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veeter
11-13-2008, 02:39 PM
According to ESPN.com Swisher has been dealt to the Yankees for a minor league pitcher and maybe others.

thedudeabides
11-13-2008, 02:40 PM
For Jeff Marquez, possibly others.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3700869

Rockabilly
11-13-2008, 02:41 PM
Dan Bernstein reported Swisher to the Yankees

Didn't hear the entire report

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 02:41 PM
I hope there is more to it....I feel like we are just getting rid of a young cheap corner outfielder 1st basemen because we have too many old and slow ones...

Gammons Peter
11-13-2008, 02:42 PM
doesnt seem like much in return (if true)

dickallen15
11-13-2008, 02:42 PM
But we were guaranteed by a loud-mouthed poster that Swisher wasn't being shopped.

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 02:43 PM
scouting report from scout.com

http://mariners.scout.com/a.z?s=318&p=2&c=347065

CanBuehrleWait
11-13-2008, 02:43 PM
:?:....:o: What the hell? Looks like a salary dump but why him?

Sockinchisox
11-13-2008, 02:44 PM
Holy ****.

Gammons Peter
11-13-2008, 02:44 PM
Prospect Rankings*
2006 - 9th ranked organizational prospect for New York Yankees
2008 - 7th ranked organizational prospect for New York Yankees

hawkjt
11-13-2008, 02:44 PM
I like Ryan Sweeney and I wonder if the Sox end up getting anyone as good as him in exchange for Swisher. Hmmmmm.

oeo
11-13-2008, 02:44 PM
scouting report from scout.com

http://mariners.scout.com/a.z?s=318&p=2&c=347065

"Lethal combination of a sinker and an outstanding power changeup."

That's what Kenny loves about him.

voodoochile
11-13-2008, 02:44 PM
:?:....:o: What the hell? Looks like a salary dump but why him?

What dump? He's not making enough to call it a dump.

I agree this is an odd trade unless they get a bunch more prospects or Marquez is a stud in the making.

white sox bill
11-13-2008, 02:45 PM
Whats the scoop on Jeff Marquez?

aryzner
11-13-2008, 02:45 PM
I won't really miss Swisher to be honest but I'm questioning it right now. I'm sure it will all make sense later, though!

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 02:46 PM
swisher seemed like a fun guy off the field but his play left much to be desired....if he "failed" in the big market of Chicago I dont know what the Yankees are expecting from him...

MushMouth
11-13-2008, 02:46 PM
Sounds like Marquez could be a quality starter... Interesting move. I don't mind parting with Swish, but he salary-wise he was a huge bargain. Hopefully we got another prospect.

voodoochile
11-13-2008, 02:47 PM
"Lethal combination of a sinker and an outstanding power changeup."

That's what Kenny loves about him.

That article is from January 2005 anything more recent?

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 02:47 PM
Im looking that is that first think I found

dickallen15
11-13-2008, 02:48 PM
scouting report from scout.com

http://mariners.scout.com/a.z?s=318&p=2&c=347065

Its an old report. His ETA was 2007. He still pitched some in rookie ball in 2008. He's not very good, but then again, neither is Swisher.

btrain929
11-13-2008, 02:48 PM
scouting report from scout.com

http://mariners.scout.com/a.z?s=318&p=2&c=347065

Well, that's from '05, so......

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 02:49 PM
If that is all we got I am pretty mad....we give the Yanks a starting 1st basemen and got a crappy prospect....HORRIBLE MOVE

Harry Potter
11-13-2008, 02:49 PM
Man, Sweeney/Gio/DLS for a minor league pitcher? :scratch:

LITTLE NELL
11-13-2008, 02:49 PM
I am really surprised that we are giving up on Swish, I was looking for a comeback of the year type season from him. There has to be more than meets the eye on this.

btrain929
11-13-2008, 02:49 PM
Its an old report. His ETA was 2007. He still pitched some in rookie ball in 2008. He's not very good, but then again, neither is Swisher.

It was 2 games, then he went up to AA-AAA. It was obviously a rehab assignment.

MushMouth
11-13-2008, 02:49 PM
he pitched mainly in AAA last year. Looks like he was solid in AA the last two years... struggled in AAA last year a bit.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/jeff-marquez-1.shtml

HawkDJ
11-13-2008, 02:50 PM
Well this is curious.

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 02:50 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Marquez

wikipedia entry....some stats at least...

areilly
11-13-2008, 02:51 PM
swisher seemed like a fun guy off the field but his play left much to be desired....if he "failed" in the big market of Chicago I dont know what the Yankees are expecting from him...

My guess is they just want him as a backup 1B/OF.

SoxSpeed22
11-13-2008, 02:51 PM
There wasn't much value for Swish after the year he had. Marquez hopefully ends up the same way Gavin did for us in 2009. I figure he should compete for the 5th starter spot this year. This could be a higher risk, but it could also give us a high reward.

thomas35forever
11-13-2008, 02:51 PM
Wow, that came out of nowhere. Hope this minor league pitcher can do wonders for us.

white sox bill
11-13-2008, 02:51 PM
A diamond in the rough? Kenny is as dumb as a fox--sometimes

eaganmafia
11-13-2008, 02:52 PM
yeah ****ty ground ball pitchers.

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 02:52 PM
do we have another source besides ESPN?

kidmccarthy
11-13-2008, 02:53 PM
the one thing this means for sure is that we will be getting someone new in centerfield! Yay!

Harry Potter
11-13-2008, 02:54 PM
the one thing this means for sure is that we will be getting someone new in centerfield! Yay!

Yeah, Jerry Owens!!!

oeo
11-13-2008, 02:54 PM
yeah ****ty ground ball pitchers.

Seriously, don't you have a Twins forum to post on?

eaganmafia
11-13-2008, 02:54 PM
I can tell you about Marquez, he's a groundball pitcher that doesn't get groundballs. I saw him pitch in Trenton a few times and he stunk and he's been getting lite up in the AFL the last couple weeks.

HomeFish
11-13-2008, 02:54 PM
What a horrible trade. Why trade Swisher when his value is at an all-time low?

Sockinchisox
11-13-2008, 02:54 PM
Over at NYYfans.com they said Wilson Betemit is in the deal according to Heyman.

Rockabilly
11-13-2008, 02:54 PM
Report from NY

They think Melky Cabrera is part of the deal as well....

kidmccarthy
11-13-2008, 02:55 PM
And the other thing it means is Konerko is here to stay. I think Kenny should have waited for Tex to sign, then trade Swish. Sometimes I think Kenny needs to be more patient.

DirtySox
11-13-2008, 02:55 PM
Not sure if this was linked, but Marquez is mentioned in MLB's Yankees organizational review.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081031&content_id=3657046&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

MOD EDIT: Copyrighted text

LITTLE NELL
11-13-2008, 02:56 PM
the one thing this means for sure is that we will be getting someone new in centerfield! Yay!
Rob Mackowiak? Actually I think BA is the 09 Center Fielder.

CubsfansareDRUNK
11-13-2008, 02:56 PM
I'm reserving judgement until I learn more about this guy. I was mad as hell about the Floyd trade and look how that turned out.

getonbckthr
11-13-2008, 02:56 PM
Report from NY

They think Melky Cabrera is part of the deal as well....
Link?
If Cabrera and Betemit (as someone else said) is included its a better deal than right now.

soxfanreggie
11-13-2008, 02:57 PM
Anyone else see that he was working with Nardi Contreras (Sox pitching coach from '98-'02) at one point?

Maybe we're freeing up a bit of salary for AJ Burnett, Figgins, Orlando Hudson, or Roberts.

oeo
11-13-2008, 02:57 PM
And the other thing it means is Konerko is here to stay. I think Kenny should have waited for Tex to sign, then trade Swish. Sometimes I think Kenny needs to be more patient.

The organization is still high on Fields...

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but the possibility is still there that Konerko is moved.

Rockabilly
11-13-2008, 02:58 PM
Link?
If Cabrera and Betemit (as someone else said) is included its a better deal than right now.

Cabera is not part of the deal

Johnny Nunez is part of it along with Betemit

HomeFish
11-13-2008, 02:58 PM
Prima facie, this is the worst trade of KW's tenure. Even if Swisher is doomed to be a .220-.240 hitter for life, that seems to be of greater value than this obscure prospect.

hawkjt
11-13-2008, 02:59 PM
Johnny Nunez, Betimet, and Marquez for Swish and a minor league pitcher that is unnamed..

That is from the Score a few minutes ago.

DirtySox
11-13-2008, 02:59 PM
Ken Rosenthal says (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8790448/Sources:-Yanks-deal-for-Swisher,-minor-leaguer) the Yankees also get pitcher Kanekoa Texeira (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Kanekoa%20Texeira&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=444427) from Chicago.

wulfy
11-13-2008, 03:01 PM
Marquez is playing AFL ball this fall for the Peoria Javelinas. He's 1-2 with a 4.50 ERA. 19 Ks in 22 innings.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=490

oeo
11-13-2008, 03:01 PM
Prima facie, this is the worst trade of KW's tenure. Even if Swisher is doomed to be a .220-.240 hitter for life, that seems to be of greater value than this obscure prospect.

Brandon McCarthy for who? Freddy Garcia for Gio and who?

Not saying I like the deal, I still don't like selling low, but we're pretty good at picking up those 'obscure' prospects.

turners56
11-13-2008, 03:01 PM
So we traded our best prospects from 2007 to get a mediocre performance in 2008 from Swisher and then we trade him to the Yankees for two prospects that aren't even in their organizational top 5? :puking::puking:

turners56
11-13-2008, 03:03 PM
Report from NY

They think Melky Cabrera is part of the deal as well....

If that's true, I'll feel about 10% better about this horrible trade.

hawkjt
11-13-2008, 03:03 PM
The Yanks are slotting Swish in to replace Giambi who is a free agent. Watch Swish have a big year as a switch-hitting power guy at first with that short porch....they do still have the short porch in the new Yankee field,right?

getonbckthr
11-13-2008, 03:03 PM
Whats he gonna do about the facial hair demands?

Lip Man 1
11-13-2008, 03:04 PM
Turner:

In fairness one prospect blew his arm apart, another never amounted to anything with the A's and the 3rd is basically a 4th outfielder.

I don't think the Sox traded away any future All Stars, let's put it that way.

Lip

DeadMoney
11-13-2008, 03:04 PM
Salary dump. When the guy doesn't really fit anymore, it's a lot of money to have locked up in a bench player.

Swisher was due:
$5.3M in 2009
$6.75M in 2010
$9M in 2011
$10.25M option in 2012 ($1M buyout)

turners56
11-13-2008, 03:05 PM
The Yanks are slotting Swish in to replace Giambi who is a free agent. Watch Swish have a big year as a switch-hitting power guy at first with that short porch....they do still have the short porch in the new Yankee field,right?

I'd rather have Giambi.

hawkjt
11-13-2008, 03:05 PM
So is Betimet the new 3rd baseman? What is his story? Any good?

SoxFan78
11-13-2008, 03:05 PM
In Kenny I trust. I was killing him when he traded McCarthy for two guys named Danks and Massett, and look how that turned out.

CashMan
11-13-2008, 03:05 PM
So we traded our best prospects from 2007 to get a mediocre performance in 2008 from Swisher and then we trade him to the Yankees for two prospects that aren't even in their organizational top 5? :puking::puking:

Name me a prospect, who Kenny has traded away and is producing. Other than Sweeney who hit .300 for a good amount of the year, you cannot name one.

doublem23
11-13-2008, 03:05 PM
So we traded our best prospects from 2007 to get a mediocre performance in 2008 from Swisher and then we trade him to the Yankees for two prospects that aren't even in their organizational top 5? :puking::puking:

Yeah, but the difference is our prospects suck.

Rockabilly
11-13-2008, 03:06 PM
So is Betimet the new 3rd baseman? What is his story? Any good?

I got to believe he is going to take Uribe spot on the bench..

he is not a full time player

oeo
11-13-2008, 03:06 PM
So is Betimet the new 3rd baseman? What is his story? Any good?

New Uribe is my guess.

MushMouth
11-13-2008, 03:06 PM
So is Betimet the new 3rd baseman? What is his story? Any good?

Betemit is a utility guy for the most part.

Nunez looks like a closer in the making? We need to get a yankee fan in here to help us w/ a rundown on these guys.

hawkjt
11-13-2008, 03:07 PM
I liked Sweeney but I will hold my fire on Kenny until he finishes his off season...maybe freeing up the Swish cash will translate to something decent down the line.

turners56
11-13-2008, 03:07 PM
Yeah, but the difference is our prospects suck.

You do have a point...

But either way, those prospects could of been used for other trades. We depleted our farm to the point where we couldn't get anybody at the trading deadline worth anything.

kittle42
11-13-2008, 03:07 PM
Man, Sweeney/Gio/DLS for a minor league pitcher? :scratch:

Yup. This whole thing goes in the screw-up pile for KW.

soxpride724
11-13-2008, 03:07 PM
Well that just sucks. I know he wasn't as productive in the second half of the season, but he was a great clubhouse guy (Except for when he was pissed because of playing time at the end).

Oh well, I hope that there is more to this trade than what we know so far.

2906
11-13-2008, 03:07 PM
Turner:

In fairness one prospect blew his arm apart, another never amounted to anything with the A's and the 3rd is basically a 4th outfielder.

I don't think the Sox traded away any future All Stars, let's put it that way.

Lip

Thank you, your perspective is always appreciated Mark.

This also assures Uribe is out the door IMO, as Betemit is a fit for utility.

KW always watches the AFL for breakout players, maybe he thinks Marquez is that kind of guy. He's only 24.

I don't know a thing about Nunez though.

champagne030
11-13-2008, 03:07 PM
It was 2 games, then he went up to AA-AAA. It was obviously a rehab assignment.

He was demoted from Scranton to Trenton. He had a pretty bad year.

dwalteroo
11-13-2008, 03:08 PM
IKIT.

He's made too many great moves for me to second guess trading Swisher. I love the guy, but time to move on.

Rockabilly
11-13-2008, 03:08 PM
I trust KW

So lets see how these guys do before we bad mouth the trade...

turners56
11-13-2008, 03:09 PM
I liked Sweeney but I will hold my fire on Kenny until he finishes his off season...maybe freeing up the Swish cash will translate to something decent down the line.

Yeah, his $3 million paycheck was really dragging down the payroll.

For what it's worth, I think we gave up on Swisher way too early. He's what, 28? We have him for at least two more years at a reasonable price. He's versatile and has good power. That's part of the reason that I don't like this trade all that much.

Iwritecode
11-13-2008, 03:09 PM
The organization is still high on Fields...

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but the possibility is still there that Konerko is moved.

Who would play first if Konerko leaves?

nasox
11-13-2008, 03:10 PM
My first reaction is that we bought high and sold low, but who knows, maybe this Marquez is a stud. All I know is, let the misspellings begin!

HawkDJ
11-13-2008, 03:10 PM
Did we just trade Aaron Rowand?

white sox bill
11-13-2008, 03:10 PM
Who would play first if Konerko leaves?
Mark Tex

CashMan
11-13-2008, 03:10 PM
Who would play first if Konerko leaves?

Fields?

DSpivack
11-13-2008, 03:11 PM
Mark Tex

Dream on.

soxfan43
11-13-2008, 03:11 PM
Who would play first if Konerko leaves?

Fields, Dye, Betemit, that new cuban? But my guess is , Konerko ain't going nowhere.

CashMan
11-13-2008, 03:11 PM
Yeah, his $3 million paycheck was really dragging down the payroll.

For what it's worth, I think we gave up on Swisher way too early. He's what, 28? We have him for at least two more years at a reasonable price. He's versatile and has good power. That's part of the reason that I don't like this trade all that much.

Yeah....and that .220 avg, I LOVE it!

white sox bill
11-13-2008, 03:12 PM
Dream on.
Please don't wake me!!

hawkjt
11-13-2008, 03:12 PM
Yeah, his $3 million paycheck was really dragging down the payroll.

For what it's worth, I think we gave up on Swisher way too early. He's what, 28? We have him for at least two more years at a reasonable price. He's versatile and has good power. That's part of the reason that I don't like this trade all that much.


I know his money was not big...and that swish may have a bounceback year, but I also cannot believe that Kenny has no plan here. I agree that on paper...I did not like the original trade, now this almost compounds the mistake, ...on paper. Maybe marquez turns into this years Floyd and I am a happy camper. KW has earned some trust.

Sargeant79
11-13-2008, 03:12 PM
I know nothing about Johnny Nunez. Info anyone?

sox1970
11-13-2008, 03:14 PM
If Swisher was freaked out by the media coverage in Chicago, he'll have a helluva time in NY.

More than likely, he wanted to leave and the Sox obliged.

HawkDJ
11-13-2008, 03:14 PM
From the ever reliable Wikipedia, Nunez apparently has a 94 mph sinker, which I'm sure KW loves. I think someone mentioned he looks like a potential closer.

turners56
11-13-2008, 03:15 PM
Yeah....and that .220 avg, I LOVE it!

His OBP was still .330. He has the tools to be a good player, he was a decent player in Oakland, but was put into a complete tornado here by first leading off and playing center field, two things he had never done regularly before. Then after losing his confidence as a leadoff man, he gets pushed down to the 8th hole where he did play better. Then we had to shift him to first for a while because of Konerko. Then into left for Quentin and then in a platoon. That's pretty crazy if you ask me. Put him into a stable position and a stable spot in a batting order and he might have done better. We'll see how he does with the Yankees and how the prospects pan out.

btrain929
11-13-2008, 03:15 PM
I know nothing about Johnny Nunez. Info anyone?

Just a quick look at the stats, in '07 and beginning of '08 he was pretty bad as a starter. Then they switched him to the reliever role, and he's been pretty good. He's also only just turning 23 at the end of this year.

voodoochile
11-13-2008, 03:16 PM
So is Betimet the new 3rd baseman? What is his story? Any good?

More likely you're going to see an open copetition with Nix, Getz, Fields and Betemit fighting it out for the two open slots. Betemit probably is no worse than Uribe as a utility backup guy but is a lot cheaper - this is just from looking at stats.

He's not much of a defender - especially at 3B, so who knows if he'll be a starter or just the guy on the bench filling in gaps.

Rockabilly
11-13-2008, 03:16 PM
I know nothing about Johnny Nunez. Info anyone?

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jhonny%20Nunez&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=471919

btrain929
11-13-2008, 03:16 PM
Yeah, his $3 million paycheck was really dragging down the payroll.

For what it's worth, I think we gave up on Swisher way too early. He's what, 28? We have him for at least two more years at a reasonable price. He's versatile and has good power. That's part of the reason that I don't like this trade all that much.

2009 Salary = 5.3 million.

pudge
11-13-2008, 03:17 PM
Prima facie, this is the worst trade of KW's tenure. Even if Swisher is doomed to be a .220-.240 hitter for life, that seems to be of greater value than this obscure prospect.

Oh there's a shock, homefish is not happy!

kittle42
11-13-2008, 03:17 PM
How about some better news coming once FA signing starts tonight?

turners56
11-13-2008, 03:18 PM
I know his money was not big...and that swish may have a bounceback year, but I also cannot believe that Kenny has no plan here. I agree that on paper...I did not like the original trade, now this almost compounds the mistake, ...on paper. Maybe marquez turns into this years Floyd and I am a happy camper. KW has earned some trust.

I know that the Yankees have a really good system, but the guys who panned out (like Danks and Floyd) were top organizational jewels on their respective teams, not #7 and #9 in their organizations. That's where I see a difference.

white sox bill
11-13-2008, 03:18 PM
Wasn't Swish vocally upset about being benched late in yr? Ozzie probably didn't like that

gogosox16
11-13-2008, 03:18 PM
Everyone here can speculate as much as they want, but until they actually start playing meaningful games in late March/April, this will be up for debate. Kenny knows what he's doing and he has always been able to have a team that is able to compete.

turners56
11-13-2008, 03:18 PM
2009 Salary = 5.3 million.

Well, his 2008 salary was 3.6 million. :redface:

oeo
11-13-2008, 03:18 PM
How about some better news coming once FA signing starts tonight?

This trade just opens up room for CC and Texeira.

skobabe8
11-13-2008, 03:18 PM
If Swisher was freaked out by the media coverage in Chicago, he'll have a helluva time in NY.

More than likely, he wanted to leave and the Sox obliged.

He was? He sure never acted like it.

oeo
11-13-2008, 03:19 PM
He was? He sure never acted like it.

Yeah, I think it was more of the Chicago media being freaked out by Swisher.

doublem23
11-13-2008, 03:19 PM
I feel bad for everyone who bought a Nick Swisher jersey.

nasox
11-13-2008, 03:19 PM
This trade just opens up room for CC and Texeira.

Tex, maybe. CC, no way in hell we sign him.

rdwj
11-13-2008, 03:19 PM
Well, I didn't expect that. KW has earned my trust, so I'll wait and see

Evman5
11-13-2008, 03:19 PM
Damn I am really going to miss "Dirty Thirty," I thought that he was going to have a big bounce back year. I will wait to see what these new guys can do before making final judgement.

BainesHOF
11-13-2008, 03:20 PM
Good riddance.

Not only didn't Swisher produce, but he pouted like a baby when benched at the end of the season.

oeo
11-13-2008, 03:20 PM
Tex, maybe. CC, no way in hell we sign him.

Sarcasm, my friend. Neither will be coming to the Sox.

kevingrt
11-13-2008, 03:21 PM
I like the move for Betemit. We have so many options at 2B now it is wonderful!

CashMan
11-13-2008, 03:21 PM
His OBP was still .330. He has the tools to be a good player, he was a decent player in Oakland, but was put into a complete tornado here by first leading off and playing center field, two things he had never done regularly before. Then after losing his confidence as a leadoff man, he gets pushed down to the 8th hole where he did play better. Then we had to shift him to first for a while because of Konerko. Then into left for Quentin and then in a platoon. That's pretty crazy if you ask me. Put him into a stable position and a stable spot in a batting order and he might have done better. We'll see how he does with the Yankees and how the prospects pan out.


Hmmm. I am going to try to use this logic. TCQ, never played an entire year before, was put into the #3 hole, and didn't struggle. I don't think he ever did that in his career. You cannot drive people in getting walks.

nasox
11-13-2008, 03:21 PM
Sarcasm, my friend. Neither will be coming to the Sox.

Teal is your friend.

pythons007
11-13-2008, 03:22 PM
I like the move for Betemit. We have so many options at 2B now it is wonderful!


I hope you're kidding! Not one of them is a good option.

gogosox16
11-13-2008, 03:23 PM
I feel bad for everyone who bought a Nick Swisher jersey.
I'm glad I didn't and decided to go with TCQ:cool:

pythons007
11-13-2008, 03:23 PM
I haven't read an article that said Nunez is involved in a trade, where was that said? Someone else mentioned Melkey Cabrera, and Betemit where are they mentioned?!?!:scratch:

sox1970
11-13-2008, 03:23 PM
Yankees also get RHP Kanekoa Texeira. Sorry if this has been posted.

MushMouth
11-13-2008, 03:23 PM
From the ever reliable Wikipedia, Nunez apparently has a 94 mph sinker, which I'm sure KW loves. I think someone mentioned he looks like a potential closer.

just looking at his stats, but it clearly looks like last year he was in the pen at AA... striking tons of guys out. Looks like they shifted him from starter-to-pen in '07.

pythons007
11-13-2008, 03:24 PM
Yankees also get RHP Kanekoa Texeira. Sorry if this has been posted.

So wait we give more than just Swisher for Marquez? Link please!

btrain929
11-13-2008, 03:24 PM
Best case scenario, Marquez turns into a cheaper Garland (gives up alotta hits, mid-4 ERA, but keeps the ball in the park), Betemit is a super-sub being able to play all positions and switch hits (Ozzie will have fun using him), and Jhonny Nunez is a good middle reliever for us in the next year or two. Potentially we could have just filled multiple holes, but again, this is all best-case scenario.

veeter
11-13-2008, 03:24 PM
I'm thinking Nunez is the sleeper of this trade. The Yanks got him from the Nationals originally. Betemit is a journeyman and Marquez seems like roster filler to me.

turners56
11-13-2008, 03:25 PM
Hmmm. I am going to try to use this logic. TCQ, never played an entire year before, was put into the #3 hole, and didn't struggle. I don't think he ever did that in his career. You cannot drive people in getting walks.

Completely false logic. Like Swisher, TCQ is a corner outfielder. Swisher does not have the range and instincts to play center field and neither does Quentin. Although Quentin is a great hitter, unlike Swisher, he is not a leadoff hitter. Therefore, the possibility of him succeeding would be almost as bad as Swisher's. It also means that his production will fall sharply due to batting with nobody on base most of the time (he only batted .245 last year with the bases empty).

BTW, walks are just as good as hits, as long as there is nobody in scoring position.

sox1970
11-13-2008, 03:26 PM
He was? He sure never acted like it.

He mentioned late in the season that he wasn't used to the media criticism and booing, since they were laid back in the Bay area.

cws05champ
11-13-2008, 03:27 PM
Makes no sense to me....obviously there is more going on here, but this trade in a vacuum doesn't make sense to me. Now a trade of Konerko leaves 1B open...a trade of Dye we can't put Swish at one of the corner OF spots. I don't get it....

DeadMoney
11-13-2008, 03:27 PM
So wait we give more than just Swisher for Marquez? Link please!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3700869

Lip Man 1
11-13-2008, 03:28 PM
And remember last week Kenny was quoted as saying that Swisher would not be playing center field in 2009.

Lip

doublem23
11-13-2008, 03:28 PM
Makes no sense to me....obviously there is more going on here, but this trade in a vacuum doesn't make sense to me. Now a trade of Konerko leaves 1B open...a trade of Dye we can't put Swish at one of the corner OF spots. I don't get it....

Maybe they're not going to trade Konerko and Dye?

DSpivack
11-13-2008, 03:28 PM
Makes no sense to me....obviously there is more going on here, but this trade in a vacuum doesn't make sense to me. Now a trade of Konerko leaves 1B open...a trade of Dye we can't put Swish at one of the corner OF spots. I don't get it....

Well, we aren't in a vacuum. We'll see what the offseason has to unfold. Patience.

voodoochile
11-13-2008, 03:29 PM
Best case scenario, Marquez turns into a cheaper Garland (gives up alotta hits, mid-4 ERA, but keeps the ball in the park), Betemit is a super-sub being able to play all positions and switch hits (Ozzie will have fun using him), and Jhonny Nunez is a good middle reliever for us in the next year or two. Potentially we could have just filled multiple holes, but again, this is all best-case scenario.

And another $4M to play with. Right now KW has $24M and has added some depth to compete in the IF. That's a starting pitcher and one of the 3B/2B positions.

I'm not ecstatic. I'd have liked to give Swish another year, but he really didn't have a position here and obviously OG lost confidence in him. 2 minor league arms and a cheaper version of Uribe isn't a horrible yield.

russ99
11-13-2008, 03:29 PM
I like the move for Betemit. We have so many options at 2B now it is wonderful!

Betemit stinks. He's never played full time, and is a high power/low defense utility guy. Both Nix and Getz are better, and I don't trust either with the starting 2B job. But I guess this the best we can expect for Swisher who had a pretty awful year.

Well, I'm not pleased, mostly because this likely means another pouty, slumpy year of Konerko. I hope Kenny has something else up his sleeve and I hope those pitchers pan out...

btrain929
11-13-2008, 03:29 PM
I'm thinking Nunez is the sleeper of this trade. The Yanks got him from the Nationals originally. Betemit is a journeyman and Marquez seems like roster filler to me.

You could be right. I found this article about the mid-season trade when Nunez was sent to the Yanks. They say he has a power fastball and improving slider, and that he just didn't have enough pitches and stamina to be a starter. But since being moved to reliever, he has a high ceiling there and might be very effective. Again, he's only 22 turning 23 shortly.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2008/266612.html

Rockabilly
11-13-2008, 03:30 PM
I guess its safe to say Uribe won't be back

I wonder if KW is still going to trade Dye.. this team needs a lot more speed

pythons007
11-13-2008, 03:30 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3700869

Well this trade makes even less sense for the Yankees from what the Yankees already have. He is going to be a 4th outfielder and possibly the 1B for next year. So they potentially won't be going after Tex at all and trying for CC and Burnett.

btrain929
11-13-2008, 03:31 PM
Makes no sense to me....obviously there is more going on here, but this trade in a vacuum doesn't make sense to me. Now a trade of Konerko leaves 1B open...a trade of Dye we can't put Swish at one of the corner OF spots. I don't get it....

Now Konerko doesn't get traded.....

Daver
11-13-2008, 03:32 PM
Now Konerko doesn't get traded.....

Your the same expert that guaranteed Swisher wasn't being traded.

oeo
11-13-2008, 03:32 PM
Now Konerko doesn't get traded.....

Who knows what Kenny's got planned...

Let's just hope it all works out, otherwise, yeek.

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 03:32 PM
maybe he is using reverse psychology...:redneck

gogosox16
11-13-2008, 03:32 PM
I guess its safe to say Uribe won't be back

I wonder if KW is still going to trade Dye.. this team needs a lot more speed
If the Sox do trade Dye, they would be losing 2/3 of their starting outfield from last year. However, If we were able to get a leadoff hitter to play center/left (TCQ to right), and another asset to our bullpen I would be for it

Rockabilly
11-13-2008, 03:33 PM
KW got screwed by the NTC since he couldn't trade PK or Thome..

cheezheadsoxfan
11-13-2008, 03:33 PM
"Freddy Garcia for WHO???"

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 03:34 PM
I wasn't too upset with the Garcia trade I thought he was on his last legs anyways...

gogosox16
11-13-2008, 03:34 PM
I really hope the next move is to sign the 19 year old Cuban 3rd baseman. I heard he's suppose to sign within a week...

SoxFan88
11-13-2008, 03:35 PM
Just glad that I won't have to see Swish in CF next year.

veeter
11-13-2008, 03:35 PM
KW got screwed by the NTC since he couldn't trade PK or Thome..Those things can always be waived.

beasly213
11-13-2008, 03:36 PM
Man. Why all the Swisher love? This was a sallary dump. He as a low .200s hitter with below avg. to avg. defense. He was a nice guy but not a great ballplayer.

Going to be a lot of people upset they bought dirty 30 jerseys.

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 03:37 PM
last year Betemit 50 hits and 56 strikeouts real quality guy there...

soltrain21
11-13-2008, 03:37 PM
Who knows what Kenny's got planned...

Let's just hope it all works out, otherwise, yeek.

Yeek? We traded a guy who was benched at the end of the year.

PatK
11-13-2008, 03:37 PM
I fail to see how this helps us.

Our big needs are a leadoff hitter, starting pitcher, and centerfielder.

We didn't get any of those.

And now seeing the Cubs got Gregg from the Marlins for jack ****, I'm mad.

WhiteSox5187
11-13-2008, 03:37 PM
Well, I didn't like the trade that brought Swisher here in the first place but I kind of like this trade even though we're not getting the jewels of the Yankees farm system, but we knew we weren't going to get that from Swisher anyways. But I don't think the names have been finalized, I'd like to see who exactly we got.

oeo
11-13-2008, 03:37 PM
Man. Why all the Swisher love? This was a sallary dump. He as a low .200s hitter with below avg. to avg. defense. He was a nice guy but not a great ballplayer.

Going to be a lot of people upset they bought dirty 30 jerseys.

A salary dump? Go check out what Swisher is making.

And he's a mid-.200 hitter...an off year doesn't change that.

soltrain21
11-13-2008, 03:38 PM
I fail to see how this helps us.

Our big needs are a leadoff hitter, starting pitcher, and centerfielder.

We didn't get any of those.

And now seeing the Cubs got Gregg from the Marlins for jack ****, I'm mad.


Did you think you would get something of impact in ANY of those positions for Nick Swisher? Give me a break.


And yes. Bring the Cubs into it. Why not?

EMachine10
11-13-2008, 03:38 PM
Any guesses as to how many tomato awards this thread gets? At least 6?

WhiteSox5187
11-13-2008, 03:39 PM
Man. Why all the Swisher love? This was a sallary dump. He as a low .200s hitter with below avg. to avg. defense. He was a nice guy but not a great ballplayer.

Going to be a lot of people upset they bought dirty 30 jerseys.
But, but his OPS! He hits for power! And besides, BA is a lousy way to judge a hitter.

DeadMoney
11-13-2008, 03:39 PM
I fail to see how this helps us.

Our big needs are a leadoff hitter, starting pitcher, and centerfielder.

We didn't get any of those.

And now seeing the Cubs got Gregg from the Marlins for jack ****, I'm mad.

We gave up a guy who hit .220! How is that supposed to help fill those needs when he's sitting on our bench making $5+ million (not to mention the money owed in 2010 and 2011)?

getonbckthr
11-13-2008, 03:39 PM
Just got the email from the Sox, they hype it as we got Wilson Betemit for Nick Swisher.

btrain929
11-13-2008, 03:40 PM
Your the same expert that guaranteed Swisher wasn't being traded.

I also said that he wasn't going to be "shopped." You don't know if I was wrong on that. KW might not have been "shopping" Swisher, but the Yanks came to him with this offer and, to KW, knocked his socks off because he loves all 3 players and he accepted.

I was willing to put money on it. You should have took me up on that offer, you could of had more bingo-money to play with.

soltrain21
11-13-2008, 03:41 PM
I also said that he wasn't going to be "shopped." You don't know if I was wrong on that. KW might not have been "shopping" Swisher, but the Yanks came to him with this offer and, to KW, knocked his socks off because he loves all 3 players and he accepted.

I was willing to put money on it. You should have took me up on that offer, you could of had more bingo-money to play with.


I don't understand this stupid rivalry you have with him.

Daver
11-13-2008, 03:42 PM
I also said that he wasn't going to be "shopped." You don't know if I was wrong on that. KW might not have been "shopping" Swisher, but the Yanks came to him with this offer and, to KW, knocked his socks off because he loves all 3 players and he accepted.

I was willing to put money on it. You should have took me up on that offer, you could of had more bingo-money to play with.

Why so you could look that much more foolish?

I think you do owe Brian26 something though.

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 03:42 PM
Just got the email from the Sox, they hype it as we got Wilson Betemit for Nick Swisher.

Betemit has terrible stats! http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4968

btrain929
11-13-2008, 03:42 PM
I fail to see how this helps us.

Our big needs are a leadoff hitter, starting pitcher, and centerfielder.

We didn't get any of those.

And now seeing the Cubs got Gregg from the Marlins for jack ****, I'm mad.

I wouldn't be surprised if KW wants Marquez to battle Richard for the 5th starter spot.

wilburaga
11-13-2008, 03:42 PM
Betemit is Uribe without the glove. I'd be surprised if he made the team. As Swisher's guaranteed salary escalates over the next few years clubs will be playing hot potato with him unless he drastically improves his performance. I think he had the lowest batting averages of all MLB players with 500+ at bats.

W

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 03:44 PM
does he at least have uribe's arm?

sox1970
11-13-2008, 03:44 PM
Betemit has terrible stats! http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4968

He's a throw in. Uribe's replacement. The minor league pitchers>Betemit.

pmck003
11-13-2008, 03:44 PM
Does Betemit still have room to develop? It says he joined the Braves in 1996 as a 14 year old (I guess that is too young and the Braves were penalized). He's about a year younger than Swisher.

Rockabilly
11-13-2008, 03:44 PM
what I don't understand is KW wants more speed on this team.. Than we get another slow runner in Betemit..

EMachine10
11-13-2008, 03:44 PM
Betemit has terrible stats! http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4968
He used to be a real hot prospect with the Braves and put up some decent numbers in ATL when given a chance, but they shipped him off to LA and he never seemed to get comfortable. And, besides, did Swisher really have great stats?? By the way, I'm in no way trying to endorse Betemit, just giving a little input. He may be just a guy looking for a fresh start.

veeter
11-13-2008, 03:45 PM
Just got the email from the Sox, they hype it as we got Wilson Betemit for Nick Swisher.He'll be the forgotten man when it's all said and done.

PatK
11-13-2008, 03:46 PM
Did you think you would get something of impact in ANY of those positions for Nick Swisher? Give me a break.


And yes. Bring the Cubs into it. Why not?

Because lately they have a better record of steals in trades.

Although looking at the Gregg trade again, it's not as great as it looks.

Rocky Soprano
11-13-2008, 03:47 PM
I also said that he wasn't going to be "shopped." You don't know if I was wrong on that. KW might not have been "shopping" Swisher, but the Yanks came to him with this offer and, to KW, knocked his socks off because he loves all 3 players and he accepted.


:?:

Just wipe the pie off your face already.

btrain929
11-13-2008, 03:47 PM
what I don't understand is KW wants more speed on this team.. Than we get another slow runner in Betemit..

He's not going to be a starter, so it's going from Uribe to Betemit. That's probably a wash. Uribe will make 3-5 million next year, while Betemit will probably make around 1.5.

veeter
11-13-2008, 03:47 PM
Because lately they have a better record of steals in trades.

Although looking at the Gregg trade again, it's not as great as it looks.No they don't.

FedEx227
11-13-2008, 03:47 PM
He used to be a real hot prospect with the Braves and put up some decent numbers in ATL when given a chance, but they shipped him off to LA and he never seemed to get comfortable. And, besides, did Swisher really have great stats??

The worst human being in the world:
.244/.354/.451

Betemit:
.260/.325/.437

oeo
11-13-2008, 03:48 PM
what I don't understand is KW wants more speed on this team.. Than we get another slow runner in Betemit..

Yeah, since Betemit will be starting...

He's a ****ing bench player.

champagne030
11-13-2008, 03:48 PM
Yeek? We traded a guy who was benched at the end of the year.

For a mediocre utility player, a minor league prospect who was demoted a level last season for poor performance and another minor league prospect who was converted to a reliever after poor results in A ball this year.

Marquez and Nunez look like they do have some potential, but it appears we sold low on Swisher.

btrain929
11-13-2008, 03:48 PM
:?:

Just wipe the pie off your face already.

No thank you.

pythons007
11-13-2008, 03:48 PM
Because lately they have a better record of steals in trades.

Although looking at the Gregg trade again, it's not as great as it looks.

At the end of the season from what I recall Gregg and management didn't see eye to eye. He was expendable. If he wasn't a closer last year, no one would think anything of him. He is a Marlin closer and as soon as they trade or release their closers they suck. (Borowski, T. Jones, Urbina)

kidmccarthy
11-13-2008, 03:49 PM
This gives me the opportunity to say what I have said several times on game threads. Nick Swisher was a 'roider. Clear and simple. Oakland players use steroids, thrive and are traded, and see their numbers go down. This trade is not great, but Swisher wasn't either. I am happy to have around 4 mil more to spend on this great FA class, and feel confident Kenny has a plan. I am just glad I don't need to watch Swish strike out looking in the eigth or ninth inning and give that dumbfounded look to the umpire. O well.

veeter
11-13-2008, 03:50 PM
He's a throw in. Uribe's replacement. The minor league pitchers>Betemit.Yes, yes, yes.

FedEx227
11-13-2008, 03:50 PM
Well there goes most of the trade flexibility we had.

I was really hoping we'd wait out the Tex signing and sell Konerko to whomever didn't get Mark, but I guess that's done.

Viva Konerko!

WhiteSox5187
11-13-2008, 03:50 PM
what I don't understand is KW wants more speed on this team.. Than we get another slow runner in Betemit..
Again, I think Betemit is just Uribe's replacement.

oeo
11-13-2008, 03:50 PM
For a mediocre utility player, a minor league prospect who was demoted a level last season for poor performance and another minor league prospect who was converted to a reliever after poor results in A ball this year.

Marquez and Nunez look like they do have some potential, but it appears we sold low on Swisher.

Well yeah. Any trade after that terrible season was selling low.

I always thought things were okay, but maybe Swisher wanted out?

Demps2
11-13-2008, 03:52 PM
what did we expect to get for a guy who is a product of Cell-induced power and hits under .220????? He has average speed, can play different positions, as well as switch hit. Did you really think Cano was coming back???? Betemit could make the team, could not. He is a throw in. It's the young kids they are banking this deal on. I am not saying the Sox robbed NYY but really, how much trade value do you think Swish had??? He won't even start for the Yankees. Just frees up some $$$$

one question for you-what did you guys think of the Garcia and McCarthy trades when they were made, and what do you think now? Prospects are a gamble, but can be priceless if they can play and you can control their salaries.

hi im skot
11-13-2008, 03:52 PM
This trade just opens up room for CC and Texeira.

Niiiiiice!

veeter
11-13-2008, 03:53 PM
Well yeah. Any trade after that terrible season was selling low.

I always thought things were okay, but maybe Swisher wanted out?Kenny's not stupid. He knows Swish could very well bounce back. There was something more to his departure, I agree with you.

Rockabilly
11-13-2008, 03:53 PM
He's not going to be a starter, so it's going from Uribe to Betemit. That's probably a wash. Uribe will make 3-5 million next year, while Betemit will probably make around 1.5.

I rather have Getz or sign Punto to replace Uribe

FedEx227
11-13-2008, 03:53 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/4599_1BOF_season_mini_7_20080930.png
Remember this.

As others are saying, something had to have happen more than just baseball.

oeo
11-13-2008, 03:54 PM
I rather have Getz or sign Punto to replace Uribe

Getz can really only play second base. Bad plan.

Rockabilly
11-13-2008, 03:56 PM
Getz can really only play second base. Bad plan.

I would go with 11 pitchers and have 2 middle INF backups.

btrain929
11-13-2008, 03:57 PM
Getz can really only play second base. Bad plan.

And Punto is bad outside of the dome. So, Betemit is replacing Uribe. Sorry 'billy lol.

thedudeabides
11-13-2008, 03:57 PM
Well yeah. Any trade after that terrible season was selling low.

I always thought things were okay, but maybe Swisher wanted out?

Selling low is a relative term. How could they not sell low after this year? The fact is none of these players may end up starting for either team by the end of next year. But, the Yankees have the payroll flexibility to take the chance. The Sox don't. If Swish had a repeat of last season, you wouldn't even be able to sell low on him. You'd be stuck with his escalating salary. I think Kenny just wanted out while he still could.

WhiteSox5187
11-13-2008, 03:58 PM
Selling low is a relative term. How could they not sell low after this year? The fact is none of these players may end up starting for either team by the end of next year. But, the Yankees have the payroll flexibility to take the chance. The Sox don't. If Swish had a repeat of last season, you wouldn't even be able to sell low on him. You'd be stuck with his escalating salary. I think Kenny just wanted out while he still could.
That's a good point, I also think that Swisher may have burned some bridges when he was bitching about his lack of playing time in September. In the end, Swish was a bust here.

hi im skot
11-13-2008, 04:01 PM
Well there goes most of the trade flexibility we had.

I was really hoping we'd wait out the Tex signing and sell Konerko to whomever didn't get Mark, but I guess that's done.

Viva Konerko!

Frater's pissed.

oeo
11-13-2008, 04:02 PM
Selling low is a relative term. How could they not sell low after this year? The fact is none of these players may end up starting for either team by the end of next year. But, the Yankees have the payroll flexibility to take the chance. The Sox don't. If Swish had a repeat of last season, you wouldn't even be able to sell low on him. You'd be stuck with his escalating salary. I think Kenny just wanted out while he still could.

Well, I think we can find out a little bit of what was going on when Swisher comments about the trade. If he's not saying how he was surprised or whatever, then I think he wanted out.

Swish is a good guy, he's not going to say a single bad thing about the Sox in public.

Rocky Soprano
11-13-2008, 04:02 PM
Selling low is a relative term. How could they not sell low after this year? The fact is none of these players may end up starting for either team by the end of next year. But, the Yankees have the payroll flexibility to take the chance. The Sox don't. If Swish had a repeat of last season, you wouldn't even be able to sell low on him. You'd be stuck with his escalating salary. I think Kenny just wanted out while he still could.

Great post. As others have mentioned, Swisher, seemed to be unhappy and wanted out. I don't love the trade but understand it.

btrain929
11-13-2008, 04:07 PM
So does this make Jenks as our only logical trading chip? Dye can't go anywhere now with nobody here to replace him, Thome's been safe, and Konerko is a lot more safe then he was yesterday.

Now I really wonder who's gonna be our CF this year. Someone reported that KW told the Reds last year (who asked about BA) that BA was going to be our starting CF this year. Is he really going to go that route? BA, Getz, Fields, and Richard all starting?

The offseason has officially begun. :D:

FedEx227
11-13-2008, 04:08 PM
So does this make Jenks as our only logical trading chip? Dye can't go anywhere now with nobody here to replace him, Thome's been safe, and Konerko is a lot more safe then he was yesterday.


This trade hurt a lot of the flexibility we once had. Something I thought would really help us this offseason. :angry::angry:

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 04:08 PM
we have some yankees prospects to trade now :redneck

oeo
11-13-2008, 04:08 PM
Frater's pissed.

If KW can get a deal for Konerko, I'm sure he'll hop on it.

I mentioned it earlier in the thread: remember, while all of you hate Josh Fields, the organization still feels highly of him. Maybe he makes the move to first? Maybe we acquire a first baseman in another trade?

I always thought a trade of Konerko was unlikely, but who knows? I also thought Kenny would never sell low on Swisher. The offseason is far from over, sit back and strap it down.

Lundind1
11-13-2008, 04:10 PM
This is a chance for the Sox to help free up some room on the payroll. I know that people were trying to dump PK but I think he is more of a long term answer than Swish would have been. I know that this one kinda hurts the clubhouse because Nick brought a lot of good character to this team. With the plan to start rebuilding the system in place I think that this deal will allow us to start stocking up on pitching. This will ultimately give us more flexibility in the long run. Swish is going to be harder to deal as time goes on.

DaveFeelsRight
11-13-2008, 04:12 PM
i cant believe the sox gave up on swisher

gr8mexico
11-13-2008, 04:16 PM
I think something big is coming. By trading Swisher they save 5.3 Mil this year. Then they let Joe Crede, Juan Uribe,Ken Griffey & Orlando Cabrera go, that's a savings of over $25mil. Also if Javier Vazquez does get treded that's another 10mil.

oeo
11-13-2008, 04:17 PM
I think something big is coming. By trading Swisher they save 5.3 Mil this year. Then they let Joe Crede, Juan Uribe,Ken Griffey & Orlando Cabrera go, that's a savings of over $25mil. Also if Javier Vazquez does get treded that's another 10mil.

A-Rod!

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 04:18 PM
OEO needs to use teal before someone actually believes he is being serious

Craig Grebeck
11-13-2008, 04:19 PM
Not very happy at all about this. The return from the Yankees would have been average to adequate, but I'm not thrilled about giving up Kanekoa. Time will tell.

oeo
11-13-2008, 04:19 PM
OEO needs to use teal before someone actually believes he is being serious

lol, isn't it blatantly obvious?

skobabe8
11-13-2008, 04:19 PM
The Yankees believe Swisher's poor average was a function of a strained relationship with Chisox manager Ozzie Guillen (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ozzie+Guillen), major-league sources said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/11/13/2008-11-13_yankees_acquire_nick_swisher_from_white_.html

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 04:19 PM
Well that's 2 tomatoes....

#1swisher
11-13-2008, 04:19 PM
Daily News Sports Writer Bill Madden/Anthony McCarron report.

The Yankees believe Swisher's poor average was a function of a strained relationship with manager Ozzie Guillen, major-league sources said.

posted by Scobabe8 earlier.

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 04:20 PM
lol, isn't it blatantly obvious?

You'd think but I've seen some guys get pissed about that stuff...

oeo
11-13-2008, 04:20 PM
You'd think but I've seen some guys get pissed about that stuff...

And I say to them: lighten up.

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 04:20 PM
HA! :redneck

oeo
11-13-2008, 04:21 PM
The Yankees believe Swisher's poor average was a function of a strained relationship with Chisox manager Ozzie Guillen (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ozzie+Guillen), major-league sources said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/11/13/2008-11-13_yankees_acquire_nick_swisher_from_white_.html

The strained relationship is interesting, but his average was ****ty all year. That's a bad excuse.

I guess that's what happens when you have two really out there personalities.

esbrechtel
11-13-2008, 04:23 PM
I think that is BS....Swisher was bad when Ozzie "liked" him...

Sockinchisox
11-13-2008, 04:23 PM
Jesse Rogers on the score right now.

PennStater98r
11-13-2008, 04:25 PM
I wonder if this is a move to 'make room.'

To me, this is one of two things - a make room move or a trade that Swisher requested b/c he sat the bench at the end of last season.

veeter
11-13-2008, 04:28 PM
I think that is BS....Swisher was bad when Ozzie "liked" him...Lame excuse. This is why he was shown the door. Ozzie probably said, "Hey Swish how 'bout a hit this week." Then Nick curled up into a little ball.

GoGoCrede
11-13-2008, 04:28 PM
I feel bad for everyone who bought a Nick Swisher jersey.

I have a jersey t-shirt of his, so it's not quite as bad. But I'll miss the guy. He might have had a bad season, but he was pretty funny, especially in that short vid he and Toby made.

And I'll never forget his grand slam off Dempster. One of my favorite games.

Jerome
11-13-2008, 04:28 PM
I talked with a Yankees fan just now who said he's sorry to see Marquez go, thinks he was gonna be a pretty good pitcher.

And lol'd at my friend for buying a custom "Dirty 30" t-shirt on the last regular season game.

Lundind1
11-13-2008, 04:30 PM
I wonder if this is a move to 'make room.'

To me, this is one of two things - a make room move or a trade that Swisher requested b/c he sat the bench at the end of last season.

He should have been an everyday player. I think that it was unfair to assume that a guy with his skill and talent should not see more playing time. I think that it will be a move that pays off for both parties. Just like the Willie Harris situation, he wanted more playing time and left a contender to get less playing time....lol.

oeo
11-13-2008, 04:30 PM
Lame excuse. This is why he was shown the door. Ozzie probably said, "Hey Swish how 'bout a hit this week." Then Nick curled up into a little ball.

:lol:

Except it probably contained multiple expletives.

He should have been an everyday player. I think that it was unfair to assume that a guy with his skill and talent should not see more playing time. I think that it will be a move that pays off for both parties. Just like the Willie Harris situation, he wanted more playing time and left a contender to get less playing time....lol.

Swisher lost playing time because he wasn't playing well. It's not like Ozzie sat him on the bench for personal reasons.

white sox bill
11-13-2008, 04:30 PM
[quote=skobabe8;2100833]The Yankees believe Swisher's poor average was a function of a strained relationship with Chisox manager Ozzie Guillen (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ozzie+Guillen), major-league sources said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/11/13/2008-11-13_yankees_acquire_nick_swisher_from_white_.html[/quote

I figured that..as I stated ealier, he didn't like being benched. He is on record as saying that. Once in Oz's doghouse, well ask Sean Tracy

PennStater98r
11-13-2008, 04:31 PM
Name me a prospect, who Kenny has traded away and is producing. Other than Sweeney who hit .300 for a good amount of the year, you cannot name one.

Chris Young

palehozenychicty
11-13-2008, 04:31 PM
Man. Why all the Swisher love? This was a sallary dump. He as a low .200s hitter with below avg. to avg. defense. He was a nice guy but not a great ballplayer.

Going to be a lot of people upset they bought dirty 30 jerseys.

Exactly. People are acting like we gave up a quality cog in our lineup. Even at his best, he's replaceable.

Lundind1
11-13-2008, 04:32 PM
I have a jersey t-shirt of his, so it's not quite as bad. But I'll miss the guy. He might have had a bad season, but he was pretty funny, especially in that short vid he and Toby made.

And I'll never forget his grand slam off Dempster. One of my favorite games.


Put it away in a Sox collection. Pull them out every so often and remember this heart-attack of a thrilling season.

russ99
11-13-2008, 04:32 PM
Not very happy at all about this. The return from the Yankees would have been average to adequate, but I'm not thrilled about giving up Kanekoa. Time will tell.

Well, Kanekoa was at least 2 years away and Kenny watched Marquez pitch in the Arizona Fall League, so maybe it's a Floyd-like sleeper move for a guy who can fill the 5th starter spot better than Richard.

The other kid Munoz had a heck of a year in AA, his first as a reliever, and is more advanced at this point than Texeira.

I have no problems whatsoever on the minor league side of this deal. I just hope Kenny doesn't still buy the hype on Betemit. He's a sub at best.

raven1
11-13-2008, 04:34 PM
This trade makes perfect sense - the White Sox moved a player they really don't have a spot for on the team, anything they got for him is a bonus. I wouldn't want to see Swisher in the starting lineup in place of any of the guys he would replace: Konerko, Dye, Thome, Anderson, or Owens. Ozzie also belatedly came to that conclusion by the end of the season.

If you don't think the Sox got enough for Swisher, keep in mind that because of his age & long-term contract he had higher trade value than anyone else on the team who everyone thinks would somehow bring back a top-tier leadoff hitter or starter: Konerko, Dye, Vasquez, or Thome.

This trade shows that the Sox are probably close to set with the roster for next year - maybe one or two more trades or a free agent signing, but no major overhaul involving multiple veterans. They have internal players to fill the openings they have (Fields/Getz/Nix/Richard/Poreda/Broadway). I'm ok with that, since they are already one of the top 4 teams in the AL (and by extension all of baseball for that matter) and doing too much more would likely make them less worse.

Sox4ever77
11-13-2008, 04:34 PM
In BA 2008 Prospect Handbook they said Jeff Marquez projected as a workhorse, #3 or 4 starter. That sounds like a much cheaper Javy. Wonder if KW has another deal in the works with Javy getting shipped out?

Lundind1
11-13-2008, 04:34 PM
Swisher lost playing time because he wasn't playing well. It's not like Ozzie sat him on the bench for personal reasons.

Yep. I started to see him struggle and whiff away at bat a ton towards the end of the season. Ozzie goes with the hot hand.

Lundind1
11-13-2008, 04:35 PM
In BA 2008 Prospect Handbook they said Jeff Marquez projected as a workhorse, #3 or 4 starter. That sounds like a much cheaper Javy. Wonder if KW has another deal in the works with Javy getting shipped out?

Please be Javy with a winning record and a great big game record....please, please, please!!!

GoGoCrede
11-13-2008, 04:36 PM
Put it away in a Sox collection. Pull them out every so often and remember this heart-attack of a thrilling season.

I'll do that. I seem to have bad luck with these shirts; I own a Crede one as well. I just hope my Jenks one doesn't suffer the same fate!

What a season. "Heart attack" is a good way to describe it.

doublem23
11-13-2008, 04:36 PM
The Yankees believe Swisher's poor average was a function of a strained relationship with Chisox manager Ozzie Guillen (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ozzie+Guillen), major-league sources said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/11/13/2008-11-13_yankees_acquire_nick_swisher_from_white_.html

These are the same people that praised the Loazia/Contreras deal because Esteban was an All-Star in '05 and '06 and Contreras was a bust.

turners56
11-13-2008, 04:36 PM
The Yankees believe Swisher's poor average was a function of a strained relationship with Chisox manager Ozzie Guillen (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ozzie+Guillen), major-league sources said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/11/13/2008-11-13_yankees_acquire_nick_swisher_from_white_.html

Pfft. If Chicago was a problem, expect Nick to hit .195 next year.

russ99
11-13-2008, 04:37 PM
This trade shows that the Sox are probably close to set with the roster for next year - maybe one or two more trades or a free agent signing, but no major overhaul involving multiple veterans. They have internal players to fill the openings they have (Fields/Getz/Nix/Richard/Poreda/Broadway). I'm ok with that, since they are already one of the top 4 teams in the AL (and by extension all of baseball for that matter) and doing too much more would likely make them less worse.

I hope to God not. Right now our lineup has Carlos, Alexei, A.J. (likely still 2 of) Dye, Konerko and Thome and 3 gaping holes; and our rotation is Buehrle, Danks, Floyd - along with Vazquez who will likely be dealt. I don't see a top 4 AL team here (yet)...

Hopefully this is just the beginning of a long and active offseason by Kenny.

doublem23
11-13-2008, 04:38 PM
I figured that..as I stated ealier, he didn't like being benched. He is on record as saying that. Once in Oz's doghouse, well ask Sean Tracy

Sean Tracey would have been in any manager's doghouse. For sucking.

Lundind1
11-13-2008, 04:39 PM
I hope to God not. Right now our lineup has Carlos, Alexei, A.J. (likely still 2 of) Dye, Konerko and Thome and 3 gaping holes.
Lets just wait and see how many holes there really are 1 month after the winter meetings. I see more big things for the future of this team. Still have the core, if not a stronger leadership group plus what could amount to be WS winning talent.

russ99
11-13-2008, 04:41 PM
Lets just wait and see how many holes there really are 1 month after the winter meetings. I see more big things for the future of this team. Still have the core, if not a stronger leadership group plus what could amount to be WS winning talent.

Oh, I completely agree. My comment was to the poster that basically said other than a few signings, Kenny was done.

Lundind1
11-13-2008, 04:43 PM
Oh, I completely agree. My comment was to the poster that basically said other than a few signings, Kenny was done.

If Kenny really were done, he would have lost his job after this season. It would have been 07 all over again. This is why, as White Sox fans, we are so lucky. Being a fan with KW has become entertainment the whole year. What is he going to say or do next, lol!!! :popcorn:

russ99
11-13-2008, 04:46 PM
If Kenny really were done, he would have lost his job after this season. It would have been 07 all over again. This is why, as White Sox fans, we are so lucky. Being a fan with KW has become entertainment the whole year. What is he going to say or do next, lol!!! :popcorn:

No kidding! Under the Radar!! :D:

raven1
11-13-2008, 04:47 PM
I hope to God not. Right now our lineup has Carlos, Alexei, A.J. (likely still 2 of) Dye, Konerko and Thome and 3 gaping holes; and our rotation is Buehrle, Danks, Floyd - along with Vazquez who will likely be dealt. I don't see a top 4 AL team here...

Hopefully this is just the beginning of a long and active offseason by Kenny.

If you don't like what they have now, keep in mind that what they would be able to get back in a trade is probably not going to be as good. Most of the guys that are left are worth more to the White Sox filling their current roles than they would be to another team. Swisher was the Sox most valuable trading chip & he was worth a utility infielder & a couple of mid-level pitching prospects. A trade package of any of the others likely won't land the "big impact" player everyone wants to see but no one has any realistic idea how to get.

gr8mexico
11-13-2008, 04:48 PM
Here is a little more info on Jeff Marquez
http://yankeefan.blogspot.com/2007/01/6.html
http://ohholycow.blogspot.com/2008/01/10-prospect-jeff-marquez.html

#1swisher
11-13-2008, 04:49 PM
WBBM 780
KW to the Swisher trade..."the fit wasn't good enough down the road"

Lukin13
11-13-2008, 04:49 PM
Swisher's patience was a virtue in Oakland, where he was a feared hitter and pitchers pitched around him. In the '08 Sox lineup, no one was nibbling at the corners against Nick Swisher and instead of getting nice juicy 2-0 and 3-1 counts, Swish found himself looking at 1-2, 0-2 all too often.

If Nick could have found a way to up his OBP/AVG only twenty points he was EXACTLY the kind of player this team needed and still needs, the only problem is that while he is versatile in the field, he can only play four positions: 1B, LF, RF, DH... and those four are kind of tied up at the moment.

Not that I like the move, but KUDOS TO KENNY for not being afraid to dump a player he invested a great deal in. Many, many, (ok almost all) GMs ride Swisher out for at least '09, hoping to save face.

Another thought: With the return the Sox got for Swisher it certaintly seems more likely that either KW couldn't even GIVE Paul Konerko to the Angels or there was NO TEAM that PK would waive his NTC for.

Sox4ever77
11-13-2008, 04:51 PM
Nunuez was the Nationals 25th best prospect, according to BA. They said he can't maintain his stuff and could move to the bullpen. The Sox will be his fourth organization, Dodgers, Yankees, and Nationals before.

Marquez was the Yankees 7th best prospect in 2008. In 2007 was was rated the Yankees 12th best.

Craig Grebeck
11-13-2008, 04:52 PM
Nunuez was the Nationals 25th best prospect, according to BA. They said he can't maintain his stuff and could move to the bullpen. The Sox will be his fourth organization, Dodgers, Yankees, and Nationals before.

Marquez was the Yankees the best prospect in 2008. In 2007 was was rated the Yankees 12th best.
I hope to hell that's a typo.

LoveYourSuit
11-13-2008, 04:54 PM
Swisher IMO could have been the key piece to a bigger deal, but I guess that's how much people around baseball think of him. He is not that good.

white sox bill
11-13-2008, 04:56 PM
Sean Tracey would have been in any manager's doghouse. For sucking.
I heard he couldn't hit the broad side of a Ranger!

VeeckAsInWreck
11-13-2008, 04:57 PM
Seems like most of the posters at the Yankees board are pleased with the deal and think they got a steal. However there are also posters who are not pleased that they got the worst hitter in the AL with at least 500 plate appearances.

Personally, I will miss hearing about Nick's antics in the clubhouse but I wish him the best of luck.

sullythered
11-13-2008, 04:57 PM
I guess I'm not surprised by this move. Hell, I'm not surprised by anything Kenny does anymore. I would have liked to give Swish another shot next year, though.

This Marquez dude seems to have the right tools to be successful. Let's hope Coop can work his magic again.

On the other side, I would rather hold on to Uribe than have Wilson Benemit. (sp?)

Lundind1
11-13-2008, 04:59 PM
WBBM 780
KW to the Swisher trade..."the fit wasn't good enough down the road"

Going away from the Homerun or nothing attitude.

Craig Grebeck
11-13-2008, 04:59 PM
Going away from the Homerun or nothing attitude.
Ugh.