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Sockinchisox
11-18-2008, 01:17 PM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1285443,ryan-dempster-cubs-contract-re-sign-111808.article

4 yrs, 52 mil.

palehozenychicty
11-18-2008, 01:22 PM
I wonder if this takes them out of the race for Peavy. He got market value, but it's not clear if he can be that good again as a starter. Good for him to cash in.

esbrechtel
11-18-2008, 02:10 PM
Really no surprise....good for him to make some $ while he could

whitesox901
11-18-2008, 02:58 PM
Isnt it obvious, the Garbage Hole needs it Dumpster

MHOUSE
11-18-2008, 04:34 PM
The first "big name" FA pitcher is off the market (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3710712) for 4 years and $52 million. It's not as big of a deal as I thought he might get, but I doubt he'll be worth $13.5 million in 2011. We shouldn't mind teeing off on him again next year.

oeo
11-18-2008, 04:36 PM
This is going to blow up in their faces.

turners56
11-18-2008, 04:36 PM
I guess he really didn't want to go anywhere else. That's a pretty big discount. He could of gotten Burnett money.

gogosox16
11-18-2008, 04:36 PM
This is going to blow up in their faces.
Couldn't agree anymore. 1 year wonder.

rdwj
11-18-2008, 04:38 PM
Couldn't agree anymore. 1 year wonder.

I hope so

thomas35forever
11-18-2008, 04:40 PM
I'm guessing they won't go after Peavy now. Could be wrong though.

PaleHoser
11-18-2008, 04:40 PM
2006 Record: 1-9
2007 Record: 2-7
2008 Record: 17-6

Lifetime Record: 76-81

I'll get a good belly-laugh when he returns to form.

"It isn't the high price of stars that is expensive, it's the high price of mediocrity." - Bill Veeck

soxfan43
11-18-2008, 04:47 PM
Couldn't agree anymore. 1 year wonder.

He's a decent pitcher, but I don't think he'll ever have another year like 2008. Buehrle got 4-56 when he re-signed, how do you guys think Dumpster vs Buehrle over the next few years will compare?

oeo
11-18-2008, 04:54 PM
He's a decent pitcher, but I don't think he'll ever have another year like 2008. Buehrle got 4-56 when he re-signed, how do you guys think Dumpster vs Buehrle over the next few years will compare?

Well if we're judging off of careers, Buehrle. The guy has been steady throughout his career.

I find it hard to justify rewarding a guy like Dempster after one year. I mean the Cubs were in a tough spot, but you've got to at least try to knock that down to 2 (max 3) years. If someone wanted to offer more than that, then say good bye...too risky.

The 2009 Cubs could be a complete disaster. Harden will almost surely miss time, and Zambrano, while a horse throughout his career, was showing signs of wear and tear down the stretch last year. Then you've got Dempster, who if you think you're going to get a 2008 performance out of, you're crazy. That rotation could turn into garbage fest.

PaleHoser
11-18-2008, 04:54 PM
how do you guys think Dumpster vs Buehrle over the next few years will compare?

I think Buehrle will win 25 more games than Dempster over the next four years, assuming Dempster stays as a starter. Move Dempster to the bullpen and they'll finish even in the loss column.

soxfan43
11-18-2008, 05:00 PM
He's Canadian right? I wonder if the hawk's resurgence had anything to do with him wanting to stay in Chicago?

MUsoxfan
11-18-2008, 05:05 PM
Good deal for Dempster. He probably could have received a bigger contract elsewhere

turners56
11-18-2008, 05:13 PM
2006 Record: 1-9
2007 Record: 2-7
2008 Record: 17-6

Lifetime Record: 76-81

I'll get a good belly-laugh when he returns to form.

"It isn't the high price of stars that is expensive, it's the high price of mediocrity." - Bill Veeck

He was a closer in 06 and 07. You can't put those records in perspective.

russ99
11-18-2008, 05:22 PM
I wonder if this takes them out of the race for Peavy. He got market value, but it's not clear if he can be that good again as a starter. Good for him to cash in.

They weren't in the Peavy race to begin with. That's all conjecture. Towers was very clear as to what he wants in return and the Cubs don't have it. End of story. It's still going to come down to Braves vs. Dodgers, and Towers will wait until the FA pitchers start signing so he can maximize the return.

This signing moves the conversation more along the lines of can they afford Dunn or Abreu for LF or do they have to settle for Ibaņez.

jonred
11-18-2008, 05:28 PM
2006 Record: 1-9
2007 Record: 2-7
2008 Record: 17-6

Lifetime Record: 76-81

I'll get a good belly-laugh when he returns to form.

"It isn't the high price of stars that is expensive, it's the high price of mediocrity." - Bill Veeck

It's a little mis-leading to compare W/L record as a closer and then as a starter, don't you think?

doublem23
11-18-2008, 05:59 PM
It's a little mis-leading to compare W/L record as a closer and then as a starter, don't you think?

It's silly to judge a pitcher's performance on their W/L record, anyway.

PennStater98r
11-18-2008, 06:41 PM
So, let's judge him on how well he did in Game 1 of the post season this year - he earned every penny of that money in my book in that game - Cubs are going back to their 'old ways.' Thank goodness.

btrain929
11-18-2008, 06:49 PM
I'm just intrigued to see exactly how different the Cubs of 2009 will look in comparison to the Cubs of 2008. A lot of people speculate that they'll be big players for a lot of FA's (Furcal, Abreu, etc), but my guess is the team is going to be pretty damn similar.

I don't know how much payroll they are going to add (if they are at all), but just with the players on the team now, Dempster's new contract, and assuming they don't resign Wood, they are going up in payroll by approximately 26 million :o: solely in player raises. I'd imagine that trades (for a RF: Giles, Teahan, etc) would be their only route to go to make any changes to their lineup with this in mind.

And if hardly any changes are made, I find it hard to believe a team that has been swept out of 2 straight postseasons somehow just "finds it" and suddenly go all the way.

alohafri
11-18-2008, 06:57 PM
We all sang Konerko's praises when he stayed with the White Sox for less money than he could have gotten elsewhere. I don't like him or the cubs, but I respect him for doing the same as Paulie.

btrain929
11-18-2008, 07:07 PM
We all sang Konerko's praises when he stayed with the White Sox for less money than he could have gotten elsewhere. I don't like him or the cubs, but I respect him for doing the same as Paulie.

I personally don't think he gave the Cubs THAT much of a discount. 13 mil a year for 4 years? I thought that was going to be the offers from other teams, and he was going to stay with the Cubs for 3/33 or 4/40.

soltrain21
11-18-2008, 07:16 PM
We all sang Konerko's praises when he stayed with the White Sox for less money than he could have gotten elsewhere. I don't like him or the cubs, but I respect him for doing the same as Paulie.

Haven't you realized that you can't post here unless you absolutely despise everything the Cubs do and think that they are the worst franchise in the history of everything?

turners56
11-18-2008, 07:28 PM
It's silly to judge a pitcher's performance on their W/L record, anyway.

True that.

alohafri
11-18-2008, 09:48 PM
Haven't you realized that you can't post here unless you absolutely despise everything the Cubs do and think that they are the worst franchise in the history of everything?

Hey, I insulted them by saying that I didn't like them or Dumpster. :redneck

Brian26
11-18-2008, 10:19 PM
We all sang Konerko's praises when he stayed with the White Sox for less money than he could have gotten elsewhere. I don't like him or the cubs, but I respect him for doing the same as Paulie.

Konerko re-signed after the 2005 season while carrying the Sox to the World Series title with five huge post-season homers and a cumulative 81 homers over the '04 and '05 seasons. On top of that, he gave Jerry the ball.

Dumpster had one good season at home, made a ridiculous, embarrassing prediction before the season even started about guaranteeing the Cubs would win the Series, and then absolutely tanked in his one playoff appearance.

Dumpster should have offered to work for free this year.

ChiSoxFan81
11-18-2008, 10:19 PM
If you look up "career year" in the dictionary, there is a picture of Ryan Dempster in his 2008 Cubs uniform.

MHOUSE
11-18-2008, 10:54 PM
If you look up "career year" in the dictionary, there is a picture of Ryan Dempster in his 2008 Cubs uniform.

True story.

2000 33G 14-10 3.66 ERA 226.1 IP
2001 34G 15-12 4.94 ERA 211.1 IP
2002 33G 10-13 5.35 ERA 209.0 IP

2008 33G 17-6 2.96 ERA 206.2 IP

His last healthy, effective 3-year stretch started 8 years ago when he was 23. You never know, but I'd bank on him being a $14 million mop-up reliever by 2012.

Madscout
11-18-2008, 11:18 PM
True story.

2000 33G 14-10 3.66 ERA 226.1 IP
2001 34G 15-12 4.94 ERA 211.1 IP
2002 33G 10-13 5.35 ERA 209.0 IP

2008 33G 17-6 2.96 ERA 206.2 IP

His last healthy, effective 3-year stretch started 8 years ago when he was 23. You never know, but I'd bank on him being a $14 million mop-up reliever by 2012.
There is a quote in Casino Royale that seems to explain the way the cubs spend. "Does it look like we need the money?"

champagne030
11-18-2008, 11:29 PM
He probably could have received a bigger contract elsewhere

Maybe, but that team would've been crazy. The whole flippy mitt "turned my career around" is nuts. He just happened to pull out a career season out of his ass in a contract year. He's going to hurt the flubs for a long time.

Lip Man 1
11-18-2008, 11:41 PM
I think some of you are missing the point with this. The Cubs feel it is well within reason, as they define it, to give him this deal.

Their budget allows them to do that and if he falls apart, do you honestly think they care?

No they don't... for two reasons.

1. Like the Yankees and Red Sox they'll go out and buy through the mistake by signing someone else.

2. Or if the team is finally sold, it won't be the Tribune Company on the hook for these deals will it?

Seems to me it's a win / win deal anyway you slice it for them. Other teams don't like it because it's another expensive signing by a "major market" team.

Well the other clubs can follow the old barnyard adage, 'root hog or die...' If you can't compete, then sell to someone who will.

Just my two cents.

Lip

BadBobbyJenks
11-18-2008, 11:46 PM
I think some of you are missing the point with this. The Cubs feel it is well within reason, as they define it, to give him this deal.

Their budget allows them to do that and if he falls apart, do you honestly think they care?

No they don't... for two reasons.




Um, yes I do think they care if Dempster falls apart.

Lip Man 1
11-18-2008, 11:58 PM
And why is that Bobby?

Lip

DrCrawdad
11-19-2008, 12:19 AM
If you look up "career year" in the dictionary, there is a picture of Ryan Dempster in his 2008 Cubs uniform.

THANK YOU!

If "Munchman33" reads that you're in trouble...

I said the same thing about Dumpster. (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2085937&postcount=32) I think "Munchman33" is his agent.

The Critic
11-19-2008, 12:23 AM
2006 Record: 1-9
2007 Record: 2-7
2008 Record: 17-6

Lifetime Record: 76-81

I'll get a good belly-laugh when he returns to form.

"It isn't the high price of stars that is expensive, it's the high price of mediocrity." - Bill Veeck

2005 - 33 saves
2006 - 24 saves
2007 - 28 saves
2008 - 0 saves

Man, how could they reward that kind of decline???

Dempster picked a great year to have a great year.
Who knows if he can repeat that kind of season? The Cubs are obviously banking on him to do it.

NLaloosh
11-19-2008, 12:51 AM
They weren't in the Peavy race to begin with. That's all conjecture. Towers was very clear as to what he wants in return and the Cubs don't have it. End of story. It's still going to come down to Braves vs. Dodgers, and Towers will wait until the FA pitchers start signing so he can maximize the return.

This signing moves the conversation more along the lines of can they afford Dunn or Abreu for LF or do they have to settle for Ibaņez.

Firstly, they're looking for a RFer. Soriano plays Left.

Secondly, of those three only Abreu can play RF.

Lastly, they can easily afford a high priced RFer - and more.

guillensdisciple
11-19-2008, 01:19 AM
Did any of you guys hear what he said about the playoffs?

They weren't prepared, though home- field would do it for them.

Perhaps the previous year didn't rub off on them.

Stupid idiots, they will never win if they can't get up for the playoffs.

btrain929
11-19-2008, 01:24 AM
Firstly, they're looking for a RFer. Soriano plays Left.

Secondly, of those three only Abreu can play RF.

Lastly, they can easily afford a high priced RFer - and more.

I don't know about that. If Hendry is just signing checks and not caring about the consequences because of the whole team-sale crap (which may very well be possible), then yeah. But I posted earlier, that if they don't make any other moves, as of right now their salary will already be increased by about 26 million on player raises alone. I don't see them signing any big FA's unless they shed some serious salary (Marquis, Lee, Soriano, etc).

cburns
11-19-2008, 02:04 AM
I really think if the Cubs did not sign Dempster then a lot of people on this board would be ragging on the Cubs for letting such a good pitcher go. As it is, the people in charge of the Cubs now most likely won't be on the hook for the contract, and even if they are, the Cubs can just keep throwing money on their problems. I really think Dempster might go the way of Contreras or even Garland in their career years.

btrain929
11-19-2008, 02:18 AM
I really think if the Cubs did not sign Dempster then a lot of people on this board would be ragging on the Cubs for letting such a good pitcher go. As it is, the people in charge of the Cubs now most likely won't be on the hook for the contract, and even if they are, the Cubs can just keep throwing money on their problems. I really think Dempster might go the way of Contreras or even Garland in their career years.

Haha, doubt it.

Madscout
11-19-2008, 09:36 AM
I really think if the Cubs did not sign Dempster then a lot of people on this board would be ragging on the Cubs for letting such a good pitcher go. As it is, the people in charge of the Cubs now most likely won't be on the hook for the contract, and even if they are, the Cubs can just keep throwing money on their problems. I really think Dempster might go the way of Contreras or even Garland in their career years.
Fixed it for ya.:D:

kittle42
11-19-2008, 12:26 PM
Fixed it for ya.:D:

That wasn't a great idea.

Zisk77
11-19-2008, 01:23 PM
I have a feeling before the 4 yrs are up on Dempster's deal he'll be relegated to pitching out of the pen...and not as the closer.

btrain929
11-19-2008, 02:58 PM
Fixed it for ya.:D:

That wasn't a great idea.

I wonder how long this'll take...

PennStater98r
11-19-2008, 04:40 PM
Haven't you realized that you can't post here unless you absolutely despise everything the Cubs do and think that they are the worst franchise in the history of everything?

That's because we're only looking for the truth here.

cub killer
11-19-2008, 04:59 PM
My favorite memory of Dumpster will always be when AJ went yard on him during the 2006 Crosstown Classic. That was sweet. And then the flub fans cried and complained like the whiners they are by littering the field. What a classless fanbase.

Here's to more years of teeing off on Ryan Dempster.

He really showed the poise that a game 1 starter should possess in the playoffs during game 1 of their LDS series vs the Dodgers, huh?

FedEx227
11-19-2008, 05:23 PM
My favorite memory of Dumpster will always be when AJ went yard on him during the 2006 Crosstown Classic. That was sweet. And then the flub fans cried and complained like the whiners they are by littering the field. What a classless fanbase.

Here's to more years of teeing off on Ryan Dempster.

He really showed the poise that a game 1 starter should possess in the
playoffs during game 1 of their LDS series vs the Dodgers, huh?

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/517_P_season_mini_0_20080930.png
http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/517_P_season_mini_6_20080930.png

Enjoy Cub fans. I think it was a fluke season, completely. I don't think he'll be terrible, but I see him putting up 14-11, 4.50 ERA seasons for the remainder of this deal.

kittle42
11-19-2008, 05:52 PM
Enjoy Cub fans. I think it was a fluke season, completely. I don't think he'll be terrible, but I see him putting up 14-11, 4.50 ERA seasons for the remainder of this deal.

Well, the question then becomes is he worth that much as a No. 3/4 starter, and the market will decide.

oeo
11-19-2008, 06:00 PM
Well, the question then becomes is he worth that much as a No. 3/4 starter, and the market will decide.

Or they just decided the market.

kittle42
11-19-2008, 06:18 PM
Or they just decided the market.

I suppose so, though the consensus here was that he took less money to stay there.

oeo
11-19-2008, 07:01 PM
I suppose so, though the consensus here was that he took less money to stay there.

Well, he should be viewed as a mid-rotation starter, at best. A career year doesn't change that fact.

LoveYourSuit
11-19-2008, 08:04 PM
Is Dempster any better than Garland is?

No. In my book they are just about the same.

But many here want the Sox to unload that amount of cash to bring Garland back. They both are not worth that kind of money but it's what the market dictates.