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Billy Ashley
10-06-2008, 09:22 AM
How do we value those first sackers in the A.L.?


Wrong forum, my bad. Please move Mods.

whitesox901
10-06-2008, 10:03 AM
Mark T, Hands down

jabrch
10-06-2008, 10:25 AM
In the Clubhouse? On the day of a Game 4 series? Who ****ing cares?

Lefty34
10-06-2008, 12:20 PM
Gotta give it to Big Tex, he is just putting up great numbers.

JermaineDye05
10-06-2008, 12:31 PM
it's gotta be Teixeira, he can hit from both sides of the plate and he can play some great defense over at first.

GAsoxfan
10-06-2008, 12:41 PM
To me, it's a close race between Tex, Youkilis, and Cabrera. However, Teixeira's defensive ability makes him the top AL 1B IMO.

On a side note, who do you think is better, Teixeira or Berkman?

PKalltheway
10-06-2008, 01:36 PM
I'd say Teixeira. The Angels would be fools if they didn't try to re-sign him.

GAsoxfan
10-06-2008, 02:05 PM
I'd say Teixeira. The Angels would be fools if they didn't try to re-sign him.

I'm sure they'll try, but it may be tough. The Braves supposedly offered him a 5 year, $100M deal earlier this year and he turned it down. Boras said Tex wants a 10 year deal. Now I know "want" and "get" are usually two different things, but it will be tough to re-sign him.

esbrechtel
10-06-2008, 02:17 PM
I'm sure they'll try, but it may be tough. The Braves supposedly offered him a 5 year, $100M deal earlier this year and he turned it down. Boras said Tex wants a 10 year deal. Now I know "want" and "get" are usually two different things, but it will be tough to re-sign him.


Maybe the Yank$ will float him that contract...

russ99
10-06-2008, 04:31 PM
I hate the Twins, but you have to go with Morneau. He's such a great player. Hopefully he'll be in a slump when he faces the Sox next year...

Eddo144
10-06-2008, 04:52 PM
I hate the Twins, but you have to go with Morneau. He's such a great player. Hopefully he'll be in a slump when he faces the Sox next year...
Why, because he gets so many RBI? You realize if he didn't have Mauer in front of him, getting on base like a machine, his RBI totals would plummet, right?

I voted Youkilis, thought Teixeira's a good choice, too. Morneau is probably the third best, but distinctly behind those two.

doublem23
10-06-2008, 04:54 PM
I voted Youkilis, thought Teixeira's a good choice, too. Morneau is probably the third best, but distinctly behind those two.

:scratch:

You realize if Youkilis wasn't in the Red Sox lineup, his production would plummet, right?

Morneau and Teixeir are the class of 1B in the American League, with Pena and Youkilis after them, but distinctly so.

FedEx227
10-06-2008, 04:56 PM
My ranks would go:

Tex
Morneau
Pena
Youk

Eddo144
10-06-2008, 05:10 PM
:scratch:

You realize if Youkilis wasn't in the Red Sox lineup, his production would plummet, right?

Morneau and Teixeir are the class of 1B in the American League, with Pena and Youkilis after them, but distinctly so.
How so? Are you referring to the effects of Fenway being a doubles park? Then yes, you are right. Are you referring to his extremely high OBP? That's not team-dependent, so if so, you are wrong?

Being on a good team does not automatically make your production go up.

FedEx227
10-06-2008, 05:18 PM
No, but I see what he's saying. If he's on another team he puts up the line of .312/.390/.569, 25 HR, 89 RBI he's certainly not in consideration for best 1B in the league.

However, his inflated RBI numbers make him seem that much more valuable. Call it the Joe Carter effect. He's still an awesome 1B. As you can see I put him in my top 4 in the AL, but he's not the best.

Youk: .312/.390/.569
Tex: .308/.410/.552

Eddo144
10-06-2008, 05:54 PM
No, but I see what he's saying. If he's on another team he puts up the line of .312/.390/.569, 25 HR, 89 RBI he's certainly not in consideration for best 1B in the league.

However, his inflated RBI numbers make him seem that much more valuable. Call it the Joe Carter effect. He's still an awesome 1B. As you can see I put him in my top 4 in the AL, but he's not the best.

Youk: .312/.390/.569
Tex: .308/.410/.552
Good points. If we throw team-dependent stats out, Youkilis is slightly worse than Teixeira (though how many people would have correctly told you Youk outslugged Tex?).

Morneau's slash line: .300/.374/.499. I stand by my statement that he is distinctly below Youkilis and Teixeira.

Billy Ashley
10-06-2008, 05:57 PM
How likely is Youkilis to repeat this season's production? I have no idea. I do think that he's an elite fielder though, so we got to take that into consideration, though the same is true of Tex.

DSpivack
10-06-2008, 06:16 PM
I'd take Miguel Cabrera. He isn't good defensively, but a much better hitter than any others mentioned.

Billy Ashley
10-06-2008, 06:19 PM
I'd take Miguel Cabrera. He isn't good defensively, but a much better hitter than any others mentioned.


The fact that I somehow forgot he moved to 1b says a lot about how dumb I can be at times.... sorry about that. I'd argue you're right about the offense, I might still take Tex though given the glove.

Eddo144
10-06-2008, 06:55 PM
How likely is Youkilis to repeat this season's production? I have no idea. I do think that he's an elite fielder though, so we got to take that into consideration, though the same is true of Tex.
His OBP has been over .380 in the last three years, which are his only three years as a regular. He's already 29 and in the middle of his peak, so he probably won't be on this list in five years, but since his slugging has increased three years in a row, I'd say he'll keep up somewhat similar production for the next two to three years.

Billy Ashley
10-06-2008, 07:00 PM
His OBP has been over .380 in the last three years, which are his only three years as a regular. He's already 29 and in the middle of his peak, so he probably won't be on this list in five years, but since his slugging has increased three years in a row, I'd say he'll keep up somewhat similar production for the next two to three years.

He's certainly a far better player than most people ever projected. I always figured him for a .280/.370/.440 type. A solid third basemen with not much power.

turners56
10-06-2008, 07:50 PM
You Kill Us has a slight edge on Teixeira. Morneau's third.