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Sockinchisox
11-17-2008, 11:01 AM
It's free.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267205.html

NLaloosh
11-17-2008, 11:05 AM
That's because it's written by Phil Rogers. They only charge for expert's opinions.

35th and Shields
11-17-2008, 11:19 AM
It's free.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267205.html

Dye in RF for 2012....I don't think so.

wilburaga
11-17-2008, 11:37 AM
Dye in RF for 2012....I don't think so.

That jumped right off the page at me, too.

W

oeo
11-17-2008, 11:51 AM
Dye in RF for 2012....I don't think so.

That jumped right off the page at me, too.

W

This is what you guys are looking at? :?:

Just in case you didn't notice: that's the projected 2012 lineup within our organization.

soltrain21
11-17-2008, 11:54 AM
We have had some bad prospects. Joe Borchard our top prospect three years in a row? Ouch.

oeo
11-17-2008, 12:07 PM
We have had some bad prospects. Joe Borchard our top prospect three years in a row? Ouch.

Well, when he was a prospect, he wasn't a bad one; not like Lance Broadway or Kyle McCulloch. He just didn't pan out.

Craig Grebeck
11-17-2008, 12:20 PM
Well, when he was a prospect, he wasn't a bad one; not like Lance Broadway or Kyle McCulloch. He just didn't pan out.
Absolutely. BA had him as the 12th best prospect in baseball in 2002.

oeo
11-17-2008, 12:28 PM
Absolutely. BA had him as the 12th best prospect in baseball in 2002.

I think Borchard always wanted to play football. He's mentioned before that it was the bonus that made his decision.

Daver
11-17-2008, 12:31 PM
Absolutely. BA had him as the 12th best prospect in baseball in 2002.

Borchard is a prime example of the White Sox rushing a prospect only to watch him fail under the pressure. An unneccesary waste of 5 million dollars.

steely712
11-17-2008, 02:00 PM
He really thinks that PK will still be on our team in 2012? I love Paulie, but he looked like an old man last season. I cannot imagine what he will be like in 2012. Maybe an Edgar Martinez type player? I just don't see it.

steely712
11-17-2008, 02:03 PM
What is the deal with Broadway? Have they just given up on this kid or what? When I have seen him pitch, he always looks pretty good, but I wasn't sure what the deal was with his future in our organization.

oeo
11-17-2008, 02:33 PM
He really thinks that PK will still be on our team in 2012? I love Paulie, but he looked like an old man last season. I cannot imagine what he will be like in 2012. Maybe an Edgar Martinez type player? I just don't see it.

Once again, this is who is projected to be at each position from inside the organization. It's kind of hard to project who the designated hitter will be 3 years from now from outside the organization.

whitesox901
11-17-2008, 02:43 PM
El Cabillo was a thirdbasemen in the minors?

munchman33
11-17-2008, 02:46 PM
What is the deal with Broadway? Have they just given up on this kid or what? When I have seen him pitch, he always looks pretty good, but I wasn't sure what the deal was with his future in our organization.

He isn't talented enough to be taken seriously.

JGarlandrules20
11-17-2008, 03:17 PM
El Cabillo was a thirdbasemen in the minors?

El caballo was, yes. I think the switch to OF was a good move for him.

MHOUSE
11-17-2008, 03:49 PM
What is the deal with Broadway? Have they just given up on this kid or what? When I have seen him pitch, he always looks pretty good, but I wasn't sure what the deal was with his future in our organization.

It's not that hard to look decent pitching mop-up duty in September. At this point does he project as much more than he is right now? A 14th or 15th pitcher on a good ballclub?

btrain929
11-17-2008, 04:35 PM
It's not that hard to look decent pitching mop-up duty in September. At this point does he project as much more than he is right now? A 14th or 15th pitcher on a good ballclub?

Weird, every time I saw him come in in September, he got his **** rocked.

veeter
11-17-2008, 04:39 PM
Brandon Allen might end up being a nice surprise.

Frater Perdurabo
11-17-2008, 05:44 PM
Borchard is a prime example of the White Sox rushing a prospect only to watch him fail under the pressure. An unneccesary waste of 5 million dollars.

Daver, in your opinion, do you think that Joe Borchard would have developed into a quality MLB player if he had been drafted and developed by, say, the Twins?

turners56
11-17-2008, 05:55 PM
Daver, in your opinion, do you think that Joe Borchard would have developed into a quality MLB player if he had been drafted and developed by, say, the Twins?

Borchard just sucked. Maybe if he was in the A's system, he might have faired better.

Daver
11-17-2008, 06:10 PM
Daver, in your opinion, do you think that Joe Borchard would have developed into a quality MLB player if he had been drafted and developed by, say, the Twins?

It's diffucult to say really, the Twins more than likely wouldn't have drafted him if given the chance.

Borchard just sucked. Maybe if he was in the A's system, he might have faired better.

This is downright laughable.

doublem23
11-17-2008, 07:29 PM
This is downright laughable.

The A's have a track record of helping guys enhance their power.

Joe Borchard, however, just sucked.

Daver
11-17-2008, 07:36 PM
The A's have a track record of helping guys enhance their power.

Joe Borchard, however, just sucked.

Joe Borchard didn't need help with power, he needed help with plate discipline, pitch recognition, and timing, thus my point that his post was laughable. The A's are no better than the Sox in player development.

A. Cavatica
11-17-2008, 08:02 PM
He really thinks that PK will still be on our team in 2012? I love Paulie, but he looked like an old man last season. I cannot imagine what he will be like in 2012. Maybe an Edgar Martinez type player? I just don't see it.

Edgar 2009 > Paulie 2009

rdivaldi
11-17-2008, 08:36 PM
Borchard is a prime example of the White Sox rushing a prospect only to watch him fail under the pressure. An unneccesary waste of 5 million dollars.

Didn't Joe get almost 1,000 at bats in the minors before he was called up? Considering he hit pretty well in AA and AAA beforehand, I don't think you can say he was rushed.

oeo
11-17-2008, 09:05 PM
Joe Borchard didn't need help with power, he needed help with plate discipline, pitch recognition, and timing

Sounds more like someone that didn't want to play baseball.

eriqjaffe
11-17-2008, 11:05 PM
Didn't Joe get almost 1,000 at bats in the minors before he was called up? Considering he hit pretty well in AA and AAA beforehand, I don't think you can say he was rushed.Through 2004, he had amassed 1,987 plate appearances in the minors. Yes, he had cups of coffee in 2002-3, but didn't see any significant playing time until '04.

He did hit that monster shot against Philadelphia, though, so he'll always have the footnote of having hit the longest homer in The Cell.

Ultimately, turning him into Matt Thornton was probably one of KW's best trades ever.

btrain929
11-18-2008, 04:44 AM
I look forward to seeing how CJ Retherford and Jack Egbert do next year. Before this year (that started off with an injury), Egbert and his sinkerball have done very well the past few years. And Retherford (23) has posted solid numbers considering he went from GRF in '07, skipped Kanny, straight to W/S in '08.

russ99
11-18-2008, 08:55 AM
That's because it's written by Phil Rogers. They only charge for expert's opinions.

Actually, that was pretty well written, and I'm one of the first to bash Phil.

I guess since the Cubs weren't involved he was able to stay objective...

schmitty9800
11-18-2008, 09:11 AM
I don't see how Borchard was rushed, unless you think he needed another year at Birmingham instead of being moved to Charlotte in '02. He was just an AAAA player; raked at AAA every time, but just couldn't hit major league quality pitching.

NLaloosh
11-18-2008, 11:03 AM
Borchard is only 29. He hasn't been given enough time to prove that he can hit major league pitching.

You know that you can't judge these deals until all players have been retired for atleast 5 years.

Some people have no patience.

turners56
11-18-2008, 03:12 PM
Joe Borchard didn't need help with power, he needed help with plate discipline, pitch recognition, and timing, thus my point that his post was laughable. The A's are no better than the Sox in player development.

The A's like people who walk. They develop guys to take walks. IMO, Borchard would have been better off had he been in the A's system. I remember hearing that the A's would thrive their minor leaguers to take however many walks or suffer the consequences. That has to put a lot of patience and discipline into a hitter, which would have helped Borchard.

oeo
11-18-2008, 03:18 PM
The A's like people who walk. They develop guys to take walks. IMO, Borchard would have been better off had he been in the A's system. I remember hearing that the A's would thrive their minor leaguers to take however many walks or suffer the consequences. That has to put a lot of patience and discipline into a hitter, which would have helped Borchard.

Or he would be Nick Swisher and be afraid to swing the bat.

turners56
11-18-2008, 03:47 PM
Or he would be Nick Swisher and be afraid to swing the bat.

That might have been good for him. He would swing and miss most of the time anyhow.

JorgeFabregas
11-18-2008, 03:47 PM
Being Nick Swisher would've been a good career move for him.

A. Cavatica
11-18-2008, 09:54 PM
I don't see how Borchard was rushed, unless you think he needed another year at Birmingham instead of being moved to Charlotte in '02. He was just an AAAA player; raked at AAA every time, but just couldn't hit major league quality pitching.

When, exactly, did Borchard rake at AAA? :scratch:

He was a AA player.

GregO23
11-20-2008, 06:16 PM
i think its safe to say you can add Dayan Viciedo to the top 5

schmitty9800
11-27-2008, 11:41 AM
When, exactly, did Borchard rake at AAA? :scratch:

He was a AA player.
Yeah I'm wrong about saying "every time", but he put up .266/.333/.495 in '04 to convince the Sox to call him up and .355/.452/.711 in '07 to convince the Marlins to call him up.

A. Cavatica
11-27-2008, 10:01 PM
Yeah I'm wrong about saying "every time", but he put up .266/.333/.495 in '04 to convince the Sox to call him up and .355/.452/.711 in '07 to convince the Marlins to call him up.

His 2004 numbers were not what I'd call "raking". He was a 25 year old farmhand in a hitter's park, and his .827 OPS was worse than 2B Bryant Nelson, SS Bobby Smith, and C Ryan Hankins, all of whom had at least as many at-bats. He was only called up because Magglio got hurt; he didn't hit his way to Chicago.

His 2007 numbers were as a 28 year old in one of the best hitter's parks in all of baseball (Albuquerque), and in only 76 at-bats.

Randar68
11-28-2008, 12:10 AM
His 2004 numbers were not what I'd call "raking". He was a 25 year old farmhand in a hitter's park, and his .827 OPS was worse than 2B Bryant Nelson, SS Bobby Smith, and C Ryan Hankins, all of whom had at least as many at-bats. He was only called up because Magglio got hurt; he didn't hit his way to Chicago.

His 2007 numbers were as a 28 year old in one of the best hitter's parks in all of baseball (Albuquerque), and in only 76 at-bats.

The guy went from college to a nearly 900 OPS AA season in his first full year of pro ball and followed that up with an .850 OPS in AAA the next year, That made him quite the prospect. What happened after that and why is certainly a point that can be argued, but he was quite the prospect after those 2001 and 2002 seasons.

cws05champ
12-03-2008, 12:14 PM
Check out the BA podcast from 11-24, a lot of White sox talk and dicussion on the White Sox top ten(before Vazquez trade) and Viciedo.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/media/podcasts/

Good stuff....

btrain929
12-03-2008, 12:30 PM
Check out the BA podcast from 11-24, a lot of White sox talk and dicussion on the White Sox top ten(before Vazquez trade) and Viciedo.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/media/podcasts/

Good stuff....

Thanks!

UofCSoxFan
12-03-2008, 02:29 PM
Jim Callis in his chat revises the top 4 as follows in light of recent events: Beckham, Viciedo, Poreda, Flowers. He says he may put Lillibridge right in front of Getz. He puts Gilmore and Rodriguez in the 11-30 range. In two years we've already revamped our farm system.

DirtySox
12-03-2008, 07:15 PM
Speaking of prospects, Dexter Carter and Tyler Kuhn were selected for the Topps Short-Season/Rookie All-Star Team. Whatever that means.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081201&content_id=484136&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp

cws05champ
12-08-2008, 08:10 AM
Jim Callis from BA rates the Sox top ten as of today:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2008/267292.html

broker3d
12-08-2008, 01:25 PM
Brandon Allen is a name that I am unfamiliar with. Can someone provide me some info on his? What type of player is he?

Thanks

Fungo
12-15-2008, 04:21 PM
A couple nuggets from the Atlanta Braves chat today with a few mentions of the prospects we got back in the Javier Vazquez deal...

Q:
Where would Flowers have ranked, had he remained?
A:
Flowers would have been around 7th or 8th. His defense behind the plate still leaves a bit to be desired, but he is improving. Offensively, he's looking more and more like a monster.Q:
Is it safe to say that Flowers would have ranked among the top 10 if he hadn't been traded? Would any of the others? What type of upside does Jon Gilmore have?
A:
Flowers was in the top 10 prior to the trade. Brent Lillibridge and Santos Rodriguez were in the high teens to low 20s and Gilmore was in the 20s before joining the White Sox. Rodriguez is the sleeper of the group and could wind up having the most success. Gilmore showed signs of improving defensively at third base last year after playing short at an Iowa high school but there is some concern among many scouts about whether he will hit at higher levels.

ChiSoxLifer
12-15-2008, 06:53 PM
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/9/17/615756/white-sox-prospect-brandon

A little info on Brandon Allen.

broker3d
12-17-2008, 03:29 PM
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/9/17/615756/white-sox-prospect-brandon

A little info on Brandon Allen.

Thanks Lifer.