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wilburaga
11-14-2008, 03:54 PM
So good in 2006 - so bad since. It's one of a few times the Sox have eaten a contract.

W

Cangelosi CF
11-14-2008, 03:56 PM
I hope I never see him in a White Sox uniform again.

doublem23
11-14-2008, 04:01 PM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q22/sunnyblue_photos/Hallelujah.jpg

spiffie
11-14-2008, 04:17 PM
Is there a source for this?

Sockinchisox
11-14-2008, 04:20 PM
Is there a source for this?

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20081114&content_id=3680037&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

turners56
11-14-2008, 04:21 PM
'Bout time.

Law11
11-14-2008, 04:23 PM
This means KW is up to something really big...

hi im skot
11-14-2008, 04:26 PM
For us simpler folks, what exactly does this mean?

:duck:

sox1970
11-14-2008, 04:32 PM
For us simpler folks, what exactly does this mean?

:duck:

He's off the 40-man. Since they have to add players to protect them from the Rule 5 draft, they cleared him off. Since there are only 32 on the 40-man now, I have no idea who is in the running to be added.

KyWhiSoxFan
11-14-2008, 04:40 PM
Yes! There is a god.

chisoxmike
11-14-2008, 04:44 PM
:dinger


But I thought Coop could fix him!!!!!!!!

kidmccarthy
11-14-2008, 04:48 PM
He's off the 40-man. Since they have to add players to protect them from the Rule 5 draft, they cleared him off. Since there are only 32 on the 40-man now, I have no idea who is in the running to be added.

It should be at 34 right? Marquez and Nunez had to be put on the 40.

sox1970
11-14-2008, 04:50 PM
It should be at 34 right? Marquez and Nunez had to be put on the 40.

The 32 includes Marquez. Nunez may have to be added next week when the minor leaguers are added so they aren't exposed to the Rule 5 draft.

CWSpalehoseCWS
11-14-2008, 04:51 PM
So doesn't he have to pass through waivers? LOL, not that anyone in their right mind would claim him.

jcw218
11-14-2008, 05:02 PM
the current roster breaks down as this:

18 Pitchers
Broadway, Buehrle, Carrasco, Contreras, Danks, Dotel, Egbert, Floyd, Harrell, jenks, Linebrink, Logan, marquez, Richard, Russell, Thornton, Vazquez, Wassermann

2 Catchers
Armstrong, Pierzynski

6 Inf
Betemit, Fields, Gets, Konerko, Nix, Ramirez

6 OF/DH
Anderson, Dye, Owens, Quentin, Wise, Thome

kittle42
11-14-2008, 05:06 PM
But I thought Coop could fix him!!!!!!!!

Yeah, no kidding - there's something I'm sick of hearing.

SoxGirl4Life
11-14-2008, 05:11 PM
Thank God!

wilburaga
11-14-2008, 05:31 PM
I'm not 100% sure of what follows, but that's never stopped me before.

1) Mac is owed 2.65 million by the Sox for 2009. The Sox have a 3.75 million option (Ha!) for 2010 with a 350,000 buyout.

2) Mac will have to pass through irrevocable waivers if he has not already done so. As someone pointed out, nobody will bite on this because of his contract.

3) I believe Mac can declare himself a six year minor league free agent, which he will almost certainly do.

4) Mac will then negotiate a minor league contract with another club with a spring training invite.

5) If Mac makes the club, he'll be paid the major league minimum by that club, with the Sox dining on the balance between the 2.65 and the minimum.

6) I don't know what happens to the option/buyout if Mac makes another major league club. If someone knows, please advise.

W

cws05champ
11-14-2008, 05:36 PM
So doesn't he have to pass through waivers? LOL, not that anyone in their right mind would claim him.

You know there are message boards of 29 other teams that are saying " Pick him up, (insert pitching coach name) can fix him". Low risk high reward... :rolling:

russ99
11-14-2008, 05:41 PM
I'm not 100% sure of what follows, but that's never stopped me before.

1) Mac is owed 2.65 million by the Sox for 2009. The Sox have a 3.75 million option (Ha!) for 2010 with a 350,000 buyout.

2) Mac will have to pass through irrevocable waivers if he has not already done so. As someone pointed out, nobody will bite on this because of his contract.

3) I believe Mac can declare himself a six year minor league free agent, which he will almost certainly do.

4) Mac will then negotiate a minor league contract with another club with a spring training invite.

5) If Mac makes the club, he'll be paid the major league minimum by that club, with the Sox dining on the balance between the 2.65 and the minimum.

6) I don't know what happens to the option/buyout if Mac makes another major league club. If someone knows, please advise.

W

I'm not sure about that 6-year FA, since he is still under contract. 6-year minor league FA only comes into play when the player's contract expires and/or he's been in the minors 6 years and still is short on service time to go through standard FA. I believe MacDougal has neither.

He will pass through (and clear) waivers, but he can refuse the outright assignment and become a FA, which is what he'll likely do. I also believe once that happens, the Sox are off the hook for his 2009 contract.

If he thinks he can make the club and is OK making $2.65M in AAA next season he'll accept the assignment. I'd say the chance on that happening are <10%

kittle42
11-14-2008, 05:42 PM
You know there are message boards of 29 other teams that are saying " Pick him up, (insert pitching coach name) can fix him". Low risk high reward... :rolling:

Do they have threads entitled: "Mike MacDougal?"

veeter
11-14-2008, 05:44 PM
Do they have threads entitled: "Mike MacDougal?"Yes, can we please put an end to the 'question mark' threads.

soxinem1
11-14-2008, 05:49 PM
I'm not 100% sure of what follows, but that's never stopped me before.

1) Mac is owed 2.65 million by the Sox for 2009. The Sox have a 3.75 million option (Ha!) for 2010 with a 350,000 buyout.

2) Mac will have to pass through irrevocable waivers if he has not already done so. As someone pointed out, nobody will bite on this because of his contract.

3) I believe Mac can declare himself a six year minor league free agent, which he will almost certainly do.

4) Mac will then negotiate a minor league contract with another club with a spring training invite.

5) If Mac makes the club, he'll be paid the major league minimum by that club, with the Sox dining on the balance between the 2.65 and the minimum.

6) I don't know what happens to the option/buyout if Mac makes another major league club. If someone knows, please advise.

W

Why would he do that? He'd throw $3 million away to take a split contract (at best) somewhere else?

thedudeabides
11-14-2008, 05:51 PM
I think he would fit in well with the Indians or Tigers. :cool:

russ99
11-14-2008, 05:52 PM
Why would he do that? He'd throw $3 million away to take a split contract (at best) somewhere else?

It all comes down to playing time. I can't think of any pitcher who would prefer to rot in the minors and make more, over a shot at a big-league spot in Spring Training, which he wouldn't get staying with the Sox.

Frater Perdurabo
11-14-2008, 08:07 PM
I think he would fit in well with the Indians or Tigers. :cool:

How about the Twins? :tongue:

EuroSox35
11-14-2008, 08:11 PM
I thought he looked good in Sep

palehozenychicty
11-14-2008, 08:11 PM
Good.

Tragg
11-14-2008, 09:37 PM
Why is Wise on the 40 man? We're afraid to lose his .293 obp?

Daver
11-14-2008, 09:53 PM
Why is Wise on the 40 man? We're afraid to lose his .293 obp?

He has speed, it's the only tool you need to be an outfielder for the Chicago White Sox.

slavko
11-14-2008, 10:01 PM
I thought he looked good in Sep

So did I, so did Cooper, who was quoted in the Tribune in Sep as saying he was first option as setup man. That lasted as long as Mac's next meltdown.

I still think he'll be a stud somewhere, someday. On this planet? Don't know. I guess it's possible to have too much stuff.

LoveYourSuit
11-14-2008, 11:33 PM
Yeah, no kidding - there's something I'm sick of hearing.


Yup, I'm tired of it too. People think the guy is a magician. Greg Walker takes so many shots here on this board (and diserves it) but Coop should be right behind him with bullpen implosion after bullpen implosion the last 3 seasons.

thomas35forever
11-15-2008, 01:51 AM
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/06/nelson-haha.gif

If I were him, I'd look for permanent housing down in Charlotte.

oeo
11-15-2008, 03:43 AM
So did I, so did Cooper, who was quoted in the Tribune in Sep as saying he was first option as setup man. That lasted as long as Mac's next meltdown.

I still think he'll be a stud somewhere, someday. On this planet? Don't know. I guess it's possible to have too much stuff.

He's had his bright spots in his career, both as a closer for the Royals, and a set up man here in 2006.

The guy's **** just moves so much he can't control it.

SBSoxFan
11-15-2008, 06:20 AM
So good in 2006 - so bad since. It's one of a few times the Sox have eaten a contract.

W

Didn't the Sox once have a catcher in AAA making $1 mil?

Bucky F. Dent
11-15-2008, 09:41 AM
Where's the official MacDougal appreciation thread?

The Thomenator
11-15-2008, 09:50 AM
Didn't the Sox once have a catcher in AAA making $1 mil?

That was Big Ben Davis. We got him with Freddy Garcia in the Miguel Olivo/ Jeremy Reed deal.

GlassSox
11-16-2008, 01:17 PM
Hope I never see him again

soltrain21
11-16-2008, 01:31 PM
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/06/nelson-haha.gif

If I were him, I'd look for permanent housing down in Charlotte.

ha ha?


Yeah, it must suck making millions of dollars to throw a baseball - albeit poorly.

thedudeabides
11-16-2008, 03:38 PM
That was Big Ben Davis. We got him with Freddy Garcia in the Miguel Olivo/ Jeremy Reed deal.

He was valuable because he spoke spanish.

SoxyStu
11-16-2008, 03:39 PM
http://ts4.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=134838816367&id=d4a0be6a23dc834acbe5744ef85227ea

Ding dong the wicked witch, the wicked witch, the wicked witch;
Ding dong the wicket witch is dead!

Lip Man 1
11-16-2008, 03:43 PM
His stuff moves a lot but his total wind up / deliver has so many "moving parts" for want of a better word, that he can't keep everything in sync and that has also caused him tons of issues.

In some ways his motion reminds me of Jack McDowell's.... all arms, legs and elbows but the difference is Jack was able to control his pitches despite his complicated delivery.

Ol' MacDougal can't.

Lip

oeo
11-16-2008, 03:44 PM
ha ha?


Yeah, it must suck making millions of dollars to throw a baseball - albeit poorly.

I don't care how much he's making, I'm sure he doesn't want to be playing for a minor league baseball team.

CWSpalehoseCWS
11-16-2008, 07:36 PM
That was Big Ben Davis. We got him with Freddy Garcia in the Miguel Olivo/ Jeremy Reed deal.

That was worse than having Mac in AAA. Big Ben got hurt and didn't even play a game down there that year.

ChiSoxFan81
11-17-2008, 12:08 PM
I know I'm late to the party, but....

WOO-HOO!!!!

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