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kevingrt
10-03-2008, 09:53 AM
With all the hype I hear out of Bristol and this great pitching staff of Tampa Bay (they are a great staff) and this ace they have in Scott Kazmir, I decided to look a the numbers of him recently (starting in mid-August):

Aug 17 @ Texas: 6 IP, 2 ER, 4 BB, 7 K's, 1 HR
Aug 23 @ CWS: 6 IP, 3 ER, 2 BB, 7 K's, 2 HR
Aug 29 vs. Baltimore: 5.3 IP, 0 ER, 3 BB, 6 K's
Sept 4 vs. NY: 6 IP, 0 ER, 5 BB, 7 K's
Sept 9 @ Boston: 6 IP, 2 ER, 3 BB, 4 K's, 1 HR
Sept 15 vs. Boston: 6 IP, 9 ER, 4 BB, 2 K's, 4 HR
Sept 20 vs. Minnesota: 6 IP, 0 ER, 1 BB, 5 K's
Sept 25 @ Detroit: 5 IP, 4 ER, 2 BB, 8 K's, 4 HR

This looks like a solid pitcher but anything from an ace. He's had great games and bad games recently but has never gotten past the 7th inning of work. And look at some of those HR numbers. I feel we can get to this guy. He has given up 23 HR this year. The only thing that scares me is he has been solid at home all year with a 2.90 ERA. The only real bad game he pitched at home was versus Boston in September.

Hopefully, our bats can wake up from this long Sept./Oct. swoon and hit the baseball today. I mean Kazmir is not unhittable. He has good stuff but if we are patient at the plate and get some guys on you never know.

And we have #56 on the mound today.

downstairs
10-03-2008, 10:22 AM
That, and pressure does strange things to many pitchers. Look at Zambrano last night.

Its one game. Yes, we can just as easily tag him for 9 runs in the first as we could be no-hit.

That's why they play 'em.

SOXPHILE
10-03-2008, 10:24 AM
To me, all those stats go out the window once the playoffs come. Just win. That's it. I would very much like to see the offense do something more than be quiet for a couple of innings, hit a homerun or two, then shut it down for the rest of the game.

A.T. Money
10-03-2008, 10:27 AM
We will see.

We still have to go out there and pitch too.

hillbilly
10-03-2008, 10:32 AM
He hasn't pitched more than 6 innings in an outing since July 21st and that was against the offensively challenged Athletics. He also posted a 5.18 era in September.

I agree that you can throw things out when the playoffs start. But you have to admit that there's a good chance he didn't have his best stuff at the end of the season and could be wearing down.

I like our odds.

Iwritecode
10-03-2008, 10:38 AM
With all the hype I hear out of Bristol and this great pitching staff of Tampa Bay (they are a great staff) and this ace they have in Scott Kazmir, I decided to look a the numbers of him recently (starting in mid-August):

Aug 17 @ Texas: 6 IP, 2 ER, 4 BB, 7 K's, 1 HR
Aug 23 @ CWS: 6 IP, 3 ER, 2 BB, 7 K's, 2 HR
Aug 29 vs. Baltimore: 5.3 IP, 0 ER, 3 BB, 6 K's
Sept 4 vs. NY: 6 IP, 0 ER, 5 BB, 7 K's
Sept 9 @ Boston: 6 IP, 2 ER, 3 BB, 4 K's, 1 HR
Sept 15 vs. Boston: 6 IP, 9 ER, 4 BB, 2 K's, 4 HR
Sept 20 vs. Minnesota: 6 IP, 0 ER, 1 BB, 5 K's
Sept 25 @ Detroit: 5 IP, 4 ER, 2 BB, 8 K's, 4 HR

This looks like a solid pitcher but anything from an ace. He's had great games and bad games recently but has never gotten past the 7th inning of work. And look at some of those HR numbers. I feel we can get to this guy. He has given up 23 HR this year. The only thing that scares me is he has been solid at home all year with a 2.90 ERA. The only real bad game he pitched at home was versus Boston in September.

Hopefully, our bats can wake up from this long Sept./Oct. swoon and hit the baseball today. I mean Kazmir is not unhittable. He has good stuff but if we are patient at the plate and get some guys on you never know.

And we have #56 on the mound today.

It looks to me like he's a strikeout type pitcher who's going to give up a lot of hits and throw a lot of pitches but not give up many runs. Not all that much different that Danks.

He's not exactly a #1 starter but definitely a solid 3 or 4. He needs a good bullpen and defense behind him which obviously Tampa has.

rustysurf83
10-03-2008, 10:39 AM
Looking at those numbers I would expect the offense to put up at least 3 runs which may be enough for Mark. I think his "stud" status is inflated by the shutout performances against Minnesota, Baltimore, and NYY that are all sitting their asses at home right now and IMO have weaker offenses than we do. The only fact that is disconcerning is that those three are all home games, in that stretch, Boston was his only weak home performance. As previously mentioned however, this is the playoffs so who the **** knows?:redneck Back up the ****ing truck I think we get a White Sox Winner today!

DumpJerry
10-03-2008, 10:48 AM
That, and pressure does strange things to many pitchers. Look at Zambrano last night.

Its one game. Yes, we can just as easily tag him for 9 runs in the first as we could be no-hit.

That's why they play 'em.
Zambozo is not the reason why they lost last night. It was the alleged fielding and the absent hitting that did them in.

StepsInSC
10-03-2008, 11:15 AM
He's got stud-stuff no doubt. He just throws too many pitches and has trouble not getting lit up in the 6th inning. What's scary, not necessarily for purposes of this year or tonight's game, is that he's still only 24.

CubKilla
10-03-2008, 11:20 AM
Kazmir is a stud. If he ever cuts down on the BB's, he'll move into the elite.

Sox need to get on Kazmir early. Kazmir's had their number for the most part.

seventyseven
10-03-2008, 11:37 AM
Zambozo is not the reason why they lost last night. It was the alleged fielding and the absent hitting that did them in.

He didn't exactly help himself in the 2nd however, going 3-1 on Martin before serving up a laser in the LF gap. If that ball gets elevated, it's on to Montrose.

EuroSox35
10-03-2008, 09:09 PM
You forgot one thing:

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/2974.jpg

kitekrazy
10-03-2008, 10:29 PM
You forgot one thing:

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/2974.jpg
:rolling:

That made my day.

BadBobbyJenks
10-03-2008, 10:37 PM
Kazmir's line to start the season:

Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV IP ERA
Jun 27 @ PIT W 10-5 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AgdNEAcjJZzWBvzdesQRweqFCLcF?gid=280 627123) W 5.0 5 4 3 1 2 4 7 3 0 67.0 2.28
Jun 22 HOU L 2-3 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=Ajm7r1ZGofVMI9KO5ENFlpGFCLcF?gid=280 622130) L 5.2 4 3 3 2 2 7 6 3 0 62.0 2.03
Jun 17 CHC W 3-2 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AnLHFp37JKTUL2.NJWwaUn.FCLcF?gid=280 617130) - 4.2 3 1 1 0 4 7 6 2 0 56.1 1.76
Jun 11 @ LAA L 2-4 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AhxW1K2v7jWPJTr704WJVrWFCLcF?gid=280 611103) L 6.2 6 3 3 1 3 10 6 2 0 51.2 1.74
Jun 6 @ TEX W 12-4 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=Au09161VoRSI3WH5jbjktU6FCLcF?gid=280 606113) W 8.0 6 2 2 1 0 6 6 1 0 45.0 1.40
May 31 CHW W 2-0 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AjOxl7gxdCCp2whqzcbV19OFCLcF?gid=280 531130) W 7.0 3 0 0 0 3 6 5 1 0 37.0 1.22
May 26 TEX W 7-3 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=Alv.gjhAv24V52HG.CC1n2SFCLcF?gid=280 526130) W 7.0 3 1 1 0 0 10 4 1 0 30.0 1.50
May 20 @ OAK W 3-2 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AijwsVrTCwFgKYKX3EU1BtmFCLcF?gid=280 520111) W 7.0 4 1 1 0 1 8 3 1 0 23.0 1.57
May 15 NYY W 5-2 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AiUbtRqe33B.CqMyxpMDkvqFCLcF?gid=280 515130) W 6.0 3 0 0 0 3 3 2 1 0 16.0 1.69
May 10 LAA W 2-0 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AjYssO4RMTYFxJVXc3PiMWCFCLcF?gid=280 510130) W 6.0 3 0 0 0 3 6 1 1 0 10.0 2.70
May 4 @ BOS L 3-7 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AoQgNXpLi1DKqI8ROMZW_gGFCLcF?gid=280 504102) L 4.0 6 4 3 0 3 5 0 1 0 4.0 6.75


He is a stud, but we has our chance tonight.