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SoxNation05
12-24-2008, 07:11 PM
What do you think his ceiling is as a ballplayer? I am thinking Kelly Johnson.
Do you think he deserves the spot? Or will the spot just get handed to him?

whitesox901
12-24-2008, 07:14 PM
I think he best fits the mold, since he is a "scrappy" player.

btrain929
12-24-2008, 07:27 PM
I don't think it's a stretch for him to put up numbers a tick below Orlando Cabrera offensively of 2008. Let's say:

6-8HR's
35-50RBI
.270-.280AVG
.330-.350OBP
10-15SB's
Low K #'s
Good defense at 2B
Good speed on the basepaths

I don't think that's his ceiling, but I think those are realisitc #'s for his first year in the bigs. And for a guy making $350,000, I'll gladly take that. I think the only way he gets knocked from being the starting 2B is if he has a horrid spring training, combined with a complete 180 from Brent Lillibridge from his 2008. Lillibridge has more power, defense, and speed than Getz, but not the OBP and consistency that Chris has shown. It should be a fun battle.

HomeFish
12-24-2008, 07:28 PM
Getz has done absolutely nothing to earn the 2B job. He has not demonstrated that he can be a consistently productive player at the major league level. Depending on him as our starting-day 2B is madness: the kind of reckless gambling which would get any one of us dragged out of a casino by our loved ones.

btrain929
12-24-2008, 07:38 PM
Getz has done absolutely nothing to earn the 2B job. He has not demonstrated that he can be a consistently productive player at the major league level. Depending on him as our starting-day 2B is madness: the kind of reckless gambling which would get any one of us dragged out of a casino by our loved ones.

If he never gets a chance to prove he belongs on the major league level (which is what it sounds like you're promoting), isn't it impossible for him to demonstrate that he in fact CAN be a consistently productive player? :scratch:

JB98
12-24-2008, 07:46 PM
Where is the option for, "I have no idea?"

tm1119
12-24-2008, 08:18 PM
Wheres the I'd rather have Lillibridge option?

btrain929
12-24-2008, 08:20 PM
Wheres the I'd rather have Lillibridge option?

That would be the "no" option, since Lillibridge is the only other legitimate consideration to start at 2B.

WhiteSoxFan84
12-24-2008, 08:44 PM
i voted no.
he'll deserve it when he earns it.
if i were to vote yes, id feel like i was handing it to him without him earning it just yet.

KRS1
12-24-2008, 09:10 PM
"Deserve," as in, do I think he is entitled to it? No, but I absolutely do think he has earned and deserves a legit shot at winning the job.

DSpivack
12-24-2008, 09:18 PM
Where is the option for, "I have no idea?"

Yeah, at this point it seems way too early to judge one way or another.

jabrch
12-24-2008, 09:30 PM
He has earned the right to compete for it in Arizona...and that's exactly what he will do.

DumpJerry
12-24-2008, 10:10 PM
Getz has done absolutely nothing to earn the 2B job. He has not demonstrated that he can be a consistently productive player at the major league level. Depending on him as our starting-day 2B is madness: the kind of reckless gambling which would get any one of us dragged out of a casino by our loved ones.
He appeared in ten, yes one more than nine, one less than eleven, games. What the hell are you basing your outrageous proposition on? His 1.000 fielding percentage (no room for improvement there), his one strikeout in seven at-bats? The two runs he scored in seven at-bats (no walks)?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

TornLabrum
12-24-2008, 10:38 PM
He appeared in ten, yes one more than nine, one less than eleven, games. What the hell are you basing your outrageous proposition on? His 1.000 fielding percentage (no room for improvement there), his one strikeout in seven at-bats? The two runs he scored in seven at-bats (no walks)?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

He'll deserve it when he earns it, and he'll earn it when he deserves it.

He can earn it and deserve it by playing at the major league level, which he shouldn't do until he earns a shot at deserving it.

Is that clear?

SoxyStu
12-24-2008, 10:43 PM
No, but he deserves a shot at winning the 2nd base spot.

chunk
12-24-2008, 10:44 PM
He'll deserve it when he earns it, and he'll earn it when he deserves it.

He can earn it and deserve it by playing at the major league level, which he shouldn't do until he earns a shot at deserving it.

Is that clear?
That was needlessly condescending.

You speak in circles. What are you trying to say? That he earns a shot when he deserves a shot, but he only deserves a shot at deserving it? What does that mean. His play in the minors has earned him a shot at the spot.

Unless you were joking and I just couldn't keep up.

Now I think you were joking. I think he deserves a shot, it's too bad that we have so many question marks for next season. Too many for me to be comfortable.

I should lay off the eggnog.

eriqjaffe
12-24-2008, 10:46 PM
Getz has done absolutely nothing to earn the 2B job. He has not demonstrated that he can be a consistently productive player at the major league level. Depending on him as our starting-day 2B is madness: the kind of reckless gambling which would get any one of us dragged out of a casino by our loved ones.If you replaced "Getz" with "Alexei Ramirez", this post could be a full year old.

HomeFish
12-25-2008, 12:20 AM
If you replaced "Getz" with "Alexei Ramirez", this post could be a full year old.

Alexei earned his starting spot twice, first in ST, then during the season.

HomeFish
12-25-2008, 12:21 AM
He appeared in ten, yes one more than nine, one less than eleven, games. What the hell are you basing your outrageous proposition on? His 1.000 fielding percentage (no room for improvement there), his one strikeout in seven at-bats? The two runs he scored in seven at-bats (no walks)?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

My position is that he has not demonstrated the ability to play in the major leagues. You are correct in pointing out that 10 games is an insufficient amount of time to judge a player. All this does is back up my point.

WhiteSoxFan84
12-25-2008, 12:29 AM
He'll deserve it when he earns it, and he'll earn it when he deserves it.

He can earn it and deserve it by playing at the major league level, which he shouldn't do until he earns a shot at deserving it.

Is that clear?


http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2007/10/30/5JiUaAKi.jpg

"..... your what hurts??"

(and vote for Scott dammit! I don't know what he's running for these days but vote for him regardless)


By the way, I already have Chris Getz's Chris Berman nickname; Chris Getz'er Done! or Chris Getz "It Done". Unless he fails in the majors then he'll be known as Chris Getz "Demoted"...

btrain929
12-25-2008, 12:33 AM
My position is that he has not demonstrated the ability to play in the major leagues. You are correct in pointing out that 10 games is an insufficient amount of time to judge a player. All this does is back up my point.

So how does one demonstrate the ability to play in the major leagues without playing in the major leagues?

guillensdisciple
12-25-2008, 12:59 AM
If he is a contact hitter, absolutely, we need a consistent high on base low strike out hitter who can get the job done ala Ryan Theriot from the other team.

He would be a perfect two hitter if he actually does what people say he can do. Also he showed some spark while playing in limited time for the White Sox so why not?

Also Lillibridge would be perfect as a lead off if he hits the way he is supposed to, anyone know if he has any prior experience in the outfield?

HomeFish
12-25-2008, 02:25 AM
So how does one demonstrate the ability to play in the major leagues without playing in the major leagues?

Spring training, coming off the bench on the ML roster, filling in for a starter who is injured, platooning with a veteran, being given a couple of starts a week, etc.

There's a difference between all of these methods and with putting a complete rookie into the starting slot on opening day.

btrain929
12-25-2008, 02:38 AM
Spring training, coming off the bench on the ML roster, filling in for a starter who is injured, platooning with a veteran, being given a couple of starts a week, etc.

These are all things that can only be done in real major league games. And last year with Cabrera and Ramirez, and Uribe as the util, how would Getz have been able to do any of that?

Bottom line is Getz hasn't been given the opportunity to prove himself as of now, so he hasn't been able to show us what he can do. NOW he has that opportunity, plain and simple.

HomeFish
12-25-2008, 02:56 AM
These are all things that can only be done in real major league games. And last year with Cabrera and Ramirez, and Uribe as the util, how would Getz have been able to do any of that?

Bottom line is Getz hasn't been given the opportunity to prove himself as of now, so he hasn't been able to show us what he can do. NOW he has that opportunity, plain and simple.

My heart bleeds for Getz over the fact that he has never been able to prove himself. But that doesn't change the fact that he is an unproven commodity (even if it isn't his fault), and that plugging him in as starting 2B is a form of gambling.

Chrisaway
12-25-2008, 06:53 AM
What about Jayson Nix?

palehozenychicty
12-25-2008, 10:40 AM
Let him suit up, and may the best man win. His tools are what this team needs anyway, so let's see if he can do it.

cards press box
12-25-2008, 10:55 AM
Spring training, coming off the bench on the ML roster, filling in for a starter who is injured, platooning with a veteran, being given a couple of starts a week, etc.

There's a difference between all of these methods and with putting a complete rookie into the starting slot on opening day.

Performance in the minor leagues counts, too. In fact, minor league performance has traditionally been an accurate indicator of major league performance. If a guy can hit in the minors, he will likely hit in the majors once he "gets his feet wet."

Take, for example, Carlos Quentin. Quentin always hit well in the minors and eventually he had a break out season with the Sox. Chris Getz, Brent Lillibridge (and, for that matter, Jayson Nix) all are legitimate prospects and will compete for the 2B job.

Competition is good and assembling young talent is good. Fans are often concerned about the unknown but you cannot assemble a good, young team (like Tampa Bay) without doing what the Sox have done. The Sox have several young options at 3B, 2B, in the outfield and on the mound. They acquired a young, power hitting catcher in Tyler Flowers. The Sox are poised to go a good run with their young core of players.

As for 2009, I like the Sox' current mix of youth and veterans. And I don't think the Sox are done making moves, either.

soxfanreggie
12-25-2008, 11:48 AM
Give him a shot at the job, have him compete with Nix and whoever else we bring in for the job.

NLaloosh
12-25-2008, 04:49 PM
How is it even possible for ANYONE to deserve a starting job in the big leagues after 7 at bats?

Based on his solid minor league performances all the way through AAA he deserves a chance to make the team.

And, I have no idea how Getz's career will turn out. He could be nothing more than a utility guy or he could become an All-Star.

Lastly, I do feel much better about the 2B position for the Sox since they acquired Lillibridge. I really like him. I think he and Getz could make a really nice platoon and backup situation with Alexei and they will also push each other. I pretty much feel that there is no reason now to look for an upgrade at this position.

I'm looking forward to spring training and the development of these guys.

Dibbs
12-25-2008, 06:38 PM
Almost 40% vote he DESERVES the job. Wow. 2009 could be a long year.

spiffie
12-25-2008, 11:39 PM
Simple answer. If Kenny and Ozzie decide he is the 2B then he deserves it. If they don't, then he doesn't. Enough said.

WhiteSoxFan84
12-26-2008, 12:01 AM
Simple answer. If Kenny and Ozzie decide he is the 2B then he deserves it. If they don't, then he doesn't. Enough said.

Although that theory maybe true in this case, it is not always the... case. Say, for instance, Orlando Cabrera came back. If Getz doesn't start the season at 2B it doesn't mean it's because he didn't deserve it, it's probably because you can't pay OC $10mm to sit on the bench and Alexei is too good to be on the bench.

jabrch
12-26-2008, 09:37 AM
Did I miss something? Has anyone in any position to know anything say that Getz will be given the job? Or is this just a "what if?"?

There are a bunch of guys who will be competing for 2B and 3B. I don't think anyone is being given anything yet. Sure - Getz and Fields are the favorites standing over the first tee box, but there is a lot that will happen between today, and when OG fills in that first lineup card...and even then, a lot can happen that would change who is the starter.

I hope Getz comes out and earns the job. If he doesn't, I hope someone else does. It's really far to early to worry about it.

russ99
12-26-2008, 10:32 AM
I don't think it's a stretch for him to put up numbers a tick below Orlando Cabrera offensively of 2008. Let's say:

6-8HR's
35-50RBI
.270-.280AVG
.330-.350OBP
10-15SB's
Low K #'s
Good defense at 2B
Good speed on the basepaths

I don't think that's his ceiling, but I think those are realisitc #'s for his first year in the bigs. And for a guy making $350,000, I'll gladly take that. I think the only way he gets knocked from being the starting 2B is if he has a horrid spring training, combined with a complete 180 from Brent Lillibridge from his 2008. Lillibridge has more power, defense, and speed than Getz, but not the OBP and consistency that Chris has shown. It should be a fun battle.

Where's the "He has to earn it in Spring Training" option?

I don't see that, and I think that's a bit of overprojecting a Sox prospect's first season (as usual... :wink:) The kid just has had a cup of coffee in the bigs, so he'll need to go through rough spots and adjust to big league pitching like Alexei last year. I'd expect him in the 9 spot if he sticks and numbers more like:

1-2 HR's
24-40 RBI
.260-.275 AVG
.320-.340 OBP
5-10 SB's
Acceptable K #'s
Good defense at 2B
OK speed on the basepaths

But if he proves me wrong, that would be great for the Sox. Personally, I think Lillibridge has a much higher ceiling at 2B and could be a better answer at leadoff than Owens and Getz if given a shot. But that's Ozzie's call.

spawn
12-26-2008, 10:32 AM
Did I miss something? Has anyone in any position to know anything say that Getz will be given the job? Or is this just a "what if?"?

There are a bunch of guys who will be competing for 2B and 3B. I don't think anyone is being given anything yet. Sure - Getz and Fields are the favorites standing over the first tee box, but there is a lot that will happen between today, and when OG fills in that first lineup card...and even then, a lot can happen that would change who is the starter.

I hope Getz comes out and earns the job. If he doesn't, I hope someone else does. It's really far to early to worry about it.
Word. These off-season threads are really starting to border on the ridiculous.

Metalthrasher442
12-26-2008, 01:09 PM
Almost 40% vote he DESERVES the job. Wow. 2009 could be a long year.

In that case

Richard "could" win 20 games

Owens "could" bat .300 and "could" play in all 162 games

and the sox "could" win the world series
:)
But yeah the only thing Getz deserves is to compete and be considered for the job.

WhiteSox1989
12-27-2008, 02:31 AM
I think it's too early to tell. Simply put. Like someone else said you can't judge him based off of the minimum amount of time he got to play. I don't object to him competing for the job though. If he gets it, then I suppose someone who is much smarter than I thinks it's deserved.

Basically I just said what everyone else has said, hahaa.

Sam Spade
12-28-2008, 04:55 PM
Almost 40% vote he DESERVES the job. Wow. 2009 could be a long year.
Actually, its about 18%. You have to count the people who say they don't know.

Shoeless
12-28-2008, 11:28 PM
is there a "Who am I to make that decision?" option? If so, I'll take that.