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Nellie_Fox
11-28-2008, 12:29 AM
Continue the discussion here.

soxfan21
11-28-2008, 12:36 AM
I agree. With u 100% soxrepublican. Sox fans go to the game to watch the game and to enjoy watching baseball for the most part. We don't go just to get trashed and attempt to pick up chicks. If they just build a restaurant and bar with a sox shop by the park I'm sure that most of us would be cool with that and I'm sure that by building this that it would still bring in some new fans potentially and at least give us somewhere close to go after games that is not filled with cub fans.

soxrepublican
11-28-2008, 09:08 AM
I agree. With u 100% soxrepublican. Sox fans go to the game to watch the game and to enjoy watching baseball for the most part. We don't go just to get trashed and attempt to pick up chicks. If they just build a restaurant and bar with a sox shop by the park I'm sure that most of us would be cool with that and I'm sure that by building this that it would still bring in some new fans potentially and at least give us somewhere close to go after games that is not filled with cub fans.

I agree. The restarant sounds fine. But when we get into all this other bull****, thats gone too far. We dont need a damn giftshop megastore. We got one on each level of the park, that gets the job done. And a mall? No. Bad.

Red Barchetta
11-28-2008, 09:24 AM
I like that the SOX and the ISA are both continuing to work on improving the fan experience. It appears they listened to most of the fan complaints when it came to the renovations inside the park and I think they are now trying to make sure the fan experience outside the Cell matches up to those at other ballparks and what fans want.

I think most hard core fans would sit on wood planks and pee in splash troughs in exchange for a playoff team every season, however I think these changes are being made to attract new ans and city visitors than cater to the hard core fan base.

I really like what has happened with the organization under the Williams/Broyer era, so I hope all this continues.

I still think they should build a grand entrance in the LF corner that (a) can be seen from the expressway to help market the team and (b) allow easier access from the public transportation - L Tracks and pending Metra stop....

soxrepublican
11-28-2008, 09:33 AM
I like that the SOX and the ISA are both continuing to work on improving the fan experience. It appears they listened to most of the fan complaints when it came to the renovations inside the park and I think they are now trying to make sure the fan experience outside the Cell matches up to those at other ballparks and what fans want.

I think most hard core fans would sit on wood planks and pee in splash troughs in exchange for a playoff team every season, however I think these changes are being made to attract new ans and city visitors than cater to the hard core fan base.

I really like what has happened with the organization under the Williams/Broyer era, so I hope all this continues.

I still think they should build a grand entrance in the LF corner that (a) can be seen from the expressway to help market the team and (b) allow easier access from the public transportation - L Tracks and pending Metra stop....



I agree. Everything they have done so far is great.

skobabe8
11-28-2008, 11:12 AM
I agree. The restarant sounds fine. But when we get into all this other bull****, thats gone too far. We dont need a damn giftshop megastore. We got one on each level of the park, that gets the job done. And a mall? No. Bad.

I'm not sure who appointed you the official spokesman of the white sox fanbase. Alot of people want a nicer team store, including me. Check this thread alone. Many new stadiums have teamstores that are open on non-game days. St. Louis, San Fran and Milwaukee off the top of my head have some really nice ones. Ours lacks in comparison.

soxnut67
11-28-2008, 11:56 AM
I'm not sure who appointed you the official spokesman of the white sox fanbase. Alot of people want a nicer team store, including me. Check this thread alone. Many new stadiums have teamstores that are open on non-game days. St. Louis, San Fran and Milwaukee off the top of my head have some really nice ones. Ours lacks in comparison.


Exactly.

And in regards to more shoping restaurants outside of the ballpark--it's not just about us. It's about the casual Sox fan, and casual baseball fans as well as tourists who may be curious about the south side. All of it in the end, benefits the Sox.

JohnnyInnsbrook
11-28-2008, 11:56 AM
We don't go just to get trashed and attempt to pick up chicks.

Well i don't go just to pick up chicks... but i did meet my girlfriend there.:D:

soxrepublican
11-28-2008, 04:05 PM
I'm not sure who appointed you the official spokesman of the white sox fanbase. Alot of people want a nicer team store, including me. Check this thread alone. Many new stadiums have teamstores that are open on non-game days. St. Louis, San Fran and Milwaukee off the top of my head have some really nice ones. Ours lacks in comparison.

I can say I do agree with you, we could use some upgraded fan shops, (FYI, our shop is open all season, I think 9-5 every day), But what I dont agree with is some of these people who want a whole plaza with bars, a mall, and all kinds of crazy ****. Another resterant-bar like the bullpen, would be cool, and a better fan shop would be nice, too. ( I encorouge people to by Sox stuff at the park b/c the sox get 100% of profit) And this is MY opinion, its cool if you disagree with me.

PaleHoseGeorge
11-28-2008, 04:07 PM
The frontage Sox Park has along the Dan Ryan Expressway is an obvious marketing asset, 24/7/365. It's the one and only means the Sox can directly "connect" with its fanbase in a REAL way (versus merely a virtual way) most of the days between October and April.

The annual 3-day SoxFest is nothing compared to the marketing potential of building Sox Fan allegiances year-round with a restaurant/bar and gift shop along such a visible piece of real estate located along such a major transportation artery for the metropolitan area. Unlike SoxFest, it's working for you everyday, not just for a select few people for a select few days inside a hotel basement. This is a no-brainer...

My only recommendation would be for the Sox to have several of the most-popular Sox Park staples available at their restaurant/bar, including Polish Dogs, funnel cakes, and naturally churros!
:bandance:

soxrepublican
11-28-2008, 04:11 PM
My only recommendation would be for the Sox to have several of the most-popular Sox Park staples available at their restaurant/bar, including Polish Dogs, funnel cakes, and naturally churros!
:bandance:

I wonder if the polish was made by Bests Kosher?

PaleHoseGeorge
11-28-2008, 04:18 PM
I wonder if the polish was made by Bests Kosher?

Bests Kosher were the bomb, but I still have sentimental memories of Scott Peterson, too.
:wink:

It's the Sox atmosphere that sells the product. Frankly most ballpark food aspires to mediocrity at best. It's great Sox Park offers such a wide selection of food choices but the food service challenges of preparing top-drawer cuisine simply isn't in the cards.

soxrepublican
11-28-2008, 04:30 PM
Bests Kosher were the bomb, but I still have sentimental memories of Scott Peterson, too.
:wink:

It's the Sox atmosphere that sells the product. Frankly most ballpark food aspires to mediocrity at best. It's great Sox Park offers such a wide selection of food choices but the food service challenges of preparing top-drawer cuisine simply isn't in the cards.

I agree. Except for the polish. I am a expert on sasauge, and for polish, that was the best. Most other food, even the Best's kosher dogs, are mediocre at best.

skobabe8
11-28-2008, 04:38 PM
I can say I do agree with you, we could use some upgraded fan shops, (FYI, our shop is open all season, I think 9-5 every day), But what I dont agree with is some of these people who want a whole plaza with bars, a mall, and all kinds of crazy ****. Another resterant-bar like the bullpen, would be cool, and a better fan shop would be nice, too. ( I encorouge people to by Sox stuff at the park b/c the sox get 100% of profit) And this is MY opinion, its cool if you disagree with me.

You and I know the place is open everyday, but we are in the vast minority. The one time I went there on a non-game day, I had to be privately escorted up the elevator, and the place had to be unlocked for me. Plus, the woman who brought me up there sat and waited for me to buy something because she had to lock it back up when I was done and escort me back down. Not exactly the best set-up for a place of business.

PaleHoseGeorge
11-28-2008, 05:09 PM
You and I know the place is open everyday, but we are in the vast minority. The one time I went there on a non-game day, I had to be privately escorted up the elevator, and the place had to be unlocked for me. Plus, the woman who brought me up there sat and waited for me to buy something because she had to lock it back up when I was done and escort me back down. Not exactly the best set-up for a place of business.

This has happened to me, too, and I'm sure a few hundred other posters here at WSI, too. It's truly a pathetic situation and speaks directly to the innumerable flaws in the original design of New Comiskey caused by HOK's failure to anticipate future marketing needs of the ballclub.

I believe nearly every new ballpark of the 90's easily accommodated a street-level shop, restaurant or bar... with one big exception. Thank God the Sox have been working hard to remedy so many of the goof-ups from 20 years ago...

soxrepublican
11-28-2008, 05:19 PM
You and I know the place is open everyday, but we are in the vast minority. The one time I went there on a non-game day, I had to be privately escorted up the elevator, and the place had to be unlocked for me. Plus, the woman who brought me up there sat and waited for me to buy something because she had to lock it back up when I was done and escort me back down. Not exactly the best set-up for a place of business.

Yea, they are *******s sometimes. And they need to advertise it more, and improve it

skobabe8
11-28-2008, 05:43 PM
Yea, they are *******s sometimes. And they need to advertise it more, and improve it

Dude I'm not calling anyone an *******. The lady in my case was just doing what she was supposed to do. It's the situation that isnt good. Hence my original opinion that we need a nice, large team store to be built in the parking lot.

PaleHoseGeorge
11-28-2008, 06:12 PM
Strictly from a practical assessment of which ramps improve access and egress from the ballpark, the logical set of Gate 5 ramps to remove would be the WEST ramps, not the east ones. This is because the overwhelming majority of fans using Gate 5 are the ones crossing Wentworth Avenue from the adjacent Red Line and Green Line stops northeast of the ballpark.

But the Sox are tearing down the EAST ramps which certainly opens up space near Wentworth Avenue that previously was partially taken up with these ramps. This same general area also fronts the Dan Ryan Expressway; This is prime real estate, immediately adjacent to the 35th Street exit ramp off southbound I-90/94. In fact it's so important, the Sox have their main digital signage on this precise corner.

The smart money guesses this Gate 5 renovation is simply the first step in a two- or three-step process to use the northwest corner of 35th and Wentworth for something of greater value to the Sox than an extra set of ramps.

Speculate all you want what it might be... suffice to say whatever it is, it will be a vast improvement.
:thumbsup:

chisoxfanatic
11-28-2008, 06:22 PM
Strictly from a practical assessment of which ramps improve access and egress from the ballpark, the logical set of Gate 5 ramps to remove would be the WEST ramps, not the east ones. This is because the overwhelming majority of fans using Gate 5 are the ones crossing Wentworth Avenue from the adjacent Red Line and Green Line stops northeast of the ballpark.
:thumbsup:
They better let people use those escalators to exit the ballpark (even if they don't turn them on considering it a safety hazard). If they don't, everyone on that side of the ballpark would use that 1 ramp they'd have left, causing a complete cluster****. That could turn into a nightmare.

PaleHoseGeorge
11-28-2008, 07:16 PM
They better let people use those escalators to exit the ballpark (even if they don't turn them on considering it a safety hazard). If they don't, everyone on that side of the ballpark would use that 1 ramp they'd have left, causing a complete cluster****. That could turn into a nightmare.

Maybe I'm wrong, but in my experience the Gate 5 north ramps aren't very crowded compared to the ones west (Gate 3) and south (Gate 2) of the ballpark. The biggest joke are the Gate 6 ramps, just south and east of Gate 5 near 35th in the left-field corner. You could roll a bowling bowl down that one and never hit a soul.

Maybe that's why half of Gate 5 is going bye-bye?

soxrepublican
11-28-2008, 07:59 PM
Dude I'm not calling anyone an *******. The lady in my case was just doing what she was supposed to do. It's the situation that isnt good. Hence my original opinion that we need a nice, large team store to be built in the parking lot.

I misspoke. I ment to say that the system is screwed up. But the lot isnt the best thing ether in my opinion. Crime could be one of many problems. So I belive if they expand the existing one, advertise it, make it convient, that would be cool. Make it a whole big deal. Let people walk around. Have tours. Throw on some dogs. Sell tix, in fact, let people choose seats for games and season tix. Make it cool, and let it be known. So, skobabe, we agree that the shop should be fixed, and lets let it be known!

PaleHoseGeorge
11-28-2008, 08:26 PM
I would also hasten to note that the #1 target audience for any sort of Sox restaurant/bar or gift shop would be all that foot traffic streaming back and forth along 35th Street to and from the Red Line and Green Line stops.

These fans especially have time to kill waiting for whatever train they choose to take, whether fighting through sweaty crowds on an early train, or spending a few more bucks at 35th & Wentworth, drinks, novelties or food... it's all extra revenue for the Sox. It's remote location (away from the Bridgeport neighborhood) is a plus, too... a near-perfect location for milking a captive audience.

35th & Wentworth is also ideal for everyday automobile-driving Sox Fans, too. It's visible from the Dan Ryan and the southbound exit ramp literally runs right past the corner.

This makes perfect sense to me. I say tear down some more ramps and make every exit go right past 35th & Wentworth.
:wink:

JNS
11-28-2008, 09:21 PM
They could have had this since day one but they were venal and shortsighted. I still think they should have ponied up to move McCuddy's to the North side of 35th. Well, maybe they will put some outside tables under the trees that are now in the lee of the East end of gate 5 and used to be by the advance ticket window on 35th street in the old park.

I give them credit for doing it, but it's amazing how they didn't think of it before. Setting up the park as a suburban-type venue, in an ocean of parking lots didn't make any sense in 1989-1990 either, and it was commented on at the time. That was back in the days when management still had fantasies about what the Sox potential market demographic was. It added to the problems inherent in the original design of the ballpark itself. Now that they have pretty much fixed the actual ballpark, these changes will add to the attractiveness of the park holistically. It certainly will make use of its urban setting to much greater advantage. Taking advantage of the local geography was a large factor in creating the goldmine on the North side - a venue that traditionally drew far fewer fans than the Sox in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

Living fairly close by, I know I will be at that bar fairly often pre and perhaps post-game. It will be a great place to meet up with folks before games.

It should also produce revenue off-season as well.

Again, I give management credit for finally figuring it out. But why did it take almost 20 years?

soxrepublican
11-29-2008, 02:17 PM
They could have had this since day one but they were venal and shortsighted. I still think they should have ponied up to move McCuddy's to the North side of 35th. Well, maybe they will put some outside tables under the trees that are now in the lee of the East end of gate 5 and used to be by the advance ticket window on 35th street in the old park.

I give them credit for doing it, but it's amazing how they didn't think of it before. Setting up the park as a suburban-type venue, in an ocean of parking lots didn't make any sense in 1989-1990 either, and it was commented on at the time. That was back in the days when management still had fantasies about what the Sox potential market demographic was. It added to the problems inherent in the original design of the ballpark itself. Now that they have pretty much fixed the actual ballpark, these changes will add to the attractiveness of the park holistically. It certainly will make use of its urban setting to much greater advantage. Taking advantage of the local geography was a large factor in creating the goldmine on the North side - a venue that traditionally drew far fewer fans than the Sox in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.

Living fairly close by, I know I will be at that bar fairly often pre and perhaps post-game. It will be a great place to meet up with folks before games.

It should also produce revenue off-season as well.

Again, I give management credit for finally figuring it out. But why did it take almost 20 years?


Interesting. Good post.

JNS
11-29-2008, 04:49 PM
Wrigley had its infrastructure built-in. North side, lots of bars, clubs, and restaurants already there. However, North Lakeview, now known as Wrigleyville wasn't all that viable till the 80s - its gentrification coincided with the Trib buying the Cubs. Till the 80s North Lakeview was a fairly tough area, with a large Hispanic population, and a few vestages of the German working class folks who lived there since the late 1800s. As the area gentrified (smart people at the Trib probably were aware that it was bound to happen) - decent housing stock, close to the lake, close to "Boystown" on Halstead, and to Lincoln Park/Newtown that ran from about Armitage up to Roscoe or Cornielia. So all they had to do was to start marketing the ballpark (the Wrigley Field experience) and everything took off all at once - it became a money machine, and - and this is very important when talking about the Cubs - IT DIDN'T MATTER THAT THE TEAM WAS NO GOOD. It was all about the experience. Getting night baseball in 1989 was the dessert. Either way, you go to the game, then eat and drink, capping the night off at some club or another. A yuppie's garden of Eden.

The infrastructure wasn't there on the South side. Just McCuddy's, a picturesque dump that sold Dog Style in plastic cups.

There was the Ryan, the big projects on the other side of it, and some low-rise projects running between 36th street and Pershing Road. Parking lots and a few industrial-type buildings housing various businesses. To the West was the railroad viaduct, and beyond that, and to the North was Bridgeport.

But when management extorted the new ballpark out of the taxpayers by threatening to move to St. Pete in the late 80s, there was a chance to change all that and develop the area, which was pretty fallow. The low-rise projects to the South were raised, as were the industrial buildings on or near the perimeter of the ballpark area. But management didn't want to bring in private development, because that would mean someone besides them would be selling beer and food. And they wanted every single penny from every mug of Bud or Falstaff or whatever swill they were selling then, and from every tube of ratmeat and every peanut.

In fairness, the concept of integrated development; ballpark, retail, food and booze, wasn't all that well developed in the late 80s, but by the time the new park was finished it was the 90s (OK, the very early 90s, but still...) and if they had any marketing savvy or a well thought out concept of how they were going to draw folks to the area they would have come up with something. The Robert Taylor Homes across the Ryan were a problem, but the Ryan was and is a good barrier - they didn't have to wait till the projects were torn down.

This development will allow the Sox to compete with the Cubs on the level of something like "the White Sox baseball and entertainment experience." The next step is to encourage private development so that folks will have choices. When I was a kid, people would go to the Stock Yard Inn for dinner after a day game. Of course its been gone for decades, but the area and a legion of would-be Sox fans are waiting for more stuff to do in the immediate area. Given the economy as it now stands it might take a while, but this is a good start - better late than never!

soxrepublican
11-29-2008, 06:16 PM
Wrigley had its infrastructure built-in. North side, lots of bars, clubs, and restaurants already there. However, North Lakeview, now known as Wrigleyville wasn't all that viable till the 80s - its gentrification coincided with the Trib buying the Cubs. Till the 80s North Lakeview was a fairly tough area, with a large Hispanic population, and a few vestages of the German working class folks who lived there since the late 1800s. As the area gentrified (smart people at the Trib probably were aware that it was bound to happen) - decent housing stock, close to the lake, close to "Boystown" on Halstead, and to Lincoln Park/Newtown that ran from about Armitage up to Roscoe or Cornielia. So all they had to do was to start marketing the ballpark (the Wrigley Field experience) and everything took off all at once - it became a money machine, and - and this is very important when talking about the Cubs - IT DIDN'T MATTER THAT THE TEAM WAS NO GOOD. It was all about the experience. Getting night baseball in 1989 was the dessert. Either way, you go to the game, then eat and drink, capping the night off at some club or another. A yuppie's garden of Eden.

The infrastructure wasn't there on the South side. Just McCuddy's, a picturesque dump that sold Dog Style in plastic cups.

There was the Ryan, the big projects on the other side of it, and some low-rise projects running between 36th street and Pershing Road. Parking lots and a few industrial-type buildings housing various businesses. To the West was the railroad viaduct, and beyond that, and to the North was Bridgeport.

But when management extorted the new ballpark out of the taxpayers by threatening to move to St. Pete in the late 80s, there was a chance to change all that and develop the area, which was pretty fallow. The low-rise projects to the South were raised, as were the industrial buildings on or near the perimeter of the ballpark area. But management didn't want to bring in private development, because that would mean someone besides them would be selling beer and food. And they wanted every single penny from every mug of Bud or Falstaff or whatever swill they were selling then, and from every tube of ratmeat and every peanut.

In fairness, the concept of integrated development; ballpark, retail, food and booze, wasn't all that well developed in the late 80s, but by the time the new park was finished it was the 90s (OK, the very early 90s, but still...) and if they had any marketing savvy or a well thought out concept of how they were going to draw folks to the area they would have come up with something. The Robert Taylor Homes across the Ryan were a problem, but the Ryan was and is a good barrier - they didn't have to wait till the projects were torn down.

This development will allow the Sox to compete with the Cubs on the level of something like "the White Sox baseball and entertainment experience." The next step is to encourage private development so that folks will have choices. When I was a kid, people would go to the Stock Yard Inn for dinner after a day game. Of course its been gone for decades, but the area and a legion of would-be Sox fans are waiting for more stuff to do in the immediate area. Given the economy as it now stands it might take a while, but this is a good start - just 18 years late!


Wow. Your like my second mouth. In a good way.

PaleHoseGeorge
11-29-2008, 07:14 PM
....

This development will allow the Sox to compete with the Cubs on the level of something like "the White Sox baseball and entertainment experience." The next step is to encourage private development so that folks will have choices. When I was a kid, people would go to the Stock Yard Inn for dinner after a day game. Of course its been gone for decades, but the area and a legion of would-be Sox fans are waiting for more stuff to do in the immediate area. Given the economy as it now stands it might take a while, but this is a good start - just 18 years late!

I feel your assessment sums up neatly the problems the Sox have faced both prior to building New Comiskey and the design failures spotlighted afterwards, too.

It's just my opinion but I believe the reason the Sox stumbled so badly through this period (roughly 1985 - 2000) is because nobody in the front office really had much of a clue how to market the ballclub or how to successfully sell the product to their own fanbase. Their blunders are recounted all over WSI...

It's amazing how much progress the ballclub began to make earlier this decade to market the ballclub better and winning a world championship has brought a virtual sea change in the attitude of the average Sox Fan.

Rather than declare "18 years late", I would prefer to note "Better late than never."
:cool:

soxrepublican
11-29-2008, 08:03 PM
I feel your assessment sums up neatly the problems the Sox have faced both prior to building New Comiskey and the design failures spotlighted afterwards, too.

It's just my opinion but I believe the reason the Sox stumbled so badly through this period (roughly 1985 - 2000) is because nobody in the front office really had much of a clue how to market the ballclub or how to successfully sell the product to their own fanbase. Their blunders are recounted all over WSI...

It's amazing how much progress the ballclub began to make earlier this decade to market the ballclub better and winning a world championship has brought a virtual sea change in the attitude of the average Sox Fan.

Rather than declare "18 years late", I would prefer to note "Better late than never."
:cool:


Yes, the big part of the problem was the front office being clueless, but the winning squads we have had on the field the past few years has been about 70% of the reason we are finally filling up good ol Comiskey, the other 30% is the renovations etc.

JNS
11-29-2008, 08:14 PM
It's just my opinion but I believe the reason the Sox stumbled so badly through this period (roughly 1985 - 2000) is because nobody in the front office really had much of a clue how to market the ballclub or how to successfully sell the product to their own fanbase. Their blunders are recounted all over WSI...

It's amazing how much progress the ballclub began to make earlier this decade to market the ballclub better and winning a world championship has brought a virtual sea change in the attitude of the average Sox Fan.

Rather than declare "18 years late", I would prefer to note "Better late than never."
:cool:

I agree - and sure I'll adjust "18 years late" to "Better late than never."

As much as selling the naming rights was a drag, the dough has made a tremendous difference. And folks call the park what they want to - I noticed you called it White Sox Park in an earlier post - a name (if I'm not mistaken) that the old park had for a few years during the Allyn regime. I tend to call it Comiskey, not out of some pique at the re-naming of it, but out of habit.

Anyhow, I see the hand of Boyer in all this stuff - he's really good. There are lots of marketing pros out there, none of whom worked for the Sox until they brought Brooks across town, but he certainly was the right choice. I can't think of a single new facility or change in the "look and feel" of the place that I disagree with. He turned a lousy ballpark into a really nice one - I know a lot of people, including a few Cubs fans, who find it much more comfortable and fan-friendly than Wrigley.

So now he's going to work on the environs.

One of the interesting aspects of this is the changing face of Bridgeport. I think the bad economy and the even worse housing market will to some extent stunt the growth of the developments East of the Ryan, but over the past ten years, Bridgeport has gotten a lot more diverse and upscale. My kid plays soccer with kids from Bridgeport whose parents are lawyers and bankers. The housing stock is OK, it's super-cheap compared to Hyde Park, South Loop/Burnham Park or anywhere North of the river, and access to downtown is fantastic with the Orange Line and arterial streets like Archer.

Irony is not dead - Sox ownership lamented the proletarian nature of the Sox fan base for years, and now it may come to pass (if we aren't slipping into Great Depression II) that those upscale fans and younger, fairly affluent types they so wanted to attract back in the day may be infiltrating into that most working class of communities, Bridgeport!

I'm curious. How do the ISA and their tenant - the Sox - interact on these sorts of external projects? I mean, I'm blaming Sox management for not going in this direction earlier, but the ISA is the landlord after all, and guys like Peter Byno - I think he still runs it - are supposed to be smart too. What if any is their role in the development of the facility and its outside amenities?

JNS
11-29-2008, 08:23 PM
Yes, the big part of the problem was the front office being clueless, but the winning squads we have had on the field the past few years has been about 70% of the reason we are finally filling up good ol Comiskey, the other 30% is the renovations etc.

Absolutely. Boyer took the fairly bold step of reducing seating capacity to make the place better. And it worked. Sometimes less is more!

Parrothead
11-30-2008, 07:45 AM
Absolutely. Boyer took the fairly bold step of reducing seating capacity to make the place better. And it worked. Sometimes less is more!

Not sure if it was Boyers idea or not to tear some rows off the upper deck and do all the alterations, however, the Sox management and the Sports Authority still had to give it the ok. The props that Boyer deserves is asking / listening to what the fans want / need and trying to provide it. Marketing is a skill that guy has skills.

JNS
11-30-2008, 12:31 PM
Not sure if it was Boyers idea or not to tear some rows off the upper deck and do all the alterations, however, the Sox management and the Sports Authority still had to give it the ok. The props that Boyer deserves is asking / listening to what the fans want / need and trying to provide it. Marketing is a skill that guy has skills.

It's amazing to me that it took about 20 years of ownership for these guys to get someone in who related to the fans the Sox HAVE, as opposed to the ones they wish they had. Turns out there are a lot of them, and their money is as green as anyone's.

Lundind1
11-30-2008, 05:23 PM
I love the fact that they are listening to fans requests. I hope that all of these renovations and things turn this into even more of World Class facility.

On another note, the demo crew has almost completed removal of the walk overs from gate 5 to the LF side of the building. Mobile offices have been put in place as well for the contractors working on the building project. Hopefully this "snow" we are supposed to get is not going to delay completion of this phase of the demo because 35th is closed and getting around here is tough.

JNS
11-30-2008, 06:56 PM
I love the fact that they are listening to fans requests. I hope that all of these renovations and things turn this into even more of World Class facility.

On another note, the demo crew has almost completed removal of the walk overs from gate 5 to the LF side of the building. Mobile offices have been put in place as well for the contractors working on the building project. Hopefully this "snow" we are supposed to get is not going to delay completion of this phase of the demo because 35th is closed and getting around here is tough.

I went to Grandstand today to get some Xmas stuff - 35th still blocked from the East - I had to go over to 31st and then up Union or Lowe or whatever.

Lundind1
11-30-2008, 08:30 PM
I went to Grandstand today to get some Xmas stuff - 35th still blocked from the East - I had to go over to 31st and then up Union or Lowe or whatever.

Yeah, I just got back from a food run and there are still pieces of concrete to come down from the overpass. I think that they should get is all done by midnight at the latest.

esbrechtel
12-01-2008, 02:08 PM
Lundind thanks for all of the updates for those of us that live out in the 'burbs.

Red Barchetta
12-01-2008, 04:00 PM
Lundind thanks for all of the updates for those of us that live out in the 'burbs.

...and for us transplanted SOX fans who live 1200 miles away in the "burbs". :smile:

Cat Thief
12-01-2008, 04:44 PM
What's wrong with 33rd St? Why is is so tough to get around?

chisoxfanatic
12-01-2008, 04:48 PM
What's wrong with 33rd St? Why is is so tough to get around?
They've recently done some work under the viaduct. It's not too bad there today, though.

I drove my cousin (big Sox fan) to the airport early this afternoon, and he wanted to take a couple pictures of the ballpark before going to my place, so we did, and that area looks incredibly bare right now! I really think this is going to expose more of the outer beauty of the ballpark.

It's too bad we had some snow cover on the ground, or he'd have been able to get a better photo of our Championship monument.

Cat Thief
12-01-2008, 04:50 PM
Looks to me like that work was for new lights on the railroad tracks. I could be wrong.

chisoxfanatic
12-01-2008, 04:52 PM
Looks to me like that work was for new lights on the railroad tracks. I could be wrong.
They should seriously look into repaving that viaduct and pretty much every other viaduct here in Bridgeport!

nasox
12-01-2008, 09:24 PM
This thread is awesome. I love intelligent discussion about our park, our fanbase, management and their sometimes good/sometimes bad decisions, and urban development. Good work, WSI. And PHG, always like reading your posts (although I still haven't forgotten your proposal for a soccer style baseball playoff. :wink:)

JNS
12-01-2008, 10:08 PM
They should seriously look into repaving that viaduct and pretty much every other viaduct here in Bridgeport!

It took cars disappearing into the maws of the earth - all the way to the molten mantle I think - before they got around to dealing with the 47th and the lake viaduct under the Metra electric line. They totally rebuilt the road, topping it off with concrete instead of blacktop, which means that it won't deteriorate in the next six weeks.

I don't go under the 35th St viaduct much any more so I don't know how bad it is - I used to park for free on Normal years ago, but now take the red line most of the time.

schmitty9800
12-01-2008, 10:31 PM
Any talk about switching the scoreboard with one of the center ad banners so it'll be less obscured by the Fundamentals Deck? :(

JNS
12-01-2008, 11:59 PM
Any talk about switching the scoreboard with one of the center ad banners so it'll be less obscured by the Fundamentals Deck? :(

From the comments at WSI, and in my personal opinion, the "scoreboard" is a joke; just a huge electric billboard. The thing in LF, and the other scores in RF are a travesty. Just put all the important stuff in CF, where it belongs, us LF and RF as billboards.

Lundind1
12-02-2008, 01:02 AM
Any talk about switching the scoreboard with one of the center ad banners so it'll be less obscured by the Fundamentals Deck? :(

There was some talk of this occuring this offseason....at least the out of town scoreboard but as of yet, nothing has been done and there is no work going on inside the park with the exception of normal maintenance.

The demo crew worked late into the night last night and got the east access ramp done and had the road cleared early this morning. As I understand it they are well within the timeframe given to them to complete the demo. It is a tough one too because they had to delicately pick the ramp structure apart so as to not damage the escalator super-structure.

BTW, if you get to the clubhouse sale this weekend Dec. 5,6,7 (consult that thread for times) take a look at the project. It really opened up the north end of the parking lot for the time being. Also bring the kids and get a picture on the field with all the snow, ought to be great for a holiday (Christmas) picture card. Advance tickets go on sale tomorrow for $5, a donation to CWSC, and a credit toward a purchase there. Enough advertising, hope I don't get stung for spamy. LOL

Red Barchetta
12-03-2008, 08:06 AM
These "renovation threads" each off season really help pass time each winter.

It appears we will have minor changes next season, however I'm hoping that the what appears to be the SOX dragging their feet on the concourse scoreboards may in fact be the result of a planned larger renovation.

I would love to see the lattace iron framework replaced with brick arches similar to the Old Comiskey design and then have the new scoreboards installed.

I remember a few years ago, when the player profile pictures displayed on the CF scoreboard had what looked like a brick arch/church looking background. I was hoping that was a teaser on a future renovation.

The Cell is quietly turning into a world-class ballpark and I'm positive the SOX brass are aware that the current scoreboard situation is not world-class. If not, they will next year when the renovated Royals ballpark is finished.

JNS
12-03-2008, 09:14 AM
The Cell is quietly turning into a world-class ballpark and I'm positive the SOX brass are aware that the current scoreboard situation is not world-class. If not, they will next year when the renovated Royals ballpark is finished.

I hadn't realized that Kaufman was undergoing renovation. In many ways the Cell is based on Royals Stadium (without that tacky fountain luckily), so anything that happens there may inform what they continue to do here.

In general I like the Cell more than Kaufman, but the original principle was similar - a suburban stadium surrounded by oceans of parking lots, a wrap-around upper deck that ends at the foul poles. The Cell's original bullpens were situated the same way they are at Kaufman.

esbrechtel
12-03-2008, 09:22 AM
They showed the torn up park multiple times during the Royals vs. Sox Broadcasts....that new scoreboard is MONEY (to quote Swingers)

JNS
12-03-2008, 05:38 PM
They showed the torn up park multiple times during the Royals vs. Sox Broadcasts....that new scoreboard is MONEY (to quote Swingers)

I guess I didn't notice. Too busy hoping Javy would have a decent start! :rolleyes:

LoveYourSuit
12-03-2008, 06:30 PM
These "renovation threads" each off season really help pass time each winter.



I think this might be the most excitement we get all offseason, sad to say.

Red Barchetta
12-04-2008, 08:54 AM
I guess I didn't notice. Too busy hoping Javy would have a decent start! :rolleyes:

They also have some nice renovation design photos/drawings on the Royals website. Nice park!

soxpride724
12-04-2008, 09:29 AM
I'm not sure who appointed you the official spokesman of the white sox fanbase. Alot of people want a nicer team store, including me. Check this thread alone. Many new stadiums have teamstores that are open on non-game days. St. Louis, San Fran and Milwaukee off the top of my head have some really nice ones. Ours lacks in comparison.

You are right. Most other ballparks have the Cell beat in that category. Heck, ours is one step up from the one at Silver Cross Field in Joliet,lol.

soxpride724
12-04-2008, 09:32 AM
I can say I do agree with you, we could use some upgraded fan shops, (FYI, our shop is open all season, I think 9-5 every day), But what I dont agree with is some of these people who want a whole plaza with bars, a mall, and all kinds of crazy ****. Another resterant-bar like the bullpen, would be cool, and a better fan shop would be nice, too. ( I encorouge people to by Sox stuff at the park b/c the sox get 100% of profit) And this is MY opinion, its cool if you disagree with me.

The prices are more jacked up at the ballpark.

soxrepublican
12-04-2008, 04:31 PM
The prices are more jacked up at the ballpark.

Yeah, your right. But sometimes you can find a deal, or some stuff is only 1 or 2 bucks more, and I would rather give my money to the sox than lets say Sports Authorty, the main sponser of the other Chicago baseball club. I usually buy my sox crap on sale at stores, but try to by directly from the sox.

swish
12-08-2008, 12:14 AM
Yeah, your right. But sometimes you can find a deal, or some stuff is only 1 or 2 bucks more, and I would rather give my money to the sox than lets say Sports Authorty, the main sponser of the other Chicago baseball club. I usually buy my sox crap on sale at stores, but try to by directly from the sox.

You should be banned!

haha I'm just kidding, but those two words never belong in the same sentence let alone right next to each other...

soxnut67
12-08-2008, 09:02 AM
These "renovation threads" each off season really help pass time each winter.


I would love to see the lattace iron framework replaced with brick arches similar to the Old Comiskey design and then have the new scoreboards installed.

.


I posed something similar to Brooks a few weeks ago, but my idea was a little different. The window design was part of multi-level outfield concourse. He said that was I was proposing would be way too expensive.


But here is my crude design that I came up with about 6-7 years ago. Maye with enough input we could have some tye of arch design out there. It would really help make the side of the park facing the expy more attractive, as well as the inside of the park of course. We had a similar thread regarding this. Some really great ideas.
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=5860&thumb=1&d=1216250646 (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=5860&d=1216250646)

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=103430&page=4

soxrepublican
12-14-2008, 10:55 AM
Anything new goin' around the park?

whitesox901
12-14-2008, 12:27 PM
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/2375697797_97873777b7_o.jpg
last year

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/3102086528_83f85dafa8_o.jpg
now

Garland_IS_God
12-14-2008, 12:47 PM
Hey guys, what are they doing in Lot A? I was on the Metra last week and seen theres some kind of construction going on in the lot. Sorry for asking this question even though its prolly been answered already, but it would take 3 hours to read all the posts in the two threads. :tongue:

hawkjt
12-14-2008, 12:47 PM
Thanks for the photo comparison...that change is simply amazing!

Now,what exactly are they going to end up doing to that side of the stadium?

DumpJerry
12-14-2008, 02:31 PM
Hey guys, what are they doing in Lot A? I was on the Metra last week and seen theres some kind of construction going on in the lot. Sorry for asking this question even though its prolly been answered already, but it would take 3 hours to read all the posts in the two threads. :tongue:
That's the subject of this and the predecessor thread. In sum, they have torn down the east ramp over 35th Street and there is a lot of discussion here on what is being built in its place.

Parrothead
12-14-2008, 10:38 PM
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/2375697797_97873777b7_o.jpg
last year

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/3102086528_83f85dafa8_o.jpg
now

Thanks for the photo comparison...that change is simply amazing!

Now,what exactly are they going to end up doing to that side of the stadium?

I think the lighting looks better on the last year pic.

voodoochile
12-14-2008, 10:50 PM
I think the lighting looks better on the last year pic.


That's mostly just lights from the ramps being on. Now one of those ramps isn't there anymore and the other one is dark. That and the fact there's no asphalt to reflect light off of, changes the entire lighting effect. I wonder if the top one was taken with a filter to bring out blue light also. It definitely appears to be higher resolution and I would bet it had a longer open aperture setting.

Frater Perdurabo
12-15-2008, 06:04 AM
That's mostly just lights from the ramps being on. Now one of those ramps isn't there anymore and the other one is dark. That and the fact there's no asphalt to reflect light off of, changes the entire lighting effect. I wonder if the top one was taken with a filter to bring out blue light also. It definitely appears to be higher resolution and I would bet it had a longer open aperture setting.

Are you sure you're not a photography prof? :tongue:

C-Dawg
12-15-2008, 10:54 AM
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/2375697797_97873777b7_o.jpg
last year

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/3102086528_83f85dafa8_o.jpg
now

Is that you, David K.? Didn't know you were on the forum. Great pics as always!

whitesox901
12-15-2008, 01:41 PM
Is that you, David K.? Didn't know you were on the forum. Great pics as always!

Nah, im not he who you speak of. I saw these pics on Baseball-fever and decided to copy them over here.

Thome25
12-15-2008, 01:47 PM
One of the few complaints in this article about the renovations at the Cell was the fact that those ramps were blocking the view of a large portion of the front of the stadium.

Here's the link

http://www.baseballparks.com/USCellular1.asp

Now while I mostly disagree with ANY commentary on the Cell because I think it's a beautiful ballpark I have to agree with the writer's opinion that the ramps were obstructing fans from really seeing how good the front of the stadium looks.

The recent side by side comparison pics confirm this IMHO.

*Fixed the link--it works now.

DumpJerry
12-15-2008, 02:01 PM
I think the lighting looks better on the last year pic.
The last year pic was taken during the baseball season-the interior lights are on. The only comparison you can make between the two pics is the missing ramp.

skobabe8
12-15-2008, 08:23 PM
One of the few complaints in this article about the renovations at the Cell was the fact that those ramps were blocking the view of a large portion of the front of the stadium.

Here's the link

http://www.baseballparks.com/USCellular1.asp

Now while I mostly disagree with ANY commentary on the Cell because I think it's a beautiful ballpark I have to agree with the writer's opinion that the ramps were obstructing fans from really seeing how good the front of the stadium looks.

The recent side by side comparison pics confirm this IMHO.

*Fixed the link--it works now.

I REALLY got into it with the guy that owns that site over his original review of USCF. I posted our exchanges in a thread a while back.

:D:

Bucky F. Dent
12-16-2008, 07:13 AM
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/2375697797_97873777b7_o.jpg
last year

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/3102086528_83f85dafa8_o.jpg
now


That is an extremely impressive upgrade. Really enhances the arches - echoes of Comiskey.

dickallen15
12-16-2008, 07:16 AM
The city has halted work on the new ramp. Apparently, they do not have the permits needed to build a new one yet, just the permits to knock down the old one. Seems like some money business is occurring now.

Bucky F. Dent
12-16-2008, 07:19 AM
The city has halted work on the new ramp. Apparently, the do not have the permits needed to build a new one yet, just the permits to knock down the old one. Seems like some money business is occurring now.


That junk happens on occassion. Somebody is certainly getting their but chewed this morning, but they just need to get the paper work in order. Unless they've tied themselves to an unusually tight schedule, it should not effect anything.

JNS
12-16-2008, 09:42 AM
I'm gonna try to get over there with a camera in the next couple of days to see if I can get a clearer shot of what it looks like now.

Red Barchetta
12-16-2008, 10:13 AM
The city has halted work on the new ramp. Apparently, the do not have the permits needed to build a new one yet, just the permits to knock down the old one. Seems like some money business is occurring now.


...is the governor involved? :tongue:

"If you want these ramps built Brooks, someone needs to pay to play!"

soxrepublican
12-21-2008, 06:56 PM
I'm gonna try to get over there with a camera in the next couple of days to see if I can get a clearer shot of what it looks like now.

Please do.

PalehosePlanet
12-21-2008, 09:30 PM
Now while I mostly disagree with ANY commentary on the Cell because I think it's a beautiful ballpark I have to agree with the writer's opinion that the ramps were obstructing fans from really seeing how good the front of the stadium looks.

The recent side by side comparison pics confirm this IMHO.

*Fixed the link--it works now.

Yeah, I agree, but won't the new structure, when built, end up blocking the view anyway?

Lundind1
12-22-2008, 04:41 PM
I'm gonna try to get over there with a camera in the next couple of days to see if I can get a clearer shot of what it looks like now.

Nothing. Since I posted the last set of pics, there has been nothing going on there. The last of work was completed right around Thanksgiving and there has been no progress. The finish work on the clearing has been completed and now it is up to the GC to get in there to commence construction. It should be noted that nothing can be done until the permits have been completed.

JNS
12-22-2008, 06:09 PM
Nothing. Since I posted the last set of pics, there has been nothing going on there. The last of work was completed right around Thanksgiving and there has been no progress. The finish work on the clearing has been completed and now it is up to the GC to get in there to commence construction. It should be noted that nothing can be done until the permits have been completed.

Thanks - plus the weather has made me outdoors-averse. I'm too lazy and tired - from pushing neighbors cars for several days - to head over there and get out of the car and take pix. But as soon as things moderate slightly, I will.

PROMISE!

sox102
12-23-2008, 08:47 AM
The city has halted work on the new ramp. Apparently, they do not have the permits needed to build a new one yet, just the permits to knock down the old one.

We heard the same thing. Our Project Manager has been down there a few times the last couple weeks. I think all of our material is on order and we should be on schedule. We know this won't affect the end date, which never changes, so it might be an even tighter schedule.

whitesox901
01-08-2009, 04:04 PM
anyone know if there is any recent updates/pics?

Frontman
01-08-2009, 05:06 PM
anyone know if there is any recent updates/pics?

Nothing from my (pardon the pun) front. By brother hasn't been there in a while to get photos. Then again, there are a few more months before the ballpark will be in use; so he still could do some work there prior to this season.

Lundind1
01-08-2009, 11:49 PM
I've got really nothing huge going on here. The general contractor has started work on the new structure. The utilities are being run right now from the corner of 35th and Shields, which is the only visible change right now; even that is just a big hole in the ground. There was some concrete pumping occuring the past few days for the foundation structure and all the remaining piles of busted concrete are being hauled off. Other than that, there is nothing worth taking pictures of for me because there is no realy visible change to the park.

I promise to get more pictures as soon as there comes even a slight physical change to the gate 5 area.

One last thing, there was some concrete pumping going on at gate 6 early last week before New Years. It was just some minor work going on in the tunnel underneath the stands....just standard maintenance.

More to come when it comes available.

Lundind1
01-09-2009, 12:41 PM
There are some renovations going on inside the park right now, something that I was not aware of. The Suite levels are getting redone right now. Just new bathrooms, carpeting, and they are redoing the seating inside the glass.

The thing that I love about all this is the White Sox and ISFA realize that you have to put the money back into facilities to keep the park nice for long periods of time.

skobabe8
01-09-2009, 03:22 PM
There are some renovations going on inside the park right now, something that I was not aware of. The Suite levels are getting redone right now. Just new bathrooms, carpeting, and they are redoing the seating inside the glass.

The thing that I love about all this is the White Sox and ISFA realize that you have to put the money back into facilities to keep the park nice for long periods of time.

Is there any chance they are doing something with the suites that never get used?

Lundind1
01-09-2009, 04:15 PM
Is there any chance they are doing something with the suites that never get used?

To my knowledge of their ticketing practices, they have ton's of them sold for big corporations. They have to sign a contract to lease them for a certain amount of time.

The other are used for day of game rentals. I know a STH I get a few emails a year about getting one for single game use. Cubs/Sox is one I have always kicked around getting but it would cost me about $200 per person if I wanted free flowing booze and AYCE.

I know that a few year ago they moved the Press area into the upper level suite area down the RF line to put the Beam Club behind Home. Also they installed a large suite section down the LF line for the Terrace Suite and Miller Light Party Deck. There are a few suites closer to home on that same level that are "empty" but those are used by Levy Restaurants for support areas for the Suite Attendants.

I know that for most games, almost all the suites are at least sold, they may go unused but the Sox are still capitalizing on them.

skobabe8
01-09-2009, 06:05 PM
To my knowledge of their ticketing practices, they have ton's of them sold for big corporations. They have to sign a contract to lease them for a certain amount of time.

The other are used for day of game rentals. I know a STH I get a few emails a year about getting one for single game use. Cubs/Sox is one I have always kicked around getting but it would cost me about $200 per person if I wanted free flowing booze and AYCE.

I know that a few year ago they moved the Press area into the upper level suite area down the RF line to put the Beam Club behind Home. Also they installed a large suite section down the LF line for the Terrace Suite and Miller Light Party Deck. There are a few suites closer to home on that same level that are "empty" but those are used by Levy Restaurants for support areas for the Suite Attendants.

I know that for most games, almost all the suites are at least sold, they may go unused but the Sox are still capitalizing on them.

I get the same emails you do, and for most games I attend I see suites down the lines empty. Even for the premier games and high demand games, suites seem always available. I was always hoping for those spaces to be turned into space that can be used for any ticket holder, but if it is true the Sox are making money on all of them then I can see why things would not change.

Lundind1
01-09-2009, 06:37 PM
I get the same emails you do, and for most games I attend I see suites down the lines empty. Even for the premier games and high demand games, suites seem always available. I was always hoping for those spaces to be turned into space that can be used for any ticket holder, but if it is true the Sox are making money on all of them then I can see why things would not change.

I was in the Beam club a bunch of times last season and each door has a number, a name, and most of them have a company name underneath that. Almost all of them have at least a persons name on them.

Last season, I was also walking around the upper level suite area, the 4th level....right by KW and Reinsdorf's suites and those are all occupied. As I said before, the upper level suites down the RF line are almost completely occupied by the new press area.

As for single game suites, my rep told me that they only had about 5 of them for single game purchase.

I would love to get some AYCE seats for games or for my season package. Some teams are going to certain seating sections or vouchers that you exchange for a wristband so you can get as many hotdogs, pizza, soda, etc. that you would want. I am in the premium upper box area and would love to have that option with my tickets.

Region Rat
01-10-2009, 01:29 AM
Questions:

1. Isn't the new **** they are building going to cover the face of the park right back up?


2. Whitesox901, those before and after pictures have been deleted by photobucket, anyway you can bring em back up? ...or anyone else have pics?

Lundind1
01-19-2009, 01:25 AM
Just a quick note. The construction began then quit, then started back up. The first screwup was the permiting on the construction. The second delay was you can't pour a good foundation with a high temp of -3 and a windchill of -25. As it is right now, they have to take it slow and are blanketing everything. The lights are on and work is continuing later into the night and weekends to get this thing done.

I will get you pictures as progress and things become more visible, probably in the next week.

whitesox901
01-19-2009, 01:37 AM
Questions:

1. Isn't the new **** they are building going to cover the face of the park right back up?


2. Whitesox901, those before and after pictures have been deleted by photobucket, anyway you can bring em back up? ...or anyone else have pics?

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/2375697797_97873777b7_o.jpg
BEFORE

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/3102086528_83f85dafa8_o.jpg
NOW

ChiSoxGirl
01-19-2009, 10:18 AM
Just a quick note. The construction began then quit, then started back up. The first screwup was the permiting on the construction. The second delay was you can't pour a good foundation with a high temp of -3 and a windchill of -25. As it is right now, they have to take it slow and are blanketing everything. The lights are on and work is continuing later into the night and weekends to get this thing done.

I will get you pictures as progress and things become more visible, probably in the next week.

I was driving through Bridgeport on Saturday night around 6:30p and was surprised to see the lights on top of the light towers of the ballpark on, in addition to the construction lights in the parking lot on and guys working out there. But you're right... it's been an awful winter for any kind of construction to take place, so they have to do whatever it takes to get this thing done, even if it means working nights and weekends. Fortunately, there are supposed to be a couple days this week in the mid-high 30s, so hopefully they can do a lot of catching up. After all, they've only got about 2 1/2 months left to finish up.

soxlug
01-19-2009, 12:04 PM
I really like the renovation talk generally because it is not baseball season and need to pass the time or atleast my free time. I have to say the improvements to the Cell over the last 5 years or so have been pretty good. I like that they went back to the green seats, the fundamentals area (I take my 7 year old.), the centerfield area is really nicely done. What is great though is I pack up the family take off from Fort Wayne take the most boring road in the world (highway 30) to 421 then 80/90 and I am there for the most part. What is great though is the parking I can always get some good parking right there by the stadium. Then we bust out the cooler and grill and can enjoy ourselves, plus the port a poddies, more times than not have tailgated at stadiums where basically you open the car door and well you know the drill.
Access into the stadium has always been easy. I love that the concourse goes all the way around the park. The field itself is in the best shape as any field in baseball. The scoreboard has replays on it which last year I was at the Alexei swipes the ball with his glove to Konerko game (incredible game btw), sitting in the 300 section between 3rd and left made it tough to see how incredible that play was. Which I believe was also Clayton Richards first start. A couple times a year I do treat the family to the club level my goodness that is very nice. I know in 2005 we went to a game and it was just a blaze outside and a couple of times the air conditioning felt great in between innings (I know I am a wuss.) Leaving the stadium to get on the Dan Ryan has been interesting with construction but hey it needed to be done. My point is that my circle of friends and my family have always had nice things to say about the stadium. I mean yes Cub fans like to speak out against the park along with the media, but for the fans that have gone to a game to watch a game they know it is a nice stadium. Go Sox!

Thome25
01-19-2009, 12:19 PM
I really like the renovation talk generally because it is not baseball season and need to pass the time or atleast my free time. I have to say the improvements to the Cell over the last 5 years or so have been pretty good. I like that they went back to the green seats, the fundamentals area (I take my 7 year old.), the centerfield area is really nicely done. What is great though is I pack up the family take off from Fort Wayne take the most boring road in the world (highway 30) to 421 then 80/90 and I am there for the most part. What is great though is the parking I can always get some good parking right there by the stadium. Then we bust out the cooler and grill and can enjoy ourselves, plus the port a poddies, more times than not have tailgated at stadiums where basically you open the car door and well you know the drill.
Access into the stadium has always been easy. I love that the concourse goes all the way around the park. The field itself is in the best shape as any field in baseball. The scoreboard has replays on it which last year I was at the Alexei swipes the ball with his glove to Konerko game (incredible game btw), sitting in the 300 section between 3rd and left made it tough to see how incredible that play was. Which I believe was also Clayton Richards first start. A couple times a year I do treat the family to the club level my goodness that is very nice. I know in 2005 we went to a game and it was just a blaze outside and a couple of times the air conditioning felt great in between innings (I know I am a wuss.) Leaving the stadium to get on the Dan Ryan has been interesting with construction but hey it needed to be done. My point is that my circle of friends and my family have always had nice things to say about the stadium. I mean yes Cub fans like to speak out against the park along with the media, but for the fans that have gone to a game to watch a game they know it is a nice stadium. Go Sox!

Nice commentary on the park!! :thumbsup: Just a friendly reminder: I'm not trying to be an ass or the "punctuation/grammar police" or anything but, just so you know......you might want to break up your longer posts into seperate statements and/or paragraphs so it's easier for us to read. :D:

WTS.....I definitely agree with you. The Cell is a beautiful and underrated ballpark that gets a ton of unwarranted negativity thrown at it.

Region Rat
01-25-2009, 03:29 AM
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/2375697797_97873777b7_o.jpg
BEFORE

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/3102086528_83f85dafa8_o.jpg
NOW
WOW! Theres a good looking ballpark behind all that ****! Who Knew?! :redneck I hope this trend continues and we see more of those ramps replaced.

TheOzziePlan
01-25-2009, 12:48 PM
Thome25 you have to get rid of that "Elect" in "President Elect" in your quote.

BleacherBandit
01-25-2009, 03:01 PM
Sorry, new to this topic. How are we going to get into the park if they're taking away alot of the ramps?

whitesox901
01-25-2009, 03:02 PM
Sorry, new to this topic. How are we going to get into the park if they're taking away alot of the ramps?

Rope, pick-ax and Boots

skobabe8
01-25-2009, 04:00 PM
Anyone have a pic of the new huge banner hanging outside the park?

anewman35
01-25-2009, 05:05 PM
Sorry, new to this topic. How are we going to get into the park if they're taking away alot of the ramps?

They only took away one, and it's going to be replaced with one that goes to the first level. So, it doesn't hurt the ability to get into the park, only the ability to get upstairs, and there's still the other ramp there so I guess it'll be ok.

JimmyJoe
01-25-2009, 05:12 PM
Anyone have a pic of the new huge banner hanging outside the park?


Hope this is what you were looking for!

Mod edit: NO POLITICS!

soxinem1
01-25-2009, 05:50 PM
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/WHITESOX901/3102086528_83f85dafa8_o.jpg


Wow! When I first saw this picture, I envisioned how cool it would be if The Cell hosted the NHL Outdoor Hockey Classic!!!!!

skobabe8
01-25-2009, 09:57 PM
Hope this is what you were looking for!

Thats the one...thanks! BTW, I LOVE your subs. Oh wait....nevermind.

whitesox901
01-25-2009, 11:50 PM
Hope this is what you were looking for!

uh-oh

skobabe8
01-26-2009, 08:22 PM
Sorry about that JimmyJoe. I didnt mean to set a beartrap like that.

soxfan21
01-27-2009, 12:56 PM
Anyone think that they are going to replace the player banners that hang in front of the Cell? I know the Fisk one was starting to get torn up a little bit, and two others were tattered pretty badly.

ChiSoxFan81
01-27-2009, 07:25 PM
Anyone think that they are going to replace the player banners that hang in front of the Cell? I know the Fisk one was starting to get torn up a little bit, and two others were tattered pretty badly.

I really hope they do something with those. A couple look really bad. Don't know if it's been mentioned, but I read in the paper today that they are redoing the out of town scoreboard.

anewman35
01-27-2009, 07:41 PM
I really hope they do something with those. A couple look really bad. Don't know if it's been mentioned, but I read in the paper today that they are redoing the out of town scoreboard.

Which paper?

Harry Potter
01-27-2009, 09:35 PM
Sun-Times

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/quickhits/1398396,CST-SPT-1hit27.article

Second paragraph

ChiSoxGirl
01-27-2009, 09:44 PM
Sun-Times

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/quickhits/1398396,CST-SPT-1hit27.article

Second paragraph

That's awesome! It's something that's been discussed on this board for at least the last few years. Can't wait to see what it looks like!

chisoxfanatic
01-27-2009, 09:53 PM
That's awesome! It's something that's been discussed on this board for at least the last few years. Can't wait to see what it looks like!
Me too! And, having it where the current out-of-town scoreboard is instead of the outfield wall like a few other ballparks would be great for fans sitting anywhere. All that I ask is that it updates much more regularly than the current out-of-town scoreboard has. Sometimes it seemed as if it would be a half hour or longer before it would be updated.

skobabe8
01-28-2009, 09:08 AM
Good news. Though ball and strike count is overkill, IMO. Hopefully it looks more like the one at PNC Park...

http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.roadsidephotos.com/rp/ballparks/pnc10.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGteTU0QNkbNoTvw82jE9FYa0B-uQ


As opposed to the one at Rogers Centre (couldnt find a great picture)...

http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/images/2005/11/16/VgsMTekw.jpg&usg=AFQjCNEnJtT16NixmpLmFkS2zdD2sCE5wQ

Marqhead
01-28-2009, 09:37 AM
That one at PNC looks great, and would probably fit in well.

Right now if I'm not using my phone, I assume someone scored if they are having a "long" inning. It wil be great to have a much more updated out of town scoreboard.

esbrechtel
01-28-2009, 09:43 AM
Great News! :bandance: I know we have been complaining about it for years!

roylestillman
01-28-2009, 09:54 AM
Hopefully it is not like the one in DC where they run ads on the out of town board between innings. That should be the time you sit back and check scores.

Hitmen77
01-28-2009, 10:37 AM
Sun-Times

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/quickhits/1398396,CST-SPT-1hit27.article

Second paragraph

Cool. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Hopefully the Sox are also exploring ways to solve the problem that the aux scoreboard is obstructed at many seats. There are a number of fans who don't have access to basic game information from their seats because they can't see the aux board and the main board doesn't show current game information.

skobabe8
01-28-2009, 10:59 AM
Cool. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Hopefully the Sox are also exploring ways to solve the problem that the aux scoreboard is obstructed at many seats. There are a number of fans who don't have access to basic game information from their seats because they can't see the aux board and the main board doesn't show current game information.

The solution to the problem.

grv1974
02-01-2009, 02:49 PM
Good news. Though ball and strike count is overkill, IMO. Hopefully it looks more like the one at PNC Park...

http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.roadsidephotos.com/rp/ballparks/pnc10.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGteTU0QNkbNoTvw82jE9FYa0B-uQ




I always liked that one at PNC, too.

grv1974
02-01-2009, 11:33 PM
Does anybody have recent pics of the 35th Street side renovations?

thomas35forever
02-01-2009, 11:41 PM
About time they replaced that scoreboard. I'm glad they've figured out it's not the '90s anymore and just having the scores doesn't cut it anymore. I will definitely be looking forward to seeing that this coming year.

Vernam
02-01-2009, 11:46 PM
Hopefully it is not like the one in DC where they run ads on the out of town board between innings. That should be the time you sit back and check scores.

:reinsy

A "capital" idea!

Vernam

chisoxfanatic
02-01-2009, 11:53 PM
About time they replaced that scoreboard. I'm glad they've figured out it's not the '90s anymore and just having the scores doesn't cut it anymore. I will definitely be looking forward to seeing that this coming year.
Don't tell that to the Red Sox or Cubs. :cool:

thomas35forever
02-02-2009, 12:22 AM
Don't tell that to the Red Sox or Cubs. :cool:
Teams with ballparks built in the 1910s need not apply.

sox102
02-13-2009, 09:11 PM
This picture was taken this past Tuesday by our Operations Manager, who is running the project for my company. All of the curtain wall frames are built and ready to go in our shop. We are just waiting for steel to be done so we can start installing them. Going to be VERY fast schedule. Still don't know how we are going to do it. :o:

hawkjt
02-13-2009, 09:37 PM
what exactly is that structure going to hold?

Thanks for the picture.

sox102
02-13-2009, 10:31 PM
That is the new escalator tower. It will be enclosed with glass on both sides. The new stairs to the main concourse will be too the left where the bridges sticks out.

nug0hs
02-14-2009, 09:22 AM
Valentine's Morning Update:

Was listening to the AM 780 traffic/weather report this morning. They said 35th street is closed from Wentworth to Shields all morning, so it sounds like they're making some progress on the previously discussed updates today.

cwsfannick
02-14-2009, 08:00 PM
what exactly is that structure going to hold?

Thanks for the picture.


Just a guess, but to me it looks like an elevator shaft.

300bowler
02-18-2009, 12:48 PM
I posed something similar to Brooks a few weeks ago, but my idea was a little different. The window design was part of multi-level outfield concourse. He said that was I was proposing would be way too expensive.


But here is my crude design that I came up with about 6-7 years ago. Maye with enough input we could have some tye of arch design out there. It would really help make the side of the park facing the expy more attractive, as well as the inside of the park of course. We had a similar thread regarding this. Some really great ideas.
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=5860&thumb=1&d=1216250646 (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=5860&d=1216250646)

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=103430&page=4

Your design looks cool:gulp:"MMMMMMM Beer" Homer Simpson.

skobabe8
02-20-2009, 03:41 PM
From 2/16/09

sox102
02-20-2009, 03:54 PM
My company will be starting to install clips for our aluminum frames next week, so I will try to get more pictures from the Project Manager then.

Hitmen77
02-20-2009, 04:36 PM
Even though it won't be done this year, is there still a plan to eventually put a bar and/or restaurant and a souvenir shop on the site of the old ramp?

cbotnyse
02-21-2009, 08:09 PM
From 2/16/09whoa, whats going on here?

skobabe8
02-21-2009, 09:05 PM
whoa, whats going on here?

Lots. I tried to find the rendering but I couldnt. Anyone have it handy?

ozzie is god
02-21-2009, 11:27 PM
I work for Walsh and Friday was my first and only day there. I will try to get a picture of what the ramp and resturant are going to look like when we finish.

oeo
02-22-2009, 12:25 AM
Lots. I tried to find the rendering but I couldnt. Anyone have it handy?

These guys?

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2090368&postcount=263

skobabe8
02-22-2009, 12:31 AM
These guys?

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2090368&postcount=263

Not what I was thinking of, but interesting.

oeo
02-22-2009, 12:32 AM
Not what I was thinking of, but interesting.

I don't remember seeing anything else. :dunno:

Thome_Fan
02-22-2009, 07:24 AM
Bests Kosher were the bomb, but I still have sentimental memories of Scott Peterson, too.
:wink:

It's the Sox atmosphere that sells the product. Frankly most ballpark food aspires to mediocrity at best. It's great Sox Park offers such a wide selection of food choices but the food service challenges of preparing top-drawer cuisine simply isn't in the cards.

Sorry, had to make the hot dog joke. :redface:

anewman35
02-22-2009, 09:54 AM
I work for Walsh and Friday was my first and only day there. I will try to get a picture of what the ramp and resturant are going to look like when we finish.

Is the resturant back on, or is that for a future year?

oeo
02-22-2009, 10:08 AM
Is the resturant back on, or is that for a future year?

I thought it was, but just wouldn't be done by Opening Day. The work would be ongoing during the season. I thought that's what sox102 said a couple months ago.

cbotnyse
02-22-2009, 10:23 AM
Any word what restaurant is planned? I'd really like to see a render if anyone can find one.

anewman35
02-22-2009, 10:41 AM
I don't remember seeing anything else. :dunno:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2102105&postcount=457

cbotnyse
02-22-2009, 11:02 AM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2102105&postcount=457 cool thanks. I am a bit confused. It doesnt look like an improvement, they are just redesigning the same thing. :scratch::?:

oeo
02-22-2009, 11:05 AM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2102105&postcount=457

Oh, I did see those. Thanks.

cool thanks. I am a bit confused. It doesnt look like an improvement, they are just redesigning the same thing. :scratch::?:

Make the park look better from the outside?

anewman35
02-22-2009, 11:08 AM
cool thanks. I am a bit confused. It doesnt look like an improvement, they are just redesigning the same thing. :scratch::?:

Well, originally the plans also included a store and a resturaunt, which seems to have been dropped for now. I suspect they'll be added back at a later time, which will make the project seem more worthwhile overall.

Also, there will be elevators, which will help park access, and I think people generally agree that it looks better. The press release for the project (where you can read the justifications the Sox are making for the project) at http://www.isfauthority.com/managex/index.asp?x=172&y=173&y3=250&articlesource=250

cbotnyse
02-22-2009, 11:13 AM
I wouldn't say it looks any better and the only real improvement is increased access for people with disabilities, which is good, but I am very underwhelmed.

anewman35
02-22-2009, 11:18 AM
I wouldn't say it looks any better and the only real improvement is increased access for people with disabilities, which is good, but I am very underwhelmed.

Even if you don't think the design is any better, it'll look better just by virtue of being new. Last year, all the ramps were just a mess of peeling black paint with old blue paint peeking through. Getting rid of a portion of that is an improvement in my book. And, like I said, the signs seem to be that this is just part one of this particular project, so wait til the entire thing is done before you judge too harshly.

cbotnyse
02-22-2009, 11:26 AM
It could have cost a lot less than $15 million to apply some new paint. What is the big need for a "weather protected" escalators? If the weather is bad, getting 30 seconds of protection is worthless if you'll be sitting outside for 9 innings.

anewman35
02-22-2009, 11:50 AM
It could have cost a lot less than $15 million to apply some new paint. What is the big need for a "weather protected" escalators? If the weather is bad, getting 30 seconds of protection is worthless if you'll be sitting outside for 9 innings.

Well, for the third time, I really think you're missing the point. From what I've gathered here (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), the real point of the project was to make room for the new retail development. At some point, due to either time constraints or economic concerns, this was delayed, but it seems really likely it'll happen, either during the season or during an upcoming offseason. It'll be a lot easier in the future to add on to this structure than it would have been to start completly from scratch.

I do think that some of the reasons given in the press release are kind of silly, but they had to say SOMETHING, and obviously they weren't ready to commit to future stages of the project yet.

Edit: See this post: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2095650&postcount=359 for a map of the original plans. It seems really unlikely they'd go ahead with the project at all unless they had a plan to do the other parts, since the other parts seem to be the point. Makes sense to make sure to get the part done that 100% needs to be done to start the season and do the other parts afterwards.

cbotnyse
02-22-2009, 11:58 AM
I understand there might be more to the project, but nothing suggests that besides you saying so. But from what I see right now and whats been announced, this is a complete wasted opportunity.

cbotnyse
02-22-2009, 12:00 PM
Edit: See this post: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2095650&postcount=359 for a map of the original plans. It seems really unlikely they'd go ahead with the project at all unless they had a plan to do the other parts, since the other parts seem to be the point. Makes sense to make sure to get the part done that 100% needs to be done to start the season and do the other parts afterwards.well if they don't finish the project as planned, its a total failure.

oeo
02-22-2009, 12:16 PM
well if they don't finish the project as planned, its a total failure.

If you say so.

cbotnyse
02-22-2009, 12:20 PM
If you say so.sorry, IMO. The new design is not more inviting, architecturally boring and insignificant, and a huge missed opportunity to do something big that would add to the vibrancey of going to a game. This does nothing but move around a ramp or two and shield the fans from the sunshine while riding an escalator.

I really hope there is something more to this.

anewman35
02-22-2009, 12:25 PM
sorry, IMO. The new design is not more inviting, architecturally boring and insignificant, and a huge missed opportunity to do something big that would add to the vibrancey of going to a game. This does nothing but move around a ramp or two and shield the fans from the sunshine while riding an escalator.

I really hope there is something more to this.

It's a ramp. It's not supposed to "add to the vibrancey of going to a game". It's obvious that the Sox know that the Cell isn't perfect, and they've done some massive amounts of work to it, I don't know why you seem so skeptical about there being any future parts to this. It might be a year or two, but it'll happen.

cbotnyse
02-22-2009, 12:44 PM
It's a ramp. It's not supposed to "add to the vibrancey of going to a game". why not? why not incorporate a large indoor/outdoor bar into the plans? have it be an extension of a tailgate in the parking lot? I'd rather see something creative. I just don't see what this adds or how it improves anything.

It's obvious that the Sox know that the Cell isn't perfect, and they've done some massive amounts of work to it, I don't know why you seem so skeptical about there being any future parts to this. It might be a year or two, but it'll happen.well I'm looking at the render, and I don't see where or how this can be improved unless they just continue something all the way to Wentworth, which I think they should. The enclosed escalators makes no sense to me and the staircase is just plain ugly.

DumpJerry
02-22-2009, 12:56 PM
sorry, IMO. The new design is not more inviting, architecturally boring and insignificant, and a huge missed opportunity to do something big that would add to the vibrancey of going to a game. This does nothing but move around a ramp or two and shield the fans from the sunshine while riding an escalator.

I really hope there is something more to this.
Don't worry, I read somewhere the Great America people are opening a new theme park in Lot B.:rolleyes:

cbotnyse
02-22-2009, 12:59 PM
Don't worry, I read somewhere the Great America people are opening a new theme park in Lot B.:rolleyes:excuse me for expecting a little more. Can you tell me how this improves what is already there?

DumpJerry
02-22-2009, 01:06 PM
excuse me for expecting a little more. Can you tell me how this improves what is already there?
Well, you seem to want to be entertained the moment you get within 2 blocks of the ballpark since the Sox game is not enough to keep you happy. I figure that perhaps a bunch of roller coasters and the Batman ride would make you look forward to coming to a Sox game. That's all.

Curses the Illinois Sports Facility Authority for merely building a ramp to get into the building! What were they thinking? Especially in this booming economy where everyone has money burning a hole in their pockets.

cbotnyse
02-22-2009, 01:12 PM
Well, you seem to want to be entertained the moment you get within 2 blocks of the ballpark since the Sox game is not enough to keep you happy. I figure that perhaps a bunch of roller coasters and the Batman ride would make you look forward to coming to a Sox game. That's all.

Curses the Illinois Sports Facility Authority for merely building a ramp to get into the building! What were they thinking? Especially in this booming economy where everyone has money burning a hole in their pockets.exactly. why do this at all if it doesn't improve or add anything?

DumpJerry
02-22-2009, 01:15 PM
exactly. why do this at all if it doesn't improve or add anything?
I was referring to the restaurant/bar that may or may not be in there.

I just love how people (not just you, CBOT) are jumping to conclusions about the Gate V project before we even really know what the end product will be.

cbotnyse
02-22-2009, 01:21 PM
I was referring to the restaurant/bar that may or may not be in there.

I just love how people (not just you, CBOT) are jumping to conclusions about the Gate V project before we even really know what the end product will be.Just because the entire plan may or may not be released, its fair to criticize what we do know. And like I said, I don't see how this poor design can be drastically improved.

roylestillman
02-22-2009, 03:24 PM
I have heard over the years (but never really verified) that the ramps and escalators of USCF were designed and constructed so poorly that they have been trouble from Day 1. Enclosing the escalators was not so much for the fans but for the machinery of the escalators themselves. Just walking up and down the ramps you'll notice they are in constant need of patching. I would think from the shape of it, Gate 3 is next.

Cbot is right. The renovation has all the charm of a tollway oasis, but I think it was a project born out of necessity rather than an attempt to class up the joint. That said, I kind of like that staircase coming off the eastern bridge. I never liked the "eternaramps" where you had to walk three blocks to get down one level.

skobabe8
02-22-2009, 08:28 PM
Oh, I did see those. Thanks.





That's what I was trying to find, oeo.

cbotnyse, I think I understand your point, but I also think your passion for architecture makes your standards a little out of reach. I would love to see something earth-shattering as well, but I am willing to settle for small improvements one by one. I know you don't think it's an improvement at all, but I think it is. I always hated how those ramps blocked the look of the ballpark, so to me taking some of those away is a good thing. I also think this is just the first steps towards additional development in this area, likely the team store and bar.

My simple critique is I wish they would change the green steelwork in the renderings to black to match the rest of the theme of the park.

anewman35
02-22-2009, 09:19 PM
why not? why not incorporate a large indoor/outdoor bar into the plans? have it be an extension of a tailgate in the parking lot? I'd rather see something creative. I just don't see what this adds or how it improves anything.

well I'm looking at the render, and I don't see where or how this can be improved unless they just continue something all the way to Wentworth, which I think they should. The enclosed escalators makes no sense to me and the staircase is just plain ugly.

You ask "why not incorporate a large indoor/outdoor bar into the plans?", when there's perfectly logical answers for that - mainly, time constraits (and maybe money, too). It's obvious to anybody that the only way the plan makes sense is if they do follow through and attach the retail to it, and I'm sure the Sox know that full well. It would be one thing if there weren't plans out there showing that stuff, but considering there are, it will happen. You're like the person who complains about the roster in November. Give it time.

As for what they've done now, I suspect the enclosed escalators might help with maintainece, because it seems to stand to reason that being exposed to the weather all the time might wear on them. And the look is obviously a matter of opinion, but I personally like it, and considering that people generally hate the ramps getting rid of one won't upset too many people. And I like the staircase - walking up one staircase to get to the 100 level will be way less annoying than 4 ramps or whatever. Plus, the new elevators. Sure, $15 million seems like a lot, but it's not actually the Sox paying for it, and it does have some clear benefits, so, yeah.

cbotnyse
02-23-2009, 08:00 AM
I think the glass is more aesthetically pleasing, but the overall design doesn't seem to flow well or complement the stadium. oh well. I'll wait and see the additional plans, but like I said, I dont see how this can be drastically improved. huge missed opportunity.

also, is this taxpayer funded?

roylestillman
02-23-2009, 08:45 AM
I think the glass is more aesthetically pleasing, but the overall design doesn't seem to flow well or complement the stadium. oh well. I'll wait and see the additional plans, but like I said, I dont see how this can be drastically improved. huge missed opportunity.

also, is this taxpayer funded?

Yes. Cue Rick Santelli.

Dat Funky Motion
02-23-2009, 06:42 PM
I think the glass is more aesthetically pleasing, but the overall design doesn't seem to flow well or complement the stadium. oh well. I'll wait and see the additional plans, but like I said, I dont see how this can be drastically improved. huge missed opportunity.

also, is this taxpayer funded?

I heard that it was from the naming rights of the park.

anewman35
02-23-2009, 06:59 PM
I heard that it was from the naming rights of the park.

I think that money is long gone. The ISFA gets money from a bunch of places, including hotel taxes, rent from the Sox, and money from the state.

sox102
02-24-2009, 03:24 PM
picture taken yesterday...

skobabe8
02-24-2009, 04:07 PM
Well that was fast!

fusionspill
03-06-2009, 02:57 PM
anyone else think the east exterior wall of the elevator shaft should have a giant white sox logo?

roylestillman
03-06-2009, 03:25 PM
anyone else think the east exterior wall of the elevator shaft should have a giant white sox logo?

I still miss a simple sign that was on the old park: "Next Series: Yankees May 3, 4, 5 Orioles May 7, 8, 9( D)." A static sign that tells folks on the Ryan when the next Home game is and is not cluttered by other flashing message board nonsense.

whitesox901
03-06-2009, 03:44 PM
so in a nutshell, let me try and figure out this renovation stage

tear down the ramps, and have bridge that goes above the road that starts from across the street, which will allow us to see more of the outside of the Cell that was covered up by the two ramps, thus making the Cell look a whole lot better from the outside and letting the fans get to the ballpark and not have to worry about J-walking or getting hit by a car?

if so, I like it :cool:

anewman35
03-06-2009, 04:13 PM
so in a nutshell, let me try and figure out this renovation stage

tear down the ramps, and have bridge that goes above the road that starts from across the street, which will allow us to see more of the outside of the Cell that was covered up by the two ramps, thus making the Cell look a whole lot better from the outside and letting the fans get to the ballpark and not have to worry about J-walking or getting hit by a car?

if so, I like it :cool:

You realize the bridge was always there, right? And they only tore down one ramp? I think the main goals of this particular project is to make it look better, add some elevators, and most of all prepare the area for the rumored bar/store that'll probably go in next to it.

fusionspill
03-07-2009, 09:13 PM
I still miss a simple sign that was on the old park: "Next Series: Yankees May 3, 4, 5 Orioles May 7, 8, 9( D)." A static sign that tells folks on the Ryan when the next Home game is and is not cluttered by other flashing message board nonsense.

the sign by the ryan is getting to the point of a change soon. Atleast twice a month I see workers replacing bulbs and at the sametime looks faded and out of place compared to how the stadium looks now im sure its getting costly to keep it updated. hopfully next phase does something about it.

anyone else think these upgrades is for the 10th anniversary since the old Comiskey Park?

Frater Perdurabo
03-08-2009, 09:29 AM
anyone else think these upgrades is for the 10th anniversary since the old Comiskey Park?

You mean the 20th Anniversary? :redface:

sox102
03-09-2009, 09:44 AM
picture taken 2/28

sox102
03-09-2009, 09:46 AM
picture taken 3/4

esbrechtel
03-09-2009, 09:47 AM
I think that money is long gone. The ISFA gets money from a bunch of places, including hotel taxes, rent from the Sox, and money from the state.


I dont think all that money is gone...doesn't US Cellular pay a set ammount every year to have their name on the building? I think when the naming rights is sold it isn't a lump sum type of thing...

sox102
03-09-2009, 09:48 AM
picture taken 3/5

soxfan21
03-09-2009, 10:48 AM
Went past the place this past Saturday, the glass structure that is facing 35th looks pretty sweet, and the escalators are up inside. All in all it looks like things are coming together and hopefully they will have it looking really good come April 6th.

roylestillman
03-09-2009, 11:09 AM
I dont think all that money is gone...doesn't US Cellular pay a set ammount every year to have their name on the building? I think when the naming rights is sold it isn't a lump sum type of thing...

The Sox and the ISFA floated a $63 million bond issue after the US Cellular deal was signed. They are using the annual payment to pay the principal and interest on that bond issue.

fusionspill
03-09-2009, 05:07 PM
You mean the 20th Anniversary? :redface:

oups, that was typo
for some odd reason from 1991-99 seemed to have been a blur to me :gulp:

Frater Perdurabo
03-09-2009, 07:08 PM
oups, that was typo
for some odd reason from 1991-99 seemed to have been a blur to me :gulp:

I can see why we'd want to forget 95, 98 and 99, but they were competitive in 91, 92, 93, 94, 96 and 97. :smile:

Fenway
03-11-2009, 05:33 PM
Fenway, the bigger question is: what does the new out-of-town scoreboard look like?

Oh that.... :tongue:

Board is by White Way but has full video

interesting game as a lot of DH's in lineup :tongue:

DumpJerry
03-11-2009, 05:37 PM
Oh that.... :tongue:

Board is by White Way but has full video

interesting game as a lot of DH's in lineup :tongue:
Looks sweet. Will that normally have out of town games on it and not the Sox game? Or is this a supplemental in-game scoreboard? Also, will it always be 100 degrees at Comiskey this year?

Fenway
03-11-2009, 05:51 PM
Looks sweet. Will that normally have out of town games on it and not the Sox game? Or is this a supplemental in-game scoreboard? Also, will it always be 100 degrees at Comiskey this year?


I'm guessing the lineups will be up all the time and the middle part will be where the out of town scores live with possibly replays of other games. The board is full video.

looks like JR bought the Royals too :)

SOXfnNlansing
03-11-2009, 05:54 PM
What's cool is they put pitch count and pitch speed on the top corner. It'll be alot easier to see that. Where my seats are, there is a flower basket that blocks my view of the speed gun. Interesting line up they had on there also. I wonder if we should read into the Wise and Getz on the board.

BleacherBandit
03-11-2009, 05:55 PM
I'm liking the idea of AJ leading off. Why didn't I think of that?!

anewman35
03-11-2009, 06:24 PM
Very nice. None of the boards we have now have dedicated fields for anything, so it gives them a lot of flexibility, I just hope they use it wisely for actual information and not just fill them with ads and graphics (as, sadly, the ribbon boards are most of the time).

scarsofthumper
03-11-2009, 06:31 PM
that looks amazing.

soxfan21
03-11-2009, 06:46 PM
The pictures look great Fenway, can't wait to see that board come to life on Opening Day :bandance:.

hi im skot
03-11-2009, 06:53 PM
Oh that.... :tongue:

Board is by White Way but has full video

interesting game as a lot of DH's in lineup :tongue:

Thanks Fenway!

thomas35forever
03-11-2009, 07:23 PM
Awesome new scoreboard. My question is what will the left side of the graphics board in leftfield be used for now? Surely they wouldn't have the lineups in two places.

anewman35
03-11-2009, 08:08 PM
Awesome new scoreboard. My question is what will the left side of the graphics board in leftfield be used for now? Surely they wouldn't have the lineups in two places.

Well, they could just go back to using the entire width of the board like they used to. If you recall, at the same time they changed the board in center (2003 maybe?) they changed the board in left - it used to have permanent spots for lineups (numbers and positions only) on the sides and umpires on the bottom.

http://home.n00.itscom.net/kbt-t/jpg_mlb_al/comiskey9711.jpg

They made the board a little bigger, but removed the spots on the sides, so they had to list it like they do now. But it's just a big blank board, so it shouldn't be a problem to just make things bigger/more readable.

ChiSoxGirl
03-11-2009, 08:13 PM
The pictures look great Fenway, can't wait to see that board come to life on Opening Day :bandance:.

Me, too! Just seeing recent pictures of inside the ballpark gets me all giddy for April 6, also known as Christmas Day to baseball fans. :smile:

whitesox901
03-11-2009, 08:29 PM
wow that looks awesome!

edit: without the shrubs, the crowd, and the padding on the outfield..the Cell looks dead :(:

ChiSoxGirl
03-11-2009, 08:44 PM
wow that looks awesome!

edit: without the shrubs, the crowd, and the padding on the outfield..the Cell looks dead :(:

You're very observant... I didn't even notice that! :tongue:

chisoxfanatic
03-11-2009, 08:50 PM
Awesome new scoreboard. My question is what will the left side of the graphics board in leftfield be used for now? Surely they wouldn't have the lineups in two places.
They'll colorize it and air all Blackhawks playoff games so that fans can watch both games at the same time. :D:

Those photos look great, Fens. I'd imagine its use will be similar to the one at Busch (advertising during pitching changes and between innings).

Hitmen77
03-11-2009, 11:09 PM
Oh that.... :tongue:

Board is by White Way but has full video

interesting game as a lot of DH's in lineup :tongue:

Wow! Thanks for the picture. That is cool! :gulp:

Looks sweet. Will that normally have out of town games on it and not the Sox game? Or is this a supplemental in-game scoreboard? Also, will it always be 100 degrees at Comiskey this year? :redneck

RedHeadPaleHoser
03-12-2009, 07:22 AM
Nice pics Fens!!! Awesome!

I guess BA will play all the positions, if everyone else DH's. :D:

Fisk Fan
03-12-2009, 07:50 AM
I was in there yesterday and snapped this photo of the board. I was also told it would be updated real-time through the same service that does cbs and espn. FWIW.

esbrechtel
03-12-2009, 07:56 AM
The park looks great....so close to opening day! :bandance:

SoxFan78
03-12-2009, 08:20 AM
Thanks for all the great pictures. The one thing I wanted changed in the park was the 1990's out of town scoreboard, and its exactly what I thought it would be.

Now the stats on the board however are not promising...

anewman35
03-12-2009, 08:51 AM
I was in there yesterday and snapped this photo of the board. I was also told it would be updated real-time through the same service that does cbs and espn. FWIW.

That looks very nice. It's a shame they couldn't have made it bigger (taking out an ad board) and shown more than four at a time, but I suppose we all know why they didn't. It'll also be nice to have constant batting and pitching stats up (if they indeed keep that format) but it still seems strange to me that you'd have to look two places to get all the key information for our game (since line score and the count will still be in left) and they couldn't find a way to keep it all together. Eh, I'll just hope we do this scoreboard makeover in left next year and it'll all be a moot point.

skobabe8
03-12-2009, 09:56 AM
They could have at least made it as big as the board itself, without that green border going all the way around it. :scratch:

soulfly
03-12-2009, 10:31 AM
The stadium just keeps getting better and better!

sox102
03-12-2009, 11:03 AM
Pictures taken Tuesday afternoon.
Think there are enough lifts on site? :o:

grv1974
03-12-2009, 12:31 PM
Oh that.... :tongue:

Board is by White Way but has full video

interesting game as a lot of DH's in lineup :tongue:

Is it possible they've painted the remaining silver dark green on the bleachers? It definitely looks like it from Fenway's shots on page 13 of this thread. I say this because, until last year, the seats didn't appear as dark as the other seats because they had only painted the seat and seat back portions of the bleachers dark green and left the other metal parts alone (thus giving it that sort of hazy green-silver look). :scratch:

Rocky Soprano
03-12-2009, 12:36 PM
Is it possible they've painted the remaining silver dark green on the bleachers? It definitely looks like it from Fenway's shots on page 13 of this thread. I say this because, until last year, the seats didn't appear as dark as the other seats because they had only painted the seat and seat back portions of the bleachers dark green and left the other metal parts alone (thus giving it that sort of hazy green-silver look). :scratch:

They painted the bleachers? I thought all the seats were brand new?

Jerko
03-12-2009, 12:37 PM
It's gonna suck. 100 degrees? Sox and Royals using the same lineup? AJ leading off? Wasserman in in the fifth with no score? Very inaccurate. But, if Wasserman can hit 100 MPH on his 100th pitch, we may have something here! I like it.

grv1974
03-12-2009, 12:50 PM
It's gonna suck. 100 degrees? Sox and Royals using the same lineup? AJ leading off? Wasserman in in the fifth with no score? Very inaccurate. But, if Wasserman can hit 100 MPH on his 100th pitch, we may have something here! I like it.


:rolling:

oeo
03-12-2009, 12:50 PM
They painted the bleachers? I thought all the seats were brand new?

Yeah, I think you're right. I don't know what he's talking about, I always just figured the bleachers looked lighter than the other seats (even when they were blue) because they were not the same seats. Same color, just looks a little lighter from a distance.

whitesox901
03-12-2009, 12:54 PM
it seems like the bleachers in section 160 sit lower, but I sat there once and it seem like they were any lower than any other section, but when I see a pic of them it make me wonder...

grv1974
03-12-2009, 12:56 PM
They painted the bleachers? I thought all the seats were brand new?

Yeah, they were new bleachers and all, but they came as just unpainted, metal-colored. And, I think they only painted the seats and seat backs dark green, initially. Whereas now, it looks like they might have painted the other portions in order to give it a more solid dark green appearance in order to match the regular seats.

grv1974
03-12-2009, 01:01 PM
Yeah, I think you're right. I don't know what he's talking about, I always just figured the bleachers looked lighter than the other seats (even when they were blue) because they were not the same seats. Same color, just looks a little lighter from a distance.

Yeah, that's what I thought, too, about them looking lighter than the other seats because they were different from the regular seats..............but look at Fenway's new pics. Something has changed about them (and I don't think it's just the angle or lighting)

oeo
03-12-2009, 01:06 PM
Yeah, that's what I thought, too, about them looking lighter than the other seats because they were different from the regular seats..............but look at Fenway's new pics. Something has changed about them (and I don't think it's just the angle or lighting)

I think they look the same. :dunno:

Although, if you know for a fact that they were not painted completely, then maybe they did do something. I haven't seen the bleachers, however.

grv1974
03-12-2009, 01:06 PM
I only say the above because I suggested this to Brooks this offseason, and I'm just wondering.........

grv1974
03-12-2009, 01:11 PM
I think they look the same. :dunno:

Although, if you know for a fact that they were not painted completely, then maybe they did do something. I haven't seen the bleachers, however.

Yup, I did. I probably should've prefaced that I knew this....

grv1974
03-12-2009, 02:18 PM
Okay, I just heard back from Brooks, and he said they're the same as when they were installed. Crap, I was hoping they had done something. Oh well. Mystery solved.

Medford Bobby
03-12-2009, 10:20 PM
Me, too! Just seeing recent pictures of inside the ballpark gets me all giddy for April 6, also known as Christmas Day to baseball fans. :smile:
That's very true, I'd rather work on Christmas, but Opening Day is a true celebration of life starting all over again....:gulp:

Medford Bobby
03-12-2009, 10:30 PM
picture taken 3/4
The old Comiskey Park tree is still there.....
http://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/parkinglot2.jpghttp://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/destruction.jpg:bandance:

skobabe8
03-13-2009, 07:49 AM
The old Comiskey Park tree is still there.....
http://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/parkinglot2.jpg:bandance:

It is still there, but I wouldnt use that picture for proof since it looks pretty old.

sox102's picture with all of the lifts shows a tree in the background, however. So yes, it's still there.

bigsoxfan420
03-13-2009, 08:26 AM
Are you sure that's the same tree? The diameter looks smaller now than in it was back then.

oeo
03-13-2009, 08:45 AM
Are you sure that's the same tree? The diameter looks smaller now than in it was back then.

Maybe because it's zoomed out more?

That's some wild **** if that tree is an exact clone of the one from 20 years ago.

bigsoxfan420
03-13-2009, 08:56 AM
Maybe because it's zoomed out more?

That's some wild **** if that tree is an exact clone of the one from 20 years ago.

If that is the same tree; that is pretty awesome that the Sox decided to protect it.

oeo
03-13-2009, 08:59 AM
If that is the same tree; that is pretty awesome that the Sox decided to protect it.

How could it not be? Look at the left side of it. It has the noticeable jut in the upper left.

Fenway
03-13-2009, 09:12 AM
I always stop by the tree to say Hi and I was very happy to see they took special care to protect it.

sox102
03-13-2009, 09:22 AM
It is the same tree. Our Project Manager says the tree has barricades around it to protect it. Same thing with the original home plate location.

SoxFan78
03-13-2009, 09:26 AM
Its the same tree because it still has the sign hanging on it. And that sign looks REALLY old.

sox25
03-16-2009, 10:56 AM
( I encorouge people to by Sox stuff at the park b/c the sox get 100% of profit)

Revenue from MLB merch is split evenly among all thirty teams.

oeo
03-26-2009, 11:59 PM
There's a gallery on whitesox.com of the renovations:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/photogallery/year_2009/month_03/day_26/cf4070568.html

Looks good.

whitesox901
03-27-2009, 12:10 AM
can't wait to see the ol' girl April 9th :gulp:

sox102
03-27-2009, 08:42 AM
I've got some AWESOME overhead shots, but I don't think I'm allowed to post them since Walsh Construction hired someone to take them.

grv1974
03-27-2009, 08:48 AM
I've got some AWESOME overhead shots, but I don't think I'm allowed to post them since Walsh Construction hired someone to take them.

Nah, don't let that stop ya. Post away, my friend.

chisoxfanatic
03-27-2009, 08:59 AM
It seems like this stuff is covering up the outer beauty of the ballpark about as much as the previous ramps. I was hoping that wouldn't be the case.

Red Barchetta
03-27-2009, 08:59 AM
There's a gallery on whitesox.com of the renovations:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/photogallery/year_2009/month_03/day_26/cf4070568.html

Looks good.

I agree, however that makes the older ramps look like more of an eyesore. I always said, Comiskey II (The Cell) is a nice looking park, too bad you can't see it!

Hard to believe the park is almost 20 years old already....

LoveYourSuit
03-27-2009, 09:35 AM
That thing is looking sharp!

Would have been nice to see that restaurant go up also, is that still in the plans?

cbotnyse
03-27-2009, 09:41 AM
There's a gallery on whitesox.com of the renovations:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/photogallery/year_2009/month_03/day_26/cf4070568.html

Looks good.The glass is nice. So far, it is shaping up better than the render. Still crossing my fingers for the rest of the plans.

sox102
03-27-2009, 09:42 AM
That thing is looking sharp!

Would have been nice to see that restaurant go up also, is that still in the plans?

I think either during the season or next offseason. We were supposed to bid that about a month after we got the glass package for this phase, but nothing ever came out.

grv1974
03-27-2009, 11:32 AM
It seems like this stuff is covering up the outer beauty of the ballpark about as much as the previous ramps. I was hoping that wouldn't be the case.

Yeah, it definitely still covers things up. And it doesn't match either. I actually sent Brooks an email suggesting that they cover the outsides of the walk ramps with banners....

Law11
03-27-2009, 03:28 PM
I really dont know what I was expecting but i see the gallery posted and go. ehh whatever.. Unless I park on the N side of the park it doesnt matter anyway.

nitetrain8601
03-27-2009, 06:53 PM
Glass looks better because you could actually see outside and a view of downtown. I know a lot of people, even here complaining about how the park doesn't face the downtown area and how they were happy the ramp gave you a great view of downtown.

TomBradley72
03-28-2009, 10:10 AM
I went by the park yesterday, and they were working on replacing the ragged/torn pictures of the "All Time White Sox" that was on the exterior of the ballpark down the 1st baseline with a "Welcome to US Cellular Field" banner.

As far the new construction project goes and any changes to the ramps...I just with they had found a way incorporate the "Comiskey Park arches" into the design somehow. To me that is the signature image that is unique to a White Sox ballpark.

schach
03-28-2009, 07:35 PM
I almost wonder if some of the design on the exterior of the new building is a sign of what later plans will be for the exterior of the actual ballpark itself.

sox102
03-28-2009, 07:59 PM
The architect on this renovation is not the same architect that did the original park. That could be why.

sox102
03-30-2009, 03:02 PM
taken last Friday

Red Barchetta
03-30-2009, 05:10 PM
taken last Friday

Thanks! It really makes the older ramps look bad. It sort of has a "Millenium Park" look to it.

NorthSideSox72
04-01-2009, 11:12 AM
Anyone heard if Gate 5 will be open for Opening Day? I paged back through the thread and didn't see anything recent about that (maybe I missed it). Its our usual gate, so, just curious.