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Sockinchisox
12-12-2008, 04:00 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8932446/Sources:-Yanks,-Burnett-reach-5-year,-$82.5M-deal?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49

5 yrs, 82.5 mil.

DaveFeelsRight
12-12-2008, 04:00 PM
5 years? too much

Tekijawa
12-12-2008, 04:03 PM
They now have 39.5 Million a year that will spend a majority of the season on the DL... CC was over used last year and will pay for it this year. Burnett, when not playing for a contract the next season, has barely cracked the 20 Game mark.

turners56
12-12-2008, 04:03 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8932446/Sources:-Yanks,-Burnett-reach-5-year,-$82.5M-deal?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49

5 yrs, 82.5 mil.

The Yankees are definitely benefiting from the crappy economy situation. They're never out of money so they can nab whoever they want basically.

DaveFeelsRight
12-12-2008, 04:05 PM
one of the comments from the espn article:

"Yankees: $518.5 Million guranteed to 2 pitchers and 1 hitter. This is just sick!"

whos the 1 hitter?

btrain929
12-12-2008, 04:06 PM
one of the comments from the espn article:

"Yankees: $518.5 Million guranteed to 2 pitchers and 1 hitter. This is just sick!"

whos the 1 hitter?

Arod, duh.

Lorenzo Barcelo
12-12-2008, 04:10 PM
Arod, duh.

Probably thought the 1 hitter was one to be signed in the future.

CashMan
12-12-2008, 04:15 PM
Did they not learn the year they signed, Pavano/Wright?

illini81887
12-12-2008, 04:19 PM
Did they not learn the year they signed, Pavano/Wright?
These two are way better than those bums

tstrike2000
12-12-2008, 04:27 PM
They now have 39.5 Million a year that will spend a majority of the season on the DL... CC was over used last year and will pay for it this year. Burnett, when not playing for a contract the next season, has barely cracked the 20 Game mark.

That pretty much sums it up. I'll be surprised if AJ is even still pitching in 5 years.

BadBobbyJenks
12-12-2008, 04:28 PM
C.C was a great signing that may not look so great 5 years from now, but he is not all of a sudden just going to get hurt.

twsoxfan5
12-12-2008, 04:29 PM
If this does not point to need for a salary cap then I don't know what does. The MLB is really starting to make me sick.

CashMan
12-12-2008, 04:30 PM
These two are way better than those bums

I would not of touched Burnett. You know he was pitching for a contract this past year. Was he playing through pain? Will he get hurt again? He is going to be 32 IIRC, and has had a history of arm problems.

BadBobbyJenks
12-12-2008, 04:31 PM
If this does not point to need for a salary cap then I don't know what does. The MLB is really starting to make me sick.

Ah yes because of all these championships the Yanks have won this decade.

BleacherBandit
12-12-2008, 04:33 PM
If this does not point to need for a salary cap then I don't know what does. The MLB is really starting to make me sick.

That's why I love the Tampa Bay Rays. May the Yankees suck on karma for a second year in a row.

cards press box
12-12-2008, 04:36 PM
They now have 39.5 Million a year that will spend a majority of the season on the DL... CC was over used last year and will pay for it this year. Burnett, when not playing for a contract the next season, has barely cracked the 20 Game mark.

Agreed. Both pitchers have longeivity and injury warning signs all over them. This could be a poll -- are the Yankees: (a) run by people who, as small children, cried hysterically if they did not get every single damn toy in the sandbox, (b) are determined to blow up the salary structure of major league baseball, (c) are bad for competitive balance, (d) are nuts, (e) should be contracted or (f) all of the above.

I vote for (f). Come to think of it, this really should be a poll.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8932446/Sources:-Yanks,-Burnett-reach-5-year,-$82.5M-deal?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49 (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8932446/Sources:-Yanks,-Burnett-reach-5-year,-$82.5M-deal?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49)

5 yrs, 82.5 mil.

For the good of baseball, I have to hope these signings blow up on the Yankees.

cbrownson13
12-12-2008, 04:49 PM
The CC signing won't haunt them. At least right away. The guy is a horse. Burnett is another story, however. Five years is way too long for a guy with a history of medical problems. I don't have a problem with the money. If you can spend it, spend it. Although, I think he would be much more valuable for a NL team. The AL East is a tough division to live up to a big contract.

FloridaTigers
12-12-2008, 05:19 PM
What happened to the Yank's new philosophy of building within and not spending money on injury prone free agents? :scratch:

Marqhead
12-12-2008, 05:30 PM
Prediction: The Yankess will not make the playoffs in 2009 or 2010.

Lip Man 1
12-12-2008, 05:45 PM
The Yankees do this in part because their fans demand it.

Just listen to the comments management makes... almost every single time you hear a reference to the fans wanting it, or the fans desire to win or it's good for the city etc.

Again I'm reminded of Hal's (Torn Labrum's) comments about White Sox fans and the title in 2005 but I'll let him repeat those when he reads this thread.

They'll probably sign Lowe too and you can put them down for another 95 wins.

Man that must be nice to know that, barring a meltdown of biblical proportions, or an absolute slew of injuries, that you are going to win 90, at a minimum, and have a legit shot for the post season and the World Series.

They never heard of the word "rebuilding". (I wish the White Sox didn't...)

Lip

BadBobbyJenks
12-12-2008, 05:58 PM
Man that must be nice to know that, barring a meltdown of biblical proportions, or an absolute slew of injuries, that you are going to win 90, at a minimum, and have a legit shot for the post season and the World Series.



Sounds like what everyone said about the Tiggers last year...

Dibbs
12-12-2008, 06:00 PM
This is really a bad signing. He has won more than 12 games only once in his career. No way he stays healthy.

thomas35forever
12-12-2008, 06:32 PM
Too long and too much money. Will the Yank-me spending never end?

balke
12-12-2008, 06:46 PM
... as Burnett goes on the DL 16 more times over the next 5 years.

Dick Allen
12-12-2008, 06:52 PM
**** the Yankees. And the Mets, Red Sox, Cubs, and ESPN.

CashMan
12-12-2008, 06:57 PM
**** the Yankees. And the Mets, Red Sox, Cubs, and ESPN.


You forgot Manny.

LoveYourSuit
12-12-2008, 08:02 PM
This thread is comical.

I hate the Yankees and Red Sox but the childish jelousy here is a bit extreme.

Yankees are getting things done, period.

As I predicted on a different thread, the Rays will never sniff the playoffs ahead of the Yankees or Red Sox, EVER. Save the tape. Same way Munch makes his BOLD predictions, put this one right next to it. And I will stand by it.

"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." Yankees and Red Sox will be putting this division in their pocket before the first pitch is even thrown.

CashMan
12-12-2008, 08:24 PM
This thread is comical.

I hate the Yankees and Red Sox but the childish jelousy here is a bit extreme.

Yankees are getting things done, period.

As I predicted on a different thread, the Rays will never sniff the playoffs ahead of the Yankees or Red Sox, EVER. Save the tape. Same way Munch makes his BOLD predictions, put this one right next to it. And I will stand by it.

"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." Yankees and Red Sox will be putting this division in their pocket before the first pitch is even thrown.

CC was a good signing. Is he going to dominate like he did against a weak NL? No. I predict(say it like you mean it) I predict, CC will go 15-10 and have an ERA of 4.30. Wasn't it when the Yankees acquired Randy Johnson, people were handing them the WS?

Brian26
12-12-2008, 08:47 PM
CC will probably be a good signing, but Burnett has potential to be Kevin Brown all over again. Got to play the games though...

drewcifer
12-12-2008, 08:52 PM
Stupid move by the Yanks. Total waste of $, as per usual.

They should've kept Pettite.

cards press box
12-12-2008, 08:56 PM
This thread is comical.

I hate the Yankees and Red Sox but the childish jelousy here is a bit extreme.

Yankees are getting things done, period.

Charcterizing this thread as "childish jealousy" is completely unfair. This is not about jealousy. I don't like the competetive imbalance that gives the Yankees such an unfair advantage but I wouldn't like to see any team have that advantage. It's bad for the sport.

MLB is not the NFL where the teams have determined an equitable way to share broadcasting revenue. The NY Giants do not have a profoundly unfair financial advantage over the Green Bay Packers because they equally share boradcasting revenue that the NFL receives. Isn't that the way it should be?

Think about it -- the Yankees can schedule a homestand in the Bronx but they have no damn homestand unless Kansas City, Detroit and Cleveland visit Yankee Stadium to play. Why should revenue paid to broadcast the game itself only subsidize the efforts of one of the teams to put a roster together?

I've spoken to Yankee fans about this and they uniformly say that it's a free country and the Yankees should be able to spend their money any way they want. The argument, however, is specious because MLB is not a free industry. Baseball is exempt from the nation's antitrust laws and, consequently, does not have a free market.

What if Kansas City (or Tampa Bay or Minnesota) says "we can't compete with the media revenue stream in our market so we want to move -- to Northern New Jersey where we share the New York market with the Yanks and the Mets? The Yankees would naturally object, citing territorial control of the New York market. It seems that the Yankees are hyper-capitalists when that serves its purpose and, in the next minute, are hyper-socialists when that serves its purpose. What kind of financial advantage would the Yankees have if three or four or five teams played in New York? New York historically had three teams and, in a capitalist system, shouldn't the market determine how many teams New York can support?

So, no the Yankees are not simply "getting things done." They are ruthlessly exploiting a flaw in baseball's revenue stream that lessens competitive balance and makes the cost of going to ballgames more expensive.

The Yanks have prompted reform in the past. Before 1965, MLB did not have an amateur draft and, of course, the Yanks exploited that, too, once again to the deteriment of MLB. Take a look at baseball in the '50's. Attendance was way down and franchise were highly unstable financially. Many factors caused this (including the rise of the suburbs and the economic decline of some cities, like Brooklyn) but competitive imbalance was one of them.

The Yankees exemplify what is completely wrong about the way MLB handles revenue issues. The Steinbrenner Yankees could lose every damn game next year and that wouldn't be enough for me.

The Yankees do this in part because their fans demand it.

Just listen to the comments management makes... almost every single time you hear a reference to the fans wanting it, or the fans desire to win or it's good for the city etc.

Again I'm reminded of Hal's (Torn Labrum's) comments about White Sox fans and the title in 2005 but I'll let him repeat those when he reads this thread.

They'll probably sign Lowe too and you can put them down for another 95 wins.

Man that must be nice to know that, barring a meltdown of biblical proportions, or an absolute slew of injuries, that you are going to win 90, at a minimum, and have a legit shot for the post season and the World Series.

They never heard of the word "rebuilding". (I wish the White Sox didn't...)

Lip

But, Lip, this isn't about effort or determination. The Chicago media market cannot hold a candle to New York in terms of size. I don't think the Steinbrenners would be so determined or free-spending if they owned the K.C. Royals.

jabrch
12-12-2008, 09:57 PM
The Yankees do this in part because their fans demand it.

Just listen to the comments management makes... almost every single time you hear a reference to the fans wanting it, or the fans desire to win or it's good for the city etc.

Again I'm reminded of Hal's (Torn Labrum's) comments about White Sox fans and the title in 2005 but I'll let him repeat those when he reads this thread.

They'll probably sign Lowe too and you can put them down for another 95 wins.

Man that must be nice to know that, barring a meltdown of biblical proportions, or an absolute slew of injuries, that you are going to win 90, at a minimum, and have a legit shot for the post season and the World Series.

They never heard of the word "rebuilding". (I wish the White Sox didn't...)

Lip


When we put 4,250,000 through the gates at an average price of 37 per ticket, when we have people paying 500-2500 a game for "premium" tickets, when we generate the same TV revenue, etc. etc. as the Yanks do, and then management doesn't spend the money, you can explain it by saying "the fans demand it.". But in the real world, the Yankees spend that type of money because... THEIR REVENUE SUPPORTS IT.

They have sold 4.25mm tickets every year for a long time at a steep ticket price. Their fans don't demand it. They PAY for it. It's one thing to want. Sox fans do want. But Yankee fans PAY.

jabrch
12-12-2008, 09:58 PM
Prediction: The Yankess will not make the playoffs in 2009 or 2010.

I'll take that bet - and give you TREMENDOUS odds.

soxfanreggie
12-12-2008, 10:03 PM
Yanks seem to have bought their way back into playoff contention in the matter of a few days; however, their history of overpaid players underperforming/getting injured could haunt them on these signings.

I don't care if they spend all this money, as long as it's the Sox on top and they make their luxury tax payments.

Bucky F. Dent
12-12-2008, 10:04 PM
All that to compete for a wild card spot.

Crazy!

Lip Man 1
12-12-2008, 10:57 PM
Bad:

The Yankees have made the post season in what 14 of 15 years? I'll take that gladly, thank you very much.

Jab:


Well let's see, the Sox have drawn around 2.5 million or more three straight years. That's not exactly chopped liver is it?

Yet the payroll (at least right now) is going down. Hmmmmmm.......

I guess drawing around 7.2 million (give or take) for the past three years isn't enough.

[B)
[/B]Shame on you Sox fans for not supporting your team in a style that ownership wants!!!!!!!!!!

No one is expecting a Yankee-type payroll. To me though it doesn't appear the Sox are doing as much as they can be. ESPECIALLY now. Although again that could change before February. We'll see. And again in case you missed it, I don't know anyone on the board of directors. I have interviewed people who DO though and they all tell me the same thing, "the Sox haven't lost money in a long time..."


Lip

Noneck
12-12-2008, 11:21 PM
I have interviewed people who DO though and they all tell me the same thing, "the Sox haven't lost money in a long time..."


Lip

And they are making sure that this doesn't happen this year, no shock to me.

CubKilla
12-13-2008, 12:13 AM
I'm gonna laugh HARD when both saFAThia and Burnett are both on the DL

thedudeabides
12-13-2008, 12:33 AM
Bad:

The Yankees have made the post season in what 14 of 15 years? I'll take that gladly, thank you very much.

Jab:


Well let's see, the Sox have drawn around 2.5 million or more three straight years. That's not exactly chopped liver is it?

Yet the payroll (at least right now) is going down. Hmmmmmm.......

I guess drawing around 7.2 million (give or take) for the past three years isn't enough.

[B)
[/b]Shame on you Sox fans for not supporting your team in a style that ownership wants!!!!!!!!!!

No one is expecting a Yankee-type payroll. To me though it doesn't appear the Sox are doing as much as they can be. ESPECIALLY now. Although again that could change before February. We'll see. And again in case you missed it, I don't know anyone on the board of directors. I have interviewed people who DO though and they all tell me the same thing, "the Sox haven't lost money in a long time..."


Lip

Lip,

Would you agree that the Sox have spent accordingly since the gate has been raised? Or do you believe they are pocketing more money than they are leading on?

sullythered
12-13-2008, 02:53 AM
I didn't read this whole thread, and I'm sure this has been covered, but 5 years at a large amount of money is INSANE for a 31 year old guy who has been healthy for only 2 of the last 5 seasons.

CC was a good signing, he is a horse. This one absolutely screams Carl Pavano.

sullythered
12-13-2008, 02:59 AM
This thread is comical.

I hate the Yankees and Red Sox but the childish jelousy here is a bit extreme.

Yankees are getting things done, period.

As I predicted on a different thread, the Rays will never sniff the playoffs ahead of the Yankees or Red Sox, EVER. Save the tape. Same way Munch makes his BOLD predictions, put this one right next to it. And I will stand by it.

"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." Yankees and Red Sox will be putting this division in their pocket before the first pitch is even thrown.
OK I went back and read it.

Hey munch makes bold WRONG predictions. "Derrick Rose will suck in the pros, DLS is a hall of famer, Gavin Floyd is done..." so I wouldn't be hanging my hat on that.

Also, you may want to go back and edit your post to include the word "again" after the "EVER." They sniffed the hell out of it a few months ago. And sniffed the ****ing Sawx right out back to Boston.

And jealousy has nothing to do with recognizing a foolish signing when we see one.

thedudeabides
12-13-2008, 07:49 AM
OK I went back and read it.

Hey munch makes bold WRONG predictions. "Derrick Rose will suck in the pros, DLS is a hall of famer, Gavin Floyd is done..." so I wouldn't be hanging my hat on that.

Also, you may want to go back and edit your post to include the word "again" after the "EVER." They sniffed the hell out of it a few months ago. And sniffed the ****ing Sawx right out back to Boston.

And jealousy has nothing to do with recognizing a foolish signing when we see one.

If you are a Bulls fan. Munch says Rose is the biggest bust that ever happened. It's kind of a running joke here. The rest of us are loviing seeing Rose. The rest of the offense we leave to the coach?

areilly
12-13-2008, 09:56 AM
I'm gonna laugh HARD when both saFAThia and Burnett are both on the DL

More like BUMnett!

:rolleyes:

LoveYourSuit
12-13-2008, 10:42 AM
And jealousy has nothing to do with recognizing a foolish signing when we see one.


Every move the Sox make = "Gold" according to WSI. There were actually a few posts of excitement for the Betemit signning and also for Wise.

Any move made by the other 29 teams = "bad, dumb, foolish, over-paid, it will haunt them."

Why do I have the feeling had we signed AJ to this contract, the comapny voices here would have found a way to spin this in a positive way and justified the contract? The same folks who less than two weeks ago were jumping for joy at the youth movement and the Sox saving money. The same folks excited at the prospect of having Marquez and Richard as your #4 and #5 starters .

Paulwny
12-13-2008, 11:13 AM
Ah yes because of all these championships the Yanks have won this decade.

What happened to the Yank's new philosophy of building within and not spending money on injury prone free agents? :scratch:


Cashman sold the youth movement to Hank Steinbrenner. Up until this yr the yanks had appeared in 13 consecutive play-offs, they went with Cashman and his young arms and it failed.
Steinbrenner has returned to the old thinking, $$$=FA's=Playoffs.

Lip Man 1
12-13-2008, 01:28 PM
Dude:

Wow that's really hard to say.

My gut is telling me that they have the capacity to do more. Especially the past two years where MLB's revenue has exploded according to Proud To Be Your Bud and the new and varied revenue streams that have been established.

Again just my opinion, but I think the Sox are making more out of this "economic doom" scenario then reality will show.

When times get tough (and things are tough right now) one of the few things people do is go to sports events as an escape IF the team is winning.

What would concern me more is the fact that attendance has dropped every year since the high water mark of 2006. I think that's because the Sox fell on their face in 2007 when fans were expecting a continuation of 2005 and 2006. (Although the Sox still have drawn very well the past three seasons)

That plus the "retrenchment" or 'rebuilding" or whatever word you wish to use about this off season (so far) I think is going to make the attendance concern by the organization a self-fulfilling prophecy. Fans are going to be skeptical and if the club gets off to a poor start, they are going to stay away.

Again these comments are just my opinion although again I go back to what I've been told by individuals who do know members of the Sox board of directors.

Lip

sullythered
12-13-2008, 01:54 PM
Every move the Sox make = "Gold" according to WSI. There were actually a few posts of excitement for the Betemit signning and also for Wise.

Any move made by the other 29 teams = "bad, dumb, foolish, over-paid, it will haunt them."

Why do I have the feeling had we signed AJ to this contract, the comapny voices here would have found a way to spin this in a positive way and justified the contract? The same folks who less than two weeks ago were jumping for joy at the youth movement and the Sox saving money. The same folks excited at the prospect of having Marquez and Richard as your #4 and #5 starters .
Except I said, in the same post, that the CC signing was a good one. This one was a stupid signing. Not because the Yankees are "one of the other 29 teams," just because it was stupid.

I had no interest in the Sox pursuing this dude, and am amazed every time a team can't wait to throw money at him with both hands. 87-76 at 31 years old is not very impressive. He is damaged goods.

BadBobbyJenks
12-13-2008, 01:58 PM
Cashman sold the youth movement to Hank Steinbrenner. Up until this yr the yanks had appeared in 13 consecutive play-offs, they went with Cashman and his young arms and it failed.
Steinbrenner has returned to the old thinking, $$$=FA's=Playoffs.

And what won championships for the Yankees? Developing great players.

NewYawk718
12-13-2008, 01:59 PM
Cashman sold the youth movement to Hank Steinbrenner. Up until this yr the yanks had appeared in 13 consecutive play-offs, they went with Cashman and his young arms and it failed.
Steinbrenner has returned to the old thinking, $$$=FA's=Playoffs.



See this shows me you're an uninformed baseball fan because

Ian Kennedy, Hughes, Joba, Alan Horne, Andrew Brackman, Mark Melancon, Dellin Betances, Krontos, are all still with the yankees...they are good pitching prospects.


Cashman wants to still get big money players but not when it will cost big time prospects unless the players he's acquiring are cost controlled ala Xavier Nady and to an extent..Damaso Marte.

The old yankees would have done the Johan Trade...would have traded all their prospects for aging veterans.

Do i agree with burnett? No..but every Gm makes mistakes.

C.C. is a great signing.. he is 28..not old by any means, if he gets hurt than so be it.


As it stands the Yankees Rotation will most likely be 1. C.C. 28 2. Wang 28 3. Pettite 36 4. Burnett 32 5. Joba Chamberlain 24... This is a huge difference from the usual mid 30's rotation people have been accustomed to in the previous yankee teams.

getonbckthr
12-13-2008, 02:17 PM
Man all this uproar over CC and AJ? What are you guys gonna do when they sign Hudson and Lowe then trade Kennedy, Cano and Hughes for Peavy?

Paulwny
12-13-2008, 02:43 PM
And what won championships for the Yankees? Developing great players.


I can think of 3, Posada, Jeter and Pettite.
They alone don't win championships.

FarmerAndy
12-13-2008, 02:45 PM
I hate it when people whine and cry about the Yankees spending.

One thing that is often overlooked is the fact that often times the Yankees have to spend more money. I think the Burnett contract is awful. But if the Yankees don't make that ridiculous offer, he's pitching somewhere else. It was pretty obvious that Sabathia would've rather gone somewhere else. The Yankees offer was already far greater than anyone else's, and he was still holding out to go somewhere else. The Yanks had to outbid their own high bid just to rope him.

1. Some players simply don't want to play in New York. So it takes a big payday to convince them to go. For the same amount of money, most players would rather play out in Los Angeles than in New York. So NY has to pony up.

2. Most star players (and their agents) know that the Yankees have the biggest checkbook, so they aren't going to let them off easy. Nobody is going to go work at the Hilton for the same wage they will get paid at the Travelodge.

I'm well aware of the fact that most of this was created by the Yankees..... they made their own bed. But it is a fact that they do have to pay more for talent than a lot of other clubs. And, as many others have pointed out, their spending has not won them a World Series in quite some time. So stop bellyaching that Yankee spending is hurting baseball.

I think teams that do nothing and cry poor hurt baseball far worse.

Paulwny
12-13-2008, 02:47 PM
See this shows me you're an uninformed baseball fan because

Ian Kennedy, Hughes, Joba, Alan Horne, Andrew Brackman, Mark Melancon, Dellin Betances, Krontos, are all still with the yankees...they are good pitching prospects.


Cashman wants to still get big money players but not when it will cost big time prospects unless the players he's acquiring are cost controlled ala Xavier Nady and to an extent..Damaso Marte.

The old yankees would have done the Johan Trade...would have traded all their prospects for aging veterans.

Do i agree with burnett? No..but every Gm makes mistakes.

C.C. is a great signing.. he is 28..not old by any means, if he gets hurt than so be it.


As it stands the Yankees Rotation will most likely be 1. C.C. 28 2. Wang 28 3. Pettite 36 4. Burnett 32 5. Joba Chamberlain 24... This is a huge difference from the usual mid 30's rotation people have been accustomed to in the previous yankee teams.


Steinbrenner let Cashman have his one year of youth movement , it failed.
Get a clue, the Steinbrenners have always and will always believe in FA's to fix holes, if they don't have an option in the minors, and get them to the play-offs.
Death, taxes and the yanks spend money.

Paulwny
12-13-2008, 03:34 PM
[quote=NewYawk718;2120589]
Ian Kennedy, Hughes, Joba, Alan Horne, Andrew Brackman, Mark Melancon, Dellin Betances, Krontos, are all still with the yankees...they are good pitching prospects.quote]

And their one time minor league "can't miss kid", Melky Cabrera , was traded for Mike Cameron, a veteran.

areilly
12-13-2008, 04:23 PM
I can think of 3, Posada, Jeter and Pettite.
They alone don't win championships.

You forgot Mariano Rivera and Bernie Williams. That's a pretty solid group to have developed internally, and having all of them certainly didn't hurt the Yankees' chances.

Paulwny
12-13-2008, 06:03 PM
You forgot Mariano Rivera and Bernie Williams. That's a pretty solid group to have developed internally, and having all of them certainly didn't hurt the Yankees' chances.


They came from the islands and went to the highest bidders, they never were in any drafts.
The Phillies and Pirates offered Williams contracts , but as usual the yankee $$$ won out.
Thanks for playing.

rdivaldi
12-13-2008, 06:28 PM
Come on guys let's get real with this signing. It's a terrible signing of an underachieving, injury prone vet who had a big year for free agency. I'm not happy with the Sox offseason to date, but if they had shelled out big bucks for this guy I would have been just as disappointed. Looks like another underachieving, overpaid Yankee team in 2009.

areilly
12-13-2008, 07:12 PM
They came from the islands and went to the highest bidders, they never were in any drafts.
The Phillies and Pirates offered Williams contracts , but as usual the yankee $$$ won out.
Thanks for playing.

I don't see that as somehow taking away the fact that the Yankees developed them into Major League players, especially considering the four seasons Rivera spent in the Yankee farm system. No different than what the Sox did with Alexei this year, and I don't think anyone would consider him some kind of fraudulent acquisition.


Side note: Mariano Rivera hails from Panama, which is not an island. Thanks for playing.

Paulwny
12-13-2008, 07:15 PM
I don't see that as somehow taking away the fact that the Yankees developed them into Major League players, especially considering the four seasons Rivera spent in the Yankee farm system. No different than what the Sox did with Alexei this year, and I don't think anyone would consider him some kind of fraudulent acquisition.


Side note: Mariano Rivera hails from Panama, which is not an island. Thanks for playing.

Call it what you want these guys were basically free agents and went to the highest bidder, NY.

FedEx227
12-13-2008, 08:23 PM
I can think of 3, Posada, Jeter and Pettite.
They alone don't win championships.

Bernie Williams ring a bell? Edit: Ah I see you responded, alright.

But seriously though, these signings are not all that smart in my mind. The CC one was alright, but did they really have to go $60 mill. over the next closest offer, that sets a terrible bar for other teams looking to acquire pitchers, ditto for Burnett.

rdivaldi
12-13-2008, 08:58 PM
Call it what you want these guys were basically free agents and went to the highest bidder, NY.

Exactly, and their fans are going to regret it.

cards press box
12-14-2008, 01:31 AM
I hate it when people whine and cry about the Yankees spending.

One thing that is often overlooked is the fact that often times the Yankees have to spend more money. I think the Burnett contract is awful. But if the Yankees don't make that ridiculous offer, he's pitching somewhere else..

Enough already, this is not about crying and whining. The White Sox have a large enough budget to do just fine, as they have in the Williams era. For crying out loud, they won the World Series three years ago and made the playoffs last year. I'm not concerned about the Sox; they will be fine. The Sox' infusion of youth is not only smart economics but it's good baseball, too. The key to winning is a balanced ball club and old, free agent laden ball clubs are rarely balanced.

My beef with the Yankees is the fact they will consistently have a payroll that 5 to 6 times the payrolls of small market teams. That hurts attendance and interest in those teams and that's bad for baseball.

The Steinbrenners' hyper-spending doesn't guarantee championships. It only guarantees that: (a) we'll all pay more to go to the ballpark and (b) competitive balance will be hard to maintain for the genuinely small markets in places like Kansas City and Cincinnati. Because players do not hit free agency until they've played in six full seasons, the Yankees' hyper-spending naturally leads to old teams. This Yankee team will be older than ever and simply not as good as either Tampa Bay or Boston.

I think teams that do nothing and cry poor hurt baseball far worse.

This is baloney, too. In either 2007 or 2008, the two teams who spent the largest percentage of their revenue on payroll were the Chicago White Sox and the Washington Nationals. On WSCR this morning, Kenny Williams said that this is still true for the White Sox.

Teams other than the Yankees are not crying poor. They just don't have media revenue based upon of the stupid system that MLB currently employs.

One more thing -- people seem to think that pro football always shared media revenue equally. Not so. The teams intitally controlled the tv and radio rights within given geographic markets. It was visionary commissioner Pete Rozelle who saw unlimited opportunity for the NFL if the league could secure lucrative tv contracts which the teams shared equally. Of course, this plan needed the blessing of the lions of the NFL, George Halas (owner of the Bears) and Wellington Mara (owner of the N.Y. Giants).

If George Steinbrenner (and not Wellington Mara) owned the N.Y. Giants in the late '50's, the NFL would not be what it is today. But Mara truly was a giant and did what was best for the sport. The Steinbrenners? They're the true crying babies who don't give a damn about the good of the game but only their greedy and grubby self-interest.


As it stands the Yankees Rotation will most likely be 1. C.C. 28 2. Wang 28 3. Pettite 36 4. Burnett 32 5. Joba Chamberlain 24

1. Under 30 but already over 300 lbs and likely to get bigger. 2. Coming off a major injury; we'll see. 3. Still O.K. but on the downside; don't think he is signed yet, anyway. 4, A major injury waiting to happen. 5. Who knows?

For the good of the game, I certainly hope that the Steinbrenners are baseball's answer to Wile E. Coyote and their profligate spending, like the latest ACME product, blows up in their face.

NewYawk718
12-14-2008, 04:57 AM
So Paulwny

The Yankees keep all their young prospects and don't trade them but yet they're the same ol' yankees who traded Juan Rivera, Mike Lowell, Bob Wickman, russ davis, sterling hitchcock, tony armas jr, jake westbrook, dioneer navarro, willy mo pena, damaso Marte (yes before we re-aquired him), ted lilly, NICK JOhnson etc..

yes you're a stupid poster.


The yankees refused the johan trade because they rather pay and sign free agents than trade away prospects. Also they use to spend their money mostly on position players, well now we're focused on pitching and this time it's all on cashman. Hopefully this is better Than Wright/Pavano

NewYawk718
12-14-2008, 04:59 AM
And their one time minor league "can't miss kid", Melky Cabrera , was traded for Mike Cameron, a veteran.


He was never a can't miss..melkys was simply a number one prospect in our farm system which at the time was weak. Describing Melkys as a can't miss is the same as describing Kip Wells/Jeff Liefer as a can't miss during those years where the sox system was weak.


Our true most ready can't miss positional prospect is Of Austin Jackson..he will most likely not be traded unless we receive a young superstar in return i.e. Pujols

cards press box
12-14-2008, 10:18 AM
So Paulwny

The Yankees keep all their young prospects and don't trade them but yet they're the same ol' yankees who traded . . . Bob Wickman

Bob Wickman came up in the White Sox system and was a White Sox prospect. The Sox traded him to the Yankees as part of the Steve Sax trade.

Paulwny
12-14-2008, 03:24 PM
So Paulwny

The Yankees keep all their young prospects and don't trade them but yet they're the same ol' yankees who traded Juan Rivera, Mike Lowell, Bob Wickman, russ davis, sterling hitchcock, tony armas jr, jake westbrook, dioneer navarro, willy mo pena, damaso Marte (yes before we re-aquired him), ted lilly, NICK JOhnson etc..

yes you're a stupid poster.


The yankees refused the johan trade because they rather pay and sign free agents than trade away prospects. Also they use to spend their money mostly on position players, well now we're focused on pitching and this time it's all on cashman. Hopefully this is better Than Wright/Pavano



It's the return of same old yankmees, spend, spend, spend, and at the trading deadline the minor league players will be available to trade for vets for the pennant drive.
It's been their history up until last year, when Cashman thought the young arms were ready, he failed and the yankmees failed with an ~ $220 mil payroll.
The yankmees were the joke of MLB last year and hopefully we can all laugh at them for years to come.

MiamiSpartan
12-19-2008, 07:11 AM
He'll spend most of the 5 years on the DL.....

Madscout
12-19-2008, 09:27 AM
So Paulwny

The Yankees keep all their young prospects and don't trade them but yet they're the same ol' yankees who traded Juan Rivera, Mike Lowell, Bob Wickman, russ davis, sterling hitchcock, tony armas jr, jake westbrook, dioneer navarro, willy mo pena, damaso Marte (yes before we re-aquired him), ted lilly, NICK JOhnson etc..

yes you're a stupid poster.


The yankees refused the johan trade because they rather pay and sign free agents than trade away prospects. Also they use to spend their money mostly on position players, well now we're focused on pitching and this time it's all on cashman. Hopefully this is better Than Wright/Pavano
First off, it isn't going to take one year to rebuild your pitching, it is going to take several years of good scouting/smart signings to do that, and you don't have a history of good signings, or at least not in the past few years. Meanwhile, the Sawks have been upgrading their pitching yearly, and the Rays have a young staff that is coming around. Don't expect them to away. You saying, "Oh, yeah, we are going for pitching now" isn't going to change the fact that your bullpen sucks (other than Rivera, and who knows how many years he has left) and that your rotation was a joke, and that you have no team philosophy on pitching.

BadBobbyJenks
12-19-2008, 11:36 AM
First off, it isn't going to take one year to rebuild your pitching, it is going to take several years of good scouting/smart signings to do that, and you don't have a history of good signings, or at least not in the past few years. Meanwhile, the Sawks have been upgrading their pitching yearly, and the Rays have a young staff that is coming around. Don't expect them to away. You saying, "Oh, yeah, we are going for pitching now" isn't going to change the fact that your bullpen sucks (other than Rivera, and who knows how many years he has left) and that your rotation was a joke, and that you have no team philosophy on pitching.

C.C, Burnett, Wang, Joba, Hughes/Pettite. Id say their pitching has been rebuilt in one month.