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rdivaldi
10-22-2008, 03:16 AM
The Saguros got caught up in a slugfest today, so some of the stats are inflated:

Cole Armstrong: .367/.406/.940, 1 HR, 6 RBI
Stefan Gartrell: .269/.406/.752, 0 HR, 3 RBI
Gordon Beckham: .250/.368/.743, 0 HR, 0 RBI

Lucas Harrell: 1- 1, 6.2 IP, 7 H, 4 BB, 5 K, 9.45 ERA, 1.65 WHIP
Derek Rodriguez: 1- 0, 6 IP, 10 H, 4 BB, 5 K, 7.50 ERA, 2.33 WHIP
Aaron Poreda: 0- 0, 5 IP, 5 H, 2 BB, 8 K, 0.00 ERA, 1.40 WHIP
Carlos Tores: 1- 1, 4.2 IP, 9 H, 3 BB, 3 K, 13.50 ERA, 2.57 WHIP

JermaineDye05
10-22-2008, 03:42 AM
Nice to see that Poreda hasn't given up a run yet. Nice 4:1 strike out to walk ratio.

KyWhiSoxFan
10-22-2008, 09:43 AM
Poreda and Beckham were named to play in the Rising Stars game on Friday night in the Arizona Fall League.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081021&content_id=3634612&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

khan
10-22-2008, 12:49 PM
I'd like to see more than a .250 BA from Beckham...

btrain929
10-22-2008, 01:15 PM
I'd like to see more than a .250 BA from Beckham...

Me too. But he's only been playing every other day, and it's still not a huge sample size.

KyWhiSoxFan
10-22-2008, 07:24 PM
I'd like to see more than a .250 BA from Beckham...

He's doing fine. He's playing against AAA and AA players, largely. Each major league team only gets to send one player lower than AA to the Arizona Fall League (I think that's correct). He is facing all new pitchers each day who were highly thought of by their parent clubs.

khan
10-22-2008, 08:42 PM
He's doing fine. He's playing against AAA and AA players, largely. Each major league team only gets to send one player lower than AA to the Arizona Fall League (I think that's correct). He is facing all new pitchers each day who were highly thought of by their parent clubs.

I certainly hope so. I can't remember the last time I was looking forward to the possibility of a White Sox Prospect developing into a big leaguer. Here's hoping he can learn to hit for average better than Josh Fields or Joe Borchard did.

Craig Grebeck
10-22-2008, 09:09 PM
I certainly hope so. I can't remember the last time I was looking forward to the possibility of a White Sox Prospect developing into a big leaguer. Here's hoping he can learn to hit for average better than Josh Fields or Joe Borchard did.
It is 20 AB. That's kind of ridiculous to make any judgment.

Sockinchisox
10-22-2008, 10:26 PM
Poreda and Beckham were both named to the AFL Futures Game.

KyWhiSoxFan
10-23-2008, 02:02 AM
Poreda and Beckham were both named to the AFL Futures Game.

It's called the Rising Stars Showcase. See posts above for the link.

BadBobbyJenks
10-23-2008, 03:32 AM
It is 20 AB. That's kind of ridiculous to make any judgment.

If it were 200 ab in the AFL league would it not still be kind of ridiculous to make judgment on the kid?

Craig Grebeck
10-23-2008, 09:05 AM
If it were 200 ab in the AFL league would it not still be kind of ridiculous to make judgment on the kid?
I'd say still ridiculous. The AFL is a test for Gordon. I'm more encouraged by the fact that 3 of his 5 hits have been doubles.

voodoochile
10-23-2008, 10:25 AM
It is 20 AB. That's kind of ridiculous to make any judgment.

It's 20 AB against the best pitchers Beckham has ever faced to date in his life. It's WAY early to be evaluating his performance on stats.

What's the deal with Cole Armstrong. He's making a huge case to be the backup next year even if he does bat left-handed. But there I go making a judgment based on 20 or so AB...:tongue:

Britt Burns
10-23-2008, 03:16 PM
I wish they didn't even keep stats in the AFL. Just like spring training, the numbers can be misleading at best.

For instance: A pitcher may have a terrible ERA becuase he is developing a secondary pitch. Likewise, a batter may be working on pulling the ball or opposite field hitting or bunting or whatever on a given day. The real learning goes on between games--that is a big reason why Beckham is playing every other day, as do a lot of other players. Drill on one skill one day, try to apply it in a game setting the next.

The AFL is chartered to be a group of small, elite players and a number of coaches who are only working on developing top talent. Numbers in the AFL matter even less than spring training stats.

khan
10-23-2008, 04:08 PM
It is 20 AB. That's kind of ridiculous to make any judgment.

I'm not making "any judgement." I'm merely stating that I hope he learns to hit for average.

Craig Grebeck
10-23-2008, 04:18 PM
I'm not making "any judgement." I'm merely stating that I hope he learns to hit for average.
He knows how to hit for average. He hit for a pretty good one in the minors this season, if you were paying attention.

sox1970
10-23-2008, 06:26 PM
2-4 today. Now at .292. Hope everyone is happy he's hitting for average now.

:rolleyes:

Frater Perdurabo
10-24-2008, 07:05 AM
What's the deal with Cole Armstrong. He's making a huge case to be the backup next year even if he does bat left-handed. But there I go making a judgment based on 20 or so AB...:tongue:

I have no idea if he would be ready to be AJ's backup in 2009. All I do know is that although it would be nice to have AJ's backup bat right-handed, having two left-handed hitting catchers would open up other possibilities. Since there would be no reason to have them play based on the opposing pitcher, the Sox instead could have them play based on who the Sox pitcher is. For example, if Armstrong has a "strong arm" (get it? :tongue:), he might be a good match for the Sox starting pitcher with the greatest tendency to give up stolen bases.

khan
10-24-2008, 12:55 PM
He knows how to hit for average. He hit for a pretty good one in the minors this season, if you were paying attention.

Weren't you the jacknuts who said it was ridiculous to "make any judgement" on the kid, even after 200 AB? So you you crappin'?

Ultimately, we don't know if he can hit for average or not, as the sample size has been too small. Which, again, is why I stated that I hope he learns to hit for average.

khan
10-24-2008, 12:57 PM
2-4 today. Now at .292. Hope everyone is happy he's hitting for average now.

:rolleyes:

As Grebeck said, its a little ridiculous to "make any judgement" on the kid after 20, or 24, or 200 AB.

Here's hoping he can continue on this early trend. [Was that "judgemental," Grebeck?]

Craig Grebeck
10-24-2008, 01:55 PM
Weren't you the jacknuts who said it was ridiculous to "make any judgement" on the kid, even after 200AB? So you you crappin'?

Ultimately, we don't know if he can hit for average or not, as the sample size has been too small. Which, again, is why I stated that I hope he learns to hit for average.
Gotcha. Understood. My apologies.

jabrch
10-25-2008, 02:40 PM
2-4 today. Now at .292. Hope everyone is happy he's hitting for average now.

:rolleyes:

exactly - using AFL stats to draw conclusions is...well...unwise.

sox1970
10-26-2008, 10:13 AM
Gartrell separated his shoulder. Jordan Danks was added to the roster.

Sockinchisox
10-29-2008, 06:41 PM
Danks had a monster game today going 4-4 with a HR, 3 RBIs, 2 R and a SB.

Beckham went 1-3 with a BB, an RBI, and 2 R.

Armstrong went 1-5 with a HR.

JermaineDye05
10-29-2008, 07:40 PM
Danks had a monster game today going 4-4 with a HR, 3 RBIs, 2 R and a SB.

Beckham went 1-3 with a BB, an RBI, and 2 R.

Armstrong went 1-5 with a HR.

Behind Beckham, I'm mostly excited about Danks. Just cause it seems like he has a lot of upside, almost like a 5 tool player. I remember a couple years ago he was highly tauted. I know he's a good defender and is supposed to be good defensively and decent speed. Can he throw well? Hit for average? I would love for the sox to have a 5 tool player which they drafted.

Craig Grebeck
10-29-2008, 07:44 PM
Behind Beckham, I'm mostly excited about Danks. Just cause it seems like he has a lot of upside, almost like a 5 tool player. I remember a couple years ago he was highly tauted. I know he's a good defender and is supposed to be good defensively and decent speed. Can he throw well? Hit for average? I would love for the sox to have a 5 tool player which they drafted.
From what I've heard, he's more four tool. He's the kind of guy that stat-guys as well as scouts are high on. The only reservation scouts have is that he won't develop power, hence the "four-tool" distinction.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/breaking-down-the-draft-more-requests-part-3/

Scroll down for Danks. John Sickels is a fan of him as well, as he believes he'll make the show, regardless of a power surge. Sickels is a pretty damn good judge of talent.

Sockinchisox
10-29-2008, 08:21 PM
Behind Beckham, I'm mostly excited about Danks. Just cause it seems like he has a lot of upside, almost like a 5 tool player. I remember a couple years ago he was highly tauted. I know he's a good defender and is supposed to be good defensively and decent speed. Can he throw well? Hit for average? I would love for the sox to have a 5 tool player which they drafted.

Well, he did throw out a guy going to 3rd today.

btrain929
10-29-2008, 08:30 PM
From what I've heard, he's more four tool. He's the kind of guy that stat-guys as well as scouts are high on. The only reservation scouts have is that he won't develop power, hence the "four-tool" distinction.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/breaking-down-the-draft-more-requests-part-3/

Scroll down for Danks. John Sickels is a fan of him as well, as he believes he'll make the show, regardless of a power surge. Sickels is a pretty damn good judge of talent.

So who would be a comparable, Jacoby Ellsbury-like?

Craig Grebeck
10-29-2008, 09:14 PM
So who would be a comparable, Jacoby Ellsbury-like?
Ellsbury is much smaller. He's not short, but Danks, at 6'5", dwarfs him. Statistically, they're an interesting comparison. In college Danks struck out quite a bit more, but also walked more. Ellsbury had an OBP somewhat inflated by HBP.

All in all, Danks has so much more projectable power than Ellsbury.

California Sox
10-29-2008, 09:58 PM
My comp for Danks is reaching way back -- I say he's like Von Hayes.

I actually think some power will come which will make him a 5-tool player. Though I worry that he's going to have to make a lot of adjustments or he is going to strike out a lot.

champagne030
10-29-2008, 11:22 PM
From what I've heard, he's more four tool. He's the kind of guy that stat-guys as well as scouts are high on. The only reservation scouts have is that he won't develop power, hence the "four-tool" distinction.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/breaking-down-the-draft-more-requests-part-3/

Scroll down for Danks. John Sickels is a fan of him as well, as he believes he'll make the show, regardless of a power surge. Sickels is a pretty damn good judge of talent.

What does Callis think? I believe Sickels is high on too many people that don't deserve the hype. I think he'll make the show too, but is it going to be as a 4th-5th OF or a decent starter?

sox1970
11-01-2008, 06:13 PM
Danks 9-16 (.563).

sox1970
11-04-2008, 05:59 PM
Poreda had a rough one today.

0.2 inning, 3 hits, 5 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, wild pitch

EMachine10
11-04-2008, 06:13 PM
Poreda had a rough one today.

0.2 inning, 3 hits, 5 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, wild pitch
Well, perfection is tough.

btrain929
11-04-2008, 08:25 PM
Poreda had a rough one today.

0.2 inning, 3 hits, 5 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, wild pitch

So now I guess a Javy Vazquez extension is in the works...

champagne030
11-05-2008, 12:11 AM
Poreda had a rough one today.

0.2 inning, 3 hits, 5 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, wild pitch

That will happen when you have only one pitch and it's not on that day.

SoxNation05
11-05-2008, 08:51 PM
Danks 9-16 (.563).
:o: Wow, very impressive.

Sockinchisox
11-06-2008, 04:42 PM
Beckham is having an awesome game today.

3-3 with 3 runs scored, 4 RBI, and a 2 run HR.

Edit: Make that 4-4 with 4 runs scored, 6 RBI (2 RBI triple, 2 run HR, 2 seperate RBI singles)

Edit x2: Just hit another HR, unreal. 5-5, 7 RBIs, 2 HR, 5 runs scored.

Armstrong has hit his 6th HR and driven in 2.

Danks is 0-2 with a SB.

sox1970
11-06-2008, 05:48 PM
Wow. What a game for Beckham.

btrain929
11-06-2008, 05:52 PM
Beckham is having an awesome game today.

3-3 with 3 runs scored, 4 RBI, and a 2 run HR.

Edit: Make that 4-4 with 4 runs scored, 6 RBI (2 RBI triple, 2 run HR, 2 seperate RBI singles)

Edit x2: Just hit another HR, unreal. 5-5, 7 RBIs, 2 HR, 5 runs scored.

Armstrong has hit his 6th HR and driven in 2.

Danks is 0-2 with a SB.

:o:

Let's see what John Sicklecell has to say about THAT!

Sockinchisox
11-06-2008, 06:04 PM
:o:

Let's see what John Sicklecell has to say about THAT!

To be fair Sickels had only seen him in one game and said he hadn't seen enough of him to make a judgment, he said other scouts told him about their concerns with Beckham.

Craig Grebeck
11-06-2008, 07:03 PM
:o:

Let's see what John Sicklecell has to say about THAT!
Are you ****ing kidding me? Nothing better than making light of a disease in order to slam someone for passing along information.

btrain929
11-06-2008, 08:13 PM
To be fair Sickels had only seen him in one game and said he hadn't seen enough of him to make a judgment, he said other scouts told him about their concerns with Beckham.

Noted.

Are you ****ing kidding me? Nothing better than making light of a disease in order to slam someone for passing along information.

:whiner:

They don't make 'em tough in Rockford anymore do they? It was a joke, get the **** over it.

Daver
11-06-2008, 08:43 PM
They don't make 'em tough in Rockford anymore do they? It was a joke, get the **** over it.

Every time someone calls you on something it is always a joke.


I think I know what the real joke is.

btrain929
11-06-2008, 08:51 PM
Every time someone calls you on something it is always a joke.

Such as?

JermaineDye05
11-06-2008, 09:04 PM
5-5, 7 RBIs, 2 HR, 5 runs scored.


I don't know what everyone's getting excited about, it's not like he hit for the cycle.:dunno:

sox1970
11-06-2008, 09:27 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081106&content_id=3668464&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

veeter
11-07-2008, 10:40 AM
Wow. What a game for Beckham.He seems like the real deal. I think he'll be a solid major leaguer like Ventura. Great college players seem to pan out.

sox1970
11-07-2008, 10:57 AM
He seems like the real deal. I think he'll be a solid major leaguer like Ventura. Great college players seem to pan out.

I think Beckham will hit better than Ventura. He was a career .267 hitter. I think Beckham will be a .300 hitter, more like a Michael Young.

SoxNation05
11-07-2008, 11:06 AM
I think Beckham will hit better than Ventura. He was a career .267 hitter. I think Beckham will be a .300 hitter, more like a Michael Young.
Well I know besides yesterday his power hasn't really translated yet. I know it's definetly a small sample size but this kid led all of Division 1 baseball in home runs! I think he will have more power than Michael Young.

CashMan
11-07-2008, 12:34 PM
Well I know besides yesterday his power hasn't really translated yet. I know it's definetly a small sample size but this kid led all of Division 1 baseball in home runs! I think he will have more power than Michael Young.


Are you comparing him to a Michael Young hitter with more power? If so, I would be excited to have him!

Craig Grebeck
11-08-2008, 10:43 AM
Noted.



:whiner:

They don't make 'em tough in Rockford anymore do they? It was a joke, get the **** over it.
Sorry if I don't find humor in making an offensive and miserable joke like that. Do you listen in on junior high locker rooms for your shtick?

Craig Grebeck
11-08-2008, 10:44 AM
Are you comparing him to a Michael Young hitter with more power? If so, I would be excited to have him!
I don't really think he's anything like Michael Young. Either way, the Beckham comparisons have been terrible across the board. I've seen Aaron Hill, Michael Young, and many other white middle infielders compared to Gordon.

sox1970
11-08-2008, 10:58 AM
I don't really think he's anything like Michael Young. Either way, the Beckham comparisons have been terrible across the board. I've seen Aaron Hill, Michael Young, and many other white middle infielders compared to Gordon.

Ozzie Guillen compared him to Michael Young. His stance is similar. His build is similar. They're both line drive hitters with gap power.

They're nothing alike.

veeter
11-08-2008, 11:05 AM
I don't really think he's anything like Michael Young. Either way, the Beckham comparisons have been terrible across the board. I've seen Aaron Hill, Michael Young, and many other white middle infielders compared to Gordon.Then who is he comparable to?

Craig Grebeck
11-08-2008, 11:20 AM
Ozzie Guillen compared him to Michael Young. His stance is similar. His build is similar. They're both line drive hitters with gap power.

They're nothing alike.
Depends on your definition of Michael Young. The Michael Young of 2004-2006? No, too high of a batting average. Of the last few years? Not enough power.

I guess I'd compare Beckham to Khalil Greene (road version), but with a little more patience and a little less pop. I think he'd probably be an .800 OPS middle infielder if he progresses well.

btrain929
11-08-2008, 12:24 PM
Sorry if I don't find humor in making an offensive and miserable joke like that.

Apology accepted.

Sockinchisox
11-10-2008, 06:36 PM
Danks went 3-5 with a 2B, R, and an RBI, he also stole a base.

Armstrong also went 3-5 with 2 2Bs, and 3 runs scored.

JermaineDye05
11-10-2008, 07:48 PM
Danks went 3-5 with a 2B, R, and an RBI, he also stole a base.

Armstrong also went 3-5 with 2 2Bs, and 3 runs scored.

They've only been signed with us for about 3 months and I'm already excited about Danks and Beckham. The two just seem to have tremendous upside. Maybe we can actually have a few more home grown players with the team in the next couple of years.

KyWhiSoxFan
11-11-2008, 04:46 PM
Danks went 3-5 with a 2B, R, and an RBI, he also stole a base.

Armstrong also went 3-5 with 2 2Bs, and 3 runs scored.

It seems like Armstrong is making a very strong case for being the backup to AJ next year. He's having a good fall league season.

JohnTucker0814
11-11-2008, 04:53 PM
It seems like Armstrong is making a very strong case for being the backup to AJ next year. He's having a good fall league season.

The downside to Armstrong is he's a LH batter... doesn't help to spell A.J. from the tough lefties. I liked him in spring training last year too... maybe he will be the starter in 2010 or 2011...

oeo
11-11-2008, 07:48 PM
The downside to Armstrong is he's a LH batter... doesn't help to spell A.J. from the tough lefties. I liked him in spring training last year too... maybe he will be the starter in 2010 or 2011...

If he can hit lefties (which he's shown to do remarkably well in the AFL), then it shouldn't matter. I don't know how he's fared against them in his career, but he's crushing them right now. Very limited size, though.

btrain929
11-11-2008, 07:59 PM
If he can hit lefties (which he's shown to do remarkably well in the AFL), then it shouldn't matter. I don't know how he's fared against them in his career, but he's crushing them right now. Very limited size, though.

AJ has always done fairly well against lefties (he hit for better avg and slg'd better against lefties in '08 than righties). If there's no appealing options thru FA, make Cole the backup, and just use him to spell AJ whenever he needs it (day game after night game, before a day off to give AJ 2 days off, in the middle of long road trips, etc). Plus he can give us a LH pinch hitter, something we didn't have in '08 until the emergence of Wise and the acquisition of Griffey/demotion of Swisher.

Frater Perdurabo
11-11-2008, 09:13 PM
If Armstrong can play at an acceptable MLB level, there's no reason to worry that he too is a lefty. In fact, it would allow Ozzie to go with a set lineup with the catcher always batting in the same spot in the order. In addition, without having to worry about lefty/righty matchups, Ozzie could have the catchers start based on who is pitching for the Sox, so that each starter gets comfortable working with one catcher.

champagne030
11-11-2008, 10:10 PM
If Armstrong can play at an acceptable MLB level, there's no reason to worry that he too is a lefty. In fact, it would allow Ozzie to go with a set lineup with the catcher always batting in the same spot in the order. In addition, without having to worry about lefty/righty matchups, Ozzie could have the catchers start based on who is pitching for the Sox, so that each starter gets comfortable working with one catcher.

And monkeys are flying out of my ass right now.........

oeo
11-11-2008, 10:12 PM
If Armstrong can play at an acceptable MLB level, there's no reason to worry that he too is a lefty. In fact, it would allow Ozzie to go with a set lineup with the catcher always batting in the same spot in the order.

First and foremost, we need to assemble a 1-2 in the lineup.

Sockinchisox
11-11-2008, 11:07 PM
Beckham having a nice game so far.

2-3, 2B, 2 RBI, 2 R.

sox1970
11-12-2008, 12:06 AM
Beckham 3-4, up to .396.

Poreda didn't do so well.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/

Frater Perdurabo
11-12-2008, 06:45 AM
And monkeys are flying out of my ass right now.........

Disturbing visual, but I agree with your overall point.

First and foremost, we need to assemble a 1-2 in the lineup.

Definitely.

DirtySox
11-12-2008, 05:17 PM
Today's Game:

Danks: 0-4, 3 Ks

Beckham: 2-4, 2B

D. Rodriguez: 1.0 IP, 1 BB, 2 SOs

btrain929
11-12-2008, 06:07 PM
Today's Game:

Danks: 0-4, 3 Ks

Beckham: 2-4, 2B

D. Rodriguez: 1.0 IP, 1 BB, 2 SOs

Does anyone know anything on Derek Rodriguez (seem him in person, etc)? He's 25, was pretty solid in '07 as a starter, as well as in '08 as a reliever, and outside of 1 appearance this fall, has been a lockdown reliever in the AFL. Is he Oneli Perez/Fernando Hernandez Pt 2, or does he have a chance to being an effective reliever in the bigs?

JermaineDye05
11-12-2008, 06:45 PM
Today's Game:

Danks: 0-4, 3 Ks

Beckham: 2-4, 2B

D. Rodriguez: 1.0 IP, 1 BB, 2 SOs

Looks like we have another KW JR/Oney Guillen....

35th and Shields
11-12-2008, 08:01 PM
Does anyone know anything on Derek Rodriguez (seem him in person, etc)? He's 25, was pretty solid in '07 as a starter, as well as in '08 as a reliever, and outside of 1 appearance this fall, has been a lockdown reliever in the AFL. Is he Oneli Perez/Fernando Hernandez Pt 2, or does he have a chance to being an effective reliever in the bigs?

I haven't heard much of him either which is surprising given how well he played last year and so far in the AFL.

Sockinchisox
11-13-2008, 10:41 PM
Beckham has homered tonight for the only run the Sags have.

He's 1-3 with a HR overall.

sox1970
11-14-2008, 12:04 AM
Beckham 2-5. Now at .403.

oeo
11-14-2008, 12:23 AM
Beckham 2-5. Now at .403.

Impressive. I don't know if I'm get overly pumped about him.

voodoochile
11-14-2008, 12:25 AM
Impressive. I don't know if I'm get overly pumped about him.

I agree. This is against high end AAA competition basically, right? Given his history of already having played against very good competition in college (equivalent to the stuff Alexei faced in Cuba?) is it to early to see what he can do next spring against major league caliber pitching?

rustysurf83
11-14-2008, 01:01 AM
I agree. This is against high end AAA competition basically, right? Given his history of already having played against very good competition in college (equivalent to the stuff Alexei faced in Cuba?) is it to early to see what he can do next spring against major league caliber pitching?

I too find myself (possibly overly) excited about this kid. Has he seen any time at 3rd base? or would it be possible for him to move there of Alexei move to third (his natural position in Cuba if I'm right?)? It probably way too early to speculate about ANY of this but if we have a Beckham, Alexei, Viciedo INF in the spring I will be excited for the 09 season....and about 5 seasons to come.

btrain929
11-14-2008, 01:22 AM
I too find myself (possibly overly) excited about this kid. Has he seen any time at 3rd base? or would it be possible for him to move there of Alexei move to third (his natural position in Cuba if I'm right?)? It probably way too early to speculate about ANY of this but if we have a Beckham, Alexei, Viciedo INF in the spring I will be excited for the 09 season....and about 5 seasons to come.

Alexei's natural position in Cuba, I'm pretty sure, was SS.

I'm excited for the kid too, but I'd rather him get some more seasoning and instruction in the minors. Let guys who have been here longer and are more MLB ready (Getz, Fields) get their shot first. If they fall on their face and Beckham continues to tear it up in A/AA, then maybe he'll get his shot.

I personally don't want to see Beckham in '09, because that means Getz and/or Fields are doing their job and he's not needed.

rustysurf83
11-14-2008, 01:28 AM
I completely agree, I would like Beckham to see additional time in the minors.....but the prospect of Fields and Getz in the infield doesn't exactly scream World Series Champs to me. I hope I am proved wrong, but from what I've seen so far Fields is nothing more than a band-aid until we can develop a real third baseman.
On a side note, I believe you are right about Alexei and his natural position. I struggle to remember but he played third a game this year? If I recall correctly nothing spectacular but nothing heinous either.

btrain929
11-14-2008, 02:04 AM
On a side note, I believe you are right about Alexei and his natural position. I struggle to remember but he played third a game this year? If I recall correctly nothing spectacular but nothing heinous either.

I think it was only for 1 inning.

sox1970
11-14-2008, 08:39 AM
I too find myself (possibly overly) excited about this kid. Has he seen any time at 3rd base? or would it be possible for him to move there of Alexei move to third (his natural position in Cuba if I'm right?)? It probably way too early to speculate about ANY of this but if we have a Beckham, Alexei, Viciedo INF in the spring I will be excited for the 09 season....and about 5 seasons to come.

Beckham has only played SS and 2B in the fall league. I don't think the Sox have any plans to move him to 3rd.

If they sign Viciedo, it could be him, Ramirez, and Beckham in the infield for a long time.

Sockinchisox
11-16-2008, 12:28 AM
Peter Gammons, citing scouts and "Chicago's minor league people" think Beckham will end up in the majors in June as the starting 2nd baseman.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3705607&name=gammons_peter

btrain929
11-16-2008, 01:01 AM
Peter Gammons, citing scouts and "Chicago's minor league people" think Beckham will end up in the majors in June as the starting 2nd baseman.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3705607&name=gammons_peter

God I hope not.

California Sox
11-16-2008, 11:58 AM
God I hope not.

Why? If scouts from outside the organization as well as our own minor league people think he's ready, what's the harm? He was a three-year starter at Georgia who has had quite a bit of success with wood bats. He's certainly got a better chance of being an impact player than either Getz or Nix do.

Daver
11-16-2008, 12:05 PM
I agree. This is against high end AAA competition basically, right?

No it isn't. Teams use the AFL for a variety of reasons, and send players of all kinds, some teams send AAA players they want to showcase for trade reasons, some send recent high draft picks for an extended workout, it's a true mix that would not represent top competition.

btrain929
11-16-2008, 02:11 PM
Why? If scouts from outside the organization as well as our own minor league people think he's ready, what's the harm? He was a three-year starter at Georgia who has had quite a bit of success with wood bats. He's certainly got a better chance of being an impact player than either Getz or Nix do.

1) Because if Beckham is up with the team, that means both Getz and Nix have failed. Getz has faced better competition than Beckham and has done fairly well. He deserves a shot over a guy with 58 Low-A minor league at-bats.
2) Most of us agree that we have rushed prospects through the system too fast. If Beckham comes up and fails, that's yet another example.

In my opinion, both Getz/Nix would have to be absolutely brutal (bat .150 over 250 AB's or something) and Beckham would have to be tearing up High-A or AA to even consider this an idea. I think this would be a high-risk, low-reward situation since Beckham hasn't faced anything close to MLB pitching yet.

Craig Grebeck
11-16-2008, 02:16 PM
1) Because if Beckham is up with the team, that means both Getz and Nix have failed. Getz has faced better competition than Beckham and has done fairly well. He deserves a shot over a guy with 58 Low-A minor league at-bats.
2) Most of us agree that we have rushed prospects through the system too fast. If Beckham comes up and fails, that's yet another example.

In my opinion, both Getz/Nix would have to be absolutely brutal (bat .150 over 250 AB's or something) and Beckham would have to be tearing up High-A or AA to even consider this an idea. I think this would be a high-risk, low-reward situation since Beckham hasn't faced anything close to MLB pitching yet.
Beckham will begin in AA.

btrain929
11-16-2008, 02:30 PM
Beckham will begin in AA.

Is that your guess, or did they come out and say that officially?

Craig Grebeck
11-16-2008, 02:37 PM
Is that your guess, or did they come out and say that officially?
My guess, but I think it's likely.

oeo
11-16-2008, 02:37 PM
1) Because if Beckham is up with the team, that means both Getz and Nix have failed. Getz has faced better competition than Beckham and has done fairly well. He deserves a shot over a guy with 58 Low-A minor league at-bats.

Or it means that Beckham is a stud?

2) Most of us agree that we have rushed prospects through the system too fast. If Beckham comes up and fails, that's yet another example.Yeah, since Beckham would be the first Top 10 pick to fly through a system and make immediate impact. This is quite a bit different when you've got a guy with Beckham's skill set.

btrain929
11-16-2008, 03:43 PM
Yeah, since Beckham would be the first Top 10 pick to fly through a system and make immediate impact. This is quite a bit different when you've got a guy with Beckham's skill set.

"Fly thru the system" would be a drastic understatement in this case. Playing in the majors just months after being drafted? That's pretty rare outside of some bullpen guys.

I'm just against this idea in general. If it happens, I hope he goes Ryan Braun on opposing teams (with better defense). But, if he puts up a line of .250/.325 with some HR's, would that really be considered "a success?"

Why don't we just bring up Jordan Danks to play CF since he's put up about the same stats as Beckham against the same competition? :shrug:

...
11-16-2008, 04:57 PM
"Fly thru the system" would be a drastic understatement in this case. Playing in the majors just months after being drafted? That's pretty rare outside of some bullpen guys.

I'm just against this idea in general. If it happens, I hope he goes Ryan Braun on opposing teams (with better defense). But, if he puts up a line of .250/.325 with some HR's, would that really be considered "a success?"

Why don't we just bring up Jordan Danks to play CF since he's put up about the same stats as Beckham against the same competition? :shrug:
Wow, that's logic with some fatal flaws...

oeo
11-16-2008, 05:09 PM
"Fly thru the system" would be a drastic understatement in this case. Playing in the majors just months after being drafted? That's pretty rare outside of some bullpen guys.

Ryan Zimmerman had 67 minor league AB's before being called up. Troy Tulowitzki had only 126. Rare? Sure. Top 10 picks are rare talents.

I'm just against this idea in general. If it happens, I hope he goes Ryan Braun on opposing teams (with better defense). But, if he puts up a line of .250/.325 with some HR's, would that really be considered "a success?"Learning on the job? Why not?

Why don't we just bring up Jordan Danks to play CF since he's put up about the same stats as Beckham against the same competition? :shrug:Uh...no he hasn't.

.318/.415/.432 vs. .394/.468/.652. Yep, definitely the same. They're the same talents coming into professional ball, too.

EMachine10
11-16-2008, 05:23 PM
If he earns it, then why not? If he's hitting .360 or something with nice peripherals in AA, then what is it proving to let him smack around AA? If Nix or Getz are playing well then we can allow him to take his time, but if our guys are struggling and he's doing well, then give him a shot. It's been done successfully before.

btrain929
11-16-2008, 05:37 PM
Ryan Zimmerman had 67 minor league AB's before being called up. Troy Tulowitzki had only 126. Rare? Sure. Top 10 picks are rare talents.

Learning on the job? Why not?

Uh...no he hasn't.

.318/.415/.432 vs. .394/.468/.652. Yep, definitely the same. They're the same talents coming into professional ball, too.

Your first 2 points only happened because the Nationals and Rockies were terrible when those players came up. So there wasn't division race pressure on them. We're expected to be one of the best teams in the Central and in the AL. How many young'ns you want running around? There's a good chance we're already gonna have Richard, Fields, Russell, Getz, Nix, and maybe BA/Owens out there in full-time roles.

As far as Danks vs Beckham, I was being sarcastic that Danks should be brought up, too. However, you just looked at the AFL stats. Mix in the stats from their time in A ball, and those numbers get a lot closer as Danks outperformed Beckham by a good margin at Kanny.

Bottom line, just because old man Gammons and some scouts say something, I'm not gonna jump and act like it's written in stone. Best case scenario, Getz, Nix, or both actually do well in their roles, and we won't even have to think about Beckham until 2010.

EMachine10
11-16-2008, 05:42 PM
Your first 2 points only happened because the Nationals and Rockies were terrible when those players came up. So there wasn't division race pressure on them. We're expected to be one of the best teams in the Central and in the AL. How many young'ns you want running around? There's a good chance we're already gonna have Richard, Fields, Russell, Getz, Nix, and maybe BA/Owens out there in full-time roles.

As far as Danks vs Beckham, I was being sarcastic that Danks should be brought up, too. However, you just looked at the AFL stats. Mix in the stats from their time in A ball, and those numbers get a lot closer as Danks outperformed Beckham by a good margin at Kanny.

Bottom line, just because old man Gammons and some scouts say something, I'm not gonna jump and act like it's written in stone. Best case scenario, Getz, Nix, or both actually do well in their roles, and we won't even have to think about Beckham until 2010.
I hope so, but I think it's a little early for anyone to make that prediction.

That's absolutely right, but it's somewhat comforting to know that if Nix/Getz don't cut it, he may be ready to step in.

btrain929
11-16-2008, 05:44 PM
If he earns it, then why not? If he's hitting .360 or something with nice peripherals in AA, then what is it proving to let him smack around AA? If Nix or Getz are playing well then we can allow him to take his time, but if our guys are struggling and he's doing well, then give him a shot. It's been done successfully before.

That's all I'm saying, I agree. But people are acting like this should be our plan going into the season because of an AFL hot streak.

Daver
11-16-2008, 05:52 PM
The White sox have a long rich history of rushing players to the MLB roster and watching them fail under the pressure, why stop now?

KRS1
11-16-2008, 05:57 PM
The White sox have a long rich history of rushing players to the MLB roster and watching them fail under the pressure, why stop now?

Truth is that.

Then there's always the Ryan Zimmerman's of the world who tear up the minors and HAVE to be brought up sooner rather than later. Not predicting anything, just saying.

Craig Grebeck
11-16-2008, 06:03 PM
People can stop using the word "Nix" when speaking about roles on this team. He'll be lucky to be the 25th man. He's really mediocre, at best.

oeo
11-16-2008, 06:12 PM
Your first 2 points only happened because the Nationals and Rockies were terrible when those players came up. So there wasn't division race pressure on them. We're expected to be one of the best teams in the Central and in the AL. How many young'ns you want running around? There's a good chance we're already gonna have Richard, Fields, Russell, Getz, Nix, and maybe BA/Owens out there in full-time roles.

All that "youngins" crap is overrated. The Rays reached the World Series this year with a bunch of "youngins." They seemed to handle our veteran team very well.

Again, Zimmerman and Tulowitzki are rare. I really don't think having the pressure of a division race would have changed how they played.

Believe it or not, some guys can handle all that pressure at such a young age. Tulowitzki seemed to do fine in the postseason. Evan Longoria, as a 22-year-old, seemed to be okay.

As far as Danks vs Beckham, I was being sarcastic that Danks should be brought up, too. However, you just looked at the AFL stats. Mix in the stats from their time in A ball, and those numbers get a lot closer as Danks outperformed Beckham by a good margin at Kanny.Danks' numbers have come down closer to Earth while facing better competition, while Beckham's have actually gotten better. :dunno:

Bottom line, just because old man Gammons and some scouts say something, I'm not gonna jump and act like it's written in stone. Best case scenario, Getz, Nix, or both actually do well in their roles, and we won't even have to think about Beckham until 2010.That's the bottom line? :?: No one said anything was written in stone.

The bottom line is, if the guy can play, let him play.

btrain929
11-16-2008, 08:03 PM
All that "youngins" crap is overrated. The Rays reached the World Series this year with a bunch of "youngins." They seemed to handle our veteran team very well.

The bottom line is, if the guy can play, let him play.

1) Hahahaha, because the youngn's I listed on our team are remotely close to the talent level of the youngn's on TB :rolleyes:
2) I agree. I just don't think it's a forgone conclusion that he can "play" just yet on the MLB level because he's done well in 66 AB's mostly off of pitchers working on problems/weaknesses of their own.

oeo
11-16-2008, 08:29 PM
1) Hahahaha, because the youngn's I listed on our team are remotely close to the talent level of the youngn's on TB :rolleyes:

We also wouldn't be asking our young guys to step into the roles that TB's did. :rolleyes:

Besides, didn't your argument have to do with being able to handle pressure, and not actual talent?

2) I agree. I just don't think it's a forgone conclusion that he can "play" just yet on the MLB level because he's done well in 66 AB's mostly off of pitchers working on problems/weaknesses of their own.Again, no one said it was a 'forgone conclusion.' No one said anything is 'set in stone.' I don't know where you're coming up with this crap, but it certainly wasn't from Gammons' blog or this thread.

The only comments that have resembled 'set in stone' are yours. You think it's a 'forgone conclusion' that he will not be able to play at the major league level next year.

btrain929
11-16-2008, 08:53 PM
Besides, didn't your argument have to do with being able to handle pressure, and not actual talent?

You think it's a 'forgone conclusion' that he will not be able to play at the major league level next year.

1) I'm pretty sure if you're playing in the MLB, to handle pressure, you need talent. How can you handle pressure playing pro ball w/o it?
2) No, I just find it funny that about 2 months ago nobody would have even considered him ready to play with the Sox in '09, but now because of his strong AFL showing, he can step in by June?

I honestly don't even know what we're conflicting about. I think we both feel that Getz/Nix will get the first shot, and the only way Beckham gets his shot is if those 2 suck AND Beckham is tearing it up in the minors. But I'm not gonna expect him to be the savior if he comes up mid-09, and I think some people (not you in particular) are...

Craig Grebeck
11-16-2008, 08:55 PM
1) I'm pretty sure if you're playing in the MLB, to handle pressure, you need talent. How can you handle pressure playing pro ball w/o it?
2) No, I just find it funny that about 2 months ago nobody would have even considered him ready to play with the Sox in '09, but now because of his strong AFL showing, he can step in by June?

I honestly don't even know what we're conflicting about. I think we both feel that Getz/Nix will get the first shot, and the only way Beckham gets his shot is if those 2 suck AND Beckham is tearing it up in the minors. But I'm not gonna expect him to be the savior if he comes up mid-09, and I think some people (not you in particular) are...
Please. Nix and Getz should not be on equal footing. This organization knows Getz, Nix is simply competing for a utility spot.

btrain929
11-16-2008, 08:58 PM
Please. Nix and Getz should not be on equal footing. This organization knows Getz, Nix is simply competing for a utility spot.

A utility guy that only plays 1 position?

Maybe KW doesn't expect Nix to be on equal footing, but felt it would help push Getz and make him THINK there's a competition. He certainly doesn't want to come into spring training just giving Getz the job (ala BA in '06)....

oeo
11-16-2008, 09:04 PM
1) I'm pretty sure if you're playing in the MLB, to handle pressure, you need talent. How can you handle pressure playing pro ball w/o it?

***? :scratch:

I don't even know where you're going anymore. Grasping at straws now.

We're comparing our talent to TB's. I didn't say that our guys had no talent. :?:

2) No, I just find it funny that about 2 months ago nobody would have even considered him ready to play with the Sox in '09, but now because of his strong AFL showing, he can step in by June?Yeah, usually when you show progress (or in Beckham's case: play), things get noticed.

I honestly don't even know what we're conflicting about.Ask yourself. People think it's possible that he might be well ahead of the curve. For whatever reason, you think that's totally out of the realm of possibility. And for someone who has made it well known that you hate all things Daver, you seem to love his rushing prospects theory.

If Beckham is tearing up AA, you want him sitting down there in AA? Even if what we're getting from Getz is "okay", you want Beckham sitting down in Birmingham, playing against competition he's better than?

btrain929
11-16-2008, 09:16 PM
If Beckham is tearing up AA, you want him sitting down there in AA? Even if what we're getting from Getz is "okay", you want Beckham sitting down in Birmingham, playing against competition he's better than?

Show me where I've said that.

I've already said about 3 times in this thread that if Getz sucks and Beckham is tearing it up, absolutely bring him up. But IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I'm not going to hold my breath for that to happen and I'm not expecting that to happen. And if it does happen, I'm not going to expect him to hit .300/.370/.560 or something gaudy like that. Does he have the potential to become that? Absolutely. I just think it's a tad unrealistic to expect such greatness from him so quickly.

NLaloosh
11-17-2008, 11:18 AM
Please. Nix and Getz should not be on equal footing. This organization knows Getz, Nix is simply competing for a utility spot.

It wouldn't surprise me if neither one was on the team come April.

Craig Grebeck
11-17-2008, 11:20 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if neither one was on the team come April.
I'm not really sure what else they'd do with Getz. He's not much in a trade and deserves a spot on the 25 after his tenure in the minors.

khan
11-17-2008, 11:34 AM
If Beckham is tearing up AA, you want him sitting down there in AA? Even if what we're getting from Getz is "okay", you want Beckham sitting down in Birmingham, playing against competition he's better than?

To me, it depends:

First, if the SOX are in the thick of a pennant race, I'd be adverse to throwing the kid to the wolves in such a situation. If the SOX [God forbid] are out of it, I'd be more willing bring him up sooner this year.

Secondly, I'd also look at the complete picture with respect to Beckham, BEYOND his ability to hit at AA and his numbers alone. Meaning, I'd want to be sure that he can field his position adequately. I got sick of seeing this team give up bases and runs by screwing up run-downs. So, I'd want to make sure that he can catch, throw, and make the right decisions. I'd want Beckham to be somewhat comfortable at positions other than his natural position of SS.

I'd like Beckham to develop a strong understanding of the strikezone, and a good sense of patience, if he can. I'd like Beckham to be able to work a count when necessary. I'd like Beckham [and ALL of our prospects] to develop some semblance of situational hitting. To be able to bunt adequately. To be able to go the opposite way in the right situations. To be able to produce with RISP.

I'd also like for Beckham [and for that matter, ALL of the prospects] to be smart, opportunistic baserunners, even if they lack blazing footspeed. I'd like them to be able to take secondary leads. I'd like even our runners of average speed to be able to take advantage of inattentive pitchers and catchers with weak arms [as our opponents often do]. I'd like our prospects to be able to move from 1st to 3rd on a hit, and to score from 2nd on a hit to anywhere other than directly at the opposing LF. I'd like them to make smart decisions on the basepaths.

In sum, if we're in agreement that Beckham is a potential diamond, why not polish all facets of said diamond? Why not take advantage of the opportunity to turn a potentially-"pretty good" player into a good-to-great one? Why not make our own "pirhana"(sp?), but with a higher level of talent?

whitesox901
11-21-2008, 04:32 AM
In sum, if we're in agreement that Beckham is a potential diamond, why not polish all facets of said diamond? Why not take advantage of the opportunity to turn a potentially-"pretty good" player into a good-to-great one? Why not make our own "pirhana"(sp?), but with a higher level of talent?

I like this idea, also btw, when ever I read your posts, I always think of Khan from King of the Hill, and I read your posts in his voice in my head :redneck

NLaloosh
11-21-2008, 11:38 AM
I'm not really sure what else they'd do with Getz. He's not much in a trade and deserves a spot on the 25 after his tenure in the minors.

I still believe that Kenny has intentions on getting a legit 2B, CF and 3B.

3B might be less likely now that he's added Betemit and Viciedo.

But, as far as 2b goes, I think that he could trade or sign a 2B for now. I don't think that Roberts is out of the discussion yet. Getz could end up being traded to a team that's giving up their starter to the Sox or he could end up back at Charlotte or as a utility player. I think that starting at 2B for the Sox is the least likely of the possibilities. Just my opinion. I could be wrong. But, I don't believe that he;s that good or that ready and mostly don't believe that Kenny would start with a DP combo of Ramirez/Getz given the fact that neither has any big league experience at those positions.

CF? Who knows. Anderson could start, backup or be traded. I think it's likely that Kenny adds a vet here to either start or backup with Anderson. I'm ok either way. The only thing that will piss me off is if Jerry Owens is part of any White Sox plan. He's the one guy that I wish would leave the organization. It's nothing personal. I just think that he has little to offer and little upside.

btrain929
11-24-2008, 01:20 AM
Does anybody know why Beckham is done with the AFL? He hasn't played since the 15th, and he's listed as "Reassigned to Minors." He's also taken off of the listed Peoria roster, but everyone else from our system is still there and playing......?

DirtySox
11-24-2008, 01:31 AM
He was removed to make room for Marquez who was on the Javelinas before the Swisher trade.

Also, AFL has ended. The title game was a few days ago I believe.

voodoochile
11-24-2008, 01:32 AM
Does anybody know why Beckham is done with the AFL? He hasn't played since the 15th, and he's listed as "Reassigned to Minors." He's also taken off of the listed Peoria roster, but everyone else from our system is still there and playing......?

Just a guess... He's played a LOT of baseball since last March or even February. His team went to the final game in the College WS, so a long college season, followed by a ridiculously long post season followed by a summer of baseball after being drafted and then straight to the fall leagues. He has excelled at every level and really had nothing more to prove in the AFL. He may have requested some time off so he could enjoy the holidaze and then come back strong for ST in February.

DirtySox
11-24-2008, 10:45 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081124&content_id=3690319&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

More Poreda/Beckham hype in an AFL prospects article.

rustysurf83
11-25-2008, 12:04 AM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081124&content_id=3690319&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

More Poreda/Beckham hype in an AFL prospects article.

From the sounds of that article...I will take Beckham over Getz this year. I really wanted the Sox to go after smoak but, 100 pts higher that Smoak in OPS??? The article says he has limited range (but competent) at short, anyone know how he has looked at 2b? Kid will at least get a chance to compete at ST. The only thing I don't want to happen is he is a backup this year, I would rather he play every day in the minors than waste away on the bench this year. I would like to see Poreda get that change-up worked out so he can come into the rotation rather than taking a relief role this year.

DirtySox
12-11-2008, 12:30 PM
We lost Derek Rodriguez to the Rays in the Rule 5 if anyone was wondering.

btrain929
12-11-2008, 12:41 PM
We lost Derek Rodriguez to the Rays in the Rule 5 if anyone was wondering.

Why the **** wasn't he on the 40 man? Because we had to give a spot to John Van Benscrodum? This is like the guy we lost to the A's Fernando Hernandez last year all over again, except he didn't amount to ****. Why would they send him to the AFL if they didn't intend to keep him on the 40 man? In 14 relief appearances, he only allowed runs in 2 of them....

I know I'm probably making a bigger deal out of it than I should, but I just shutter at the idea of another team snagging one of our players and then doing well, when I know we have a handful of scrubs on our 40 man that didn't deserve Derek's spot.

sox1970
12-11-2008, 12:47 PM
Why the **** wasn't he on the 40 man? Because we had to give a spot to John Van Benscrodum? This is like the guy we lost to the A's Fernando Hernandez last year all over again, except he didn't amount to ****. Why would they send him to the AFL if they didn't intend to keep him on the 40 man?

Van Benschoten isn't on the 40-man. He's a non-roster invitee. Obviously, the Sox have plans for the the remaining 4 spots on their 40-man. Viciedo probably will be one of them.

Sometimes they send guys to the AFL to help make that decision.

Sox also lost Ricardo Nanita (WAS), Robert Valido (BAL), and Jason Rice (BOS) in the AAA phase.

btrain929
12-11-2008, 12:52 PM
Van Benschoten isn't on the 40-man. He's a non-roster invitee. Obviously, the Sox have plans for the the remaining 4 spots on their 40-man. Viciedo probably will be one of them.

Sometimes they send guys to the AFL to help make that decision.

Sox also lost Ricardo Nanita (WAS), Robert Valido (BAL), and Jason Rice (BOS) in the AAA phase.

Got'cha. Well at least those other guys didn't seem like anything special. Did we choose anyone in the AAA phase? I'm refreshing the MLB page, but it's now showing those results yet. The guy we got last year, Santo Luis, did pretty damn well. Off the top of my head, as a reliever, he struck out something like 110 guys in 80 something innings.

sox1970
12-11-2008, 12:56 PM
Did we choose anyone in the AAA phase?

Nope.

DirtySox
12-11-2008, 01:31 PM
Gerry Fraley notes (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8926844/Thursday-MLB-winter-meetings-blog) that everyone passed on White Sox reliever Mike MacDougal.

sox1970
12-11-2008, 01:36 PM
Gerry Fraley notes (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8926844/Thursday-MLB-winter-meetings-blog) that everyone passed on White Sox reliever Mike MacDougal.

Can you blame them?

DirtySox
12-11-2008, 01:36 PM
List of picks for those that are curious:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=1829

champagne030
12-11-2008, 01:42 PM
Why the **** wasn't he on the 40 man? Because we had to give a spot to John Van Benscrodum? This is like the guy we lost to the A's Fernando Hernandez last year all over again, except he didn't amount to ****. Why would they send him to the AFL if they didn't intend to keep him on the 40 man? In 14 relief appearances, he only allowed runs in 2 of them....

I know I'm probably making a bigger deal out of it than I should, but I just shutter at the idea of another team snagging one of our players and then doing well, when I know we have a handful of scrubs on our 40 man that didn't deserve Derek's spot.

I'm guessing D-Rod doesn't stick on the Rays 25 man all year, but I get your point and I would have protected him instead of Jimenez