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WhiteSoxFan84
12-09-2008, 07:27 PM
What's the word on him? His agent is passing out his medical report so that's a positive. He hasn't received an offer yet and he is open to leaving Atlanta. Why not give him a 1-year deal with very little guaranteed and that is backed by incentives?
1-year, $3 mill: give him an additional $500k per 50 IP and an additional $100k per win.
so if he goes 10-8, starts 25 games, throws 150 innings, we'll pay him 5.5 mill. as long as his era is around 4.50 (which i think we can assume is very possible), he will be worth it.

Or will he be out for way too long to even consider this guy as a 1-year option?

soltrain21
12-09-2008, 07:30 PM
This is the best "name with question mark" we have ever had.

WhiteSoxFan84
12-09-2008, 07:32 PM
This is the best "name with question mark" we have ever had.

why thank you!
i swear i was thinking of making the title "john smoltz? are you in here?" lol

DSpivack
12-09-2008, 07:48 PM
This is the best "name with question mark" we have ever had.

That I agree, but I'd like to see him remain with the Braves or retire.

BadBobbyJenks
12-09-2008, 07:52 PM
That I agree, but I'd like to see him remain with the Braves or retire.

I would like to see the trio of Maddux, Smoltz and Glavine all enter Cooperstown together.

Zisk77
12-09-2008, 08:30 PM
I would like to see the trio of Maddux, Smoltz and Glavine all enter Cooperstown together.


Lets sign all three, then they can all wear a sox cap upon enshrinement.:redneck

sunofgold
12-09-2008, 08:45 PM
Seems like Braves will probably match any offer. However, we can raise the price that they have to pay. hahaha!

If would be a little risky, but Smoltz knows how to pitch and could only help some of our young pitchers.

If he is available, I would probably take that risk.

SoxFan88
12-10-2008, 01:04 AM
What's the word on him? His agent is passing out his medical report so that's a positive. He hasn't received an offer yet and he is open to leaving Atlanta. Why not give him a 1-year deal with very little guaranteed and that is backed by incentives?
1-year, $3 mill: give him an additional $500k per 50 IP and an additional $100k per win.
so if he goes 10-8, starts 25 games, throws 150 innings, we'll pay him 5.5 mill. as long as his era is around 4.50 (which i think we can assume is very possible), he will be worth it.

Or will he be out for way too long to even consider this guy as a 1-year option?



He is already throwing off the mound....
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081205&content_id=3704156&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl

I've been pushing for Sheets (thinking Smoltz was not going to be back till late) but if Smoltz continues to improve quickly I wouldn't mind Kenny taking a risk on him.... the Braves didn't offer arbitration so we wouldn't lose picks

forrestg
12-10-2008, 02:02 AM
from that article I would not be positive on his prognosis. If he continued to improve that would be great. I think a minor league contract with incentives.. If he is on our Charlotte roster perhaps he could be a mentor to those prospects that weren't quite ready for the show. He's 42 and could possibly be a pitching coach after his big league career is over.

btrain929
12-10-2008, 02:07 AM
from that article I would not be positive on his prognosis. If he continued to improve that would be great. I think a minor league contract with incentives.. If he is on our Charlotte roster perhaps he could be a mentor to those prospects that weren't quite ready for the show. He's 42 and could possibly be a pitching coach after his big league career is over.

You are high off your ass if you think John Smoltz takes a minor league contract. This isn't Sidney Ponson or Mike Sirotka we're talkin' about....

WhiteSoxFan84
12-10-2008, 02:31 AM
You are high off your ass if you think John Smoltz takes a minor league contract. This isn't Sidney Ponson or Mike Sirotka we're talkin' about....

yeh... no way smoltzie takes a MLC.
I truthfully think my offer would stick lol.
guarantee him $3mill. incentives:
$500k per 50 IP (or 10k per IP) as a member of the white sox
$100k per victory earned as a member of the white sox
$1mill if he makes the white sox make the postseason and he's on the postseason roster
$1mill per postseason victory earned on the white sox
$2mill if he finishes top 3 in AL Cy Young voting as a member of the white sox
$2mill on top of the other $2 mill above if he wins the AL Cy Young as a member of the white sox

So he can go 18-8, start 30 games, pitch 180 innings, help us get to the postseason, win 3 games in the postseason, finish 2nd in the cy young voting, and earn himself $12.6mm. Come on Smoltzie.... doooo ittt :redneck

pythons007
12-10-2008, 09:07 AM
Is he going to be able to start? I thought he was going to remain in the bullpen?

GAsoxfan
12-10-2008, 09:19 AM
from that article I would not be positive on his prognosis. If he continued to improve that would be great. I think a minor league contract with incentives.. If he is on our Charlotte roster perhaps he could be a mentor to those prospects that weren't quite ready for the show. He's 42 and could possibly be a pitching coach after his big league career is over.

Smoltz has said many times that he doesn't want to be a guy who hangs on too long. If he can't pitch at his usual high level, he's said he'll just walk away. There's no way he accepts a minor league deal.

If he would take an incentive-laden deal, I think it would be a great signing for the Sox.

Chrisaway
12-10-2008, 10:37 AM
He does go to my casino whenever he is in town.

Mr. White Sox
12-10-2008, 09:38 PM
Smoltz is going to get wayyyy more than that. Ben Sheets is commanding a 15-16mil a year salary, most likely, and Smoltz should be around that marker as well. Someone will pony up the dough.

Pitching is the overvalued commodity this year. Over the last few years, pitching went from absurdly undervalued to fair priced to C.C. Sabathia getting the GDP of the Cook Islands.

WhiteSoxFan84
12-10-2008, 10:58 PM
Smoltz is going to get wayyyy more than that. Ben Sheets is commanding a 15-16mil a year salary, most likely, and Smoltz should be around that marker as well. Someone will pony up the dough.

Pitching is the overvalued commodity this year. Over the last few years, pitching went from absurdly undervalued to fair priced to C.C. Sabathia getting the GDP of the Cook Islands.

Huh? Smoltz turns 42 in May, Sheets turns 31 in July, how are they being compared?
I know Sheets is known to be injury-prone but he could heal a lot quicker and avoid injury a lot easier than a 42 year old who doesn't have much left in the tank. He still has the goods to pitch in the majors but NO WAY will he get anywhere near $10mill guaranteed next year, let alone $15mill. Hell I don't see him getting more than $7mill guaranteed.

Mr. White Sox
12-11-2008, 03:10 AM
Huh? Smoltz turns 42 in May, Sheets turns 31 in July, how are they being compared?
I know Sheets is known to be injury-prone but he could heal a lot quicker and avoid injury a lot easier than a 42 year old who doesn't have much left in the tank. He still has the goods to pitch in the majors but NO WAY will he get anywhere near $10mill guaranteed next year, let alone $15mill. Hell I don't see him getting more than $7mill guaranteed.

Just looking at what A.J. Burnett is going to get this offseason (5 years, 91 million? WHAT?!), I'm expecting the impossible. I could see at least 2 teams considering 10mil for a year of Smoltz (Red Sox, Yankees, Braves(?)), but who knows.