also only one division title behind them and have a World Series Championship on top of that.

I'm not even sure what you mean about the more recent you look at it. That made sense in 2006, but not today. Certainly over the past 5 years the White Sox are the dominant team.

SOX ADDICT '73
01-06-2009, 01:56 PM
Story of the AL Central:

1998: Indians
1999: Indians
2000: White Sox
2001: Indians
2002: Twins
2003: Twins
2004: Twins
2005: White Sox
2006: Twins
2007: Indians
2008: White Sox

Twins have won it 4/10 years, which ties them with the Indians. The more recent you look at it, the better the Twins are; certainly since 2000 they are the dominant team. And they have two world championships in my lifetime, which is more than any other team in the division.
Stupid 2006 Tigers! Lost their last five games of the regular season, including three in a row to the woeful Royals. Meanwhile, the hated Twins finish up by losing two out of three to our Sox, but still manage to become the only team in major league history to clinch on the last day of the season without ever having been in first place until then.

Sure, they made their usual first round exit while the Tigers went on to the World Series, but those smug Twins (and their fans) still get to look back and boast of yet another Division Championship!:angry:

ma-gaga
01-06-2009, 02:44 PM
ugh. Browsing this thread without being logged in is painful.

It's a shame because fairly or unfairly the last memory I will have of Carl Pohlad is a money grubbing "Mr. Burns" or "Scrooge McDuck" type. The local media is going with the "He brought stability to the franchise" type arguments. But really:



He bought the team from the Griffiths, who for all accounts and purposes, were pretty slimy.
He won 2 World Series.
He begged, whined, lied, blackmailed, and threatened the State for 10-12 years to get a new stadium. Before he finally put together a bare-boned and "reasonable" financing proposal that was passed. I'm pretty sure that if he would have privately financed the stadium at the beginning, he would have had the sucker paid off by now.
He offered the team up for "Contraction" to make a profit. Whether he was serious or if this was just another ploy at getting a new stadium, we'll never know for sure. Let's put it this way, the Twins financial "books" were never publicly reviewed and I believe they were making a small profit despite their 'horrible financial woes'.
He set a team budget based on their revenues and stuck to it.
He died. Leaving the Twins in the hands of his family.

Jim Pohlad (son) will be taking over the team, and most insiders say he's been running the team for the last 2-3 years. So the Twins will, for better or worse, be run the same as before. Tight and sticking to a budget. I'm sure they'll increase their payroll once the new stadium comes "online". But not much more than they have to. I'm pretty sure there won't be a change in ownership. In fact, I think the Twins Stadium "Lease" forbids it (or it at least makes it financially infeasible to switch ownership groups).

I'm torn. No death makes me happy. But the lasting impression I will have of Pohlad is extremely negative, and I'm not sure if that will change.

:gulp:

AZChiSoxFan
01-07-2009, 05:38 PM
HomeFish also said that the Twins have dominated the AL Central the last decade. Dominated. Nothing he says is credible.

The best was when HomeFish predicted the 2005 Sox to win about 40 games. Classic.