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AzureJazzMan
11-26-2008, 04:22 PM
Here is the link...It's a few paragraphs down.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081124&content_id=3690835&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

So, Wren spoke with Kenny about Javy and Dye? With all the latest speculation of Dye going to Cinci what would the Braves be willing to give up for Vazquez.

After looking around the Braves message boards, a lot of them were saying they would give up Kelly Johnson and another prospect or two for him.

So, after some consideration, I propose...

To the Braves...

Vazquez

for

Gregor Blanco CF (or Kelly Johnson) + James Parr SP (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/Parr%20http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=James%20Parr&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=444970)

Now, I don't know that they would give up Parr as easily, so perhaps we'd have to throw them someone else to get the deal done. The question would be, who?

CashMan
11-26-2008, 04:24 PM
Here is the link...It's a few paragraphs down.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081124&content_id=3690835&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

So, Wren spoke with Kenny about Javy and Dye? With all the latest speculation of Dye going to Cinci what would the Braves be willing to give up for Vazquez.

After looking around the Braves message boards, a lot of them were saying they would give up Kelly Johnson and another prospect or two for him.

So, after some consideration, I propose...

To the Braves...

Vazquez

for

Gregor Blanco CF (or Kelly Johnson) + James Parr SP

Now, I don't know that they would give up Parr as easily, so perhaps we'd have to throw them someone else to get the deal done. The question would be, who?

I don't like the idea of taking a pitching prospect from the Braves. They spend a lot of scouting, so I feel, if they are willing to part, they know something.

KRS1
11-26-2008, 04:50 PM
So, after some consideration, I propose...


and I propose that message board proposal's are officially hilarious.

tm1119
11-26-2008, 07:48 PM
Dont like Blanco at all. Hes got the speed of a corner OF and very little power. Not a very good combo.

But yeah i think we could pull off a trade of Johnson or Lillibridge and either Parr or Charlie Morton for Javy. Id be pretty happy with that return as well, highly doubt any other team matches up better given our need at 2B and the always needed young pitching.

Ok after some research i realize that Blanco isnt as slow as i thought. But still dont like him. He hit .250 with only 19 of his 108 hits went for extra bases. I honestly think Jerry Owens could do that with more speed and 3x the SB's.

soxwon
11-26-2008, 09:10 PM
My phoenix friend Lets call Him Mr T, has a close friend in the Angel organization, the latest rumor he heard was vazquez-jenks to the Mets for 2 players (unknown)
Than the sox will sign K-Rod!!!!
im not buying this, but it would be a swell deal huh?

cbrownson13
11-26-2008, 09:15 PM
My phoenix friend Lets call Him Mr T, has a close friend in the Angel organization, the latest rumor he heard was vazquez-jenks to the Mets for 2 players (unknown)
Than the sox will sign K-Rod!!!!
im not buying this, but it would be a swell deal huh?

I think the Mets are hell bent on finding a closer through free agency. Why would they trade players for a closer when there are so many ones that are free agents?

The Sox are not going to pay that kind of money for a closer. Period. Kenny has already said that the White Sox are lowering payroll. Plus, I'm not so sure I can cheer for a guy that acts the way he does on the mound.

btrain929
11-26-2008, 09:15 PM
My phoenix friend Lets call Him Mr T, has a close friend in the Angel organization, the latest rumor he heard was vazquez-jenks to the Mets for 2 players (unknown)
Than the sox will sign K-Rod!!!!
im not buying this, but it would be a swell deal huh?

Are you making fun of someone on here, or did this really happen?

btrain929
11-26-2008, 09:25 PM
I think the Mets are hell bent on finding a closer through free agency. Why would they trade players for a closer when there are so many ones that are free agents?

The only reason it'd make sense for the Mets is because the closers like K-Rod and Fuentes should make around 13-15 million a year, when Jenks would only cost them 4-5 million. The players they'd be trading wouldn't include Reyes, Wright, Santana, or Beltran, so it might not hurt the big league squad THAT much, if at all.

KW has been scouting the Mets' prospects pretty hard though in the AFL. I'm not impressed at all with Parnell, but Kunz was a 1st rounder in '07. Outside of them, I'm intrigued by Niese, Murphy (of course), Carp, and Evans. If somehow we could get Pelfrey or Maine out of the deal, that'd be great, but I think unlikely.

turners56
11-27-2008, 09:25 AM
Kelly Johnson would fill the hole at 2B nicely. I wouldn't mind such a trade.

WhiteSoxFan84
11-27-2008, 11:48 AM
Kelly Johnson would fill the hole at 2B nicely. I wouldn't mind such a trade.

id do vazquez for johnson straight up. as long as we go out and use the money we saved from the trade and a bit more (annually) on ben sheets :D:

soxwon
11-27-2008, 12:07 PM
Are you making fun of someone on here, or did this really happen?

no fun, a friend knows an Angel and thats what he told him.
Wheres otis?

DaveFeelsRight
11-27-2008, 04:03 PM
according to baseball-reference:

Similar Batters Compare Stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=johnske05:Kelly+Johnson&st=career)



Stephen Drew (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/drewst01.shtml) (959)
Gene Green (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/greenge01.shtml) (949)
Junior Spivey (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/spiveju01.shtml) (949)
B.J. Upton (http://www.baseball-reference.com/u/uptonbj01.shtml) (948)
Bill Serena (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/serenbi01.shtml) (948)
Kenji Johjima (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/johjike01.shtml) (943)
Wilson Betemit (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/betemwi01.shtml) (941)
Russell Martin (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/martiru01.shtml) (941)
Troy Tulowitzki (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/tulowtr01.shtml) (941)
Jocko Fields (http://www.baseball-reference.com/f/fieldjo01.shtml) (938)

why get johnson when we already have betemit!

CashMan
11-27-2008, 04:30 PM
id do vazquez for johnson straight up. as long as we go out and use the money we saved from the trade and a bit more (annually) on ben sheets :D:


So, you want a pitcher who was having arm problems last year, and who can't seem to pitch an entire year healthy?

...
11-27-2008, 04:45 PM
So, you want a pitcher who was having arm problems last year, and who can't seem to pitch an entire year healthy?

It that any worse than a pitcher with head problems??? Sheets put up stellar numbers last year while pitching nearly 200 innings.

Tragg
11-27-2008, 06:49 PM
We don't need middle infielders.

CashMan
11-27-2008, 06:55 PM
It that any worse than a pitcher with head problems??? Sheets put up stellar numbers last year while pitching nearly 200 innings.

I like Sheets, I would LOVE to have him, but I thought they were talking about having arm surgery with him. Perhaps that has died down since he is looking for a contract. With that said, I would rather have someone as my 4th starter who can actually make it to the mound then someone who cannot. I thought his forearm was tightening up during the middle of the season.

btrain929
11-27-2008, 07:15 PM
I like Sheets, I would LOVE to have him, but I thought they were talking about having arm surgery with him. Perhaps that has died down since he is looking for a contract. With that said, I would rather have someone as my 4th starter who can actually make it to the mound then someone who cannot. I thought his forearm was tightening up during the middle of the season.

I don't know how much he'd cost, but I'd rather have an ace for 2/3rds of the year than a mediocre-below average pitcher for an entire year. It would be a good way to mix in Richard or Marquez: if Sheets lands on the DL or we want to let him skip a start here or there.

jabrch
11-28-2008, 12:59 PM
I don't know how much he'd cost, but I'd rather have an ace for 2/3rds of the year than a mediocre-below average pitcher for an entire year. It would be a good way to mix in Richard or Marquez: if Sheets lands on the DL or we want to let him skip a start here or there.

The "ace" in question has a career 3.72 in the NL and is always hurt. No thanks - I'll stick with Javy over that.

If you want an injured Ace who likely won't make it all year, you can probably get Mark Prior for fairly cheap. Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling are looking for work. Threre are loads of options that won't require a big contract for many years like Sheets.

hellview
11-30-2008, 02:13 PM
We don't need middle infielders.

Right and who's playing along with Alexei up the middle?

whitesox901
11-30-2008, 02:32 PM
My phoenix friend Lets call Him Mr T, has a close friend in the Angel organization, the latest rumor he heard was vazquez-jenks to the Mets for 2 players (unknown)
Than the sox will sign K-Rod!!!!
im not buying this, but it would be a swell deal huh?

In theory the Sox should sigh Fuentes and K-Rod. Then we can have the Mets by the balls in trade talks. And if they dont like our trade ideals, we can trade them to another team, Im guessing alot of teams need closers.

hellview
11-30-2008, 02:33 PM
In theory the Sox should sigh Fuentes and K-Rod. Then we can have the Mets by the balls in trade talks. And if they dont like our trade ideals, we can trade them to another team, Im guessing alot of teams need closers.

You can't do that...

whitesox901
11-30-2008, 02:35 PM
You can't do that...

MLB restrictions or just morals?

Tragg
11-30-2008, 02:41 PM
Right and who's playing along with Alexei up the middle?
Getz; Our best prospect is a middle infielder. There are some fAs. They aren't htat hard to find.
I certainly wouldn't create a hole in the rotation or dump one of our best hitters to get an Tad "no value" Iguchi clone like Johnson. He's nothing special.

hellview
11-30-2008, 02:42 PM
MLB restrictions or just morals?

MLB restrictions

hellview
11-30-2008, 02:43 PM
Getz; Our best prospect is a middle infielder. There are some fAs. They aren't htat hard to find.
I certainly wouldn't create a hole in the rotation or dump one of our best hitters to get an Tad "no value" Iguchi clone like Johnson. He's nothing special.

Getz has no business ever being a mlb regular and Beckham hasn't taken one at bat above low-A.

whitesox901
11-30-2008, 02:48 PM
MLB restrictions

Damn :tongue:

Craig Grebeck
11-30-2008, 02:52 PM
Getz has no business ever being a mlb regular and Beckham hasn't taken one at bat above low-A.
He's a 2nd baseman -- it doesn't take much to be adequate there offensively.

btrain929
11-30-2008, 02:53 PM
Getz has no business ever being a mlb regular and Beckham hasn't taken one at bat above low-A.

Based on...

russ99
12-01-2008, 12:23 PM
He's a 2nd baseman -- it doesn't take much to be adequate there offensively.

Yeah, but then add in Anderson's offensive inadequacies and Fields' defensive ones. 2B (or SS) may be the easier spot to fill with a good experienced pro than the others, and could also fix our leadoff problem.